From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #291 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, August 5 1998 Volume 03 : Number 291 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: shameless self-promotion Pt Deux NJC [Thomas Ross ] Re: SpamSpamSpam, baked beans and spam. [Thomas Ross ] Re: NJC:Shari Lewis [Thomas Ross ] Re: dar and toshi (njc) [Thomas Ross ] Re: [Fwd: E-mail flaw may make Net a perilous place for months] [Michael ] RE: Blue on MOA [Mark Domyancich ] MJC:From Stan Roger's wife Ariel on Stan and Joni [Chilihead2@aol.com] RE: TTT PR ["Wong, Kai" ] free tickets! [Kaye.Conant@ipaper.com] Re: TTT PR [Marsha ] house of spam (NJC) [Bill Dollinger ] Photo of Pat Metheny (tangential Joni C) [Marsha ] Swami-ette [Steve Dulson ] NY Times Pic ["Wong, Kai" ] A Proliferation of Garden Tickets [LRFye@aol.com] A Bit more on the Joni\Jaco collaboration [Franco ] Re: Yummy Sundae (a Parody) [Marsha ] Re: MJC:From Stan Roger's wife Ariel on Stan and Joni [Julie Blau ] Re: your point taken ["Don Rowe" ] Re: JMDL Digest V3 #290 [Wally Breese ] Re: Yummy Sundae (a Parody) [Bill Dollinger ] Re: Re: fred simon group- the review is in [FredNow@aol.com] Re: fred simon group- the review is in [FredNow@aol.com] Re: shameless plug (NJC) [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Re: shameless plug (NJC) [FredNow@aol.com] Starart book auction [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Re: MJC:From Stan Roger's wife Ariel on Stan and Joni [Denisongs@aol.com] Re: shameless self-promotion Pt Deux NJC [FredNow@aol.com] Joni dream 8.4.98 [FredNow@aol.com] Re: fred simon group- the review is in [Julie Blau ] New midi file ["Ken (Slarty)" ] Photo Filled Gallery ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: Yummy Sundae (a Parody) ["Wally Kairuz" ] ICQ (NJC) [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Joni dream 8.4.98 [TerryM2442@aol.com] something very interesting [Helen Gill ] j files (fwd) [Helen Gill ] Re: Joni dream 8.4.98 [Marsha ] Re: MJC:From Stan Roger's wife Ariel on Stan and Joni [Bounced Message Subject: Re: shameless self-promotion Pt Deux NJC On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Howard Motyl wrote: > The video I produced, wrote and directed called "Image of An > Assassination" is the seventh highest selling video in the country. I > only wish I had a piece of it. I could pay off a few bills . . . > > > -- > Howard Motyl > Producer, MPI Teleproductions > http://www.mpimedia.com wish you did too. if there's anything I or someone on the list can do, please say. TR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 03:17:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Ross Subject: Re: SpamSpamSpam, baked beans and spam. uh-uh! gotta label it njc! > > It has been written: > > >I'm sure it's tasty from what I know of Fred. . . > >and how nice nobody calls this spamming! let all interests flourish say I. > > Why would anyone call this spamming? I am sure that > Fred's music is of interest to many jmdlers, and I > personally have heard rave reviews! > > As a fan of the non-joni content of the list, I > am keenly interested in hearing about the projects or > achievements of my fellow jmdlers. this latter claim clashes with your private vitriol to me. But reading this is hopeful, for your keen interest in my projects has (partly through success de scandale) already helped spread the word about my projects also. so thanks and I'll be happy to clarify any lyrics that still elude you. TR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 03:24:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Ross Subject: Re: NJC:Shari Lewis oh sorry. wasn't she in . . . the rosebowl parade or something last fall? incredibly long run! this is a song that never ends. . . TR On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, catman wrote: > Shair Lewis (and Lamb Chop) has died of ovarian cancer. I am definately > getting old. > > -- > Living is the process whereby we create the structures we call meaning. > http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk > Carly Simon Discussion List > http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 03:30:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Ross Subject: Re: dar and toshi (njc) also have heard more reports than sounds from dar, AND don't know toshi at all! the fischer-dieskau is very good. the schubert, btw, an example of using less than great poetry to make fine music. TR On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, trxschwa wrote: > deb reminds me... > > this sunday, dar williams and toshi reagon are a free double-bill at > central park's summerstage. despite hearing about dar since i joined this > list, i've never heard her work. toshi, of course, rules. should be fun. > > 3:00 pm, rumsey playfield. > > patrick > > np - die winterreise - shubert - fischer-dieskau '66 > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 03:53:55 -0700 From: Michael Heath Subject: Re: [Fwd: E-mail flaw may make Net a perilous place for months] al date wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: E-mail flaw may make Net a perilous place for months > Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:18:15 -0700 > From: Al.Date@Eng.Sun.COM (Al Date) > To: lcfs@mises.Eng.Sun.COM > > > Published Sunday, August 2, 1998, in the San Jose Mercury News > > BY DAVID L. WILSON > Mercury News Staff Writer > > The danger posed by the devastating hole in some of the most popular > electronic mail software in the world likely will persist for many months, > or even years, putting many thousands of people at risk. > I suspect these guys are creating markets for themselves. Create a problem then offer the fix. cul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:55:48 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: RE: Blue on MOA Isn't the Temple University concert on TT7 the complete MOA? At 12:08 AM -0400 8/4/98, Michael Yarbrough wrote: >As you'll find out soon on TT7, she skipped it in Temple, PA as well. >It seems like a general MOA tour decision on her part. I wonder if >it was just for that tour, or if she considers the song permanently >amended to "needles, guns, and lots o' laughs." ____________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |__________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:16:58 EDT From: Chilihead2@aol.com Subject: MJC:From Stan Roger's wife Ariel on Stan and Joni Stan and Joni crossed paths in the late 60's before she was Joni Mitchell. They played in a couple of the same venues, but not at the same time. The reference in "So Blue" (from the Turnaround Album) was a tip of the hat to her and her (subtle) influence on the structure of that tune. Ariel Rogers. Are there any other Joni fans on the JMDL who are also fans of Stan? - -Brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:55:49 -0400 From: "Wong, Kai" Subject: RE: TTT PR Marsha, where did you hear Lead Balloon? What does it sound like, Led Zep? Please tell us more. kai np: beleza tropical > ---------- > From: Marsha[SMTP:docnurse@VoyagerOnline.net] > Sent: Monday, August 03, 1998 6:01 PM > To: Wong, Kai > Cc: 'jmdl' > Subject: Re: TTT PR > > > Marsha, who thinks Lead Balloon off TTT will be my > favorite...it is such a kicking rock tune > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:36:52 -0500 From: Kaye.Conant@ipaper.com Subject: free tickets! Hey! Are you just dying to see Joni at "A Day in the Garden" but you can't believe that tickets are $80? Well, I have a deal for you! I'll give you TWO FREE TICKETS if you supply the transportation from New York City (or Long Island) to the concert in Bethel for me and one other friend! Please respond to my email address if you are interested. Thank you! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 09:34:02 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: TTT PR Wong, Kai wrote: > > Marsha, where did you hear Lead Balloon? What does it sound like, Led > Zep? Please tell us more. I am pleading the 5th for exactly who supplied me with 50 minutes of aural bliss (I do NOT have an advance copy like that lucky dog Michael just admitted to!), but I did hear LBalloon and everything else in a closet at a picnic---and a stone soul picnic it was! She keeps repeating "Lead Balloon, lead balloon" on top of a heavy rock beat with that grindin' geetar sound to it. It IS Joni at her closest to Led Zep, now that you mention it! I got the feeling she is saving her best for the release, as I was blown away by this one, and it bores on my brain (at least the chorus perseveration of the title). Hey, Michael...old friend, old pal, old buddy.... About 120 of us are salivating like Pavlov's dog at the words "advance copies", since any further delay of gratification will render us most unhappy at your good fortune. HA! ;-D I guess this does mean that the long-awaited and delayed release really is going to happen come next month. Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:52:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Dollinger Subject: house of spam (NJC) I wrote: >> As a fan of the non-joni content of the list, I >> am keenly interested in hearing about the projects or > >achievements of my fellow jmdlers. To which TR responds: >this latter claim clashes with your private vitriol to me. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- No conflict, really. I was actually interested in your project ---the first time-- I read about it. I believe that was well over a year ago. There is a significant difference, however, between "hearing about" a project and being repeatedly blugeoned over the head with self-congratulatory posts that attempt to repackage outdated goods. Let no opportunity be missed to pretend the outdated project is relevent to the list. The pattern usually goes as follows: Gee, (insert the Cheiftans, Joel Bernstien, Janet Reno...) would love (insert outdated project here). TR: >But reading this is hopeful, for your keen interest in my projects has >(partly through success de scandale) already helped spread the word about >my projects also. I remember when a friend of mine bragged to me about his child being toilet trained. At the time, it was probably a significant point in the development of the child -but I really did not need to hear about it. Thank God that now, decades later, he is not still bringing this matter up for discussion. I am sure the child was proud, but thankfully he has gone on to other things. Perhaps there is a lesson here for Horse Of Stone. >so thanks and I'll be happy to clarify any lyrics that still elude you. The lyrics don't elude me. I have a good handle on them. They are pretentious and void of any shred of emotional resonance. Hope that clarifies it for you. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 10:08:57 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Photo of Pat Metheny (tangential Joni C) I just checked out the Zero Degrees of Separation page on jmdl.com and my latest mug with Pat Metheny is up (thanks Les!). If you go to: and wait for the pics to load, this newest one is the last one down the page, taken in Hotlanta during PMG's latest tour. I think we are close to having the May SoCal party pics and testimonials ready for viewing pleasure. Good thing, too, since the GARDEN folks are gearing up and will send a ton o' stuff into Les to get up sooner than 3 months...just kiddin' ya, Les... Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:23:36 EDT From: JAN201@aol.com Subject: My favorite Joni story I've never had an informal street sighting, but I have seen Joni in concert many times. Perhaps the most special was December 1997 when she taped a fabulous segment for the CBS morning show. WFUV was giving away tickets, but not being willing to leave it to chance, I pulled a few strings and got in there with my husband. I brought a very small gift for Joni- a decorative egg. I had given one to her after a show in 1973 (or so). Anyway, during the taping one of the hosts was in the audience taking questions and during the break I told him that I'd brought her a gift and asked if he could give it to her for me. He was very nice and asked me to wait 'til after the show. So, after the show, he was up on the stage with Joni and the other hosts and motioned for me to come to the front of the audience. I did and he took the egg and gave it to her, pointed to me and she waved. THEN the host named Mark (who I will forever be grateful to!) motioned for me to come up onto the stage!! I did!! Well, Joni thanked me for the egg, asked if I had painted it (I told her no, that it was Mexican). I told her that I had given her one years ago and that I just wanted to give her something because she has given me so much and that I love her. She said "Oh, that's so nice!" and she HUGGED ME!!! I kissed her cheek on the way in!! Next to childbirth, this was a very high point in my life! When I'm feeling low I try to remember everything about that day. I wish that I'd had it together enough to remember a camera, or to get her autograph, but I wouldn't trade the memory of that hug for anything! This is an awfully long post, I just had to write/share it. Be seeing (some of) you At The Garden! - --Jan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:58:21 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Joni's "Next" Record Company Jim Lamadama wrote: >IMO, is she doesn't turn a profit for them, then 1.: their >accounting is awry, 2.) they are stupid money managers, or 3.) they are >liars. Another possibility is that Joni spends so much time in the studio, massaging the material to get it just right, that any money she earns goes to cover studio costs. I'm certainly not defending major record labels. Jim asked in another post about how many CDs Dar sells, and if they make a profit. Ask Charlie Hunter, her manager. He is very open with this kind of info. Perhaps the person on the Dar list could ask? Anyway, remember that Joni's recording technique was forged in the days when hit artists spent MONTHS in the studio, at God knows how many dollars per hour, working on albums. She has in fact discussed composing in the studio, which isn't a real good idea if economy is your goal. My $0.02. As far as this idea goes: > Wouldn't it be a nice gift if we could somehow help promote the > album? Hey why don't we send unsolicited Tape Trees all over the > influential radio stations in USA, London. We'd have to pick one that > was totally live, no publishing problems. Good motivation, Jim, but I see HUGE legal and ethical problems with that. Reprise pays people good money to get Joni's music into the appropriate radio hands. I think that we can contribute by calling, writing and e-mailing our local stations, requesting cuts from TTT. Sorry for the multiple copies you've been getting of some of my posts. The PsiTech Spam-o-Matic seems to be acting up. All the best! ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:05:22 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Swami-ette Kakki wrote: >Ain't it great?! Marsha mentioned "Lead Balloon" earlier - if Mr. Dulson will >allow me to be Swami-ette here, I predict this song as a definite hit - rip >roaring rock 'n roll. Well, Kakki, if Marsha and Bill can share a throne, I'll certainly make room on my magic carpet! :) I'm not sure I can see "Lead Balloon" being a "hit" in the sense of all- over-the-radio-and-MTV type hits, but I do agree on the Grammy nominations. I'm really pulling for all you "Gardeners" out there - I hope that the show will come off ultra-smoothly, and that SIQUOMB will smile on you all! Best, ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:21:25 -0400 From: "Wong, Kai" Subject: NY Times Pic Go to http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/artleisure for last Sunday's picture of joni and paula cole and article on women songwriters. kai ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:33:27 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: A Proliferation of Garden Tickets "Things fall apart ..." Anyone who is interested in a ticket for Joni's show on 8/15, please contact me, as I suddenly seem to have between 5 and 7 tickets available at $40 each, OBO ... Lori in San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:50:49 -0400 From: Franco Subject: A Bit more on the Joni\Jaco collaboration This was found on Tom Stroud's excellent Jaco Pastorius Website at: http://members.aol.com/tomstr/jacodiscog.html It seems to indicate that Joni knew the exact bass sound she wanted and Jaco's innovative playing seemed to fit the bill. It also seems to show that Joni did indeed provide a lot of direction to her session players. or to go directly to a wealth of Jaco\Joni info: http://members.aol.com/tomstr/jacomisc.html#joni Jaco with Joni Question: Do you miss Jaco Pastorius on your recording sessions? Joni Mitchell: Jaco was doing something I was dreaming of at the time that I came to work with him. I kept asking bass players to do certain things and they'd say "the bass doesn't do that." Then I'd say "why?" And they'd say "because it doesn't!" It seemed, in my field at that time--you have to understand that I started in this much music, the voice and the guitar. There is much more music below it, and much music above it, symphonically speaking. So just myself and the guitar, we made about this much of the spectrum. So I began to add up. I started by adding up because I could do it myself, stacking vocal harmonies, beginning to see how harmony working moving upward, then stacking down within the limitations of my voice and my instrument. I needed help, so then I began to say to the bass player and the drummer, "what if you did this?" "Oh no, it doesn't do that." They were very stubborn. Sonically, they were very stubborn. There were things that were hip and they wouldn't budge from them. They would not be "un-hip" because hip is like a herd mentality. So finally what I wanted the bass to do was more like symphonic music. Why did it have to just stay and poke a dot all along like fence posts? Why couldn't it lift up and play counter-melody in the middle and then come back down? OK, it's not like it has to drop out, just seem to drop out, just go into the mid-range so that the bottom gets some relief. Nobody would do it. Then the beginning of synthesizers that you didn't have to be a jet pilot to operate began to appear and there was one in the hall that someone had rented and it was waiting to be picked up. I dragged it into the studio and put my own bass line on and said, "OK," to the bass player, "play this." And he said he wouldn't play it--it was wrong, he said. Then somebody finally said to me, you know, there is a kid that plays in Miami--he plays with Phyllis Diller and Bob Hope. He's really weird, you'd probably like him! So I sent for Jaco and he was doing everything that I wanted a bass player to do. - ------- Franco ----------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 98 17:31:23 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Yummy Sundae (a Parody) Last week Bill's "Fat Free" inspired me to take a stab at writing a parody. I've heard Joni introduce "Sunny Sunday" at a concert on one of the trees as a song about a woman "waiting for a break". This one might be introduced as the story of a woman "waiting for a shake" :-) Yummy Sundae (A Parody of Sunny Sunday) She gets a plate, she wants another Yummy Sundae She's tried Danon Lite, it left a scar Bright sprinkles melt away upon her Yummy Sundae She watches the Bosco boil Then she grabs the Cool Whip from the fridge's door And she aims at the ice cream Adds some Hersheys kisses Dogs bark as some nuts fall to the floor It's ice cream she's yearning Soon it will be dirty dishes But as she spoons it in Bliss and ecstasy That one little sundae, that's all she needs That's all she needs She pulls the shade It's just another Sunny Monday She drives to the ice cream store -Kenny ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:04:42 -0600 From: "Deb Thornton" Subject: your point taken Yeah, Joni has sold more records than Dar does, and three years into her career, she was a lot more famous than Dar is, but they are at different points in their careers, and Dar's sales are continually increasing (she tours incessantly, and she insists that she doesn't want to be famous because she's in it for the long haul), and i don't think the same is true for Mitchell right now. I don't know---did the Grammy boost her sales? The point i was trying to make is the one Jim underscores: that Dar owns herself as an artist, and her record company does not tell her what to do or how to market herself or what her next album should sound like so her career can stay alive. Joni owns herself as an artist (more than Dar does, when it comes right down to production), too, but she obviously doesn't have a good rapport with her record company---or her management or whatever. Joni is also probably bitter that her fans abandoned her when she had the audacity to change---everybody got off the bus and then she made perhaps her best record ever and nobody heard it. The last time i talked to Dar (April 19), she said that the pressure from her record company to be more commercial was intense, but she is sticking to her guns: she doesn't want to be famous. She wants to be around for a long time, and that is not what happens to commercial artists. At the same time, if they told her she wasn't selling enough records, she's probably take her master tapes elsewhere. She has the option to do that because she is an independent artist. Joni might say, yeah, and as such, she has the option to starve. Relatively speaking. True, the record company pays for Joni's expensive production time (true?), and her albums are far more expensive to produce than Dar's are. I have a fantasy about that, too, though. What if Joni got stuck in a studio with only a piano and a guitar (acoustic) and had to produce an album? Joni is in a system where the overhead is higher and where the commercial interests and subsequent pressures are far greater, so her spoils are also a bit more. The internet has leveled the playing field significantly in the last few years by providing a free "commercial" market---in a way, i'm advertising for Dar even as i type---where ads aren't as expensive as they are in, say, Rolling Stone, and artists can be put before an increasing number of people on a daily basis. Sound samples and little videos and five-minute interviews available on the web have the potential to reach a lot of people, and the investment is minimal. I think for both Joni and Dar the first priority is artistic integrity, then money, and when the two become inverted, both of them get pissed off. "I guess I seem ungrateful with my teeth sunk in the hand that brings me things i really can't give up just yet." And perhaps she still can't give them up entirely. deb "no regrets, Coyote" thornton "What's his type?" "Drunk with two pistols; makes his wife answer the telephone." --Eudora Welty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 14:21:07 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: Yummy Sundae (a Parody) Kenny Grant wrote: > > Yummy Sundae > (A Parody of Sunny Sunday) HAHAHA! Bravo to our Kenny! I love it. Good rhymes with the original words, such an important element to a good parody. Great going! Mistress of Parody, "the more the merrier!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 11:26:30 -0700 From: Julie Blau Subject: Re: MJC:From Stan Roger's wife Ariel on Stan and Joni Chilihead2@aol.com wrote: > Stan and Joni crossed paths in the late 60's before she was Joni > Mitchell. > They played in a couple of the same venues, but not at the same time. > The > reference in "So Blue" (from the Turnaround Album) was a tip of the > hat to her > and her (subtle) influence on the structure of that tune. > > Ariel Rogers. > > Are there any other Joni fans on the JMDL who are also fans of Stan? Yes! My parents are huge fans, and I grew up listening to Stan. I remember clearly the night we found out that he died; it was in a plane crash in Ohio, in the summer of 1983; there was a fire on the plane and most of the people died from smoke inhalation. There were a lot of tears in my house that night. He wrote beautiful traditional-type songs about working men and sailors and fishermen and farmers, and he had a beautiful voice that could break your heart. He also wrote love songs, including one of most touching love songs ever written, "Forty Five Years." He is revered among Canadian folk singers. Julie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:30:44 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Fred Simon ~ Solo Piano Album (NJC) In a message dated 8/2/98 12:28:49 PM, rosst@union.edu wrote: >>I'm sure it's tasty from what I know of Fred. . . Tastes great, less filling. Thanks, TR. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 12:33:46 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - August 5: 1971: In today's issue of Rolling Stone, the album "Blue" is reviewed. An excerpt: "In portraying herself so starkly, she has risked the ridiculous to achieve the sublime. The results though are seldom ridiculous; on Blue she has matched her popular music skills with the purity and honesty of what was once called folk music and through the blend she has given us some of the most beautiful moments in recent popular music." Full review: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/revbrs.htm 1994: Joni gives a press conference at the Edmonton Folk Festival. Question: How do you like playing a small venue in Canada? "I had a choice and I picked too gigs this year and Edmonton was one. It's like coming home. The prairie is my home. Small things excite me like wooden sidewalks and sneezing at goldenrod." Photos from the press conference: http://www.jonimitchell.com/EdmontonPress94.html - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 11:45:46 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: your point taken You asked ... I don't know---did the Grammy boost her sales? > Joni and others have expressed puzzlement and disappointment that the Grammy does not have the bank value of the Oscar in terms of boosting sales, though no one seems to have a reason why. I admit being totally in the dark about Dar -- but if she is, in fact, 'touring relentlessly' -- that's the tried and true way to make and hold onto an audience. Of course, touring costs money too -- but if people hear you live, it's FAR more likely that they'll go buy your latest CD (if they don't buy it right at your show)-- Grammy winner or not. Not that I'm advocating that Joni tour relentlessly -- a regular old tour would suit me just fine! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 98 12:05:09 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #290 Hi everybody, I want to invite all of you who attend "A Day In The Garden" on August 15th to send me your reports on your day in Woodstock and on Joni's performance. I'm also looking for photos from the event. Since I can't go to the show myself, Sue MacNamara will be serving as the JMHP's official reporter and will be posting her account to the page I'm designing for the concert. More info next week! Some news items: The August 8th issue of Billboard magazine has an advertisement on it's back cover for the ASCAP Member Card and includes tiny photos of many of it's most famous members, including Joni. Now when I say tiny, I mean it, so don't expect anything amazing or keepable. It is, however, wonderful to see JM included. Joni, BTW, changed from BMI to ASCAP only a few months ago. Here's a few magazine sightings I fell behind in reporting: The July 17th issue of Goldmine has a review of the May 22nd show at the Pauley Pavilion in L.A. It's a positive report which says about Joni's set-"Joni Mitchell spoke warmly to the audience throughout her set and her performance brimmed with ideas, mostly coming from her comments and her lyrics. If she did not play many of her best-known songs, she played some of her great ones." The August issue of Premiere magazine has an article on the infamous club Studio 54, and features a photo of Joni and David Geffen from around 1977. Joni is good-naturedly fending off the cameraman with her upraised hands while smiling broadly. Later, Wally The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:59:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Dollinger Subject: Re: Yummy Sundae (a Parody) On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Kenny Grant wrote: > Last week Bill's "Fat Free" inspired me to take a stab at writing a parody. very nice job, kenny! looks like we have another weird-al in our midst ;-) bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:51:48 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: fred simon group- the review is in In a message dated 8/2/98 9:31:55 AM, Marsha wrote: >Ahhhh, what a wonderful thing in our lil' cybercommunity of >music lovers! So glad one of us finally had the great fortune >of hearing our Fred live and meeting him... >Thanks for the review, Dougie! > >Marsha, singing Fred's praises for a year You just keep on singin' girl! - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:48:34 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: fred simon group- the review is in Wolfebite@aol.com wrote: >>first off- thanks fred for posting your gig.... (you're still playing >>as i'm typing...) at the green mill- just 4 blocks from where i >>live- a wonderful venerable and classy dive for great jazz. >> >>well- my knowledge and vocabulary about jazz is limited- but what a >>fantastic group!!! fred is an excellent composer and pianist- and >>ingrid graudins on vocals was superb. fred's compositions were my >>fav- including a song from a poem- the awakening? is that right? >>just a gem. >> >>i'm glad i went- and i hope all of you get a chance to hear him >>sometime. I introduced myself briefly- and he's a real down to >>earth, charming man. Wow, Doug, thanks so much for the kind words and glowing review. It was really a fun gig, and Ingrid is always a treat. The song I wrote from a poem is The Waking, poem by Theodore Roethke ... "I wake to sleep and take my waking slow/I learn by going where I have to go." Hopefully that song will be on my next album. It was a thrill to meet you, albeit much too brief (we should get together and hang sometime). I'm really glad you made it down, and glad I posted to the list. In the middle of the gig, however, I realized that I had really screwed up in not also posting to the Jonatha Brooke/The Story (with whom Ingrid records and tours) list; too much scrambling to get ready for the gig, music, rehearsals, negotiations with club owner, etc. ... I really need a personal assistant. Anyway, thanks again for such a nice report, extremely gratifying. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:39:52 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: shameless plug (NJC) In a message dated 7/31/98 3:11:04 PM, IVPAUL42 wrote: ><< We will be playing mostly > my tunes and some choice covers, ranging from Eddie Harris >> > >Hey Fred, wish I could make it, but I'm too far gone from Chicago thesae days. >I met Eddie Harris' mom once at a soul food restaurant on the South Side when I >was a 19-year-old door-to-door salesman of dictionaries and magazine subscriptions. >Now was that Real? Compared to What? I really miss Eddie. I have some friends who played with him from time to time and they loved him. A great player, writer, innovator, and a rigorously self- honest cat. Y'all think Joni is blunt with herself? Here are some of Eddie's album titles (all directed toward himself, of course) -- That Is Why You're Overweight, The Reason Why I'm Talking Shit, How Can You Live Like That?, I'm Tired of Driving, and perhaps the most brutally honest album title that no one but Eddie ever had the balls to use: I Need Some Money. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:43:58 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: shameless plug (NJC) In a message dated 7/31/98 3:01:49 PM, sp@olympus.net wrote: >Sounds like a great cast; I adore Ingrid "the wonder singer." For those of >us living thousands of miles from Chicago, might there be a recording of >this gig available? I'd be more than happy to pay the going rate. Sorry, no tape running that I know of ... the music is lost in the ether. Ingrid is indeed a wonder singer, and besides the two albums of mine that she sings on, I urgently urge all to go out and get Jonatha Brooke's "Plumb" and "Ten Cent Wings," and to catch them live whenever they come by your neck of the woods. You won't regret it. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:50:14 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Starart book auction Starart, Joni Mitchell, Cat Stevens, &others Seller: hstoosh@peterboro.net Starts: 07/28/98 18:00:58 PDT Ends:   08/04/98 18:00:58 PDT Price: Currently $91.01 To bid the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=23208857 Item Description:               This oversize 239 page book is unique because instead of focussing on music, it covers the artistic efforts of well-known music makers. There are individual chapters on the art work of Joni Mitchell, John Mayall, Cat Stevens, Klaus Voormann, Ron Wood and Commander Cody. Most of the book is comprised of full-page colour plates of their art work. The title page reads: Starart, designed and edited by Debby Chester, published by Starart Productions, DeWinton, Alberta, c. 1979. This huge book is in very good condition and is complete with original dust jacket. There are a few minor tears at the top and bottom edges of the dust jacket. A unique item. Purchaser to pay shipping charges. Good Luck! gdave NP: Tape of the Day: 8/4/82 Toots & The Maytals: Montego Bay, Jamaica - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:52:11 EDT From: Denisongs@aol.com Subject: Re: MJC:From Stan Roger's wife Ariel on Stan and Joni In a message dated 98-08-04 08:18:04 EDT, you write: << Are there any other Joni fans on the JMDL who are also fans of Stan? >> Yes !! I am a fan too! Denise : ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:03:34 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: shameless self-promotion Pt Deux NJC "Julie Z. Webb" wrote: >>At 10:44 AM 8/3/98 -0500, Howard wrote: >The video I produced, wrote >>and directed called "Image of An >Assassination" is the seventh >>highest selling video in the country. I >only wish I had a piece of >>it. I could pay off a few bills . . . Wowie Howie, Aplause, >>aplause, good news for you and your company. What part did you have >>in the process? -JulieZW, who sees Chicago Jmdlers are starting to >>grow in numbers: Howard Moytl, Doug Stapleton, Fred Simon, Paul's >>from the Windy City It occurred to me in reading this that any Chicago JMDLers who are interested in coming down, either together or alone, to my solo piano steady gig at the Sheraton Hotel (downtown on the Chicago River) should get in touch with me beforehand and I'll give you guys a semi-private concert of Joni, Dylan, Beatles, James Taylor, Leonard Cohen (and my stuff, too). No cover charge, pleasant vibe, good drinks, and excellent sushi; I'm there most Fridays, Saturdays, Sundays, and Mondays 5 - 8:30 pm (except Saturdays when I play from 5 -10). Schedule always subject to change, though, so definitely email ahead to see if I'm actually going to be there. It would be fun to meet some more of you, and would be a shame not to seeing as how we live in the same damn town. Also, Howard, you produce video? That's interesting ... I compose music for film and video -- we should tawk over cawfee sometime. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:12:19 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Joni dream 8.4.98 Joni Mitchell was singing solo on a daytime talk show (Joan Rivers? who doesn’t have a current show) and when she was done singing, the camera showed Joan and three black women guests (also singers?) who were wiping away tears. In the evening of that same day, Joni is on the Tonight show, this time with a band. She is wearing a long, flowing, diaphanous yellow outfit and a big floppy hat, and instead of a guitar she held a 20 foot long, thin, upright tree branch with two lavender parasols attached to it, one at the top and one midway up. She whirled and danced around the stage with it as she sang. The stage itself had large flowing sheets (of the same yellow diaphanous material she was wearing) strung up from the ceiling down to the floor. When she finished the song she walked toward the audience and gave the parasol pole to a woman in the audience; the woman was vaguely Hispanic looking with thick eyebrows and long, thick, curly black hair. She was clearly overwhelmed by Joni’s gesture. I think that the woman was also a member of the Joni Mitchell internet discussion list. After this, the camera showed Jay Leno and the same three black women guests who had been on Joan’s show, and they were clearly weeping. So was I by this point. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 16:04:24 -0700 From: Julie Blau Subject: Re: fred simon group- the review is in FredNow@aol.com wrote: > Wow, Doug, thanks so much for the kind words and glowing review. It > was really > a fun gig, and Ingrid is always a treat. The song I wrote from a poem > is The > Waking, poem by Theodore Roethke ... "I wake to sleep and take my > waking > slow/I learn by going where I have to go." Hopefully that song will be > on my > next album. This list always amazes me, how many little things are brought up that I can relate to or are a part of my history, that have nothing to do with Joni. I read that Roethke poem as part of a speech contest in 7th grade (I was kind of an intense kid). I ended up going to the finals and reading it in front of the whole school. It's very close to my heart, that piece. I would love to hear your song, Fred. Julie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 19:58:06 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: New midi file I've added the song "The Circle Game" to my midi page. It can be found at http://www.total.net/~slarty/midi.htm Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 21:40:46 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Photo Filled Gallery The Gallery is a page where all list folks can post their picture and/or comments. To see the pictures, go to http://www.jmdl.com/gallery/galleryp.htm If you wanna sign up to have your picture included, go to http://www.jmdl.com and start following the "gallery" links. Enjoy. - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:35:30 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Yummy Sundae (a Parody) - -----Original Message----- From: Kenny Grant To: JMDL Date: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 11:39 AM Subject: Yummy Sundae (a Parody) >Last week Bill's "Fat Free" inspired me to take a stab at writing a parody. > Kenny, First Bill's ode to NutraSweet® and now this one!!!! KEEPERS!!!! WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:33:08 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: ICQ (NJC) I meant to post this a while back, but I read a bit of info on the 'future' of ICQ that I think everyone should know about. Has anybody heard that AOL bought Mirabilis, the guys who make ICQ? Well, they did and it seems that AOL is going to charge for the use of the ICQ program. Just how much? About $20 a month! I am not sure of the veracity of this, but it seems pretty real to me. I haven't heard about Instant Messenger, though. On the subject of ICQ, it looks like no one uses it anymore! I used Instant Messenger tonight and only me and Julie (Z. Webb) were on. I will try to find out where I saw this (This was a while ago). ____________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |__________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:04:22 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni dream 8.4.98 Veddy interecchhsting, Fred! But eez August und I'm on vacation. Please forward to Herr Jung for interpretation. Dr. SigMondegreen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 13:06:23 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: something very interesting why not visit my wonderfully eggy homepage? it would not only make you happy, but me too! lots of things to make and do. www.geocities.com/SoHo/Square/2859/ maybe you'll win the famous "today's egg" competition! c'mon support other listies! helly. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 13:10:27 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: j files (fwd) I contacted a local radio station recently and suggested they feature Joni Mitchell on their special program in which they run a whole radio program (3hrs) around a certain artist or theme. Well here's the response....looks kinda hopeful don't you think? Oh dear, and then all of you lot will want a copy....hmm. Helen, Joni Mitchell is a great idea. No reason for not doing it yet. I have all the time in the world to get through artists on The J Files. There's no rush... Keep listening...it'll come around. And if you have a problem with Brian Wilson and The Beach Boys being on the program, maybe you should listen as much to some of their albums as you obviously have to Joni. Cheers, Richard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 00:21:08 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: Joni dream 8.4.98 (Ms. Yoni Yung will be covering for the vacationing Dr. SigMondegreen for interpretation of dreams. As always this is a free service brought to you by the jmdl internet community...430 strong.) FredNow@aol.com dreamed and wrote: > Joni Mitchell was singing solo on a daytime talk show (Joan Rivers? who > doesn’t have a current show) Now there's where y'ur wrong, sonny... Joan and her ugly daughter Melissa are on E! Entertainment cable toooo much, dissing Hollywood's gliteratti about their expensive rags, crappy hair, and silicone enhancements. Don't you ever get enriched by the offerrings on the boob tube? but, I digress...back to your dream: Now here is a very interesting element: > and instead of a guitar she held a 20 foot long, thin, upright > tree branch with two lavender parasols attached to it, one at the top and one > midway up. You have been drinking too many giant Mai Tai's with fancy umbrellas. Lay off the sauce... Dr. Sig, this is stuff is so easy...take all the time you need on vacation... Yoni Yung ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 22:52:25 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: MJC:From Stan Roger's wife Ariel on Stan and Joni Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:35:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross - ---Chilihead wrote: > > Are there any other Joni fans on the JMDL who are also fans of Stan? > Count me in, also I was introduced to Stan's music by Gene Shay and his Sunday night folk show. I have managed to acquire all 8 of Stan's cds plus the 2 tribute concert discs. And thanks, Steve Dulson, for the url of the website devoted to Stan and his music. http://www.summerfolk.org/popdown.html Brian === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 23:34:16 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: JC/Garden stuff - long but PLEASE READ! Hi, Kids -- As the day approaches, I've been getting many requests off-list for various bits of information, so I'd like to cover several things here, and for some folks it may be redundant and repetitive !^) First, if you haven't signed up for the Garden list (and are planning to make this event), please do so without delay by sending Les an e-mail at garden@jmdl.com. Item B, DO check out the DayintheGarden website post-haste at http://www.dayinthegarden.com -- and if this won't load for you, try http://www.dayinthegarden.com/mega.html. This site will answer most of your questions (and has links to good local stuff re: transportation and lodging), but if you need verification or have other specific questions (or are simply incredulous about something you read there), please ask the me&list. (Case in point: The previous bus line cancelled, and HAS been replaced, but I think the Garden site still indicates that there's no bus service -- e-mail me&the list if you need details.) Sullivan County is a good resource as well -- http://co.sullivan.ny.us/sctg or 1-800-882-CATS. Third: If you have a general request for info, tix, details about ADayintheGarden, feel free to e-mail me, but please also post it to garden@jmdl.com -- you may be able to get immediate help/answers. (I'm in the process of moving, so I don't want anyone to go without clues waiting on me.) IV: Please start reading ALL your Garden mail as we careen toward the Big Day -- I know this may seem like a chore for some people, and folks are busy, yadda-yadda-yadda, but, again, it's for the efficient transmission of relevant data (see under "Third..."). And now, on to some hellos and help -- Welcome: to Medric, Kai and Brian! Tix: If anyone wants my extra ticket for Saturday -- buy me a beer or watch my blanket for a while, and it's yours! Also, Deb Messling, Lori Fye and Jan have posted about having extra tix -- please send a shout out to them or the list, and I'm sure everyone will get covered. Current list of Gardeners: If you're not on it and should be (or vice-versa), please e-mail me directly -- I'd like to print out this list to bring with me to NY so that if we have a get-together or some happy need to share, I'd like to be able to find folks and hook people up. I also ask you again to share your travel plans (arrival/departure days/times, airport, hotel, etc.) if you haven't already done so. And if you find this too invasive (just want info, no warm fuzzies or people to meet), then I guess I'm stunned and speechless on the point...:^) LRFye@aol.com (Lori Fye in San Antonio) HEJIRA27@webtv.net (Gray Douglas) scam@freeway.net (Sue Cameron [Suze]) music@bryanthomas.com (Bryan Thomas, or is it Thomas Bryan??) docnurse@VoyagerOnline.net (Marsha -- watchin' it from the wings??) djp@dca.net (???) kb420@webtv.net (Gr8ful Dave) sem8@cornell.edu (Sue McNamara) jzw@visint.com (Julie Z. Webb) Kay_Ashley@ars.aon.com (Kay Ashley) kakkib@att.net (Kakki - sure like to see you!! ) Fluke_s@email.msn.com (Don Fluke, AKA Captain Tailgate -- [snap-to-salute!]) queenaim@msn.com (Amy) kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) messling@enter.net (Deb Messling/Fred Walzenfree !^) mprisco@dreamscape.com (Margaret Prisco) ejaimes@neuwirth-research.com (Eric) Robbert@vansprang.demon.nl (Robbert in Holland) luvart@snet.net (Heather) kwong@bev.etn.com (Kai Wong) Chilihead2@aol.com (Brian Mansfield) JAN201@aol.com (Jan) megg56@yahoo.com (Medric Faulkner from Mississippi) briangross@rocketmail.com (Brian Gross) michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net (Michael Paz, back from Honduras, but not going??) netgirl@ctos.com (and me, the chirp!) Sorry to take up soooo much bandwith with this, but I hope it helped some people with their questions and plans. I'm having trouble loading about four remaining e-mails, so if your questions were not addressed here, please feel free to re-mail me. Thanks! Kate in CO ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 02:22:00 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: The Waking (NJC) In a message dated 8/4/98 7:42:55 PM, Doug wrote: >i'd like to read the poem myself- i'd say that of the excellent work i heard from >Fred's group that evening- this particular piece really struck me- the flow and >elegance of the music- ingrids voice seemed particularly suited to that song Thanks, Doug. Here it is. ====================================== The Waking I wake to sleep, and take my waking slow. I feel my fate in what I cannot fear. I learn by going where I have to go. We think by feeling. What is there to know? I hear my being dance from ear to ear. I wake to sleep, and take my waking slow. Of those so close beside me, which are you? God bless the Ground! I shall walk softly there, And learn by going where I have to go. Light takes the Tree; but who can tell us how? The lowly worm climbs up a winding stair; I wake to sleep, and take my waking slow. Great Nature has another thing to do To you and me; so take the lively air, And, lovely, learn by going where to go. This shaking keeps me steady. I should know. What falls away is always. And is near. I wake to sleep, and take my waking slow. I learn by going where I have to go. - -- Theodore Roethke (1953) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 02:27:58 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Joni dream 8.4.98 In a message dated 8/5/98 1:13:11 AM, Marsha wrote: >Don't you ever get enriched by the offerrings on the >boob tube? Of course I do. But I admit to being the last household in the free world not to have cable TV. >Now here is a very interesting element: > >> and instead of a guitar she held a 20 foot long, thin, upright >> tree branch with two lavender parasols attached to it, one at the top and one >> midway up. > >You have been drinking too many giant Mai Tai's with fancy >umbrellas. Lay off the sauce... That's funny, I was thinking not enough giant Mai Tais. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 02:35:04 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: fred simon group- the review is in (NJC) In a message dated 8/4/98 6:16:41 PM, Julie wrote: >It's very close to my heart, that piece. I would love to hear your song, >Fred. And so someday you shall, my dear, someday you shall. Actually, I wouldn't mind hearing an explication of The Waking from Julie (or anyone else who has two cents to give ... I've posted the complete poem in a separate post). I mean, the gist of the poem is surely summed up in the refrain "I learn by going where I have to go" but what about lines like: "Light takes the Tree; but who can tell us how?" and "This shaking keeps me steady. I should know./What falls away is always. And is near." I get the general sense of what he means but would like anyone's input on more specific interpretations. - -Fred ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #291 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?