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JMDL Digest Saturday, August 8 1998 Volume 03 : Number 295
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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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Re: Joni and money and albums [FredNow@aol.com]
Re: unclassified ["Ken (Slarty)" ]
infoseek [Denisongs@aol.com]
NJC To the Wilds ["Julie Z. Webb" ]
Re: Joni's marketing responsibilities.... [Phyliss Ward ]
Re: (NJC) Off to the Wilds ["Don Rowe" ]
Troub Payback gigs [Steve Dulson ]
More NJC accounting/promos [Mary Grace Valentinsson ]
Re: Joni and money and albums [FredNow@aol.com]
Re: NORA INN (NJC) [FredNow@aol.com]
Today in Joni History - August 8 [Today in Joni History ]
Today in Joni History - August 9 [Today in Joni History ]
Re: Today in Joni History - August 8 [Mark Domyancich ]
Re: Today in Joni History - August 8 [Mark Domyancich ]
Re: Today in Joni History - August 8 [LRFye@aol.com]
Re: NORA INN (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
NJC/Nixon's resignation memory ["Julie Z. Webb" ]
Re: August 8 , Tricky Dick and the Rockies(LJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
Re: Today in Joni History - August 8 [TerryM2442@aol.com]
WallofSound.com 100 best albums [John Lasater ]
Re: NJC/Nixon's resignation memory [TerryM2442@aol.com]
Re: August 8 , Tricky Dick and the Rockies(LJC) ["Kakki" ]
Re: NJC/Nixon's resignation memory ["Julie Z. Webb" ]
Chicago, Chicago (njc) [WirlyPearl@aol.com]
Face Lift [Michael Paz ]
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 03:39:51 EDT
From: FredNow@aol.com
Subject: Re: Joni and money and albums
Mary Grace Valentinsson wrote:
>>The record company pays the production
>>costs from their AP department.
No, that money is also advanced to the artist against their royalties. If
there are no sales, the company loses that money.
- -Fred
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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 08:58:14 -0400
From: "Ken (Slarty)"
Subject: Re: unclassified
I had this letter sent to me from a girl looking for the sheet music for
Twisted. If anyone would like to help her her address is below.
Thanks
Ken
Robert Feil wrote:
> Hi,
> My name is Kate Feil, and i am a University Student studying Music in
> Sydney, Australia. I was wondering if you could help me in finding some
> sheet music for "TWISTED" from Joni Mitchells album "Court and Spark". I
> would like to do this song for a performance assessment at uni. If you
> could be of help, please e-mail me at
> n9607310@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
> Thanks
> KATE
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:01:22 EDT
From: Denisongs@aol.com
Subject: infoseek
Hi,
I feel a little ditzlike, but when I visited the infoseek site, I got lost. I
am not sure what I will have to do to see the broadcast of the garden concert.
I found their site very confusing. (I'm still a newbie) Can anyone be my
tour guide here? Thanks!
Denise : )
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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 09:52:22 -0500
From: "Julie Z. Webb"
Subject: NJC To the Wilds
At 12:30 AM 8/7/98 EDT, Doug wrote:
>off to the wilds of the minnesota northwoods for a week of camping with
>friends-
Have a great trip Doug and all,
All of you deserve a longer email than this, but it is my unhappy
fate to seldom treat people so well as they deserve ;~D, but I will say
that I too am off to the woods, to the Laurel Highlands for solitude and
nature with family. Nothing like being in the forest, becasue nature, I
say, covers her slime, her muck, her ruins, with garments that to us, are
beautiful. She conceals the skeleton, the framework, the intestinal thick
of life, and makes fair the outside of things.
-the clueless JulieZW, Don Juan's Fertile Daughter alias Jane Austen
Lewinsky Buzzi, says allow me to Haiku you -
mother has gone:
faint sound
of a waterfall
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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 06:56:42 -0700
From: Phyliss Ward
Subject: Re: Joni's marketing responsibilities....
Ben Mulvey wrote:
> I guess an artist has to be 'hungry' for that sort of
> public recognition to go after it - you know what, deep down I don't
> think Joni cares that much for it.
I think in a way her lack of star status is a good thing for her. She has
said repeatedly that she enjoys her freedom to travel without being
recognized much. She's also commented about not liking to be put a on a
pedestal or worshiped. Perhaps her focus should be on the positive things
her status have brought her rather than the lack. If she does get invited
on the Oprah show it could be interesting. Oprah is always encouraging
people to write a gratitude journal - each night write down 5 things you are
grateful for. It could be anything from the sweet peach you ate that day to
a hit record and it really helps put things into perspective. I really want
Joni to be happy! I don't care if her songs are sad, as long as she is
content. She really has so much to be thankful for if she would just focus
on that!--
Phyliss
pward@lightspeed.net
http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward
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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 07:03:42 -0700
From: Phyliss Ward
Subject: (NJC) Off to the Wilds
I too am off to the wilds tomorrow. A cottage in Honey Harbor, Ontario,
Canada that has been in the family for generations. You have to take a
boat there - no roads. Mostly fishing and reading and eating. I'm
wrestling with bringing the lap top along. Even if I do it will be
minimal access (phone expense). So, later...
- --
Phyliss
pward@lightspeed.net
http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward
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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 07:16:20 PDT
From: "Don Rowe"
Subject: Re: (NJC) Off to the Wilds
Phyliss writes --
>wrestling with bringing the lap top along. Even if I do it will be
>minimal access (phone expense). So, later...
>
What? No wireless? No satellites? No phones 'til Friday? Now that's
roughing it ... I'm jealous! :-)
Don Rowe
>
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 07:49:10 -0700
From: Steve Dulson
Subject: Troub Payback gigs
My buddy Don wrote:
>Steve... didn't Joni do the *payback* gigs later than '68-'69?... Seems to
>me >that was early '70s. Anyone?
And deputy Swami Kakki wrote:
>I have a tape of Joni playing at the Troubadour dated from late Fall 1972.
I'll have to go home and check my Joni collage - it includes a
Troubadour ad from the LA Times, saying something like "Joni Mitchell-
5 nights (dates) - Sold Out". I'll let you know.
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Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com
"The Tinker's Own"
http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html
"Southern California Dulcimer Heritage"
http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/
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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 09:19:39 -0700
From: Mary Grace Valentinsson
Subject: More NJC accounting/promos
Steve wrote:
>>I don't know how it works at Tower, but at Borders you pay VERY
BIG BUCKS to get an in-store display, more to get on the listening
stations, more to get an end-cap display, etc., etc. They're not
promoting music out of the goodness of their hearts, they're
generating income
Actually, the in-store displays and listening stations should not add to
what you pay at a store. Valley gives out listening stations for "free" as
a promotional item. As long as the store keeps its orders from us at a
certain level, they don't pay for it at all. Same with the in-store displays.
Make no mistake about it, they are generating income. Absolutely. But if
it's coming from Valley, (one of the largest music distributors in the US),
it's a tool to promote.
Of course, now I realize that I just said the same thing that Steve did, just
put the $$ to a different source.
Sheesh.
MG
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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 12:07:17 -0500
From: Diana Duncan
Subject: NJC RealPlayer
I want to thank everyone for their information about realplayer. I figured
there was some kind of free stuff but didn't see it on the site.
I got it downloaded fine..
Now just have to figure out how to use it!
Diana, who just finished her last class for 2 weeks!!!
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:26:26 EDT
From: FredNow@aol.com
Subject: Re: Joni and money and albums
In a message dated 8/7/98 4:09:10 AM, Steve Dulson wrote:
>Joni doesn't earn a cent until those costs are paid off.
>
>Of course, thanks to ASCAP (or is it BMI?) she collects quite a few
>"little royalty pennies" on every CD pressed. That, I imagine, is her
>primary source of income.
All production and promotional costs, and any personal advances, are recouped
from what's known as the artist royalty. Royalties from BMI or ASCAP are
realized from broadcast performances (radio, TV, film) of the recordings, and
these are separate from the record company; they can't touch them to recoup.
But Joni, or any writer of the recorded songs, and the publisher of those
songs, gets paid a mechanical royalty for each song on each album sold; this
is payment for mechanical reproductions of the song. These are paid from the
first record sold, and are not supposed to be used to pay back any recoupable
costs. In some unscrupulous deals, they are anyway (called cross-
collateralization), but not in the case of an artist like Joni, or even in the
deals I've had. In fact, often it's publishing/mechanical royalties that are
the only money a songwriter ever sees, which is why it's so important to
retain at least a portion of one's own copyright and publishing. Joni has also
earned a lot of mechanical royalties from recordings of her songs by other
people.
- -Fred
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:30:29 EDT
From: FredNow@aol.com
Subject: Re: NORA INN (NJC)
In a message dated 8/7/98 4:09:10 AM, Steve Dulson wrote:
>Well, THIS half asleep idiot read it as NORAINN, NORAINN, and
>I wondered which female Irish singer gr8fulDave was going on about!
It's not a singer, it's an area on the west coast of Ireland. The rain in
Norainn falls mainly on the plain.
- -Fred
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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 12:36:00 -0600
From: Today in Joni History
Subject: Today in Joni History - August 8
1974: Joni performs at Pineknob in Detroit and announces on stage that the
president of the United States has just resigned.
1979: Joni performs at Pineknob in Detroit on the Shadows & Light Tour
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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 12:37:00 -0600
From: Today in Joni History
Subject: Today in Joni History - August 9
1974: Joni performs in Toronto.
1979: Today's issue of Downbeat Magazine contains a review of the album
"Mingus":
"From all reports, the trepidation in Jon Mitchell's heart as to how this
project might be accepted has been matched only by the skepticism of scores
of jazz purists. But the proof is here, and Joni and her critics can forget
their fears. Mingus is so ambitious, so painstakingly constructed and so
special, that even in those moments when the deed fails, the thought
carries the day. And when it all clicks as on "Porkpie Hat", which, after
three hearings, I can no longer listen to dry-eyed--it soars with the
breadth and majesty Mingus so often achieved."
Full article: http://www.jonimitchell.com/downbeat79.html
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:25:55 -0500
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - August 8
Any more info on this?
On 8/7/98 at 1:36 PM, Today in Joni History wrote:
>1974: Joni performs at Pineknob in Detroit and announces on stage that ์the
>president of the United States has just resigned.๎
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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 15:33:59 -0400
From: Jerry Notaro
Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - August 8
Mark Domyancich wrote:
> Any more info on this?
>
> On 8/7/98 at 1:36 PM, Today in Joni History wrote:
>
> >1974: Joni performs at Pineknob in Detroit and announces on stage that ์the
> >president of the United States has just resigned.
Assuming you are too young to remember, Nixon announced he was resigning from
the presidency. It was such a huge event that I remember being at the movies in
Canada, Sugarland Express was the film, and they stopped the film to announce
it. So I'm sure it was important enough news for Joni to announce at her
concert. Besides, Nixon was vehemntly despised by most young people at the
time, and his leaving office was thrilling news.
Jerry
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:36:10 -0500
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: AOL Mail (NJC)
Hi everyone-
Is anybody else having trouble sending mail to AOL users?
Just curious...
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 16:11:09 -0500
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - August 8
I was 7 years too young!
On 8/7/98 at 2:33 PM, Jerry Notaro wrote:
>Assuming you are too young to remember, Nixon announced he was resigning from
>the presidency. It was such a huge event that I remember being at the
>movies in
>Canada, Sugarland Express was the film, and they stopped the film to announce
>it. So I'm sure it was important enough news for Joni to announce at her
>concert. Besides, Nixon was vehemntly despised by most young people at the
>time, and his leaving office was thrilling news.
>
>Jerry
>
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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 14:31:10 PDT
From: "Don Rowe"
Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - August 8
Jerry writes ...
>Assuming you are too young to remember, Nixon announced he was
resigning from
>the presidency. It was such a huge event that I remember being at the
movies in
>Canada, Sugarland Express was the film, and they stopped the film to
announce
>it. So I'm sure it was important enough news for Joni to announce at
her
>concert. Besides, Nixon was vehemntly despised by most young people at
the
>time, and his leaving office was thrilling news.
>
I remember staying at my grandparent's house (I was 11 -- that's one
higher)that evening, and remember an interruption of The Lawrence Welk
Show when the announcement was made ... come on list, where were you
when?
Don Rowe
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:36:17 EDT
From: LRFye@aol.com
Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - August 8
Don asked:
> come on list, where were you when?
When Nixon resigned, I was 16 in Ohio. I remember watching his resignation on
a black & white television in my room. I was sad and embarrassed for our
country, yet happy, too ...
Lori
in San Antonio
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:31:49 EDT
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: NORA INN (NJC)
In a message dated 8/7/98 2:33:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, FredNow@aol.com
writes:
<<
>Well, THIS half asleep idiot read it as NORAINN, NORAINN, and
>I wondered which female Irish singer gr8fulDave was going on about!
It's not a singer, it's an area on the west coast of Ireland. The rain in
Norainn falls mainly on the plain.
>>
By George, I think he's GOT it!
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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 20:36:31 -0500
From: "Julie Z. Webb"
Subject: NJC/Nixon's resignation memory
Dan wrote:
>I remember staying at my grandparent's house (I was 11 -- that's one
>higher)that evening, and remember an interruption of The Lawrence Welk
>Show when the announcement was made ... come on list, where were you
>when (Nixon announced he was resigning from the presidency.) Show when the
announcement was made ... come on list, where were you
>when?
Hi Don,
We're leaving for a vaca in a few hours, but I just have to
respond. That particular moment was most memorable for me when I was in 9th
grade in western Pennsylvania. My grandfather, a democrat who lived in
eastern Ohio, had not yet retired from his union, managment position with a
coal company. Everyday he would come home from work, and my grandmother
had a "highball" waiting for him on the stand next to his den chair in
front of the TV. He would watch a little television before dinner while
sipping his drink and holding and petting their french poodle, "Topo Gigio
Pierre." That particular night, he was watching the "Lawrence Welk Show,"
and suddenly Nixon interrupted the program with that famous announcement.
My Grandfather, Harry, yelled out "Lib" to my grandmother, and then his
head nodded off and he died. The dog jumped off of him and walked away.
-JulieZW
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 20:49:06 EDT
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: August 8 , Tricky Dick and the Rockies(LJC)
Jerry N. wrote:
<< Assuming you are too young to remember, Nixon announced he was
resigning from the presidency. It was such a huge event that I remember being
at the movies in Canada, Sugarland Express was the film, and they stopped the
film to
announce it. ...
And dgrowe@hotmail.com writes:
I remember staying at my grandparent's house (I was 11 -- that's one
higher)that evening, and remember an interruption of The Lawrence Welk
Show when the announcement was made ... come on list, where were you
when?>>
I was 20 and in the middle of a trip through the Rockies with my cousin who
was a month younger than I. Another friend who started out on the trip with us
(the morning after I saw Joni in concert for the third and last time, so
far...) had come down with mono and we had dropped him off at the Denver
airport a few days earlier.
My cousin Dave and I were on our way to visit his older sister in Aspen later
in the week. We had some cassettes with us, but that day we mostly listened to
the radio as we drove, listening to the never-ending reports on Nixon's
situation and the news conferenece he had called for that night.
We stopped for the night at a campground near Nederland, Colo., which was a
pretty cool town despite all the highway signs making it look like a speed
trap.
We checked in to the campground and we lucky enough to get the spot nearest
the top of the mountain; a spot so desireable the owners only people have it
for one night.
So as evening fell and we cooked our dinner with a view of Rocky Mountain
National Park in the distance, we continued to hear the reporter's speculation
.
We sat around our campfire and got stoned with some other travelers and then,
finally, Nixon came on the air and gave us the good news that this time we
really wouldn't have Dick Nixon to kick around anymore.
We smoked a little more weed in celebration after we hiked the short walk up
to the peak and watched the stars. Coincidentally, that night was the middle
of the annual Pleides meteor shower.
I'd seen shooting stars before, but had never seen a meteor shower from a
mountain peak before. I was incredible, with hundreds of meteors streaking
through the moonless sky at a variety of angles.
It was as if the heavens were celebrating with us the end of the Nixon era.
Paul I
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 21:06:35 EDT
From: TerryM2442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - August 8
In a message dated 8/7/98 3:30:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Harpua@revealed.net writes:
<< Any more info on this?
On 8/7/98 at 1:36 PM, Today in Joni History wrote:
>1974: Joni performs at Pineknob in Detroit and announces on stage that ์the
>president of the United States has just resigned.๎
>>
I was there! All I can remember is that there was a lot of hoopla in the
audience when she announced it. Suze, where you there??
Terry
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 22:02:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Lasater
Subject: WallofSound.com 100 best albums
Hey JMDL'ers...
Just a quick note to inform you that wallofsound.com is polling their
readers (browsers? surfers?) on their 100 favorite albums of all time.
Each week, they'll highlight a different decade. You get to vote for 10
albums from the 60's this week. I was delighted to discover that
"Clouds" was one of their nominees for best album of the 60's.
(Surpisingly enough, they included Fairport Convention and Leonard Cohen
in their list as well.)
So, point your browsers to www.wallofsound.com and pick your favorites.
If you're not happy with their list of nominees, you can write in your
own.
By the way, this is my first time posting.
Greetings from Durham, NC.
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John Lasater
"I would like to become the person my dog thinks I am." -Anonymous
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 22:08:34 EDT
From: TerryM2442@aol.com
Subject: Re: NJC/Nixon's resignation memory
In a message dated 8/7/98 8:32:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jzw@visint.com
writes:
<< My Grandfather, Harry, yelled out "Lib" to my grandmother, and then his
head nodded off and he died. The dog jumped off of him and walked away. >>
This has to be about the most bizarre story I've read in a long time.
Terry
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:40:37 -0700
From: "Kakki"
Subject: Re: August 8 , Tricky Dick and the Rockies(LJC)
Paul wrote:
> Another friend who started out on the trip with us
> (the morning after I saw Joni in concert for the third and last time, so
> far...) had come down with mono and we had dropped him off at the Denver
> airport a few days earlier.
Ha! What was your friend's name? I was recovering from mono and living with
my parents while eagerly looking forward to seeing Joni in a week at Universal
Amphitheatre for what became MOA.
Kakki
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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 23:39:40 -0500
From: "Julie Z. Webb"
Subject: Re: NJC/Nixon's resignation memory
At 10:08 PM 8/7/98 EDT, Terry wrote that I wrote:
><< My Grandfather, Harry, yelled out "Lib" to my grandmother, and then his
>>> head nodded off and he died. The dog jumped off of him and walked away.
>This has to be about the most bizarre story I've read in a long time.
Hey Terry,
Well, ok, you and the Kingpin on AOL Chat caught me in the middle of
packing the last bag.... to force me to ponder this anniversary of my
grandfather's death.
We think so too (that it was wierd and sort of funny, now,) but not so
much because of the timliness of Nixon's announcement....although that made
it somehow poetic......First of all my grandfather loved Lawrence Welk and
secondly he was a Kennedy-lovin Catholic. In their dining room was a
painting of "The Last Supper,"and right next to it----a painted profile
plate of Jackie and Jack. My grandfather hated Nixon.
We also thought that the dog jumping off of him when he died and
completely avoiding him for the long till the ambulance came which was
much later-----was pretty wierd, afterall the dog was my Grandpa's constant
companion. I mean, Gramps
died sitting up with hardly any movement....My mother said that somehow
the dog sensed that Grandp's spirit left.
-JulieZW, love you Grandpa, if it wasn't for Dan Rowe's post triggering a
memory with the Lawrence Welk/Nixon thread, I would have forgotten about
this day when you left us.
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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:26:38 EDT
From: WirlyPearl@aol.com
Subject: Chicago, Chicago (njc)
Hi guys,
A lot of us seem to travelling this week!! I'm leaving early Saturday with
Steve, my
son David and my daughter Marcy and her boyfriend for 6 days in Chicago.
David
is playing in the National Scrabble Tournament there. He'll be the youngest
(14 1/2) out of almost 550 competitors (only a few under 18) but in the second
highest division. There'll be a total of $80,000 in prizes. We're very
excited. Wish him luck. Unfortunately for me Doug is camping but he gave me
lots of great info about art galleries and other things to see and do. Hope
to catch up with Fred if I get a chance. I'll let you know how the tournament
turns out. Gotta finish packing. Have a great week everyone.
Pearl
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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 23:53:54 -0500
From: Michael Paz
Subject: Face Lift
Kenny wrote:
"OK, well maybe the last one can't be called simply "Happiness Is The
Best" :-)
I believe that's how it will appear on TTT, but of course, we won't know
till
September (I hope)!"
Kenny-
On the advance CD it is listed simply as Face Lift.
Best,
Michael
NP-Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire-Live
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