From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #287 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Monday, August 3 1998 Volume 03 : Number 287 TapeTree 7 sign-up is closing on Sunday, August 2nd. Go to to sign up ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: The First Day in August (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Joni in today's NY Times ["Deb Messling" ] Joni lps and singles [MP123A321@aol.com] Re: Joni in today's NY Times [Sue ] Re: Joni in today's NY Times [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: fred simon group- the review is in [Marsha ] woops ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Re: "Joni's Helplessly Hoping" [DKasc13293@aol.com] Re: "Joni's Helplessly Hoping" [catman ] my first of august (yes, jc!) [trxschwa ] Re: Fred Simon ~ Solo Piano Album (NJC) [Thomas Ross ] lyrics, even cocteau twins lyrics! (njc) [trxschwa ] Re: "Joni's Helplessly Hoping" [Jason Maloney ] Re: "Joni's Helplessly Hoping" [catman ] NJC - Request for info [Les Irvin ] Re: "Joni's Helplessly Hoping" [TerryM2442@aol.com] RE: NJC the charts (was Joni's Helplessly Hoping) [Michael Yarbrough ] Joni\Jaco\Hejira [Franco ] Two Songs From Rare Tape [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Two Songs From Rare Tape [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Two Songs From Rare Tape [Les Irvin ] Re: Two Songs From Rare Tape [Brian Gross ] Re: NJC - Alcohol / drugs [Helen Gill ] Re: Two Songs From Rare Tape ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 05:04:45 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: The First Day in August (NJC) - -----Original Message----- From: Mark or Travis To: joni@smoe.org Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 11:10 AM Subject: The First Day in August (NJC) >Does anyone remember an old Carole King song called 'The First Day in >August' from her Rhymes & Reasons album? Mark in Seattle > Oh, I certainly do, Mark. I always take that album with me whenever and wherever I travel. By the way, Carole dedicated that song to her [then] husband and bass player Charles Larkey, who wrote the words. As for the weather here, it's been so unseasonably warm, it almost feels like spring already. Is it karma or what? I've been cheated out of my rightfully earned wintertime for the last four years, what with El Niño, time and other thieves. WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 07:30:54 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: Blue on MOA She sings "cleaner's press." Who knows what Joni meant as the final word, though? > This list is making me obsessive compulsive. I checked the Poems and Lyrics > book- it's printed as "The cleaner's crease was in my jeans". Ok, I know > there's some mistakes in that book, so how does she sing it? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 07:47:54 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Joni in today's NY Times There is an article in today's NY Times by Albert Innaurato on the place of women in music, from pop to classical. Here's what he says about Joni: It has been easier for women to compose pop. But successful women are often more readily co-opted by commercial forces than men are. There are sad, even tragic stories about significant figures like Laura Nyro and Joni Mitchell who for all their success had to fight the record industry to stay viable. With all respect to the estimable Ned Rorem and the magnificent Francis Poulenc, it could be argued Mitchell is one of the great song composers of the 20th century, more impressive for writing her own words. Like Franz Schubert's, her music erupts from a deeply felt, idiosyncratic emotional life, outside the mainstream. Schubert was probably a homosexual. Both his great song cycles, "Winterreise" and "Die Schöene Müllerin," and the majority of his songs to poems by others deal with blighted love. Ms. Mitchell, a fiercely independent woman long before the Baptists felt it necessary to remind us that women are subject to men, has also fought battles over validation. Schubert deliberately plays with conventional forms and accompaniments (like the Alberti bass) only to shock the ear with unprepared changes and shifts. Ms. Mitchell, with a finely judged irony, uses the conventions of blues, rock and folk to add bite and surprise to her songs. She's not as daring as Schubert harmonically, but has fought to achieve liberation not just from men but from the inhibiting chord progressions of most successful pop. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 07:39:30 EDT From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: Joni lps and singles One of my initial posts was a call for people that collect or trade singles, vinyl, of Joni.This was met with nearly no response. Somebody is buying all this stuff! I must post again as I am hoping someone out there has some info. Here are some requests: 1) Does anyone have a MONO copy of the first Joni lp or know if one exists? 2) I am looking for a couple singles that are not so rare , if you can help please e- mail me. I will gladly share what i know exists at this point. 3) Did Reprise ever fix the error on the first record with the incorrect length of times for "If I Had a King" and "Night in the City". Maybe on the cd? The times are wrong on the promo single also. Happy hunting! Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 09:29:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue Subject: Re: Joni in today's NY Times Deb, Thanks so much for the article. What a nice thing to wake up to on Sunday morning! Sue Cameron (Suze) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 09:35:41 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in today's NY Times In a message dated 8/2/98 7:38:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, messling@enter.net writes: << She's not as daring as Schubert harmonically, but has fought to achieve liberation not just from men but from the inhibiting chord progressions of most successful pop. >> Deb, Great article! Thanks for sharing- Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 10:28:05 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: fred simon group- the review is in Wolfebite@aol.com wrote: > well- my knowledge and vocabulary about jazz is limited- but what a fantastic > group!!! fred is an excellent composer and pianist- and ingrid graudins on > vocals was superb. fred's compositions were my fav- including a song from a > poem- the awakening? is that right? just a gem. > > i'm glad i went- and i hope all of you get a chance to hear him sometime. I > introduced myself briefly- and he's a real down to earth, charming man. Ahhhh, what a wonderful thing in our lil' cybercommunity of music lovers! So glad one of us finally had the great fortune of hearing our Fred live and meeting him... Thanks for the review, Dougie! Marsha, singing Fred's praises for a year ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 11:33:17 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: "Joni's Helplessly Hoping" Joni said in MOJO: Joni said to MOJO: "It's hard to say, because the last 20 years I've had no record company support, no radio support - the marketplace has been denied me, so I think a lot of those records, there's a bigger audience for it than it received." Dear jmdlers, My following marketing musings in quesitoning Joni's PR, are followed by an insightful article in the "BOston Globe" describing how ineffective radio and MTV has been in marketing new acts. I realize that Joni's no new act, but in this busines, with the exception of a sacred few, it's time for our Joni to wake up and smell her esspresso and take notice. As far as I can tell, these days it seems that musicians today are only as 'good' as their last show. NEW MARKETING STRATEGIES are being applied to promote ALL musicians currently,and I can't help but feel that Joni is at fault for her naivete in basically ignoring the power of internet marketing. The disregard, **I feel**, she and "her people" have shown towards the Joni MItchell internet community, alone, speaks volumes. (OK, so Wally and Les have had a few perks...and OK they needed some people to fill a few seats at a priate show...BIG WOOP! I think if this is Joni's and "her people's idea of cutting-edge PR and promotion----Im not surppised that record's aren't selling and she has to tour with Bob and Van to fill a stadium. ) Joni's web site has been around since, what 1996???, isn't it amazing how underutilized it has been by she and "her people?" Heck, bands like the Boston band, "Guster," have increasingly popular incentive programs, via the INTERNET, of giving fans free tickets to its shows if they sell Guster merchandise and CDs. (This may not be something Joni would do, but certainly there must be something more.) I can't help but feel that part of the problem lies in the fact that people like Laura Nyro and Joni are reclusive/stubborn by nature and put too much trust in expecting business "professionals" to do thier jobs effectively. I know with our start-up business--- marketing people/lawyers are ancillary. We are contracting their services HOWEVER, we have had to be "on them" frequently because it's the business way, to put the "little money-makers" on the bottom of the pile in order to take time to address the growing demands of their 'cash cow' clients. Joni's gotta be her own advocate taking on the attitude that promotion-power fundamentally starts through her own drive and motivation. Promotion and PR is not rocket sciene, it's tricky, no doubt, but there's a huge percentage of desire, heart and soul **by the creator** which drives the PR formula. So everytime I read helpless complaints such as those listed below----- which I agree---are in part rooted in powers beyond Joni's control, however, I can't help but think to myself, "Hellllllllloooooowoooooooo Joni, what have **you** done to help take control of your career?" ************Jmdlers, if you're interested in discussing this, please let's not turn this into a flame war, but lets explore these concepts so we are enlightened by the synergy of our collective opinions. ***************** From the BOSTON GLOBE: ROCK'S NEW RULES "The message is clear. Radio and MTV,the twin towers of music promotion, can no longer be relied on to break new bands into the mainstream. Many acts have tried, but most have failed to dent radio's restrictive formats and MTV's increased on non-music programming. A band has a better chance of waiting for Godot than of hearing its single played on a major radio station or seeing it's video on MTV. WITH THESE ODDS, IT'S NO WONDER THAT ARTISTS AND LABELS ARE FORGING NEW STRATEGIES TO MUSIC ACROSS TO THE PUBLIC Today's artists and record labels --- tired of getting nixed by radio and MTV -- are WISING UP. They're reaching consumers by such diverse tactics as handing out sampler albums at (various events), BUILDING UP ONLINE SERVICES (AND GIVING REVIEW COPIES OF ALBUMS TO INTERNET WRITERS, seeking tactics on network talk shows and booking "residency" tours for acts that play weekly in various regional clubs. Jewel, for instane, gained more marketing clout by playing in high schools wherever she went. From the NY TIMES (Thanks Deb M + a big photo appears too!): "There are sad, even tragic stories about significant figures like Laura Nyro and Joni Mitchell who for all their success had to fight the record industry to stay viable." Joni said in MOJO: "It's hard to say, because the last 20 years I've had no record company support, no radio support - the marketplace has been denied me, so I think a lot of those records, there's a bigger audience for it than it received." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 11:42:19 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: woops Sorry for the sloppy cut and paste job of my previous post. I have a bad habit of sending these posts off before proof reading. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 11:41:12 EDT From: DKasc13293@aol.com Subject: Re: "Joni's Helplessly Hoping" Julie, 100% ABSOLUTE COMPLETE AGREEMENT I believe that the TTT press launch and high-profile participation by Joni will be something we all haven't seen for very, very, very long time. In a sense, she has smelled the espresso backstage. Well written post too. Yours, from my sycamore, Duane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 17:04:53 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: "Joni's Helplessly Hoping" I have no idea how this business works. It does not surprise me tho that joni is not that popular or well known or marketed. niethr is carly Simon, Janis Ian, Dar Williams, Donna Summer, or any of the older ones. The charts here are full of rap/soul and that is about it. All sounds the same to me and dull. I can't remember Tracy Chapman getting much pulicity for her last album or Tori Amos or Sinead O'conner for that matter. (Don't forget I am talking about UK). We get VH1 and MTV and i find both boring tho they do show some old stuff that is good. It seems to me that chart music hasd always been mainly shallow. Dance and with simple sexx based lyrics. Tunes seem to be what makes hit-something people can remember. Songs with deep thought ful lryics and little melody are not going to get very far. Something catchy, and imo, clever and funny, like barbie, is bound to be a success. When was the last time Bowie, Floyd, Zeppelin, Sabbath, Jarre, Slade, Genesis etc etc have a hit? It seems that new people arive, have one or two hits, and then seem to disapper but continue to make records. I remeber someone asking me what my music was that I had on. When I said it was Joni he was shocked-he thought she quit after C&S and also did not recognize the voice.(i had on TI). I cannot imagine Joni being a huge hit. I could with carly as her songs her more she also isn't a huge hit. Maybe it's cos they are in their 50's! And we all know that the world exisst for young things with some thing to say. They are both old enough to be these youngtsers gran's! At least niether Joni or carly look as daft as the Stones now do! I don't see why anyone should flame you, Julie but then people have weird minds. colin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:01:57 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: my first of august (yes, jc!) i woke up to npr yesterday, and they did an interview with phoebe snow, who's promoting her new album 'i can't complain'. i'll try to paraphrase. npr: it's been strange in your career, hasn't it, that though you're more of a blues person like bonnie raitt, you've been compared more often to a singer/songwriter like joni mitchell? snow: well i am just honored to be compared with either of these magnificent artists. npr: tell us about 'a case of you' snow: it's from 'blue' which is the all-time greatest tragic romantic album. michael mcdonald and i were supposed to do it as a duet, that fell through but i still had to sing the song. Then she sang the first and third verses. she sang a couple of other songs, told a great story about seeing raitt and keb 'mo duet on approximately the second blues song she ever learned, afterwards, backstage, bonnie told her it was one of the first blues she learned. you can download the audio from http://www.npr.org, just do a search on phoebe snow. maybe someone could actually transcribe the joni portion. the whole interview is 17 minutes. god, i love national public radio! patrick np - gershwin - rhapsody in blue - perfect sunday music ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:28:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Ross Subject: Re: Fred Simon ~ Solo Piano Album (NJC) I'm sure it's tasty from what I know of Fred. . . and how nice nobody calls this spamming! let all interests flourish say I. TR On Thu, 30 Jul 1998 FredNow@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/30/98 8:51:40 AM, simon@icu.com wrote: > > >hey Fred, > > > >nice going. the nature sounds aren't really an intrusion. > > > >as for the music ... well it IS Brian Wilson. > > > >y'all really should check out Fred's new CD as well as The Beach Boys > >"PET SOUNDS SESSIONS" Boxed Set, produced by Brian Wilson. > > Thanks so much, Simon, I really appreciate the kind words (plus, anyone with > Simon in their name is cool in my book). > > You, know when I heard the ocean sounds the record company put behind the > music I honestly dug it; you're right, they don't get in the way of the music, > mixed well underneath, and, truth be told, I could listen to the ocean itself > all day. I have to say that this is one of the most successful marriages of > music and environmental sounds I've heard; it makes actual musical sense ... > after all, it is the Beach Boys. > > I also agree with all the sentiments about Brian Wilson; his Beach Boys work > is pure genius. When I was preparing for the project I got the Pet Sounds box > set and heartily recommend it to everyone; it has the first official stereo > mix of the album, which was originally released in mono because Brian is deaf > in one ear (the result, he says, of his father having regularly boxed his > ears). The mix in stereo is a big improvement because of how dense the > orchestration is; this gives more space and clarity. There are also discs of > Brian rehearsing the musicians, and of instrumental tracks without vocals and > vice versa. > > Thanks again for the nice plug. > > -Fred > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:20:35 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: lyrics, even cocteau twins lyrics! (njc) wally asked if anyone can understand what liz frazer is saying, and i found a site that seems to have puzzled out huge chunks of cocteau twins lyrics. wild reading, especially if you've never even bothered to guess. http://www.dyadel.net/~lenny/cocteau.htm here's a sample, 'ivo' (named after the owner of 4ad, cocteau's label). the song is off of what i think must be their best album, 'the pink opaque'. it's also on 'treasure'. ivo peep hole, peach blow, pandora, pompadour pale leaf, pink sweet, persephone, near our ivo peep peep hole, bit animal, peep peep he didn't deal, little ivo, peep peep hole with the part animal, peep peep, near our ivo peep peep hole, bit animal, peep peep he didn't deal, little ivo peep peep hole with the part animal (x2) predentive, predo pra-da-da-dee peep hole, peach blow, pandora, pompadour pale leaf, pink sweet, persephone (x2) near our ivo peep peep hole bit animal peep peep he didn't deal, little ivo peep peep hole with the part animal peep peep (x2) peep hole, peach blow , pandora ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 18:46:37 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: "Joni's Helplessly Hoping" It's been a while since I last posted to the JMDL, but I've been following the various threads that have cropped up lately. When the discussion is good on here, it really is worth taking it all in, and the last few days have been particularly interesting. Anyhow, for a change there is a subject I feel I can at least contribute to with some degree of knowledge or experience The UK music industry is, I'm afraid to say, in a sorry state right now, as Colin pointed out in his last post. catman wrote: > The charts here are full of rap/soul and that is about it. All sounds the same to me > and dull. Too right! God, one look at the UK charts for 1998 will tell you how bad things have gotten here. It's so driven and manipulated by marketing and "special deals" for the major retailers, that there's little room for the more thoughtful artists and bands these days. Not even an appearance on the once-so-influential Top Of The Tops has any discernable effect on sales (witness Plant & Page's sensational performance, followed by a sharp drop from No.26 to No.53 the next week!). As a lover of all types of contemporary music (incl. pop), it's depressing to see the charts full of generic dance (can we call it "black" anymore?) music week-in, week-out. When Prince used "short-hand" like "U", "2", "4" in his titles, and other r'n'b tracks occasionally included similar abbreviations/colloqulisms, it seemed harmless enough (agreed, even the term "Rock'N'Roll" comes under the same umbrella), but now it would be almost comical if the music it accompanied wasn't so inane. Dance music shouldn't have to be free of intellect, surely? What about Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, even Michael and Janet Jackson ? > I can't remember Tracy Chapman getting much pulicity for her last album or Tori Amos > or Sinead O'conner for that matter. (Don't forget I am talking about UK). No, Tracy Chapman's success in the US with her last album (and Top 3 single) had no effect whatsoever on her low-profile here since Crossroads failed to match the phenomenal sales of her debut. Tori got on TOTP and the cover of Q magazine, but the album sold very disappointingly, even by her "marginal" standards. Sinead's Best Of collection just scraped the Top 30, which I found very surprising given her previous track record of popularity in Britain. > It seems to me that chart music has always been mainly shallow. Dance and with simple > sex based lyrics. Tunes seem to be what makes hits -something people can remember. > Songs with deep thoughtful lryics and little melody are not going to get very far. Colin has a valid point here. I suppose it's a symptom of growing older, but we all probably find ourselves saying "the charts just aren't what they used to be...." (I do, and I'm only 27!) But check out the Top 20 for any month in any given year during the 70's or '80s, and you'll be surprised how much "junk" there was, "junk" which your brain has (perhaps thankfully) erased from memory. The only trouble is, where once you'd have at least two or three "quality" songs and artists in there each week, now we're lucky if we get that amount each YEAR hitting the charts. Don't get me wrong, I love pop music, and songs like Savage Garden's Truly Madly Deeply, Natalie Imbruglia's Torn, and heck even Stop by The Spice Girls are great pop. > Something catchy, and imo, clever and funny, like barbie, is bound to be a success. Yes, we're in a Fast Culture now....everything's geared up to NOW NOW NOW, and quick! The UK media is playing, talking about and promoting TOMORROW's hits and trends before YESTERDAY's have had a chance to lodge themselves in the public's conscioussnes. > When was the last time Bowie, Floyd, Zeppelin, Sabbath, Jarre, Slade, Genesis etc etc > have a hit? It seems that new people arrive, have one or two hits, and then seem to > disappear but continue to make records. I suspect that before too long we'll do what the US music industry has done, and eliminate the whole business of releasing and selling singles in favour of concentrating on the more lucrative album market, where the likes of Floyd, Genesis, Rolling Stones, and Zeppelin still manage to thrive amid the latest Rap and R'N'B monster sellers. In the UK, all Joni albums since the late '70s have sold more or less the same amount - their chart positions only vary depending on the time of year each release came out. Turbulent Indigo made No.54 thanks to being released in November (the "silly season" here), while Chalk Mark got to No.26 due to its March release date. I expect TTT will receive glowing reviews, and then chart somewhere between No.20 and No.30, and drop out after 3 or 4 weeks. That's how it is these days - Jackson Browne, Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan even, all suffer a similar fate. Don Henley's Greatest Hits album a few years back didn't even make the Top 100...... Anyway, apologies for rambling, Jason. > colin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 19:47:01 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: "Joni's Helplessly Hoping" I wouldn't class what you wrote as rambling at all. Regarding what you said about the 70's and 80's charts, of course you are right. Even when I was a teenager I didn't like chart music, much. I think the only time I was into someone that everyone else was was Donna Summer in 77-79 but that may have had more to do with me getting to London and the 'gay scene'. Almost everyone else I have ever liked has not been a chart success. I actually don't listen to the radio and when I do it is usually news/chat. I find it too tedious to have to listen to loads of songs I don't like in order to hear something I do. I don't know about others, but I have to listen to something several times before I know whether or not I like it, so I guess I am not a good market for radio! If you asked me whether or not I liked TI when i had only heard it once, I would answer no. After the fourth listen, I would have said this is the best record I have heard! However, very few albums/artists appeal even after the 4th listen. I guess I am fussy. One album I remember liking the first listen was Dreams by Grace Slick. Don't know why that clicked straight off, it just did. colin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 13:00:50 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: NJC - Request for info Joniphiles - Is there any non-digest list member who has copies of all the posts issued over the last 48 hours? If so, please contact me privately. Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:00:01 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: "Joni's Helplessly Hoping" Julie, Well thought out! I agree, it's time Joni starts addressing this proactively. I think part of the problem has been the mindset of the 60s, the distastefulness of employing lawyers and business people in promoting high art. But that's the way it goes. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:10:04 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: NJC the charts (was Joni's Helplessly Hoping) It was written: <<>> I just want to put a quick word in regarding the trashing of rap and R&B monster sellers. With only a couple of exceptions that come to mind (Will Smith and Mariah Carey being the most egregious), the rap and R&B that climbs the charts in the US is consistently of a *MUCH* higher quality than the successful rock songs/albums. Missy Elliott, Wyclef Jean, Erykah Badu, the Wu-Tang Clan, the Beastie Boys, Mary J. Blige, and Busta Rhymes are at the vanguard of music, both artistically and commercially. Their sounds influence other musicians almost as soon as their records are released. Even Brandy and Monica's fluffy duet "The Boy is Mine" is more bearable than over-earnest tripe like Matchbox 20's "3 A.M." and Semisonic's "Closing Time." I follow the U.S. charts somewhat closely and I am consistently more disgusted by the Modern Rock charts than the general top 40. And with Nirvana, Hole, PJ Harvey, REM, Smashing Pumpkins, Pavement, Sonic Youth, Portishead, Bjork, Patti Smith, and countless indie bands residing in my CD collection, it's not just because I don't like rock--it's because the rock that is popular is terrible. Of all the rock albums released last year, only Radiohead's struck me as an instant classic. I can think of at least five R&B and rap albums from last year that deserve that consideration. And they all sold better than Radiohead's (in the states anyway). My point? Top 40 may suck, but it's not R&B and rap that's causing the bulk of the problem. It's pop (Celine Dion) and rock (Wallflowers) that is. All MHO... - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:41:15 +0200 (CEST) From: cco@xs4all.nl Subject: Holland Festival If you want to listen to the arrangement (midi version) for the Mondriaan String Quartet of "Cherokee Louise" (arrangement by Tony Overwater), performed at the Joni Mitchell Tribute in Amsterdam last June, go to: www1.tip.nl/~t192350/news.html Monica ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:43:54 -0700 From: "Dan Metziga" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V3 #286 I'm new to the list - is their any way I can get tape tree 1 -6? Thanks. danray@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:53:14 -0400 From: Franco Subject: Joni\Jaco\Hejira I wouldn't doubt that it was Jaco. But, it must be realized that Jaco, as incredibly great as he was, was often prone to exaggerating his exploits. His contribution to Hejira was indeed immense. I remember the first time I ever heard Refuge of the Roads. I couldn't believe what I was hearing (actually the whole album had that effect on me!). But if you listen to Jaco's early solo stuff ( such as Continuum off "Jaco Pastorius"), you'll see the sound is his. Joni just harnessed it. - --------- Franco --------- Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 08:01:41 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: Jaco/Joni Herjira > I still wonder what the balance of the input was between them, I suspect Does anyone remember an interview with Jaco in which he said he had to rescue Joni from the hopeless mess she had started to create in DJRD? He said something like she had no idea what she was doing in the studio and it was lucky he flew in to bail her out. I'm paraphrasing wildly and maybe it wasn't even Jaco, but I think it was. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:18:01 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Two Songs From Rare Tape A while back, there was discussion about a reel tape of Joni's that was to be auctioned off. I found a site where you can hear snippets of Carnival In Kenora and A Melody In Your Name. Enjoy- Terry JONI MITCHELL TAPE AUCTION or http://www.psychedelia.demon.co.uk/jm.html You'll need Real Audio, I believe. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:37:08 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Two Songs From Rare Tape It wouldn't load for me-Carnival in Kenora is one Tape Tree 3, 1st tape, BTW. At 10:18 PM -0400 8/2/98, TerryM2442@aol.com wrote: >A while back, there was discussion about a reel tape of Joni's that was to be >auctioned off. I found a site where you can hear snippets of Carnival In >Kenora and A Melody In Your Name. Enjoy- > >Terry > > JONI MITCHELL TAPE AUCTION >or > >http://www.psychedelia.demon.co.uk/jm.html > >You'll need Real Audio, I believe. > >Terry ____________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |__________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:53:50 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Two Songs From Rare Tape At 10:18 PM 8/2/98 -0400, TerryM2442@aol.com wrote: >A while back, there was discussion about a reel tape of Joni's that was to be >auctioned off. I found a site where you can hear snippets of Carnival In >Kenora and A Melody In Your Name. Enjoy- But remember please folks.... We are working on getting this tape for the JM Internet Community. Anyone else who bids on it only serves to drive up the price on us and put it further out of our reach. We'll share it if we get it... Scout's honor! Les ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:03:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Two Songs From Rare Tape - ---TerryM2442@aol.com wrote: > > A while back, there was discussion about a reel tape of Joni's that was to be > auctioned off. I found a site where you can hear snippets of Carnival In > Kenora and A Melody In Your Name. Enjoy- > > Terry > > JONI MITCHELL TAPE AUCTION > or > > http://www.psychedelia.demon.co.uk/jm.html > > You'll need Real Audio, I believe. > > Terry > Interseting line-up, especially Carnival in Korea :-) Most of these unreleased songs appear on the Tape Trees fro the 2nd Fret in Phila. But some of them do not. simon - what can you tell us??? URGE FOR GOING BORN TO TAKE THE HIGHWAY CIRCLE GAME COME TO THE SUNSHINE PLAY LITTLE DAVID JUST LIKE ME CARNIVAL IN KOREA EASTERN RAIN NIGHT IN THE CITY A MELODY IN YOUR NAME CHELSEA MORNING I DONT KNOW WHERE I STAND FROM BOTH SIDES NOW SONGS FROM AGEING CHILDREN COME WINTER LADY MICHAEL FROM MOUNTAIN All songs are original compositions barring the final track, which was originally recorded by Judy Collins. And didn't our Joni write Michael from Mountains, or have we all been bamboozled all these years?? Brian === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right NP: Tape Tree #7 - Pauley Pavilion (thank you simon) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 13:13:43 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: Re: NJC - Alcohol / drugs On Fri, 31 Jul 1998 MP123A321@aol.com (Maurice) wrote: > This is a real conflict with the insurance companies and the Vet > Administration that have and may still consider drug / alcohol dependence a > "self inflicted" disorder. In a way this is true, I believe, that is not to say 'damn all those addicts, they don't need help they've done it to themselves' oh no, far from it. My sister confessed to me the reason she got involved in heroin and thus became a 'junkie' led from not only ongoing psychological problems but also her idea that this was the sort of lifestyle she liked the idea of leading, strange as it may seem to those 'on the outside'. Now knowing this, I do not stop all my attempts at helping her out when she wants help, even though she has sadly chosen to live the way she does. thats all. bye! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:20:45 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Two Songs From Rare Tape > A while back, there was discussion about a reel tape of Joni's that was to be > auctioned off. I found a site where you can hear snippets of Carnival In > Kenora and A Melody In Your Name. Enjoy- > > http://www.psychedelia.demon.co.uk/jm.html Thanks Terry! I wished for years to hear these songs as played by Joni. I used to play them on the piano (from the first songbook) but you never know how they *really* sound until you hear Joni sing them. Carnival in Kenora sounded pretty much like I thought it would when I heard it on the tape tree but finally hearing Melody In Your Name tonight was a complete and wonderful surprise to me! I wish Joni would record and release these - they *don't* sound like the songs of an ingenue to me!! Crossing my fingers for the JMDL contingent for the tape. Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #287 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?