From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #290 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, August 4 1998 Volume 03 : Number 290 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- [none] [John Melchert ] Re: NJC:Shari Lewis [IVPAUL42@aol.com] [none] [John Melchert ] More JD - no Joni [elaine bean ] Joni's "Next" Record Company ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: Blue on MOA [Michael Yarbrough ] I'm Back [Michael Paz ] Re: Help? A Day in the Garden (JC) [Kate Tarasenko ] A Day in the Garden [Kate Tarasenko ] Re: Joni's Profitability ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: I'm Back/TTT/Livingston Taylor ["Kakki" ] [Fwd: E-mail flaw may make Net a perilous place for months] [al date Subject: [none] I have free scanned jpg images of Joni (from the albums: Hejira, Court and Spark and Blue) for your t-shirts, pleasure or, I guess, bath towels....hmmm. Just email me at: johnnym@earthcom.net Please no derogatory comments...she's my hero. John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:44:03 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC:Shari Lewis In a message dated 98-08-03 21:35:54 EDT, docnurse@voyageronline.net writes: << Shair Lewis (and Lamb Chop) has died of ovarian cancer. I am definately > getting old. This saddens me. I grew up watching and loving that little narci Lamb Chop. >> As did I. It was one of my favorite shows as a preschooler. And I was able to relive that when my son was growing through that phase. Shari was wonderful and I will miss her and Lambchop Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:01:48 -0400 (EDT) From: John Melchert Subject: [none] Joni Sightings: Back in about 1986 I saw her in the Village here in NYC, in red cowboy boots and those unmistakable jawbones. She was outside an Italian deli and obviously delighted. It was early morning and I decided not to bother her. She was outrageously gorgeous with her hair and style. Has anyone else spotted Joni? My ultimate has always been to see her in concert though I'm not sure I could live through it (after all I fainted after seeing my other hero, Aretha, in concert at Madison Square Garden). But the Woodstock concert just seems too crazy to get to and her slot is too short for enjoyment. Tonite I scanned all the album covers I love....If anyone wants the JPGs, just msg me at johnnym@earthcom.net and I'd be glad to forward them. Thanks for your contributions. John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 23:21:06 -0400 From: elaine bean Subject: More JD - no Joni > "Like a Thief" (or is it "Run in the Night Like A Thief" Which, I believe, was written by JD Souther. Elaine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 23:39:51 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni's "Next" Record Company I was thinking about Joni's believe that she's not turning a profit for Reprise. In several Tape Trees she's been told that below a certian volume, a title actually loses money. This really annoys me. IMO, is she doesn't turn a profit for them, then 1.: their accounting is awry, 2.) they are stupid money managers, or 3.) they are liars. Does anyone know about the small music labels in the USA? Is it possible that one of the independents/audiophile companies like Reference Recording or JVC or Rykodisk could put out an album for her after Reprise. Wouldn't it be a nice gift if we could somehow help promote the album? Hey why don't we send unsolicited Tape Trees all over the influential radio stations in USA, London. We'd have to pick one that was totally live, no publishing problems. We could leverage our geographic advantage to help her sell albums/CDs. - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:08:39 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Blue on MOA Lori wrote: <<>> Then Wally K. wrote: <<>> As you'll find out soon on TT7, she skipped it in Temple, PA as well. It seems like a general MOA tour decision on her part. I wonder if it was just for that tour, or if she considers the song permanently amended to "needles, guns, and lots o' laughs." - --Michael NP: Holly Cole Trio, _Don't Smoke in Bed_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 23:52:03 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: I'm Back Hello Everyone- Well I'm back from Honduras, and what an incredible trip it was. My dad is doing great and we set some goals together and hopefully I am on my way to moving back to Honduras within the next year to 18 months. I was not able to access my worldnet account from down there, so I am really behind in my reading. A few comments about what I am caught up on so far: Bill-Fat Free is brilliant. I'll be singing that one in the shower tomorrow morning. Kakki-Welcome back! Your trip sounded wonderful. I am still enjoying the Hawaii you sent (Thanks again). It brought to mind my trip to Maui with Fred, when Mikey was only 18 months old. We drove up to Haleakala sp? and it was so amazing, Freda got some amazing pictures. There was also the total eclipse of the sun which we saw almost entirely from our hotel room without having to drive down to the so called "zone". Mikey still remembers the trip or so he says. Marsha-Gee I think you and Bill will look great sharing a throne together!!! Marian- Excellent work on the tunings. Thank you for sharing! It's great to be home with the family and we had a great dinner talking and making plans for our future. Now with the kids in bed, I thought I would write a few lines to all my friends and share in the joy I am feeling today. To put the icing on my cake and have a bite, I received an advance copy of TTT today (from an angel in a music store) and it is totally amazing. I will be first in line on September 29 to buy my copy, and all my friends are getting TTT for Christmas. I think that whoever was saying that Joni has lost her voice will be pleasantly surprised. I hear alot of the old qualities she had and alot of new ones that I cannot put to words just yet. I think my faves are Stay In Touch and Taming the Tiger. I love the song Love Puts On A New Face so much, but I have to admit that I like the Jay Leno Live version better (I guess cause I have played it so much I am use to it in its raw form) Hope everyone is well and best wishes to all the garden goers. Love to all, Michael NP-The Crazy Cries of Love-TTT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 23:52:34 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: Re: Help? A Day in the Garden (JC) Medric wrote: >Help! I have decided at the last minute to try to go to A Day in the Garden since I can get a plane ticket out of Monroe LA into LGA for $239. Does anyone know if there is shuttle service to the site out of NYC? I can't seem to get the Sullivan Co. site to load and I'd like to book a hotel room near any shuttle site. You know a rural Mississippi boy Doesn't need to be too loose in NYC.< Medric -- Glad you decided to make it after all! Do sign up for the Garden List if you've not done so already (garden@jmdl.com). At this point, I would actually recommend not purchasing a ticket to the festival for Saturday (blasphemy?) -- there is a tsunami of folly going on with this fest, although my faith will not be shaken! I just got a free ticket for Saturday when I'd requested one for Friday (per the recent 2-for-1 deal). The festival folks promised they'd mail out my free ticket for Friday as I'd requested, but I may have a free ticket to give away on Saturday, and I know there are other Gardeners with extras as well. As for travel out to Bethel from LaGuardia, there will be bus service via the Shortline Bus Line out of the Port Authority, leaving at 8AM on Friday, Saturday and Sunday (Aug. 14, 15 & 16). Round-trip cost is $40, and bus tix can be purchased at the PA. (The bus service originally scheduled, the DIG Express, pulled out of the festival at the last minute.) But if you're arriving LaGuardia on Thursday night, do let me know, as a couple of us are working out some ground travel plans from the airport up to our respective hotels in the Bethel area that night. I'm sorry to hear that you're having problems accessing the Sullivan County website (http://co.sullivan.ny.us/sctg)-- I'm about to cancel a hold I had on a room at the Best Western in Monticello (I'm booked at the Starlite in Mongaup Valley) -- if you'd like to catch this room ($105/night, possibly a two-night minimum), let me know, and I'll try to coordinate my cancellation with you. If you need any other help, give a shout! - -- Kate in CO ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 00:03:23 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: A Day in the Garden Jan wrote: >Less than two weeks to go until I see Joni again! I'm wondering if a lot of JMDLs will be at the August 15th concert in Bethel, NY.< Hi, Jan -- Please sign up for the Garden List by sending an e-mail of request to garden@jmdl.com. Les Irvin will take care of getting you hooked up to the list. There are many of us planning to go to the festival, and we're trying to coordinate travel and meeting-up plans. It promises to be a wonderful time! - -- Kate in CO ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 02:19:43 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Joni's Profitability And Furthermore..... Deb Thornton discussed the quality of Dar Williams art and management. Does anyone know how many albums Dar sells? I'll bet Joni sells more but that's not the point. The point is that I'll bet noone tells Dar Williams, "Your CDs don't turn a profit for us." - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 23:07:47 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: I'm Back/TTT/Livingston Taylor Welcome back to you, Michael! > Marian- Excellent work on the tunings. Thank you for sharing! Big, big "me, too" > To put the icing on my cake and have a bite, I received > an advance copy of TTT today (from an angel in a music store) and it is > totally amazing. I will be first in line on September 29 to buy my copy, > and all my friends are getting TTT for Christmas. I think that whoever > was saying that Joni has lost her voice will be pleasantly surprised. I > hear alot of the old qualities she had and alot of new ones that I > cannot put to words just yet. Ain't it great?! Marsha mentioned "Lead Balloon" earlier - if Mr. Dulson will allow me to be Swami-ette here, I predict this song as a definite hit - rip roaring rock 'n roll. Other predictions - at least Grammy noms or wins for TTT artwork and album, and a definite nom for the new CPR album. Another recommendation for great music listening - Livingston Taylor's "Ink" in which he covers of some of the most beautiful songs of our time. Gorgeous. If you love James, you'll love Livingston, whose music is a little like a whimsical and upbeat version of his brother's. (Amazing how he, James & Ben all have that same voice!) Kakki NP: L. Taylor - "The More I See You" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 23:40:59 -0700 From: al date Subject: [Fwd: E-mail flaw may make Net a perilous place for months] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------EF3B58245B340A1A7E736094 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --------------EF3B58245B340A1A7E736094 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by sjmail.bigger.net (8.8.6/8.8.6/@bn) with SMTP id NAA23701 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (engmail4 [129.144.134.6]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id NAA09458; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:18:17 -0700 Received: from mises.Eng.Sun.COM (mises.Eng.Sun.COM [129.144.151.122]) by Eng.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) with SMTP id NAA13962; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:18:16 -0700 Received: by mises.Eng.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA29034; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:18:15 -0700 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:18:15 -0700 From: Al.Date@Eng.Sun.COM (Al Date) Message-Id: <199808032018.NAA29034@mises.Eng.Sun.COM> To: lcfs@mises.Eng.Sun.COM Subject: E-mail flaw may make Net a perilous place for months X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Published Sunday, August 2, 1998, in the San Jose Mercury News BY DAVID L. WILSON Mercury News Staff Writer The danger posed by the devastating hole in some of the most popular electronic mail software in the world likely will persist for many months, or even years, putting many thousands of people at risk. The extremely widespread nature of the flaw, which was revealed publicly last week, combined with the difficulty of ensuring that patches for the flaw get installed, is likely to make the Internet a much less stable environment as malevolent Internet users begin using the flaw to disrupt activities on the Internet. The situation illustrates the difficulties of developing secure systems, particularly as the software that runs on computers gets more complex and unwieldy. And it's a taste of the difficulties that lie ahead as more and more of the nation's everyday activities become tied to the Internet. The flaw allows an outsider to send a booby-trapped piece of electronic mail. Under some conditions, the booby-trap can be activated without any action on the part of the victim. The poisoned e-mail can execute code on the targeted computer, up to and including erasing the hard drive. One self-described member of the ``black hat'' hacker community -- black hats are malevolent hackers, sometimes known as ``crackers'' -- said his group is working on a number of variants of booby-trapped e-mail. The plan, he said, is to send out thousands of such booby-trapped e-mails to users around the world. Bomb has two stages The payload on these bombs would be delivered in two stages. In stage one, the booby-trapped e-mail directs the host e-mail application to send out thousands more booby-trapped e-mails. Once that task is completed, the original e-mail will attempt to reformat the host hard drive to complete stage two, which is designed to make tracking the assault back to its originators that much harder. All those new e-mails will attempt to do the same thing on any host computer where they become active, creating a tidal wave of assaults throughout the Internet that could bring things to a grinding halt. Experts say it may not be an empty boast. ``Clearly the person has some idea what's involved,'' said Eugene H. Spafford, director of the new Center for Education and Research in Information Assurance and Security at Purdue University. ``But this would not be a trivial thing to do.'' The description of the attack is strikingly similar to a technique used 10 years ago by Robert T. Morris, a graduate student at Cornell University, to bring down the entire Internet using an electronic ``worm,'' a bit of software whose only goal was to spread through the system and make copies of itself. Patches for the holes exploited by Morris soon were deployed. The current e-mail problem is different in that the fix isn't aimed at the high-powered machines that keep the Internet humming but on the standard desktop machines, which often must be serviced one by one. ``We would rank it as a fairly significant problem, one that's unusual because it affects consumer-level software more than the kind of software that internet service providers might run on their server machines,'' said Shawn Hernan, leader of the vulnerability handling team at the CERT (formerly the Computer Emergency Response Team) Coordination Center at Carnegie Mellon University's Software Engineering Institute. Many people suspect that the problem will be around for many months because people will fail to install the patches as they become available or neglect to upgrade their e-mail software. Update -- or else ``Now that the crackers know how to exploit this, people who don't update will be hurt,'' said Paul E. Hoffman, director of the Internet Mail Consortium. ``Unfortunately, that might be the majority of people.'' Corporate computer system administrators today often find themselves overwhelmed inside a company. Security concerns often take a back seat to the more pressing matters of installing a bigger hard drive or monitor. ``We have no plans to patch company-wide immediately,'' said David Hart, who works in the Internet industry. ``We'll probably patch laptop users right away because they go for longer periods of time without hard drive backups. We'll probably roll out Communicator 4.5 (with the patch included) in October or November. Our network is set up in a way that damage caused by a hack would be reduced and more easily reparable compared to most other PC network configurations,'' he said. ``Please don't print my employer's name. I'd hate someone to interpret my boast as an invitation to hack.'' Long time to create patch The flaw has been confirmed in three programs: Microsoft Corp.'s Outlook Express and Outlook 98 and Netscape Communications Corp.'s Messenger Mail, which accompanies versions 4.x of the Communicator Web browser software. Researchers are continuing to study other software packages to see which are vulnerable and under what circumstances. Oftentimes a patch for a security hole can be created within a day or two. Because of the variety of ways this flaw can be exploited, it's taking companies an exceptionally long time to build something that guards against all the possible permutations, yet doesn't interfere with function or create new problems. Experts remain concerned that users will be less likely to install the patches if the process takes too long. ``Vendors need to be very proactive in getting the word out,'' Hernan said. ``This story has received a lot of public attention, so there is some hope that it will get a larger level of the public mindshare.'' - --------------EF3B58245B340A1A7E736094-- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #290 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?