From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #303 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Sunday, August 16 1998 Volume 03 : Number 303 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni on stage [Wally Breese ] Wally Gets the Credit! [mann@chicagonet.net] FREE JONI MUSIC!! [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: SJC:DIG (DAY IN THE GARDEN)& 2 cents on Boy George [Helen Gill ] RE: (NJC) oops! cheesy songs [Michael Yarbrough ] Infoseek.com [Michael Paz ] web broadcast [Tunajon@aol.com] Re: web broadcast [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] (SJC)S.F. aka Tamalpais high (at about 3) [rkbjf ] Joni At The Garden [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Joni At The Garden [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] Re: Joni At The Garden [Marsha ] Re: Joni At The Garden [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Joni At The Garden [Michael Heath ] Re: Joni At The Garden [Julie Blau ] RE: Joni At The Garden [Michael Yarbrough ] Joni live NOW! [rkbjf ] Infoseek [MP123A321@aol.com] oh my god...... [Tunajon@aol.com] Joni's "Day In The Garden" [Wally Breese ] CyberWoodstock [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Joni At The Garden [BH1248@aol.com] Back To the Garden [Mark or Travis ] Re: Joni's "Day In The Garden" [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Joni At The Garden ["Ken (Slarty)" ] Joni's Vocal Performance [Michael Yarbrough ] PROUD of the JMDL [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] Re: Back To the Garden [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] RE: Joni At The Garden [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: Joni's Vocal Performance [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] Re: Joni At The Garden ["Ken (Slarty)" ] Re: JMDL Digest V3 #301 - Lisa Stansfield ["Nixon" ] thank you / garden concert [Alan Poff ] Re: Joni's Vocal Performance [Scott and Jody ] Re: PROUD of the JMDL ["Kakki" ] The Garden: We were there! [Chilihead2@aol.com] Day In The Garden [Leslie Mixon ] Queen Of Song [FLUMP666@aol.com] Re: joni web broadcast (does that get your attention?) [Diana Duncan Subject: Joni on stage Hi everybody, I've heard that Joni's set is now scheduled to begin at 4PM EST. The shift from 3PM is probably because of the fact that both Donovan and Melanie were added after the original schedule was announced. This concert is gonna be great! Later, Wally The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 07:31:45 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Wally Gets the Credit! This was great to see! Go to: http://concert.infoseek.com/jmitchell.html Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 07:59:32 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: FREE JONI MUSIC!! If you don't like "freebies" then don't read this. Hi all, I thought this would be of interest to all of you. Go and get a free JONI cd or cassette anywhere on their site using this free $10 disney gift certificate (of course you can get Carly, Liz, James, CSN or something for the kids, too!) A couple of the Joni cassette's are under $7 > > http://www.musicblvd.com/disney10 > > http://www.musicblvd.com/cooloffers/ > > http://www.webstakes.com/cgi-bin/wsgo/wsgo.cgi?79|13 > > Here are the URLs to get the $23 in Music Boulevard Gift Certificates. > > Make sure you have the sign in screen for each URL for it to be put in > your file. > The way I did it was to sign up under the first URL, select a choice to > buy and take it to your 'cart'. Put a check in delete and it will take > it out of your cart but keep the credit in your account. Close your > browser and wait a while so you can sign in again with the next URL. Do > this until you have the full $23 dollars in your account. It might take > over night for it to clear your sign in so that you are able to sign in > again with your password to take the next amount of money. > >Happy Shopping! Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 23:53:15 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: Re: SJC:DIG (DAY IN THE GARDEN)& 2 cents on Boy George boy george's female vocalist....I don't suppose that was Helen Terry was it ? of "TommY" fame....or maybe Helen Gill. nah, not her! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 09:02:18 -0500 From: rkbjf Subject: RE: oops! cheesy songs I wrote that: <<>> When i meant to say he was the best *MALE* blue-eyed soul singer I've ever heard. My apologies to Dusty Springfield, Annie Lennox, and Lisa Stansfield. - - --Michael And you'd better get right down on your knees and beg for Van Morrison's forgivness! ;-) Possibly the best soul singer ever, blue-eyed or not! "rough boys! I want to fight and kiss you" from the bi-sexual pen of Pete Townshend (that's right, just his pen is bi-sexual) He is also credited with a statement that went something like "sometimes at night, I like to be called Phyllis". Brad ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 10:21:49 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: (NJC) oops! cheesy songs Brad wrote: <<>> To which I have a one-word reply: ARETHA!!!!!!!! Who's begging for forgiveness now? - --Michael, who (gasp) is not enthralled with Van the Man NP: Pet Shop Boys, "Somewhere" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:17:41 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Infoseek.com Hello All- Well I've virtually made it to the garden. I saw and heard quite a bit of Donavan, but net congestion is keeping me in the dark alot of the time. Hoping it's better when Joan hits the stage. Desperatly seeking jmdlers in the crowd, Michael NP-An Interview ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:01:23 EDT From: Tunajon@aol.com Subject: web broadcast hi, did a direct comparison of real audio G2 and windows media, and have to say that windows media has better audio and video than the real audio products. granted, it's far from ideal, but better, and well worth the 30 minutes to download pre-joni. Just my 2 cents worth. ENjOY! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 98 17:20:09 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Re: web broadcast Hey TJ, Did the same, and fully agree! Windows Media Player has clearer, crisper sound, and as Kakki observed, the images seem to be more in synch. Oh, and yeah, you *caught* me...despite my tirade on primitive and inferior technology yesterday, I've been watching/listening since 10am (as you guessed), it sure is better than NOTHING! But now that I've concluded that it won't be broadcast on TV, I am busy with the radio dial seeing if there is perhaps an FM simulcast...but that too is looking bleak, so it looks like I'm stuck with the PC :-( Still, can't wait for Joni!!! -Kenny On 8/15/98 1:01PM, Tunajon@aol.com wrote: hi, did a direct comparison of real audio G2 and windows media, and have to say that windows media has better audio and video than the real audio products. granted, it's far from ideal, but better, and well worth the 30 minutes to download pre-joni. Just my 2 cents worth. ENjOY! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 12:55:41 -0500 From: rkbjf Subject: (SJC)S.F. aka Tamalpais high (at about 3) Hi all!, I'll get the JC out of the way at the top so you can move on if you so desire. I of course had to find the store where all the vinyl is. A place on the Haight called Amoeba records. Pretty overwhelming. I always knew that Nazereth had covered Joni's "This Flight Tonight", but I was thus far able to avoid it. Well, I couldn't resist the stereo/mono promo 45 of it, so I brought it home, along with about $250.00 worth of other vinyl. Went kinda nuts! A nice Dylan boot, a rainbow Capitol, pristine 1st press copy of "Music From Big Pink", about 60 45's. The Nazareth 45 is every bit as horrifying as I expected it to be. (bad)Heavy metal Joni. Imagine it if you dare. Now on the other hand, a good band could have rocked the shit out of that song. This version isn't it! We drove to the top of Mount Tamalpais and burned one for Joni and The Cros. Sadly, it wasn't "at about 3". It was actually about 11 P.M. and the views were astonishing! end JC. A bit about S.F. San Francisco and New York. What a fabulous set of mis-matched jewells! The bookends of a country. The 1st time I went to New York, I knew my way around Manhatten by studying a map during a two hour plane ride. After 4 days , I started to feel comfortable getting around S.F. A much more intimidating city. The terrain, the layout. Absolutely breath taking! No offense to New Yorkers, a city that thills me no end, But I'm here to tell you, San Francisco is IT! The temperature can actually make noticeable changes from block to block. No kidding. It amazed me. The weather report would say that the high temp for the day would be between 65 and 80 degrees, and I'm thinkin' what, can't they narrow it down to any less than a 15 degree spread. And the answer is no. In one neighborhood it would be 65 degrees. No more than a 20 minute drive later, suddenly it's 80. There is nothing like a drive north from S.F. on the El Camino Real aka The Kings Highway (thanks Chris) aka Highway 1. This was something I was pretty sure I wanted to do, but then when we met JMDL Darice for dinner in Sausalito (hi Darice) she informed me that Stinson Beach (up the north coast) is where they scattered Janis Joplin's ashes, so the race was on! I am now the proud owner of a airline size bottle of Jack Daniels, filled with Stinson Beach sand! A fitting tribute to Janis, I think. I could have never done it without you, Darice! Thank you! I also got a nice shot of me in a cell at Alcatraz! I look like I belong! And you know, there may be more. All in all, a wonderful trip. I highly recommend San Francisco to one and all !!!! Brad - NP; minutes away from Joni at A Day At The Garden ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 14:58:58 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Joni At The Garden Is anyone online waiting for Joni?? Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 98 19:06:17 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Re: Joni At The Garden Hey Terry, I'm here, waiting with baited breath!!! -Kenny On 8/15/98 2:58PM, TerryM2442@aol.com wrote: Is anyone online waiting for Joni?? Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 15:34:27 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: Joni At The Garden Kenny Grant wrote: > > Hey Terry, > > I'm here, waiting with baited breath!!! > > -Kenny > > On 8/15/98 2:58PM, TerryM2442@aol.com wrote: > > Is anyone online waiting for Joni?? Me, three! Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 14:52:18 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni At The Garden >Kenny Grant wrote: >> >> Hey Terry, >> >> I'm here, waiting with baited breath!!! >> >> -Kenny >> >> On 8/15/98 2:58PM, TerryM2442@aol.com wrote: >> >> Is anyone online waiting for Joni?? > >Me, three! > >Marsha Me four! _____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |___________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 12:56:11 -0700 From: Michael Heath Subject: Re: Joni At The Garden me 5 Mark Domyancich wrote: > >Kenny Grant wrote: > >> > >> Hey Terry, > >> > >> I'm here, waiting with baited breath!!! > >> > >> -Kenny > >> > >> On 8/15/98 2:58PM, TerryM2442@aol.com wrote: > >> > >> Is anyone online waiting for Joni?? > > > >Me, three! > > > >Marsha > > Me four! > > _____________________________ > | Mark Domyancich | > | Harpua@revealed.net | > | home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | > |___________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:03:11 -0700 From: Julie Blau Subject: Re: Joni At The Garden Count me in! Julie Michael Heath wrote: > me 5 > > Mark Domyancich wrote: > > > >Kenny Grant wrote: > > >> > > >> Hey Terry, > > >> > > >> I'm here, waiting with baited breath!!! > > >> > > >> -Kenny > > >> > > >> On 8/15/98 2:58PM, TerryM2442@aol.com wrote: > > >> > > >> Is anyone online waiting for Joni?? > > > > > >Me, three! > > > > > >Marsha > > > > Me four! > > > > _____________________________ > > | Mark Domyancich | > > | Harpua@revealed.net | > > | home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | > > |___________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 16:34:04 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Joni At The Garden I guess I'm 7. - --Michael NP: Facelift ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 15:39:18 -0500 From: rkbjf Subject: Joni live NOW! Watching Joni come on, and open with 'Hejira', I had to fight tears watching a 2 1/2" by 1 1/2" screen, with bad audio, on my computer . There is NO way my eyes will stay dry when I see her again on the (still hoping) Autumn world tour. Come on Joni, get out there where we all can see you. Brad NP: - Joni singing 'Summertime' live at A Day In The Garden ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 17:22:50 EDT From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: Infoseek After playing with realplayer forever and frustrated beyond belief, I switched to just audio and a much better signal came in. FYI. What a show! Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 17:38:14 EDT From: Tunajon@aol.com Subject: oh my god...... WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! randow thoughts: great horn player decent audio quality joni's the most beautiful woman in the world!!!! JMDL banner just before just like this train was great I cried I'm a sap......... she's gotta tour! fantastic set! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 98 14:46:29 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: Joni's "Day In The Garden" Hi everybody, The marvelous Melanie and Donovan, who were two of my favorite hippie singer-songwriters in the late 60's and early 70's, both played hour long sets. I know and love Donovan for his hit songs and Melanie has a special place in my heart because I bought every single album she released up through the 1980's. Richie Havens played a 75 minute set of old favorites and newer material. He saved "Here Comes The Sun" and "Handsome Johnny" for late in his set and the 1969 show stopper "Freedom" came after Richie's guitarist played a tribute to Jimi Hendrix with a blistering version of "The Star Spangled Banner." Richie played guest-host on Woodstock.com once again, and Donovan also visited and reminisced on many subjects including meeting Joni in the late 1960's. He commented on how prolific a songwriter she was and said that in those days she had a large number of self-penned songs in her reportoire which was in contrast to most singer-songwriters of the time who had 7 songs of their own and 3 songs that they sang by other writers. Joey Ramone showed up to join the RadioWoodstock.com group in the studio. He's scheduled to guest-host tomorrow during Modern Rock day when the stage will be filled with younger musicians such as Third Eye Blind, Dishwalla, Goo Goo Dolls, Joan Osborne, etc. Lou Reed came on stage at 2:10PM EST, opening his set with "Sweet Jane" and following that with a 100 minute set that included selections from all phases of his career including "Satellite of Love," "Dirty Boulevard" and "Set the Twilight Reeling." Richie returned to RadioWoodstock.com, having changed out of his sweaty clothes. He talked about Joni and how he and Joni and David Crosby had sat around in the 1960's making up alternate tunings. He said that Joni has certainly gotten the most value and use out of them. Joni began her set at 4:20PM EST by shouting out "It took me 30 years to get here," followed by the strains of "Hejira" rolling out over the crowd which had swelled to 20,000. Her 15 song set featured many surprises, including the standards "Summertime" and "Comes Love," Marvin Gaye's classic "Trouble Man" and her new composition "No Apologies." THE BAND (Mark Isham on trumpet) (Brian Blade on drums) (Greg Liesz on pedal steel guitar) (Larry Klein on bass) (Joni Mitchell on vocals and VG-8 guitar) Hejira Comes Love Happiness is the Best Face Lift Summertime The Crazy Cries of Love No Apologies Sex Kills (Story of) The Magdalene Laundries Black Crow Moon at the Window Slouching Towards Bethlehem Just Like This Train Big Yellow Taxi Trouble Man Woodstock Joni sounded fantastic. She was in good voice, well rehearsed, empassioned and obviously involved with her performance, and reactive to the crowd of her enthusiastic fans. She should have played longer. My report on Pete Townshend's performance will be sent on later... Later, Wally The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 17:41:05 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: CyberWoodstock Who would have thought. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 17:44:17 EDT From: BH1248@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni At The Garden I just watched it all, thanks to my technical adviser, Terry! Kenny is right though; quality stinks but it's better than not having it at all. A couple of surprises in the set list which is always welcome. I still think a couple of piano tunes need to be included in her sets, dammit! :) Kingpin (with charm to sway) NP: Radiohead, "OK Computer" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 14:45:17 -0700 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Back To the Garden Well it was rough but I just listened to most of and saw a tiny bit of Joni at the Garden. I'm really envious of the people who got to see and hear it live. It's sounds like they were giving Joni great support! Way to go, JMDLers! What I could hear of 'Summertime' sounded awesome! Joni is developing into quite the jazz singer! 'Comes Love' was great too and she sure sounded soulful on 'Trouble Man'. What was the song after 'Crazy Cries of Love'? Is it from TTT? Something about the general gave no apology. Anyway, even though my connection kept cutting out and not much video made it through, it was great to get a taste of the show as it was happening. Long live Siquomb! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 16:48:22 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni's "Day In The Garden" > Joni began her set at 4:20PM EST Just by chance? :) _____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |___________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 17:55:27 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Re: Joni At The Garden Was that something else or what.! Even with the dinky little video and the so so sound I was blown away. As the original Woodstock was an historic event I think this was also very important because of the live video and audio over the web. Something akin to when the Beatles did the first live world wide satellite broadcast where they sang All you Need Is Love. Loved "Nothing can be done" (if that's what it's called) it gave Joni a real opportunity to show what she still can do with her voice and she looked like she was having a great time. The big poster from the JMDL with the big heart showed up fine though unfortunately I couldn't make out any faces. And boy the crowd was really with her from what I could hear. Ken S. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 17:59:35 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: Joni's Vocal Performance was the highlight of the show, from what I could virtually tell. "Comes Love," "Magdalene Laundries," and "Slouching Towards Bethelehem" sounded like the highlights to me. I have never heard her voice so well-colored, so emotive. And that was with streaming audio. Can't wait to hear the t*pe tr*e. - --Michael NP: Joni Mitchell, "Harlem in Havana" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 98 22:02:48 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: PROUD of the JMDL Well the crowd at the Garden was HOWLING!!! How loud? REALLY LOUD! I'm proud of the JMDLRs who attended the concert live (the CHEERING section), who were LOUDER than the fans of any other artist so far! Thanks, guys and girls, and thanks JONI (and band) for a great set and stupendous sound (despite the technical shortcomings of a webcast.) -Kenny hoping for a re-broadcast on television! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 98 22:06:49 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Re: Back To the Garden Hey Mark, It's called "No Apologies" -- lyrics are on Wally's page! :-) -Kenny On 8/15/98 5:45PM, Mark or Travis wrote: What was the song after 'Crazy Cries of Love'? Is it from TTT? Something about the general gave no apology. Long live Siquomb! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:05:55 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Joni At The Garden Ken Slarty wrote: <<>> Just to clarify, many, many concerts have already been web- broadcast, including this year's Tibetan Freedom Concert. This was not a first, though it certainly was great. - --Michael NP: Joni Mitchell, "Man from Mars" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 98 22:10:10 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Re: Joni's Vocal Performance Hey Michael, I agree 100% -- her voice was in top form!!!! Can't wait to hear the show with REAL technology (tape or TV), I missed Summertime cause Windows Media Player crapped out....why couldn't that happen during Sex Kills! :-) -Kenny On 8/15/98 5:59PM, Michael Yarbrough wrote: was the highlight of the show, from what I could virtually tell. "Comes Love," "Magdalene Laundries," and "Slouching Towards Bethelehem" sounded like the highlights to me. I have never heard her voice so well-colored, so emotive. And that was with streaming audio. Can't wait to hear the t*pe tr*e. --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:28:35 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Re: Joni At The Garden > Just to clarify, many, many concerts have already been web- > broadcast, including this year's Tibetan Freedom Concert. This > was not a first, though it certainly was great. > Ok I'll try to relax. I guess it's just because it's the first concert that I've listened to on the web. Listening again to Comes Love I find she put more of a Billie Holiday twist to it than she did on Summer Time. I've got to agree with Micheal on the highlights. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 03:19:22 +0200 From: "Nixon" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #301 - Lisa Stansfield >> When i meant to say he was the best *MALE* blue-eyed soul singer I've ever heard. My apologies to Dusty Springfield, Annie Lennox, and Lisa Stansfield. - - --Michael> I think that Lisa Stansfield is probably the best all-round singer of our time, (not just soul) but sadly she doesn't know it yet. Until a couple of months ago, I would have placed her as the second best singer in the world that I know of - that was before Sinatra died. He was the greatest. Obviously I'm not putting Joni down here - You need to understand I'm making a distinction between an artist/singer/songwriter like Joni, (and she is one of the best if not THE best and most charismatic, alongside say, Kate Bush or Stevie Wonder) and a pure and simple SINGER like Sinatra. There are also Performance Artists who are a different category again, such as Madonna, Prince, Judy Garland, Fred Astaire, Liza Minelli, Grace Jones. These are people who bring something else to the art of music, such as stage performance, dance, or vigorously alluring iconic self-promotion. But Frank Sinatra was a singer. An interpreter. He could sing songs. He got INSIDE the words and turned them inside out for us, so the listener could feast on the meaning of each syllable of every lyric. Joni also does this, but then, it's easier for her as she wrote the stuff in the first place. But Sinatra just sang other people's stuff. Even if his interpretation was different from the initial one the writer perhaps intended (say on Sinatra and Basie's swing version of Stevie Wonder's 'You are the sunshine of my life'), Frank still does a great job, and introduces another element that marks out a real singer from the rest - the fun element. It's immediately apparant from any Sinatra recording that the man is having a great time singing it. Lisa Stansfield also has this gift. She gets into the lyric, you can hear the thrill in her voice, and she inmparts that thrill to the listener. She is UP THERE on a cloud in the lyrics. Put the headphones on, listen, and you'll see what I mean. Lisa's problem is that she can't find the right material. She does good work with middle of the road soul and dance music, but hasn't found her niche yet. But she's young. Frank had the same problem for a while. He was a big pop singer in the early 1940s, singing anything they could throw at him. But after the war he was practically on the skids, forgotten. It was nearly a decade before he came back again, age 40, with a new sound, a terrific sound. On these cool and bouncy 50's Nelson Riddle and Count Basie arrangements, Sinatra finally established himself as THE singer of our century. The talent had always been there, and so had much of the material (much of Frank's 50's catalogue was recycled 30's and 40's songs). But the key was the arrangements and the maturity of Sinatra's delivery. Now he's gone, and I'm tellin' ya, there's mighty few singers out there who can follow his act. Lisa Stansfield probably. Maybe George Michael (he tries hard, but he's really only a warbler). Roger Daltrey springs to mind, but he's perhaps past it, or past caring. Morrison's dead. Aretha Franklin can cut the mustard. So can Stevie Nicks, but both those ladies are too entrenched in their own musical heritage and milieu to break out in the foreseeable future. Carol King had it of course. She was GOOD. "Your so faaarrrrrrrrrr away!" BTW where the heck is she now? Moma Cass Elliot, yep, she had the gift. Even Frank's daughter Nancy had it, and it's a crime that woman hasn't recorded anything since the sixties worth mentioning. Her voice was weak but she could interpret just fine, although not consistently. Joe Jackson can interpret to break your heart, but his voice sounds horrible. James Brown, though his repertoire is too limited, even though he can carry a song like nobody else. Donald Fagen, though that sharp New Jersey accent doesn't travel well transatlantic. Celine Dion? - don't make me laugh. She's just another warbler. I could do that. You could do it. Anybody could. But I'm talking about SINGING here. INTERPRETATION. Mariah Carey? Another warbler. Good for TV commercials, nothing else. Mick Hucknall's a pratt who takes himself too seriously, and for that reason one can never warm to his singing. Sting's found a nice formula - teddy-bear toy-boy of cool to all the British new-age divorcees, but consequently he's lost his sting, even though he thinks he still has it. I think he lost it somewhere in the rain forest... It's a pity because he had such promise before he sold out. (by the way, I only have one Lisa Stansfield record (a single), so I'm not plugging her as a big fan. That won't happen until she finds her style, and that day may never come. I'm talking about SINGERS here in this posting remember. But give Lisa a listen. If you don't like the dance and disco she sings to, put her through a graphic equaliser, turn all the bass down, fade out the drums, just leave her voice there and listen. You'll see what I'm talking about. Or rather you'll hear it. And you won't hear it in many other places... IMHO, Tube ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:10:43 -0500 From: Alan Poff Subject: thank you / garden concert I just joined this discussion group last week. After my first post last week I received, literally, dozens of welcome letters from people all over the place. Thank you, this is really a warm, caring, and interesting group of people. I guess it shouldn't surprise me, considering the shared interest that brings us be interested in each other's thoughts in the first place. What a wonderful use of technology this is. And speaking of appropriate uses of technology... in this case a counter-example; I just finished watching and listening to the Webcast of Joni at the garden (is she one of the most beautiful souls on this planet, or what?), and while I have to agree with Wally that "It's certainly better than seeing or hearing nothing," I am definitely with Kenny and gdave in my lack of respect for this technology. When I think of all the gigabytes of bandwidth that are being wasted, pushing 100 channels of SHIT to everyone on the local TV cable, while the one media event I'm interested in is only available over my modem... sigh... when is someone going to offer a combined TV/web service based on pull technology? You could still channel surf; just scan the available programming; and the quality and speed would be mind blowing! Oh well, someday... Since the cable TV people are making lots-o-money now, it probably won't happen until enough people have direct access to fiber. (Still, if any of you are rich media execs; there's a business opportunity there! Most families currently pay over $100 a month for phone + TV + web access, when it's all just bandwidth and access to programming.) Has anyone heard of any plans for a later TV broadcast of the garden concert? To those of you at the garden right this very moment: I am so very envious. (in a "happy for you but wish I was there" sort of way..). Enjoy! Alan NP: Natalie Merchant, "Ophelia" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:20:22 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: Joni's Vocal Performance I agree 100% -- her voice was in top form!!!! Can't wait to hear the show with REAL technology (tape or TV), I missed Summertime cause Windows Media Player crapped out....why couldn't that happen during Sex Kills! :-) -Kenny > I agree 100% -- her voice was in top form!!!! > > Can't wait to hear the show with REAL technology (tape or TV), I missed > Summertime cause Windows Media Player crapped out....why couldn't that happen > during Sex Kills! > > :-) > > -Kenny > What a show! I had to reboot during "Slouching.." and wasn't able to gain access after that. Damn it ! I found out what I had missed. I did notice how Joni strategically planned her set around her smokes. Unfortunately I'm a smoker and notice these things. "Hejira"-guitar in hand, "Comes Love"-cig in hand, "Happiness -Guitar in hand, "Summertime"- smoke in hand. I only bring this up since we've discussed Joni's smoking plus this is my 4th day without and I'm feeling somewhat crazy. jody ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 16:34:04 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: PROUD of the JMDL > I'm proud of the JMDLRs who attended the concert live (the CHEERING section), > who were LOUDER than the fans of any other artist so far! I had to be away and miss the concert - got in the door as Joni was ending (big boo hoo) but it was so wonderful to read everyone's reactions and to hear that the JMDL Big Heart banner was prominently displayed. This morning I caught a little of Donovan and could swear I saw a close up of Lori Fye rocking in the crowd wearing a flower head wreath! What a day! Can't wait to hear her do "Summertime" on the next tree! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 21:50:22 EDT From: Chilihead2@aol.com Subject: The Garden: We were there! Hi List! What a time! What a day in Joni history! My wife, Debbie and I, met some of our fellow JMDLers for the first time today at Yasgur's farm. Joni finally got there and so did we. Let's just say JONI WAS SULTRY, SIZZLING AND THE DIVA AND GODDESS WE KNOW HER TO BE. ( Took some notes, I will be collaborating with Sue to get an article out for the home page.) By the way if any of you gardeners picked up a green and tan cotton jacket that you don't remember bringing, can you send it my way? We had an impromptu official jmdler guest book, but if you were there today, can you send me your name and address. I will send you a special bookmark to commemorate our day! Special thanks to Don and Gene for their hospitality and after concert RV reception! Also, to the great lady who made the tags we wore (sorry I don't remember your name, but I sure remember you!) Too Blissed out to write anymore. Love you guyz! Thanks for a wonderful day. - -Brian(Chilihead) :-) and Debbie Mansfield (Mrs. Chilihead) :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 20:02:25 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Day In The Garden What joy! Joni was in terrific voice, looking ravishing and appearing to be having a blast. Great set list too... Here's my dream Fall Joni tour - Dr. John is the opener, and they perform lots of cool tunes from the 1940-50s. Dream on dreamer. Pete Townsend is one of the few musicians who could actually follow Joni. Feeling half a million strong. Leslie Leslie Mixon http://www.cruzio.com/~stevem ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 23:10:17 EDT From: FLUMP666@aol.com Subject: Queen Of Song Hi fellow Joni darlings! It`s great to join JMDL being a Joni freak and putting up with ridicule for 14 years. Has anyone else experienced this? I just missed the broadcast earlier (boo hoo) but loved reading about it. Listening to the new stuff on the real audio radio interview I was paralysed, in tears, humbled, emotionally alchemized. There`s still no-one to touch her on the planet (and I`ve been around). Joni For Earth Embassador! Damian flump666@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 23:14:38 -0500 From: Diana Duncan Subject: Re: joni web broadcast (does that get your attention?) At 12:39 PM 8/14/1998 -0700, you wrote: >(grrrr). Can someone please tell me if the broadcast will be archived for >replay later? >Kakki I missed most of it too (moving my daughter into her new home) After catching the last song and having it cut out on me twice, I don't know if it will be worth listening to if it's archived. You that have listened to other concerts on the web, was this normal? Diana, back to just me and my cats. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 00:15:29 EDT From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: thank you thank you thank you thank you for the immediacy and emotions of your post- i'm just about in tears. I WANT TO HEAR SUMMERTIME!!!! no real audio no streaming anything- just me doug ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 00:18:33 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Birthday Greetings and other delights A big HAPPY BIRTHDAY! to our Kakki today. Ah, but she was so much older then, She's younger than that now... Congrats to all who attended and schmoozed at the Garden. We will eagerly await photos. Marsh, ready to hop a plan to the next full-length Joni show, under $5,000 admission like Chicago ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 23:27:44 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: By the time we got to Woodstock... Hello All- Just had to send a note before going to bed. The show today was incredible and the system almost behaved its self. I only missed three songs. All in all, it looked to me like she had a great time and did not seem nervous or anything. I wish I could have been there live. Unfortunately I could not catch a glimpse of any of our brothers and sisters out there, but I could here you. Safe trip home to all and hey Joni why don't you make this concert thing a habit, New Orleans is lovely in the fall and hey we could do dinner at Maximo's. Night all, Michael ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #303 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?