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JMDL Digest Thursday, August 13 1998 Volume 03 : Number 300
The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available
now. Go to for all the details.
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Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered -
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The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at
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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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(NJC) wallofsound.com top 100 [FredNow@aol.com]
Re: Beautiful Music from Fred (njc) [FredNow@aol.com]
Musikfest (NJC) ["Deb Messling" ]
Re: Fw: quick message on my way to class (JC) [Heather ]
vote for joni ["Wong, Kai" ]
Re: vote for joni [Susan McNamara ]
joni on AOL ["Wong, Kai" ]
RE: vote for joni [Susan McNamara ]
Re: vote for joni [Mark or Travis ]
RE: vote for joni [Brett Code ]
Re: vote for joni [sherrie.good@chronicle.com]
Re: joni on AOL [TerryM2442@aol.com]
Re: vote for joni [TerryM2442@aol.com]
NJC Aug. '69/Cheesey music [Diana Duncan ]
RE: NJC Cheesey music [Michael Yarbrough ]
August, 1969 [Mary Grace Valentinsson ]
RE: vote for joni [Michael Yarbrough ]
Brian Kennedy on Joni ["Twomey" ]
RE: vote for joni [Michael Yarbrough ]
Twisted [michael paz ]
adding votes for Joni [sherrie.good@chronicle.com]
Liz Phair on Letterman tonight (NJC) [Jason Long ]
Today in Joni History - August 13 [Today in Joni History ]
Endless Harmony (NJC) ["Kakki" ]
Joni Pictures! [kbarnicle@ensr.com]
Fwd: Some Flowers Bloom on the Page [BH1248@aol.com]
woodstock (not much Joni content) [Liz Johnson ]
Re: Musikfest (NJC) [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)]
i will always love you (njc) and massive attack [trxschwa ]
oops missed one! [Helen Gill ]
Re: vote for joni [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
RE: vote for joni [Michael Yarbrough ]
This Just In........... [Michael Paz ]
RE: vote for suzzy [Helen Gill ]
Blue River ["Bob" ]
Lead Baloon [Leslie Mixon ]
Re: Blue River ["Kakki" ]
Re: Lead Baloon ["Kakki" ]
Re: Lead Balloon (some of Joni's comments) [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)]
NJC - Camille Cosby Speaks [Les Irvin ]
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 04:58:21 EDT
From: FredNow@aol.com
Subject: (NJC) wallofsound.com top 100
Michael Yarbrough wrote:
>>My personal top 10 choices were:
Joni, _Clouds_
Beatles, _Sgt.
>>Pepper's_
Velvet Underground, _Velvet Underground and Nico_
Aretha,
>>_Lady Soul_
Supremes, _Supremes a Go Go_ (come on, Motown *has* to
>>be
represented in a '60s best of)
Beach Boys, _Pet Sounds_
Bob
>>Dylan, _Highway 61 Revisited_
Sly and the Family Stone, _Stand_
>>
Dusty Springfield, _Dusty in Memphis_
Johnny Cash, _At Folsom
>>Prison_
Now isn't that a nice representative picture of the
>>**REALITY** of
rock 'n' roll?
Good list, except you forgot Jimi Hendrix. Please don't ever forget Jimi
Hendrix.
- -Fred
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 05:03:46 EDT
From: FredNow@aol.com
Subject: Re: Beautiful Music from Fred (njc)
"Kakki" wrote:
>>Today my Fred Simon Beach Boys CD finally arrived in the mail. The
>>music is
very lovely and I got those rare chills that only happen
>>when I hear truly
moving music.
>>
>>I must confess that I had never been much a fan of the Beach Boys
>>even though
they were the local boys and their music was ubiquitous
>>in my town growing up.
(Maybe too ubiquitous to really take the time
>>to know). Then I discovered that
all the most talented musicians
>>that I know personally feel, along with people
like Paul McCartney
>>and George Martin, that Brian Wilson is *it*. One of them
finally
>>sat me down and took me through Pet Sounds and well, there you go.
>>
Fred, you have taken it to the higher ground and done him much
>>better than
good.
>>
>>Kakki
>>
>>NP: Fred Simon - All Summer Long
Man, Kakki, you're sweet. Thanks so much for your cool review, I really
appreciate it more than I can say.
- -Fred
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:55:56 +0000
From: "Deb Messling"
Subject: Musikfest (NJC)
Does anyone on the JMDL list attend Musikfest in Bethlehem, PA?
Does anyone know anything about a group called Eddie from Ohio? Are
they worth seeing?
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:08:44 -0400
From: Heather
Subject: Re: Fw: quick message on my way to class (JC)
At 06:34 PM 8/11/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Great idea, Mark! I voted for Clouds and wrote in STAS. Joni still hasn't
>broken the top 10 (come on - do we really need to have four Beatles albums in
>the top 10?) so please go vote at http://www.wallofsound.com/
>
Kakki & everyone -
I voted! I also voted for Clouds and wrote in STAS. I also put in a vote
for Ms Nyro's Eli album.
Go and vote!!
Heather
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:26:33 -0400
From: "Wong, Kai"
Subject: vote for joni
I just voted for joni and she is still NOT in the Top 10 as of Wed 9:30
am, so do get over there and generate some buzz for joni. The 70's will
be a tough one for us to choose, let us maximize joni's votes and stick
to one album as the top choice - Blue?
Kai
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:38:28 -0400
From: Susan McNamara
Subject: Re: vote for joni
I totally agree with Kai on this one. Vote for Blue, although I love
Clouds I wonder why they picked that one instead of the obvious choice. If
we are talking the top 100 of Rock, Blue should be in the top 20 and I
don't believe Clouds should be on the list at all . Sorry I
must be honest here.
I'm going to write in Blue.
Take care, Sue
Already started my Garden natural high!!! :-)
>
>I just voted for joni and she is still NOT in the Top 10 as of Wed 9:30
>am, so do get over there and generate some buzz for joni. The 70's will
>be a tough one for us to choose, let us maximize joni's votes and stick
>to one album as the top choice - Blue?
>
>Kai
____________________
/____________________\
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|| O etch-a-sketch O ||
\___________________/
"It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:41:21 -0400
From: "Wong, Kai"
Subject: joni on AOL
Saw this item in Music Boulevard and was wondering if any list member
was on AOL in 95 to ask joni any questions.
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:04:24 -0400
From: Susan McNamara
Subject: RE: vote for joni
oops! Sorry--there's my bad reading comprehension again. I am skimming
too much lately in an effort to keep up with jmdl poundage!!
NEVERMIND--WAIT TO VOTE FOR BLUE! Thanks, Kai, Sue
>Sue. the current vote decade is the 60's. The 70's are coming up next.
>Kai
>
____________________
/____________________\
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|| Sue McNamara ||
|| sem8@cornell.edu ||
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|| O etch-a-sketch O ||
\___________________/
"It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:06:03 -0700
From: Mark or Travis
Subject: Re: vote for joni
Wong, Kai wrote:
The 70's will
> be a tough one for us to choose, let us maximize joni's votes and stick
> to one album as the top choice - Blue?
>
> Kai
Why stick to one album? There are 10 slots on the list, right? I count
8 albums that Joni released in the 70's (nine if you count 'Miles of
Aisles'). I say we fill our lists up with her albums and rock the Joni
vote!
Mark in Seattle
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:52:01 -0600
From: Brett Code
Subject: RE: vote for joni
Seems to me that if the point is to get Joni in the top 10, it would be better to vote for Court and Spark. At least then there's a good chance that all those 'Raised on Robbery' lovers out there will vote with us.
Brett
np: FTR, which has recently replaced Hejira at the top of my JM list - I just can't hear it often enough, loud enough, soft enough - going deeper and deeper inside.
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From: Susan McNamara
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 7:38 AM
To: Wong, Kai; joni@smoe.org
Subject: Re: vote for joni
I totally agree with Kai on this one. Vote for Blue, although I love
Clouds I wonder why they picked that one instead of the obvious choice. If
we are talking the top 100 of Rock, Blue should be in the top 20 and I
don't believe Clouds should be on the list at all . Sorry I
must be honest here.
I'm going to write in Blue.
Take care, Sue
Already started my Garden natural high!!! :-)
>
>I just voted for joni and she is still NOT in the Top 10 as of Wed 9:30
>am, so do get over there and generate some buzz for joni. The 70's will
>be a tough one for us to choose, let us maximize joni's votes and stick
>to one album as the top choice - Blue?
>
>Kai
____________________
/____________________\
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|| Sue McNamara ||
|| sem8@cornell.edu ||
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|| O etch-a-sketch O ||
\___________________/
"It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:10:31 -0500
From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com
Subject: Re: vote for joni
count me in as another vote for Blue at wallofsound.
vote for Blue!
http://www.wallofsound.com/
Sherrie
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:47:21 EDT
From: TerryM2442@aol.com
Subject: Re: joni on AOL
In a message dated 8/12/98 9:45:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kwong@bev.etn.com
writes:
<< Saw this item in Music Boulevard and was wondering if any list member
was on AOL in 95 to ask joni any questions. >>
Yes, I was at that online conference and even saved it..but lost it when my
computer crashed. Sheesh. The way it works is, people can ask as many
questions as they want, but only a handful are chosen. I asked probably a few
dozen questions and they did pick one, but it was THE lamest question- I was
beside myself, typing up a frenzy and praying they'd choose mine.
What was the question? (the older listers will remember):
"What instrument do you wish you knew how to play"?
Answer: "the drums".
Terry
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:52:04 EDT
From: TerryM2442@aol.com
Subject: Re: vote for joni
In a message dated 8/12/98 11:13:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
sherrie.good@chronicle.com writes:
<< count me in as another vote for Blue at wallofsound.
vote for Blue!
http://www.wallofsound.com/
>>
Aren't they still taking albums from the 60's? Wasn't Blue released in 1971?
Terry
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:00:00 -0500
From: Diana Duncan
Subject: NJC Aug. '69/Cheesey music
At 04:09 PM 8/11/1998 -0400, Sue wrote:
>Ahhhhh!
>Jim, this made me roll right out of my chair with laughter !!!!
I have to agree with Sue. I LOL when I read Jim's account of Aug. '69.
Quite a parody of us old fogies' recollections.
So many radio stations are now doing 80's retrospectives. My daughter is
enjoying it like I do the 60's stuff. She mentioned how much of it is
cheesey and is a little embarrassed to love it. That reminded me of the
thread we had about our fond memories of cheesey music. You know ,the
"Hanson" music of each era. What is it about 11 or 12 year olds that draws
them to this mindless, light, skippy music.
How about a question about what is the cheesiest song you are the most
embarrassed about loving to hear on the radio? When you're alone, you sing
along but if anyone else is around you turn it immediately? Something that
reminds you of when you were 12.
I guess mine would have to be "Johnny Angel" by Shelly Fabares. But I know
there are others that I just can't think of now. How about you?
Diana,
Taking over for Julie with the NJC while she's gone.
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:49:10 -0400
From: Michael Yarbrough
Subject: RE: NJC Cheesey music
I think my favorite guilty pleasure song is Whitney Houston's "Greatest
Love of All." I *DESPISE* Whitney, especially for ruining one of Dolly's
masterpieces, but for some reason that song really touched me when it
was released. I was about 12 at the time, so you can imagine...
I can't imagine what I'd do if I actually heard the song now. [shiver].
- --Michael (guess where I was during Woodstock, heh heh)
NP: Massive Attack, _Blue Lines_
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:52:54 -0700
From: Mary Grace Valentinsson
Subject: August, 1969
OK, I'll bite:
In the summer of '69, I was 10 1/2. Had a morning job delivering the Star
Ledger. I used to get complaints because I delivered it too early and the
thud of the paper on old fashioned porches woke people up. Spent my
time with my dog and watching the Miracle Mets, playing nun, listening to
my sister Pat's Beatle albums, swimming in our Doughboy, snooping
through my older sisters' dresser drawers and riding my bike. I had a
crush on Cleon Jones and Tommy Agee.
Since my sister Pat was still a couple of years away from discovering
Joni, I was as well.
MG
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:29:05 -0400
From: Michael Yarbrough
Subject: RE: vote for joni
Mark in Seattle wrote:
<<>>
But I need room for Marvin, Stevie, Patti, Blondie, the Roches, the
Clash, Bowie, etc. _Blue_ and HOSL will definitely be on my list,
and _Hejira_ might sneak on there, but I just can't bring myself to
pretend that _Miles of Aisles_ is superior to _What's Going On_.
I like the plan of voting for _Blue_ then adding any other personal
faves each person may wish to.
- --Michael
NP: Massive Attack, _Blue Lines_, which will be on my '90s list
along w/ NRH
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:25:19 +0100
From: "Twomey"
Subject: Brian Kennedy on Joni
Hi all,
Here's a Q&A new addition to Brian's official website:
Q: On the recent West Coast tour, we were at the second night's show at
the Gorge Amphitheatre. Although I enjoy your backup singing with Van, I
was very disappointed that you did not get to sing solo during Van's set
(as it seems you did at almost every other venue on that tour!) Why didn't
you? Was it just a bad night? Joni Mitchell's music got me thru high school
(!!) -- how was touring with her--did you get to hang out with her much,
sing with her? She seems very friendly onstage.
Brian: I don't always get to sing solo on Van shows, sometimes there are
time restrictions - sometimes Van feels like going straight on - it's a
very changeable easy going thing - we do what feels right on the night.
Joni Mitchell is an incredibly generous spirited person, meeting her only
increased my admiration for her gifts - a lovely warm woman with time for
everyone - she gave me a beautiful compliment and an amazing print of her
new album cover - we all nearly performed together but it didn't pan out -
she asked me to sing on 'I shall be released' - the Dylan song - It really
was an unforgettable tour. Thanks B.K.
The URL for this website is http://www.briankennedy.co.uk
Sean :-)
Kate Bush News & Information
http://www.clubi.ie/twomey/katebush.htm
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:50:51 -0400
From: Michael Yarbrough
Subject: RE: vote for joni
I wrote:
<<>>
And I was referring to the *'70s* vote next week. Sorry for any
confusion.
- --Michael
NP: Radiohead, _OK Computer_ (another definite best of the
'90s, in fact a top 10 of all time IMO)
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:03:29 +0000
From: michael paz
Subject: Twisted
HI Kate (LOOKING FOR SHEET MUSIC TO TWISTED)
Did someone respond to you? I have a copy of the Court and Spark
songbook. Can I help you out?
Peace,
Michael
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:23:31 -0500
From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com
Subject: adding votes for Joni
okay, Michael 'splained we are only voting for 60s records this week. so i
tried to add "Song To A Seagull" as a title, but nothing happens. even when
i type in the dreaded title "Joni Mitchell" nothing happens. why can't i
add my own selections in that field at the top of the page?
sherrie
SP: Patty Loveless
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:54:08 -0400
From: Jason Long
Subject: Liz Phair on Letterman tonight (NJC)
Hi everyone,
I just thought I'd let the Liz Phair fans on the list (and anyone else who
is interested in checking her out, for that matter) know that she will be
appearing on 'Late Show with David Letterman' tonight to perform "Polyester
Bride," the first single from her new album _whitechocolatespaceegg_.
Liz's new record is an incredible piece of work; I can't get over just how
good it is. It's much more varied and textured than her past efforts, while
maintaining the same emotional directness. By far, this is my favorite album
of the year so far.
Jase
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:00:00 -0600
From: Today in Joni History
Subject: Today in Joni History - August 13
1974: Tonight Joni performs the first of five nights in a row at the
Universal Amphitheater in Universal City, California. These five dates are
recorded for editing as the Miles Of Aisles album, released 3 months later.
A review of the album/concert appears in Rolling Stone early in 1975.
Find it at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/revmars.htm
List-member Steve Dulson was there with his camera... see his photo at:
http://members.aol.com/tinkerjoni/joni.html
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Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to
JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list.
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:58:56 -0700
From: "Kakki"
Subject: Endless Harmony (NJC)
For Beach Boys aficianados and aficianadas ~ the documentary "Endless Harmony:
The Beach Boys and Their Music" will air on VH-1 starting August 23rd. A CD of
the same name was released yesterday which includes mostly previously
unreleased live, studio and alternate recordings. This sounds good. Check out
the liner notes at http://www.mindspring.com/~sfrazier/endless.htm
BTW, Pet Sounds is still holding strong on the Wall of Sound list and Jimi is
in the No. 2 spot (Yes!), but still no Joni ;-(
Happy Trails to the Gardeners!
Kakki
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:35:22 EDT
From: kbarnicle@ensr.com
Subject: Joni Pictures!
I was just performing a search on Alta Vista when I clicked on the
advertisement to create a card on the "Corbis Picture Experience"
I did a search for Joni Mitchell and they have 75 pictures of her! Wowie,
Zowie! Just think of all the cyber-cards we can send with JoniJoniJoniJoni!
Does anyone know what this is about? Are these photos in the public domain?
I like the one entitled Joni and some guy named Larry. Who could that be?
Try it out at www.safari.altavista.digital.com
Katie from the Cape
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:52:51 EDT
From: BH1248@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: Some Flowers Bloom on the Page
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forwarding to you all. Enjoy.
Bob
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Some Flowers Bloom on the Page
.c The Associated Press
By GEORGE BRIA
POUND RIDGE, N.Y. (AP) - ``But though an old man, I am but a young gardener.''
These words, perhaps America's most cherished gardening quotation, are Thomas
Jefferson's in a letter to a friend two years after his presidency ended in
1809. He was 66 and had 15 more years to live.
Anyone taking a pause from trowel and hoe for a bit of browsing will find
literature rich in such gems.
One good new source of quotes is Martin Hoyle's ``The Gardener's Perpetual
Almanack'' (1997, Thames & Hudson, Inc., $12.95 hardcover). Another is Maria
Polushkin Robbins' ``A Gardener's Bouquet of Quotations'' (Nal-Dutton, paper
$8.95). And, of course, there is the periodically updated classic,
``Bartlett's Familiar Quotations.''
I tend to like reflective sayings about wishes fulfilled or yearned for in the
garden. The Roman poet Horace put it this way 2,000 years ago:
``This used to be among my prayers - a piece of land not so very large, which
would contain a garden, and near the house a spring of ever-flowing water, and
beyond these a bit of wood.''
And St. Augustine (354-430):
``When all is said and done, is there any more wonderful sight, any moment
when man's reason is nearer to some sort of contact with the nature of the
world, than the sowing of seeds, the planting of cuttings, the transplanting
of shrubs, or the grafting of slips?''
Said America's 19th-century poet John Greenleaf Whittier:
``Who sows a field, or trains a flower,
``Or plants a tree , is more than all.''
Rabelais (1490-1553), the French humanist and satirist, said:
``Oh thrice and four times happy those who plant cabbages.''
And his compatriot, the essayist Montaigne (1533-92), went a step further:
``I want death to find me planting my cabbages.''
Why cabbages, you might ask. Well, they could mean vegetables in general. And
don't forget that at that time today's superstar crops - tomatoes, peppers,
beans, corn - were still to come to Europe from the New World.
No literary genealogy can match that of the garden. As the English
philosopher-statesman Francis Bacon (1561-1626) put it:
``God Almighty first planted a garden.''
And Thomas Browne (1605-82), English author and physician, specified:
``Gardens were before gardeners and but some hours after the earth.''
For its philosophical resonance, probably literature's best-known garden quote
comes from 18th-century French author Voltaire's ``Candide'':
``We must cultivate our garden.''
Two hundred years later, the idea rang just as insistently in Joni Mitchell's
``Woodstock'':
``And we've got to get ourselves
``Back to the garden.''
In ``Big Yellow Taxi,'' Mitchell also raised a spectral vision:
``They paved paradise
``And put up a parking lot.''
He could get an argument about this, but Irish playwright George Bernard Shaw
said:
``Gardening is the only unquestionably useful job.''
Few look at it as a mere pastime, however.
``Let no one think that real gardening is a bucolic and meditative
occupation,'' said Czech novelist Karel Capek (1890-1938.) ``It is an
insatiable passion, like everything else to which a man gives his heart.''
And the work sometimes calls for pain-killers.
``What a man needs in gardening is a cast-iron back, with a hinge in it,''
said American journalist Charles Dudley Warner (1829-1900.)
England's Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936) versified:
``Oh Adam was a gardener, and
God who made him sees
That half a proper gardener's
Work is done upon his knees.''
Slothful weeders might heed Victorian English writer Alfred Austin's warning:
``Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are.''
Being an asparagus grower, I can testify to the truth of this from ``Poor
Robin's Almanack'' in 1808:
``About the seasons of the year,
Astrologers may make a fuss;
But this I know, that spring is here
When I can eat asparagus.''
Comes this spoof from Don Marquis:
``He worked like hell in the country so he could live in the city, where he
worked like hell so he could live in the country.''
But from the ridiculous it's nice to go to the sublime with Emily Dickinson:
``No wilderness can be
Where this attendeth me
No Desert Noon
No fear of frost to come
Haunt the perennial bloom
But certain June!''
With that, an end to browsing and back to the trowel.
As author Christine Allison said in 1995 in her ``365 Days of Gardening'':
``Reading is good, but the garden is the best teacher.''
George Bria retired from the AP in 1981 after 40 years that included coverage
of World War II from Italy.
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:07:46 -0700
From: Liz Johnson
Subject: woodstock (not much Joni content)
August of 1969, I was 3 years old - JUST about to turn 4, my birthday is in
September. So I don't really remember Woodstock either. What I can
imagine that I was doing was playing out in the backyard with the puppies -
I had a really cool fort that my dad had built for me. I'm sure I was also
dragging around my Smoky Bear stuffed animal - I carried it around with me
all of the time until one night I left it out in the fort. Can you guess
what happened? The puppies ripped Smoky to bits, I was heartbroken!
I don't post much to the list but just felt like it today. I've been
having a really tough time recently, I am in the process of loosing my job
and have been feeling really down and depressed. I'm starting to look for
a new job - I found 3 leads today, and am hoping to pull myself out of this
depression that I have been in. I've just been feeling really 'stuck' and
'trapped' in my life - like things are always going to be just like they
are now. I know this isn't true but I've really been down for the last few
months. I'm starting to be interested in life again - for the longest time
I just wanted to sit on the couch and eat - not really very positive, eh?
I'm looking forward to leaving this awful work situation and am giving
serious thought to sueing my employer, I was set up to fail in this job by
my boss, treated like a dog and now being asked to leave. I don't want him
continuing to treat people as badly as he treated me.
Things are getting back on track with my mate, I really haden't been 'in'
the relationship for the past year but am now seeing that we have a good
thing and that it is worth working at.
I'm starting to play hockey again - my TRUE love in life. My league games
will start early next month, I've been skating and playing a lot, loosing
weight and getting fit again. Nothing helps a good depression go away like
a lot of exercise!...for me anyway.
I've been really interested in reading through the JMDL's too. For awhile,
it was overwhelming and I could just skim through them but I've been really
interested in reading through them completely for the last few days.
So, it's been a tough year for me but I am finally seeing the light at the
end of the tunnel - sadsack Liz is going away and happy-go-lucky Liz is
finally showing her face again.
Thanks for letting me vent and share, when you dig down deep...well, you
all know the rest, have a good day at Woodstock everybody!
cheers,
Liz
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:14:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)
Subject: Re: Musikfest (NJC)
I attended last year for the David Grisman Quintet, but I know nothing
of the band you've inquired about. Not planning on going this year.
Doing Woodstock instead, hopefully.
gdave
NP: Tape of the Day: 8/12/88
Hot Tuna: Chestnut Caberet, Philadelphia, PA.
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:33:08 -0400
From: trxschwa
Subject: i will always love you (njc) and massive attack
michael,
you wrote >
> I *DESPISE* Whitney, especially for ruining one of Dolly's
masterpieces,
oh, i've always been really happy that so many people have heard one of
dolly's best songs. about a year before whitney's version, i saw dolly on
a late night show and she was asked, 'do you have any regrets?' she said,
'well, i wrote this one song, and i always thought it should be a hit".
she had recorded 'i will always love you' twice, and it was supposed to be
a big hit from the soundtrack of 'best little whorehouse' (talk about
guilty pleasures, i LOVE that movie).
whitney no more ruined it than she does any song. she just whitneyized it,
but it still came through as a great song.
you wrote
>NP: Massive Attack, _Blue Lines_
i gave this a spin last weekend and thought about you folks, wondering if
you knew it. one of the most terrific albums i've ever heard. a huge
range of songs, from soul-beat pop, very early trip-hop, a truly cool cover
of 'be thankful for what you've got' and a great rethinking of the 'anthem'
concept in 'hymn of the big wheel' (and i love rock anthems). shara
nelson's vocal on 'unfinished sympathy' is an all-time chill-inducer.
i also noticed for the first time the source of the piano figure on mary j
blige's 'i love you', another deep favorite.
patrick
np - massive attack - mezzanine
and then you later wrote
>Massive Attack, _Blue Lines_, which will be on my '90s list
along w/ NRH
glad to know i'm preaching to the converted. these two, plus siberry's
maria, are in my pantheon of great music as well.
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:02:14 -0400
From: Michael Yarbrough
Subject: Joni in Lauryn Hill review and *another* Liz Phair review
I've been oh-so-f**king-patiently awaiting the release of Lauryn Hill's
(aka one of the Fugees) solo album, which has already received a 9
out of 10 from Spin and 4 out of 5 stars from Rolling Stone. Reading
Rolling Stone's review online, I came across this:
... the very timbre of [Hill's] voice -- that deep, oven-roasted sound
when rhyming, the sweet, melancholy-tinged midrange she owns
when singing, the way she always comes confidently from deep
within her chest -- it communicates a self-respect and self-love. The
sound of a woman who takes herself seriously. A sound that recalls,
for me, the sharp, strong voice of Joni Mitchell. Joni seems a
musical North Star for Lauryn, with her biting honesty, her musical innovativeness that's never exposed in an ornate or showy way, her
confidence to keep it simple. Both speak universal truths from a
definitely female perch.
And in Details review of Liz Phair's _whitechocolatespaceegg_:
With [spaceegg], Phair has become less of a confessor, like Joni
Mitchell, and more of a storyteller.
I'm not sure what that quote means. Probably that the reviewer
never listened to any post-_Blue_ Joni.
The Rolling Stone review can be found at http://www.rollingstone.com.
- --Michael
NP: Me'Shell NdegeOcello, _Peace Beyond Passion_
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:33:50 +1000 (EST)
From: Helen Gill
Subject: Re: vote for joni
On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Wong, Kai wrote:
> I just voted for joni and she is still NOT in the Top 10 as of Wed 9:30
> am, so do get over there and generate some buzz for joni. The 70's will
> be a tough one for us to choose, let us maximize joni's votes and stick
> to one album as the top choice - Blue?
>
> Kai
Nah, Hejira...or DJRD, no? I know, we all plan a planned list of Joni
albums from the seventies..and then we all write in the same/similar list
so then only Joni advances forth to the next round! Let's see what could
it be.....
Hejira
Don Juan's Reckless Daughter
Blue
Forthe Roses
Hissing of Summer Lawns
Minggus
Miles of Aisles
Shadows and Light (or is that 80s...can't remember)
anyway I've probably missed one or two...I don't have any dates
handy...and BTW what hapened to Ladies of the Canyon in all this...was it
not a 60s one? does it not get a vote too?
Anyway, the above will be MY 70s vote...anyone else?
helen.
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:39:15 +1000 (EST)
From: Helen Gill
Subject: oops missed one!
OOPS I knew I'd miss one, just plucking them out of the top of my head
like that..... Court and Spark's gotta get in there somewhere.
Earlier I wrote:
Nah, Hejira...or DJRD, no? I know, we all plan a planned list of Joni
albums from the seventies..and then we all write in the same/similar list
so then only Joni advances forth to the next round! Let's see what could
it be.....
Hejira
Don Juan's Reckless Daughter
Blue
Forthe Roses
Hissing of Summer Lawns
Court and Spark
Minggus
Miles of Aisles
Shadows and Light (or is that 80s...can't remember)
anyway I've probably missed one or two...I don't have any dates
handy...and BTW what hapened to Ladies of the Canyon in all this...was it
not a 60s one? does it not get a vote too?
Anyway, the above will be MY 70s vote...anyone else?
helen.
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:57:34 EDT
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: vote for joni
I love Joni, but I could not honestly vote for her albums among the top 10 of
the '60s. I had Revolver, Sgt. Pepper, Santana, Doors, Bookends, Parsley Sage,
Surrealistic Pillow, Led Zep I, Electric Ladyland and I forget the last one.
After looking over the list, I don't know that I'd put either of Joni's '60s
albums in my top 20.
However, I promise that I'll find a place for at least one of her albums, if
not two, among my votes for albums of the '70s. Maybe even three -- Blue, For
the Roses and Court and Spark. And then there's Hejira.
Next week will be very tough picking.
Paul I
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:04:34 -0400
From: Michael Yarbrough
Subject: RE: vote for joni
Helen wrote a list of Joni's '70s albums then:
<<>>
Um, mine will be:
Joni Mitchell, _Blue_
Joni Mitchell, _Hissing of Summer Lawns_
Patti Smith, _Horses_
Big Star, _#1 Record_
Marvin Gaye, _What's Going On_
Stevie Wonder, _Innervisions_
Blondie, _Parallel Lines_
The Who, _Who's Next_
The Roches, _The Roches_
The Clash, _London Calling_
There are about 25 other albums (including _Hejira_) that could
worm their way in there. While I understand and agree with the
impulse to organize around getting *one* of Joni's albums in
there, I find the idea of voting for all Joni all the time, especially
in the context of the wide variety of great '70s music, a little
noxious.
Of course, some people may actually think that everything Joni
released in the '70s was better than everything anyone else at
all released then. If so, then please vote that way, then send
me your address so I can make you a mixtape right away! ;-)
- --Michael, music fan
NP: Patti Smith, _Easter_
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:05:37 -0500
From: Michael Paz
Subject: This Just In...........
Hello All-
I was minding my own business, playing piano in the living room and
Mikey alerted me that Joni was on MTV. I jumped outta my chair like I
was shot and flipped the damn TV on. She was on MTV news apparently
being interviewed about Back To The Garden. It sounded like the shit was
hitting the fan...if I understood what was going on, Joni and Stevie
were getting $450,000 (that's six figures for you folks keeping track of
her income) and Henley and Townsend are getting $550,000. WOW! I don't
guess there is any argument of weather or not it's a mans world or not.
That really sucks. I am also kinda shocked that the fees are that high
to begin with. Must have something to do with movie/tv/record
rights/advances, etc. I hope I misunderstood all this, but who knows. I
will keep my ear tuned to MTV to see if I can catch it again.
Later,
Michael
NP-Love Puts On A New Face
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:24:58 +1000 (EST)
From: Helen Gill
Subject: RE: vote for suzzy
Ah yes, The Roches, of course, well they'll get in there among the other
Joni's in my NOXIOUS selection ;-).....innervisions too. i think that
self titled Roches would win the best Roches album of all time competition
wouldn't it? Neil Young did some wonderful things in the 70s. So did my
mum: she had me in 79!
Patti Smith hmm? I'll be seeing her on the 21st alongside Bob Dylan...i
eagerly await!
Helly.
On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Michael Yarbrough wrote:
> Um, mine will be:
>
> Joni Mitchell, _Blue_
> Joni Mitchell, _Hissing of Summer Lawns_
> Patti Smith, _Horses_
> Big Star, _#1 Record_
> Marvin Gaye, _What's Going On_
> Stevie Wonder, _Innervisions_
> Blondie, _Parallel Lines_
> The Who, _Who's Next_
> The Roches, _The Roches_
> The Clash, _London Calling_
>
> There are about 25 other albums (including _Hejira_) that could
> worm their way in there. While I understand and agree with the
> impulse to organize around getting *one* of Joni's albums in
> there, I find the idea of voting for all Joni all the time, especially
> in the context of the wide variety of great '70s music, a little
> noxious.
>
> Of course, some people may actually think that everything Joni
> released in the '70s was better than everything anyone else at
> all released then. If so, then please vote that way, then send
> me your address so I can make you a mixtape right away! ;-)
>
> --Michael, music fan
>
> NP: Patti Smith, _Easter_
>
>
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:05:08 -0400
From: "Bob"
Subject: Blue River
Does anybody know if the Eric Anderson album " Blue River" , which i
believe included a guest appearance by Joni ,has been re-issued on CD.
Thanks- jazzfreak@earthlink.net
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:32:29 -0700
From: Leslie Mixon
Subject: Lead Baloon
Hi, gang,
Leslie and I had the pleasure of hearing Wally's advance copy of TTT last
weekend, and I had a thought about the song "Lead Balloon". If you've
heard it, then you know that it's a rocker, with lots of fuzz guitar, and
that it has lyrics about some of Joni's discouraging experiences with the
high and mighty in the music business. Which reminds me of a story...
When ex-Yardbirds Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, John Paul Jones and John Bonham
announced that they were going to start their own band, the irrepressible
Keith Moon, drummer for the Who, said the venture would "go down like a
lead balloon". Keith's quip amused the fellows, though, and actually
provided the inspiration for the name of the band - Led Zeppelin - which
was to sell far more albums than the Who had dreamed possible.
Is it just coincidence that Joni wrote a song called "Lead Balloon?" about
the music industry, with a thumping beat and lots of distortion on the
guitar? Oh, probably. But she does know Plant from his negotiating with
her to record her songs, and Page has stated his admiration for her in no
less that glowing terms...
Well, anyway, it gives us something to ponder while awaiting the official
release. ;)
Cheers,
Steve Mixon (Leslie's Ole Man)
Leslie Mixon
stevem@cruzio.com
http://www.cruzio.com/~stevem
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:33:36 -0700
From: "Kakki"
Subject: Re: Blue River
Bob asked:
> Does anybody know if the Eric Anderson album " Blue River" , which i
> believe included a guest appearance by Joni ,has been re-issued on CD.
> Thanks- jazzfreak@earthlink.net
Yes, I saw it last year at CDNow.com but didn't order it. Do you recommend it?
Kakki
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:39:13 -0700
From: "Kakki"
Subject: Re: Lead Baloon
Hi Steve
> Is it just coincidence that Joni wrote a song called "Lead Balloon?" about
> the music industry, with a thumping beat and lots of distortion on the
> guitar? Oh, probably. But she does know Plant from his negotiating with
> her to record her songs, and Page has stated his admiration for her in no
> less that glowing terms...
The first time I heard LB I thought it was a deliberate connection to Led Zep,
(but then again I always look for metaphoric meanings in lyrics, especially
Joni's!)
Can't wait to get my copy of TTT - I'm gonna blast that song out into the
streets!
Kakki
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 98 05:21:09 GMT
From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)
Subject: Re: Lead Balloon (some of Joni's comments)
Here's what Joni has to say about Lead Balloon in the May 1997 Vanity Fair
interview with Bill Flanagan:
"I've written a rock song," Mitchell told the table. "It's called 'Lead
Balloon.' I wrote it for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. It begins, 'You
can kiss my ass."' The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, under steady pressure
from The New York Times, had finally voted Mitchell in. She had not decided
if she would show up for the induction in May.
------------------------------------
"We
know how to swing," Joni said, nodding to her new partner, Brian Blade,
behind his drums. "Now we'll see if we know how to rock!" She made three
passes at a rhythm track, each with a different attack, then listened and
chose the second take. Her engineer mentioned that it sounded like Led
Zeppelin. "More like a lead balloon," Mitchell cracked.
---------------------------------------
Back in the recording studio, she sat in a soft chair and lit the latest in
a constant procession of the cigarettes which she won't talk about
quitting. After another pass at "Lead Balloon," she started to laugh at the
idea of herself "going metal." "When you play like this you understand the
appeal of the big dumb rock guitar," she declared. "A little voice inside
says, 'That's dumb,'but I really want to go ... " Sweeping her arm in a
Pete Townshend windmill, she stuck out a leg like Chuck Berry doing his
duck walk, grabbed for her smoke, and exhaled.
------------------------------------------
This is an INCREDIBLY good interview, probably one of the best I've ever read.
It's available in its entirety at www.jmdl.com for those (like me) who forgot
to pick up the magazine. It's a *long one* so you'll need some spare time!
-Kenny
On 8/13/98 12:39AM, "Kakki" wrote:
Hi Steve
> Is it just coincidence that Joni wrote a song called "Lead Balloon?" about
> the music industry, with a thumping beat and lots of distortion on the
> guitar? Oh, probably. But she does know Plant from his negotiating with
> her to record her songs, and Page has stated his admiration for her in no
> less that glowing terms...
The first time I heard LB I thought it was a deliberate connection to Led
Zep, (but then again I always look for metaphoric meanings in lyrics,
especially Joni's!)
Can't wait to get my copy of TTT - I'm gonna blast that song out into the
streets!
Kakki
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:26:38 -0600
From: Les Irvin
Subject: NJC - Camille Cosby Speaks
Hi folks -
Recently, a Smoe snafu prevented a number of posts from being added to the
digests. Below is one of them that I repeat for the benefit of those
digest members...
Les
USA TODAY ~ 07/08/98
AMERICA TAUGHT MY SON'S KILLER TO HATE BLACKS
From our institutions to our media,
racism and prejudice are omnipresent.
Prejudice permeates American culture
By Camille O. Cosby
I believe America taught our son's killer to hate
African-Americans. After Mikail Markhasev killed
Ennis William Cosby on Jan. 16, 1997, he said to his
friends, "I shot a Nigger. It's all over the news."
This was not the first time Markhasev had attacked a
Black person. In 1995, he served time in a juvenile
center for stabbing a Black man who was standing at a
gas station.
Presumably, Markhasev did not learn to hate Black
people in his native country, the Ukraine, where the
Black population was near zero. Nor was he likely to
see America's intolerable, stereotypical movies and
television programs about Blacks, which were not
shown in the Soviet Union before the killer and his
family moved to America in the late 1980s.
James Baldwin wrote in his book The Price of the
Ticket, "The will of the people, or the State, is
revealed by the State's institutions. There was not,
then, nor is there, now, a single American
institution which is not a racist institution."
Yes, racism and prejudice are omnipresent and
eternalized in America's institutions, media and
myriad entities. Here are a few examples:
* The Voting Rights Act signed by President Lyndon
B. Johnson in 1965 will expire in 2007. Congress
once again will decide whether African-Americans
will be allowed to vote. No other Americans are
subjected to this oppressive nonsense.
* African-Americans, as well as all Americans, are
brainwashed every day to respect and revere
slave-owners and people who clearly waffled
about race. In truth, the enslavement of
millions of Africans immeasurably enriched the
treasuries of America's government and
individuals. Interestingly, several
slave-owners' images are on America's paper
currencies: George Washington ($1), Thomas
Jefferson ($2), Alexander Hamilton ($10), Andrew
Jackson ($20), Ulysses Grant ($50) and Benjamin
Franklin ($100).
Grant was the last U.S. president to own slaves. Even
Abraham Lincoln ($5) said, "I do not stand pledged to
the prohibition of the slave trade between the
states ... I, as much as any man, am in favor of
having the superior position assigned to the White
race."
* God and most Christian holy people artistically
have been recreated in images of whiteness. This
shrewd propaganda undeniably lessens the
worthiness of most of the Earth's people.
Because of those visual constructs, the churches
have a deep problem with race.
* America's educational institutions' dictionaries
define "Black" as "harmful; hostile; disgrace;
unpleasant aspects of life." "White" is
described as "decent; honorable; auspicious;
without malice."
* A medical school at the University of Texas in
Galveston conducted a controversial study
primarily on Black babies from 1956 to 1962. The
researchers withheld an essential fatty acid
from the babies' formulas that humans need for
the growth of the whole body and nervous system.
Those Black babies were used as laboratory
animals, and several of the infants died during
the course of the study. Previously, this
research had been done on dogs. This is just one
of several unethical medical studies on
African-Americans that has been documented.
Also, racism negatively has impacted
African-Americans' health. Dr. Alvin F. Poussaint, a
Harvard psychiatrist says, "Some research suggests
that the high prevalence of hypertension among
African-Americans, compared to whites, is related
directly to the stresses associated with being a
Black person, living in a racist society."
* D.W. Griffith's The Birth of a Nation, an
undisguised racist film, was recently rated by
the American Film Institute as No. 44 of
America's top 100 films. This movie depicted
Black people as subhuman creatures.
* Gangs, such as the Ku Klux Klan, unite because
of racial hatred. A gang will convince
themselves that they are racially superior to
"outside" groups, which must be harmed or
eliminated.
Violence is prevalent in America. According to Gavin
de Becker's research in his book The Gift of Fear,
"The energy of violence moves through our culture...
Our country's murderers rob us of almost a million
years of human life every year... In the past two
years alone, more Americans died from gunshot wounds
than were killed during the entire Vietnam War."
USA TODAY recently published a report from Pride, a
nonprofit drug-prevention program. Pride's survey
shows that nearly one million school kids (grades six
through 12) carried guns to school during the 1997-98
school year. Fifty-nine percent were white; 18% were
black. More than half also used an illegal drug on a
monthly basis.
Ennis William Cosby was shot and killed in a middle-
to upper-middle-income, predominately white
community. The misperception immortalized daily by
the media and other entities is that crimes are
committed in poor neighborhoods inhabited by dark
people.
All African-Americans, regardless of their
educational and economic accomplishments, have been
and are at risk in America simply because of their
skin colors. Sadly, my family and I experienced that
to be one of America's racial truths.
Most people know that facing the truth brings about
healing and growth. When is America going to face its
historical and current racial realities so it can be
what it says it is?
---------------------------------------------
Camille O. Cosby is an educator and producer.
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