From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #300 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, August 13 1998 Volume 03 : Number 300 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- (NJC) wallofsound.com top 100 [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Beautiful Music from Fred (njc) [FredNow@aol.com] Musikfest (NJC) ["Deb Messling" ] Re: Fw: quick message on my way to class (JC) [Heather ] vote for joni ["Wong, Kai" ] Re: vote for joni [Susan McNamara ] joni on AOL ["Wong, Kai" ] RE: vote for joni [Susan McNamara ] Re: vote for joni [Mark or Travis ] RE: vote for joni [Brett Code ] Re: vote for joni [sherrie.good@chronicle.com] Re: joni on AOL [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: vote for joni [TerryM2442@aol.com] NJC Aug. '69/Cheesey music [Diana Duncan ] RE: NJC Cheesey music [Michael Yarbrough ] August, 1969 [Mary Grace Valentinsson ] RE: vote for joni [Michael Yarbrough ] Brian Kennedy on Joni ["Twomey" ] RE: vote for joni [Michael Yarbrough ] Twisted [michael paz ] adding votes for Joni [sherrie.good@chronicle.com] Liz Phair on Letterman tonight (NJC) [Jason Long ] Today in Joni History - August 13 [Today in Joni History ] Endless Harmony (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Joni Pictures! [kbarnicle@ensr.com] Fwd: Some Flowers Bloom on the Page [BH1248@aol.com] woodstock (not much Joni content) [Liz Johnson ] Re: Musikfest (NJC) [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] i will always love you (njc) and massive attack [trxschwa ] oops missed one! [Helen Gill ] Re: vote for joni [IVPAUL42@aol.com] RE: vote for joni [Michael Yarbrough ] This Just In........... [Michael Paz ] RE: vote for suzzy [Helen Gill ] Blue River ["Bob" ] Lead Baloon [Leslie Mixon ] Re: Blue River ["Kakki" ] Re: Lead Baloon ["Kakki" ] Re: Lead Balloon (some of Joni's comments) [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] NJC - Camille Cosby Speaks [Les Irvin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 04:58:21 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: (NJC) wallofsound.com top 100 Michael Yarbrough wrote: >>My personal top 10 choices were: Joni, _Clouds_ Beatles, _Sgt. >>Pepper's_ Velvet Underground, _Velvet Underground and Nico_ Aretha, >>_Lady Soul_ Supremes, _Supremes a Go Go_ (come on, Motown *has* to >>be represented in a '60s best of) Beach Boys, _Pet Sounds_ Bob >>Dylan, _Highway 61 Revisited_ Sly and the Family Stone, _Stand_ >> Dusty Springfield, _Dusty in Memphis_ Johnny Cash, _At Folsom >>Prison_ Now isn't that a nice representative picture of the >>**REALITY** of rock 'n' roll? Good list, except you forgot Jimi Hendrix. Please don't ever forget Jimi Hendrix. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 05:03:46 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Beautiful Music from Fred (njc) "Kakki" wrote: >>Today my Fred Simon Beach Boys CD finally arrived in the mail. The >>music is very lovely and I got those rare chills that only happen >>when I hear truly moving music. >> >>I must confess that I had never been much a fan of the Beach Boys >>even though they were the local boys and their music was ubiquitous >>in my town growing up. (Maybe too ubiquitous to really take the time >>to know). Then I discovered that all the most talented musicians >>that I know personally feel, along with people like Paul McCartney >>and George Martin, that Brian Wilson is *it*. One of them finally >>sat me down and took me through Pet Sounds and well, there you go. >> Fred, you have taken it to the higher ground and done him much >>better than good. >> >>Kakki >> >>NP: Fred Simon - All Summer Long Man, Kakki, you're sweet. Thanks so much for your cool review, I really appreciate it more than I can say. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:55:56 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Musikfest (NJC) Does anyone on the JMDL list attend Musikfest in Bethlehem, PA? Does anyone know anything about a group called Eddie from Ohio? Are they worth seeing? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:08:44 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: Fw: quick message on my way to class (JC) At 06:34 PM 8/11/98 -0700, you wrote: >Great idea, Mark! I voted for Clouds and wrote in STAS. Joni still hasn't >broken the top 10 (come on - do we really need to have four Beatles albums in >the top 10?) so please go vote at http://www.wallofsound.com/ > Kakki & everyone - I voted! I also voted for Clouds and wrote in STAS. I also put in a vote for Ms Nyro's Eli album. Go and vote!! Heather ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:26:33 -0400 From: "Wong, Kai" Subject: vote for joni I just voted for joni and she is still NOT in the Top 10 as of Wed 9:30 am, so do get over there and generate some buzz for joni. The 70's will be a tough one for us to choose, let us maximize joni's votes and stick to one album as the top choice - Blue? Kai ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:38:28 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: vote for joni I totally agree with Kai on this one. Vote for Blue, although I love Clouds I wonder why they picked that one instead of the obvious choice. If we are talking the top 100 of Rock, Blue should be in the top 20 and I don't believe Clouds should be on the list at all . Sorry I must be honest here. I'm going to write in Blue. Take care, Sue Already started my Garden natural high!!! :-) > >I just voted for joni and she is still NOT in the Top 10 as of Wed 9:30 >am, so do get over there and generate some buzz for joni. The 70's will >be a tough one for us to choose, let us maximize joni's votes and stick >to one album as the top choice - Blue? > >Kai ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:41:21 -0400 From: "Wong, Kai" Subject: joni on AOL Saw this item in Music Boulevard and was wondering if any list member was on AOL in 95 to ask joni any questions. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:04:24 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: RE: vote for joni oops! Sorry--there's my bad reading comprehension again. I am skimming too much lately in an effort to keep up with jmdl poundage!! NEVERMIND--WAIT TO VOTE FOR BLUE! Thanks, Kai, Sue >Sue. the current vote decade is the 60's. The 70's are coming up next. >Kai > ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:06:03 -0700 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: vote for joni Wong, Kai wrote: The 70's will > be a tough one for us to choose, let us maximize joni's votes and stick > to one album as the top choice - Blue? > > Kai Why stick to one album? There are 10 slots on the list, right? I count 8 albums that Joni released in the 70's (nine if you count 'Miles of Aisles'). I say we fill our lists up with her albums and rock the Joni vote! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:52:01 -0600 From: Brett Code Subject: RE: vote for joni Seems to me that if the point is to get Joni in the top 10, it would be better to vote for Court and Spark. At least then there's a good chance that all those 'Raised on Robbery' lovers out there will vote with us. Brett np: FTR, which has recently replaced Hejira at the top of my JM list - I just can't hear it often enough, loud enough, soft enough - going deeper and deeper inside. - ---------- From: Susan McNamara Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 7:38 AM To: Wong, Kai; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: vote for joni I totally agree with Kai on this one. Vote for Blue, although I love Clouds I wonder why they picked that one instead of the obvious choice. If we are talking the top 100 of Rock, Blue should be in the top 20 and I don't believe Clouds should be on the list at all . Sorry I must be honest here. I'm going to write in Blue. Take care, Sue Already started my Garden natural high!!! :-) > >I just voted for joni and she is still NOT in the Top 10 as of Wed 9:30 >am, so do get over there and generate some buzz for joni. The 70's will >be a tough one for us to choose, let us maximize joni's votes and stick >to one album as the top choice - Blue? > >Kai ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:10:31 -0500 From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com Subject: Re: vote for joni count me in as another vote for Blue at wallofsound. vote for Blue! http://www.wallofsound.com/ Sherrie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:47:21 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: joni on AOL In a message dated 8/12/98 9:45:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kwong@bev.etn.com writes: << Saw this item in Music Boulevard and was wondering if any list member was on AOL in 95 to ask joni any questions. >> Yes, I was at that online conference and even saved it..but lost it when my computer crashed. Sheesh. The way it works is, people can ask as many questions as they want, but only a handful are chosen. I asked probably a few dozen questions and they did pick one, but it was THE lamest question- I was beside myself, typing up a frenzy and praying they'd choose mine. What was the question? (the older listers will remember): "What instrument do you wish you knew how to play"? Answer: "the drums". Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:52:04 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: vote for joni In a message dated 8/12/98 11:13:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sherrie.good@chronicle.com writes: << count me in as another vote for Blue at wallofsound. vote for Blue! http://www.wallofsound.com/ >> Aren't they still taking albums from the 60's? Wasn't Blue released in 1971? Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:00:00 -0500 From: Diana Duncan Subject: NJC Aug. '69/Cheesey music At 04:09 PM 8/11/1998 -0400, Sue wrote: >Ahhhhh! >Jim, this made me roll right out of my chair with laughter !!!! I have to agree with Sue. I LOL when I read Jim's account of Aug. '69. Quite a parody of us old fogies' recollections. So many radio stations are now doing 80's retrospectives. My daughter is enjoying it like I do the 60's stuff. She mentioned how much of it is cheesey and is a little embarrassed to love it. That reminded me of the thread we had about our fond memories of cheesey music. You know ,the "Hanson" music of each era. What is it about 11 or 12 year olds that draws them to this mindless, light, skippy music. How about a question about what is the cheesiest song you are the most embarrassed about loving to hear on the radio? When you're alone, you sing along but if anyone else is around you turn it immediately? Something that reminds you of when you were 12. I guess mine would have to be "Johnny Angel" by Shelly Fabares. But I know there are others that I just can't think of now. How about you? Diana, Taking over for Julie with the NJC while she's gone. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:49:10 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: NJC Cheesey music I think my favorite guilty pleasure song is Whitney Houston's "Greatest Love of All." I *DESPISE* Whitney, especially for ruining one of Dolly's masterpieces, but for some reason that song really touched me when it was released. I was about 12 at the time, so you can imagine... I can't imagine what I'd do if I actually heard the song now. [shiver]. - --Michael (guess where I was during Woodstock, heh heh) NP: Massive Attack, _Blue Lines_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:52:54 -0700 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: August, 1969 OK, I'll bite: In the summer of '69, I was 10 1/2. Had a morning job delivering the Star Ledger. I used to get complaints because I delivered it too early and the thud of the paper on old fashioned porches woke people up. Spent my time with my dog and watching the Miracle Mets, playing nun, listening to my sister Pat's Beatle albums, swimming in our Doughboy, snooping through my older sisters' dresser drawers and riding my bike. I had a crush on Cleon Jones and Tommy Agee. Since my sister Pat was still a couple of years away from discovering Joni, I was as well. MG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:29:05 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: vote for joni Mark in Seattle wrote: <<>> But I need room for Marvin, Stevie, Patti, Blondie, the Roches, the Clash, Bowie, etc. _Blue_ and HOSL will definitely be on my list, and _Hejira_ might sneak on there, but I just can't bring myself to pretend that _Miles of Aisles_ is superior to _What's Going On_. I like the plan of voting for _Blue_ then adding any other personal faves each person may wish to. - --Michael NP: Massive Attack, _Blue Lines_, which will be on my '90s list along w/ NRH ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:25:19 +0100 From: "Twomey" Subject: Brian Kennedy on Joni Hi all, Here's a Q&A new addition to Brian's official website: Q: On the recent West Coast tour, we were at the second night's  show at the Gorge Amphitheatre. Although I enjoy your backup singing  with Van, I was very disappointed that you did not get to sing solo during Van's set (as it seems you did at almost every other venue on that tour!) Why didn't you? Was it just a bad night? Joni Mitchell's music got me thru high school (!!) -- how was touring with her--did you get to hang out with her much, sing with her?  She seems very friendly onstage. Brian: I don't always get to sing solo on Van shows, sometimes there are time restrictions - sometimes Van feels like going straight on - it's a very changeable easy going thing - we do what feels right on the night. Joni Mitchell is an incredibly generous spirited person, meeting her only increased my admiration for her gifts - a lovely warm woman with time for everyone - she gave me a beautiful compliment and an amazing print of her new album cover - we all nearly performed together but it didn't pan out - she asked me to sing on 'I shall be released' - the Dylan song - It really was an unforgettable tour.  Thanks B.K. The URL for this website is http://www.briankennedy.co.uk Sean :-) Kate Bush News & Information http://www.clubi.ie/twomey/katebush.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:50:51 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: vote for joni I wrote: <<>> And I was referring to the *'70s* vote next week. Sorry for any confusion. - --Michael NP: Radiohead, _OK Computer_ (another definite best of the '90s, in fact a top 10 of all time IMO) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:03:29 +0000 From: michael paz Subject: Twisted HI Kate (LOOKING FOR SHEET MUSIC TO TWISTED) Did someone respond to you? I have a copy of the Court and Spark songbook. Can I help you out? Peace, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:23:31 -0500 From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com Subject: adding votes for Joni okay, Michael 'splained we are only voting for 60s records this week. so i tried to add "Song To A Seagull" as a title, but nothing happens. even when i type in the dreaded title "Joni Mitchell" nothing happens. why can't i add my own selections in that field at the top of the page? sherrie SP: Patty Loveless ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:54:08 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Liz Phair on Letterman tonight (NJC) Hi everyone, I just thought I'd let the Liz Phair fans on the list (and anyone else who is interested in checking her out, for that matter) know that she will be appearing on 'Late Show with David Letterman' tonight to perform "Polyester Bride," the first single from her new album _whitechocolatespaceegg_. Liz's new record is an incredible piece of work; I can't get over just how good it is. It's much more varied and textured than her past efforts, while maintaining the same emotional directness. By far, this is my favorite album of the year so far. Jase ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:00:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - August 13 1974: Tonight Joni performs the first of five nights in a row at the Universal Amphitheater in Universal City, California. These five dates are recorded for editing as the Miles Of Aisles album, released 3 months later. A review of the album/concert appears in Rolling Stone early in 1975. Find it at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/revmars.htm List-member Steve Dulson was there with his camera... see his photo at: http://members.aol.com/tinkerjoni/joni.html - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:58:56 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Endless Harmony (NJC) For Beach Boys aficianados and aficianadas ~ the documentary "Endless Harmony: The Beach Boys and Their Music" will air on VH-1 starting August 23rd. A CD of the same name was released yesterday which includes mostly previously unreleased live, studio and alternate recordings. This sounds good. Check out the liner notes at http://www.mindspring.com/~sfrazier/endless.htm BTW, Pet Sounds is still holding strong on the Wall of Sound list and Jimi is in the No. 2 spot (Yes!), but still no Joni ;-( Happy Trails to the Gardeners! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:35:22 EDT From: kbarnicle@ensr.com Subject: Joni Pictures! I was just performing a search on Alta Vista when I clicked on the advertisement to create a card on the "Corbis Picture Experience" I did a search for Joni Mitchell and they have 75 pictures of her! Wowie, Zowie! Just think of all the cyber-cards we can send with JoniJoniJoniJoni! Does anyone know what this is about? Are these photos in the public domain? I like the one entitled Joni and some guy named Larry. Who could that be? Try it out at www.safari.altavista.digital.com Katie from the Cape ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:52:51 EDT From: BH1248@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Some Flowers Bloom on the Page This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_902958772_boundary Content-ID: <0_902958772@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII My AOL news service found the text "Joni Mitchell" in this article so I'm forwarding to you all. Enjoy. Bob NP: Liz Phair, "whitechocolatespaceegg" - --part0_902958772_boundary Content-ID: <0_902958772@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: AOLNews@aol.com Return-path: Subject: Some Flowers Bloom on the Page Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:06:11 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Some Flowers Bloom on the Page .c The Associated Press By GEORGE BRIA POUND RIDGE, N.Y. (AP) - ``But though an old man, I am but a young gardener.'' These words, perhaps America's most cherished gardening quotation, are Thomas Jefferson's in a letter to a friend two years after his presidency ended in 1809. He was 66 and had 15 more years to live. Anyone taking a pause from trowel and hoe for a bit of browsing will find literature rich in such gems. One good new source of quotes is Martin Hoyle's ``The Gardener's Perpetual Almanack'' (1997, Thames & Hudson, Inc., $12.95 hardcover). Another is Maria Polushkin Robbins' ``A Gardener's Bouquet of Quotations'' (Nal-Dutton, paper $8.95). And, of course, there is the periodically updated classic, ``Bartlett's Familiar Quotations.'' I tend to like reflective sayings about wishes fulfilled or yearned for in the garden. The Roman poet Horace put it this way 2,000 years ago: ``This used to be among my prayers - a piece of land not so very large, which would contain a garden, and near the house a spring of ever-flowing water, and beyond these a bit of wood.'' And St. Augustine (354-430): ``When all is said and done, is there any more wonderful sight, any moment when man's reason is nearer to some sort of contact with the nature of the world, than the sowing of seeds, the planting of cuttings, the transplanting of shrubs, or the grafting of slips?'' Said America's 19th-century poet John Greenleaf Whittier: ``Who sows a field, or trains a flower, ``Or plants a tree , is more than all.'' Rabelais (1490-1553), the French humanist and satirist, said: ``Oh thrice and four times happy those who plant cabbages.'' And his compatriot, the essayist Montaigne (1533-92), went a step further: ``I want death to find me planting my cabbages.'' Why cabbages, you might ask. Well, they could mean vegetables in general. And don't forget that at that time today's superstar crops - tomatoes, peppers, beans, corn - were still to come to Europe from the New World. No literary genealogy can match that of the garden. As the English philosopher-statesman Francis Bacon (1561-1626) put it: ``God Almighty first planted a garden.'' And Thomas Browne (1605-82), English author and physician, specified: ``Gardens were before gardeners and but some hours after the earth.'' For its philosophical resonance, probably literature's best-known garden quote comes from 18th-century French author Voltaire's ``Candide'': ``We must cultivate our garden.'' Two hundred years later, the idea rang just as insistently in Joni Mitchell's ``Woodstock'': ``And we've got to get ourselves ``Back to the garden.'' In ``Big Yellow Taxi,'' Mitchell also raised a spectral vision: ``They paved paradise ``And put up a parking lot.'' He could get an argument about this, but Irish playwright George Bernard Shaw said: ``Gardening is the only unquestionably useful job.'' Few look at it as a mere pastime, however. ``Let no one think that real gardening is a bucolic and meditative occupation,'' said Czech novelist Karel Capek (1890-1938.) ``It is an insatiable passion, like everything else to which a man gives his heart.'' And the work sometimes calls for pain-killers. ``What a man needs in gardening is a cast-iron back, with a hinge in it,'' said American journalist Charles Dudley Warner (1829-1900.) England's Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936) versified: ``Oh Adam was a gardener, and God who made him sees That half a proper gardener's Work is done upon his knees.'' Slothful weeders might heed Victorian English writer Alfred Austin's warning: ``Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are.'' Being an asparagus grower, I can testify to the truth of this from ``Poor Robin's Almanack'' in 1808: ``About the seasons of the year, Astrologers may make a fuss; But this I know, that spring is here When I can eat asparagus.'' Comes this spoof from Don Marquis: ``He worked like hell in the country so he could live in the city, where he worked like hell so he could live in the country.'' But from the ridiculous it's nice to go to the sublime with Emily Dickinson: ``No wilderness can be Where this attendeth me No Desert Noon No fear of frost to come Haunt the perennial bloom But certain June!'' With that, an end to browsing and back to the trowel. As author Christine Allison said in 1995 in her ``365 Days of Gardening'': ``Reading is good, but the garden is the best teacher.'' George Bria retired from the AP in 1981 after 40 years that included coverage of World War II from Italy. AP-NY-08-12-98 1202EDT Copyright 1998 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without prior written authority of The Associated Press. To edit your profile, go to keyword NewsProfiles. For all of today's news, go to keyword News. - --part0_902958772_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:07:46 -0700 From: Liz Johnson Subject: woodstock (not much Joni content) August of 1969, I was 3 years old - JUST about to turn 4, my birthday is in September. So I don't really remember Woodstock either. What I can imagine that I was doing was playing out in the backyard with the puppies - I had a really cool fort that my dad had built for me. I'm sure I was also dragging around my Smoky Bear stuffed animal - I carried it around with me all of the time until one night I left it out in the fort. Can you guess what happened? The puppies ripped Smoky to bits, I was heartbroken! I don't post much to the list but just felt like it today. I've been having a really tough time recently, I am in the process of loosing my job and have been feeling really down and depressed. I'm starting to look for a new job - I found 3 leads today, and am hoping to pull myself out of this depression that I have been in. I've just been feeling really 'stuck' and 'trapped' in my life - like things are always going to be just like they are now. I know this isn't true but I've really been down for the last few months. I'm starting to be interested in life again - for the longest time I just wanted to sit on the couch and eat - not really very positive, eh? I'm looking forward to leaving this awful work situation and am giving serious thought to sueing my employer, I was set up to fail in this job by my boss, treated like a dog and now being asked to leave. I don't want him continuing to treat people as badly as he treated me. Things are getting back on track with my mate, I really haden't been 'in' the relationship for the past year but am now seeing that we have a good thing and that it is worth working at. I'm starting to play hockey again - my TRUE love in life. My league games will start early next month, I've been skating and playing a lot, loosing weight and getting fit again. Nothing helps a good depression go away like a lot of exercise!...for me anyway. I've been really interested in reading through the JMDL's too. For awhile, it was overwhelming and I could just skim through them but I've been really interested in reading through them completely for the last few days. So, it's been a tough year for me but I am finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel - sadsack Liz is going away and happy-go-lucky Liz is finally showing her face again. Thanks for letting me vent and share, when you dig down deep...well, you all know the rest, have a good day at Woodstock everybody! cheers, Liz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:14:45 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: Musikfest (NJC) I attended last year for the David Grisman Quintet, but I know nothing of the band you've inquired about. Not planning on going this year. Doing Woodstock instead, hopefully. gdave NP: Tape of the Day: 8/12/88 Hot Tuna: Chestnut Caberet, Philadelphia, PA. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:33:08 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: i will always love you (njc) and massive attack michael, you wrote > > I *DESPISE* Whitney, especially for ruining one of Dolly's masterpieces, oh, i've always been really happy that so many people have heard one of dolly's best songs. about a year before whitney's version, i saw dolly on a late night show and she was asked, 'do you have any regrets?' she said, 'well, i wrote this one song, and i always thought it should be a hit". she had recorded 'i will always love you' twice, and it was supposed to be a big hit from the soundtrack of 'best little whorehouse' (talk about guilty pleasures, i LOVE that movie). whitney no more ruined it than she does any song. she just whitneyized it, but it still came through as a great song. you wrote >NP: Massive Attack, _Blue Lines_ i gave this a spin last weekend and thought about you folks, wondering if you knew it. one of the most terrific albums i've ever heard. a huge range of songs, from soul-beat pop, very early trip-hop, a truly cool cover of 'be thankful for what you've got' and a great rethinking of the 'anthem' concept in 'hymn of the big wheel' (and i love rock anthems). shara nelson's vocal on 'unfinished sympathy' is an all-time chill-inducer. i also noticed for the first time the source of the piano figure on mary j blige's 'i love you', another deep favorite. patrick np - massive attack - mezzanine and then you later wrote >Massive Attack, _Blue Lines_, which will be on my '90s list along w/ NRH glad to know i'm preaching to the converted. these two, plus siberry's maria, are in my pantheon of great music as well. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:02:14 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: Joni in Lauryn Hill review and *another* Liz Phair review I've been oh-so-f**king-patiently awaiting the release of Lauryn Hill's (aka one of the Fugees) solo album, which has already received a 9 out of 10 from Spin and 4 out of 5 stars from Rolling Stone. Reading Rolling Stone's review online, I came across this: ... the very timbre of [Hill's] voice -- that deep, oven-roasted sound when rhyming, the sweet, melancholy-tinged midrange she owns when singing, the way she always comes confidently from deep within her chest -- it communicates a self-respect and self-love. The sound of a woman who takes herself seriously. A sound that recalls, for me, the sharp, strong voice of Joni Mitchell. Joni seems a musical North Star for Lauryn, with her biting honesty, her musical innovativeness that's never exposed in an ornate or showy way, her confidence to keep it simple. Both speak universal truths from a definitely female perch. And in Details review of Liz Phair's _whitechocolatespaceegg_: With [spaceegg], Phair has become less of a confessor, like Joni Mitchell, and more of a storyteller. I'm not sure what that quote means. Probably that the reviewer never listened to any post-_Blue_ Joni. The Rolling Stone review can be found at http://www.rollingstone.com. - --Michael NP: Me'Shell NdegeOcello, _Peace Beyond Passion_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:33:50 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: Re: vote for joni On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Wong, Kai wrote: > I just voted for joni and she is still NOT in the Top 10 as of Wed 9:30 > am, so do get over there and generate some buzz for joni. The 70's will > be a tough one for us to choose, let us maximize joni's votes and stick > to one album as the top choice - Blue? > > Kai Nah, Hejira...or DJRD, no? I know, we all plan a planned list of Joni albums from the seventies..and then we all write in the same/similar list so then only Joni advances forth to the next round! Let's see what could it be..... Hejira Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Blue Forthe Roses Hissing of Summer Lawns Minggus Miles of Aisles Shadows and Light (or is that 80s...can't remember) anyway I've probably missed one or two...I don't have any dates handy...and BTW what hapened to Ladies of the Canyon in all this...was it not a 60s one? does it not get a vote too? Anyway, the above will be MY 70s vote...anyone else? helen. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:39:15 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: oops missed one! OOPS I knew I'd miss one, just plucking them out of the top of my head like that..... Court and Spark's gotta get in there somewhere. Earlier I wrote: Nah, Hejira...or DJRD, no? I know, we all plan a planned list of Joni albums from the seventies..and then we all write in the same/similar list so then only Joni advances forth to the next round! Let's see what could it be..... Hejira Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Blue Forthe Roses Hissing of Summer Lawns Court and Spark Minggus Miles of Aisles Shadows and Light (or is that 80s...can't remember) anyway I've probably missed one or two...I don't have any dates handy...and BTW what hapened to Ladies of the Canyon in all this...was it not a 60s one? does it not get a vote too? Anyway, the above will be MY 70s vote...anyone else? helen. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:57:34 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: vote for joni I love Joni, but I could not honestly vote for her albums among the top 10 of the '60s. I had Revolver, Sgt. Pepper, Santana, Doors, Bookends, Parsley Sage, Surrealistic Pillow, Led Zep I, Electric Ladyland and I forget the last one. After looking over the list, I don't know that I'd put either of Joni's '60s albums in my top 20. However, I promise that I'll find a place for at least one of her albums, if not two, among my votes for albums of the '70s. Maybe even three -- Blue, For the Roses and Court and Spark. And then there's Hejira. Next week will be very tough picking. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:04:34 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: vote for joni Helen wrote a list of Joni's '70s albums then: <<>> Um, mine will be: Joni Mitchell, _Blue_ Joni Mitchell, _Hissing of Summer Lawns_ Patti Smith, _Horses_ Big Star, _#1 Record_ Marvin Gaye, _What's Going On_ Stevie Wonder, _Innervisions_ Blondie, _Parallel Lines_ The Who, _Who's Next_ The Roches, _The Roches_ The Clash, _London Calling_ There are about 25 other albums (including _Hejira_) that could worm their way in there. While I understand and agree with the impulse to organize around getting *one* of Joni's albums in there, I find the idea of voting for all Joni all the time, especially in the context of the wide variety of great '70s music, a little noxious. Of course, some people may actually think that everything Joni released in the '70s was better than everything anyone else at all released then. If so, then please vote that way, then send me your address so I can make you a mixtape right away! ;-) - --Michael, music fan NP: Patti Smith, _Easter_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:05:37 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: This Just In........... Hello All- I was minding my own business, playing piano in the living room and Mikey alerted me that Joni was on MTV. I jumped outta my chair like I was shot and flipped the damn TV on. She was on MTV news apparently being interviewed about Back To The Garden. It sounded like the shit was hitting the fan...if I understood what was going on, Joni and Stevie were getting $450,000 (that's six figures for you folks keeping track of her income) and Henley and Townsend are getting $550,000. WOW! I don't guess there is any argument of weather or not it's a mans world or not. That really sucks. I am also kinda shocked that the fees are that high to begin with. Must have something to do with movie/tv/record rights/advances, etc. I hope I misunderstood all this, but who knows. I will keep my ear tuned to MTV to see if I can catch it again. Later, Michael NP-Love Puts On A New Face ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:24:58 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: RE: vote for suzzy Ah yes, The Roches, of course, well they'll get in there among the other Joni's in my NOXIOUS selection ;-).....innervisions too. i think that self titled Roches would win the best Roches album of all time competition wouldn't it? Neil Young did some wonderful things in the 70s. So did my mum: she had me in 79! Patti Smith hmm? I'll be seeing her on the 21st alongside Bob Dylan...i eagerly await! Helly. On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Michael Yarbrough wrote: > Um, mine will be: > > Joni Mitchell, _Blue_ > Joni Mitchell, _Hissing of Summer Lawns_ > Patti Smith, _Horses_ > Big Star, _#1 Record_ > Marvin Gaye, _What's Going On_ > Stevie Wonder, _Innervisions_ > Blondie, _Parallel Lines_ > The Who, _Who's Next_ > The Roches, _The Roches_ > The Clash, _London Calling_ > > There are about 25 other albums (including _Hejira_) that could > worm their way in there. While I understand and agree with the > impulse to organize around getting *one* of Joni's albums in > there, I find the idea of voting for all Joni all the time, especially > in the context of the wide variety of great '70s music, a little > noxious. > > Of course, some people may actually think that everything Joni > released in the '70s was better than everything anyone else at > all released then. If so, then please vote that way, then send > me your address so I can make you a mixtape right away! ;-) > > --Michael, music fan > > NP: Patti Smith, _Easter_ > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:05:08 -0400 From: "Bob" Subject: Blue River Does anybody know if the Eric Anderson album " Blue River" , which i believe included a guest appearance by Joni ,has been re-issued on CD. Thanks- jazzfreak@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:32:29 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Lead Baloon Hi, gang, Leslie and I had the pleasure of hearing Wally's advance copy of TTT last weekend, and I had a thought about the song "Lead Balloon". If you've heard it, then you know that it's a rocker, with lots of fuzz guitar, and that it has lyrics about some of Joni's discouraging experiences with the high and mighty in the music business. Which reminds me of a story... When ex-Yardbirds Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, John Paul Jones and John Bonham announced that they were going to start their own band, the irrepressible Keith Moon, drummer for the Who, said the venture would "go down like a lead balloon". Keith's quip amused the fellows, though, and actually provided the inspiration for the name of the band - Led Zeppelin - which was to sell far more albums than the Who had dreamed possible. Is it just coincidence that Joni wrote a song called "Lead Balloon?" about the music industry, with a thumping beat and lots of distortion on the guitar? Oh, probably. But she does know Plant from his negotiating with her to record her songs, and Page has stated his admiration for her in no less that glowing terms... Well, anyway, it gives us something to ponder while awaiting the official release. ;) Cheers, Steve Mixon (Leslie's Ole Man) Leslie Mixon stevem@cruzio.com http://www.cruzio.com/~stevem ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:33:36 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Blue River Bob asked: > Does anybody know if the Eric Anderson album " Blue River" , which i > believe included a guest appearance by Joni ,has been re-issued on CD. > Thanks- jazzfreak@earthlink.net Yes, I saw it last year at CDNow.com but didn't order it. Do you recommend it? Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:39:13 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Lead Baloon Hi Steve > Is it just coincidence that Joni wrote a song called "Lead Balloon?" about > the music industry, with a thumping beat and lots of distortion on the > guitar? Oh, probably. But she does know Plant from his negotiating with > her to record her songs, and Page has stated his admiration for her in no > less that glowing terms... The first time I heard LB I thought it was a deliberate connection to Led Zep, (but then again I always look for metaphoric meanings in lyrics, especially Joni's!) Can't wait to get my copy of TTT - I'm gonna blast that song out into the streets! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 98 05:21:09 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Re: Lead Balloon (some of Joni's comments) Here's what Joni has to say about Lead Balloon in the May 1997 Vanity Fair interview with Bill Flanagan: "I've written a rock song," Mitchell told the table. "It's called 'Lead Balloon.' I wrote it for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. It begins, 'You can kiss my ass."' The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, under steady pressure from The New York Times, had finally voted Mitchell in. She had not decided if she would show up for the induction in May. ------------------------------------ "We know how to swing," Joni said, nodding to her new partner, Brian Blade, behind his drums. "Now we'll see if we know how to rock!" She made three passes at a rhythm track, each with a different attack, then listened and chose the second take. Her engineer mentioned that it sounded like Led Zeppelin. "More like a lead balloon," Mitchell cracked. --------------------------------------- Back in the recording studio, she sat in a soft chair and lit the latest in a constant procession of the cigarettes which she won't talk about quitting. After another pass at "Lead Balloon," she started to laugh at the idea of herself "going metal." "When you play like this you understand the appeal of the big dumb rock guitar," she declared. "A little voice inside says, 'That's dumb,'but I really want to go ... " Sweeping her arm in a Pete Townshend windmill, she stuck out a leg like Chuck Berry doing his duck walk, grabbed for her smoke, and exhaled. ------------------------------------------ This is an INCREDIBLY good interview, probably one of the best I've ever read. It's available in its entirety at www.jmdl.com for those (like me) who forgot to pick up the magazine. It's a *long one* so you'll need some spare time! -Kenny On 8/13/98 12:39AM, "Kakki" wrote: Hi Steve > Is it just coincidence that Joni wrote a song called "Lead Balloon?" about > the music industry, with a thumping beat and lots of distortion on the > guitar? Oh, probably. But she does know Plant from his negotiating with > her to record her songs, and Page has stated his admiration for her in no > less that glowing terms... The first time I heard LB I thought it was a deliberate connection to Led Zep, (but then again I always look for metaphoric meanings in lyrics, especially Joni's!) Can't wait to get my copy of TTT - I'm gonna blast that song out into the streets! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:26:38 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: NJC - Camille Cosby Speaks Hi folks - Recently, a Smoe snafu prevented a number of posts from being added to the digests. Below is one of them that I repeat for the benefit of those digest members... Les USA TODAY ~ 07/08/98 AMERICA TAUGHT MY SON'S KILLER TO HATE BLACKS From our institutions to our media, racism and prejudice are omnipresent. Prejudice permeates American culture By Camille O. Cosby I believe America taught our son's killer to hate African-Americans. After Mikail Markhasev killed Ennis William Cosby on Jan. 16, 1997, he said to his friends, "I shot a Nigger. It's all over the news." This was not the first time Markhasev had attacked a Black person. In 1995, he served time in a juvenile center for stabbing a Black man who was standing at a gas station. Presumably, Markhasev did not learn to hate Black people in his native country, the Ukraine, where the Black population was near zero. Nor was he likely to see America's intolerable, stereotypical movies and television programs about Blacks, which were not shown in the Soviet Union before the killer and his family moved to America in the late 1980s. James Baldwin wrote in his book The Price of the Ticket, "The will of the people, or the State, is revealed by the State's institutions. There was not, then, nor is there, now, a single American institution which is not a racist institution." Yes, racism and prejudice are omnipresent and eternalized in America's institutions, media and myriad entities. Here are a few examples: * The Voting Rights Act signed by President Lyndon B. Johnson in 1965 will expire in 2007. Congress once again will decide whether African-Americans will be allowed to vote. No other Americans are subjected to this oppressive nonsense. * African-Americans, as well as all Americans, are brainwashed every day to respect and revere slave-owners and people who clearly waffled about race. In truth, the enslavement of millions of Africans immeasurably enriched the treasuries of America's government and individuals. Interestingly, several slave-owners' images are on America's paper currencies: George Washington ($1), Thomas Jefferson ($2), Alexander Hamilton ($10), Andrew Jackson ($20), Ulysses Grant ($50) and Benjamin Franklin ($100). Grant was the last U.S. president to own slaves. Even Abraham Lincoln ($5) said, "I do not stand pledged to the prohibition of the slave trade between the states ... I, as much as any man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the White race." * God and most Christian holy people artistically have been recreated in images of whiteness. This shrewd propaganda undeniably lessens the worthiness of most of the Earth's people. Because of those visual constructs, the churches have a deep problem with race. * America's educational institutions' dictionaries define "Black" as "harmful; hostile; disgrace; unpleasant aspects of life." "White" is described as "decent; honorable; auspicious; without malice." * A medical school at the University of Texas in Galveston conducted a controversial study primarily on Black babies from 1956 to 1962. The researchers withheld an essential fatty acid from the babies' formulas that humans need for the growth of the whole body and nervous system. Those Black babies were used as laboratory animals, and several of the infants died during the course of the study. Previously, this research had been done on dogs. This is just one of several unethical medical studies on African-Americans that has been documented. Also, racism negatively has impacted African-Americans' health. Dr. Alvin F. Poussaint, a Harvard psychiatrist says, "Some research suggests that the high prevalence of hypertension among African-Americans, compared to whites, is related directly to the stresses associated with being a Black person, living in a racist society." * D.W. Griffith's The Birth of a Nation, an undisguised racist film, was recently rated by the American Film Institute as No. 44 of America's top 100 films. This movie depicted Black people as subhuman creatures. * Gangs, such as the Ku Klux Klan, unite because of racial hatred. A gang will convince themselves that they are racially superior to "outside" groups, which must be harmed or eliminated. Violence is prevalent in America. According to Gavin de Becker's research in his book The Gift of Fear, "The energy of violence moves through our culture... Our country's murderers rob us of almost a million years of human life every year... In the past two years alone, more Americans died from gunshot wounds than were killed during the entire Vietnam War." USA TODAY recently published a report from Pride, a nonprofit drug-prevention program. Pride's survey shows that nearly one million school kids (grades six through 12) carried guns to school during the 1997-98 school year. Fifty-nine percent were white; 18% were black. More than half also used an illegal drug on a monthly basis. Ennis William Cosby was shot and killed in a middle- to upper-middle-income, predominately white community. The misperception immortalized daily by the media and other entities is that crimes are committed in poor neighborhoods inhabited by dark people. All African-Americans, regardless of their educational and economic accomplishments, have been and are at risk in America simply because of their skin colors. Sadly, my family and I experienced that to be one of America's racial truths. Most people know that facing the truth brings about healing and growth. When is America going to face its historical and current racial realities so it can be what it says it is? --------------------------------------------- Camille O. Cosby is an educator and producer. --------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #300 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?