From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #285 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, July 31 1998 Volume 03 : Number 285 TapeTree 7 sign-up is closing on Sunday, August 2nd. Go to to sign up ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- FW: Starart [davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greenstein)] TapeTree closing on Sunday [Les Irvin ] NJC: PVT RYAN and Parent Trap ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Maryland Joniphiles [Bounced Message ] Re: Joni Dementia [AzeemAK@aol.com] Nico's thoughts on hippies (NJC) [Bolvangar@aol.com] Re: yoni (most definitely NJC) [catman ] Gillian Welch [Steve Dulson ] a little coke? big deal! (NJC) [simon@icu.com] Re: NJC: PVT RYAN and Parent Trap [catman ] RE: BowieNet (njc) netiquette [trxschwa ] Yawn, again...(NJC) [Marsha ] Re: FW: Joni Dementia (going NJC) [Marsha ] Bethel updates [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Bethel updates [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Re: Joni Dementia, the drug experience (NJC) [briano@interisland.net (Odl] NJC - Lucinda Williams & Cowboy Junkies [Mark or Travis ] Re: Starart and other goodies at bibliofind ["Kakki" ] RE: FW: Joni Dementia (totally NJC) [Michael Yarbrough ] Re:the drug experience (NJC) [briano@interisland.net (Odlum, Brian)] Re: FW: Joni Dementia (totally NJC) [catman ] Re: a little coke? big deal! (NJC) [Mark Domyancich ] (NJC) Re: Poly drug abuse (totally NJC) [Marsha ] Re: Parent Trapped (NJC) [Bolvangar@aol.com] Was it Jaco...or Joni [Bounced Message ] Lewis Carroll, drugs & Brett (NJC) [BarBearUh ] Re: Parent Trap [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: yoni (most definitely NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: NCJ Parent Trapped [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Joni Mitchell & Morrissey HDCD Interview CD ["John T. Folden" ] RE: Joni Mitchell & Morrissey HDCD Interview CD ["John T. Folden" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:25:43 -0700 From: davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greenstein) Subject: FW: Starart Forwarding this message from Deb Messling to the list..... - -----Original Message----- From: Deb Messling [mailto:deb@bccls.org] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 1998 1:45 PM To: davina@pacificsw.com Subject: Starart I just purchased Starart using the Bibliofind search engine, which lets you search a national database of used and rare books. They located a used (but impeccable) copy at Ken Lopez Books in Hadley, MA. Judging from their catalog, they seem to specialize in 1960s-era books. They were very nice and their service was first-rate. URL for bibliofind is http://www.bibliofind.com/ There is a starart book for sale on the ebay web site. Search under Joni Mitchell. Deb Messling Internet Services Librarian Bergen County Cooperative Library System Hackensack, New Jersey http://www.bccls.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:40:00 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: TapeTree closing on Sunday Hi folks - The sign-up form for TapeTree #7 will be closing on Sunday, August 2nd. If you haven't yet signed up, do so now at: http://www.jmdl.com/tape/ Thanks! Les ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:47:51 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: NJC: PVT RYAN and Parent Trap At 02:49 PM 7/30/98 EDT, Uncle Dutch Paul wrote: >As for the film, since Julie has been too busy sharing OUR party headquarters >with a bunch of Italian nurses to post a review of this film, let me say I >thought it was the most outstanding movie about war I've ever seen. Hi Paul and Joni Film Lovers, I have been sitting on "Private Ryan" because it's not a movie, it goes far beyond that. "Private Ryan's" not an easy film to watch. I have children and the whole concept of how anything could be settled on a battlefield is so absurd and deeply disturbing to me-----that normally I never think about war-----**I don't go there** as I sit so stress-free in my sheltered world. And this is exactly why films like 'Private Ryan,' 'Amisted,' 'Kundun' and 'Schinlder's List' should absolutely be supported, because this fucking insanity keeps happening and we need to be reminded of that. So if you frequent the movies, but don't think you can 'handle' this film, then know that you're part of the reason why movies as realistic as these are such an incredible risk. And on a much lighter note---more representative of my pablum environment, if you loved Haley Mills in the "Parent Trap" I was pleasantly suprised to discover just how satisfying AND charming the remake is. Dennis Quaid beats Brian Keith, hands down, in the hunk department and the twins are excellent actresses. This movie is the best children's movie out this summer, and perhaps the first one to keep me on the edge of my seat anticipating the 'Dennis Quaid/Natasha Richardson' lust plot. It beats "Mulan" and "Madeline" hands down. My daughter says it's six thousand times better and my sons loved it too. JulieZW, who locked her keys in her minivan today for the first time in my life ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:44:09 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Maryland Joniphiles Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:30:41 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Hello- I will be visiting Baltimore and Takoma Park, MD from September 9 through September 20. My company is exhibiting at the Natural Products Expo East trade show at the Baltimore Convention Center. I'm staying an extra week after the show to visit with relatives and I'd love to meet any local Joniphiles. Respond to me privately at stevem@cruzio.com. Leslie Mixon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:44:31 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Dementia In a message dated 7/29/98 11:03:45AM, hz@famelon.demon.co.uk writes: << I wrote some of very good material on heroin. Song for Sharon I wrote, I think, on heroin. This is from the Q interview in 1988 written by Tom Sutcliffe (I think). >> Omigod!! It wasn't heroin! It was cocaine, my friend; I know some lawyers in case you get sued... I remember that interview too, and I'm sure she said smack was the one drug she DIDN'T try. What stuck in my mind was her explanation of why she didn't try it: "I figured the worst thing that could happen would be that I liked it". Peace and love, Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:17:38 EDT From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: Nico's thoughts on hippies (NJC) Sean wrote: > > " . . . while at Helen David, models wore patchwork dresses and scarves, > psychedelic velvet skirts, embroidered sheepskin coats and knee-length > boots, and sashayed down the catwalk to vintage Fleetwood Mac, Patti Smith, > Nico [David's interjection: you mean like "Janitor of Lunacy"??!?] > and Kate Bush." "I was not a hippie. It was never true to say that, not to Jim Morrison either, nor to Brian Jones. We were bohemians. Do you understand the difference? Bohemians know they are not hippies, but hippies don't know they are not bohemians. Shall I tell you something about hippies that I didn't like? Well, they were always selling you something. They would try to sell you dope, or patchouli oil, or themselves, or what they were thinking. It was like a Black Market, it was 'der Schwarzmarkt' all over again. Do you know where they lived so much, in Haight-Ashbury inside of San Francisco? That was their ghetto. It was like Kreuzberg [in Berlin]. It was a Purple Market. That is a perfect hippie colour. A Purple Haze Market. What is that in German?" Nico's _The Marble Index_ (with arrangements by John Cale) is one of my favorite albums of all time. - --David NP: The Replacements, _Let It Be_ ("Tommy Gets His Tonsils Out") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:19:22 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: yoni (most definitely NJC) I saw an Oprah where she was interviewing a native American woman. To my horror I discovered that a 'squaw', as we white people called female native Americans, is a vagina and therfore the term squaw is definately offensive. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:18:26 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Gillian Welch Simon wrote: >check it out. >how IS is possible for someone as young and from a surburban background >... to sound so 'old country' Gillian and partner David Rawlings are touring to support the new CD. I'm going to the Troubadour next Wednesday. Check them out, indeed, if you have the chance. Best, ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:46:49 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: a little coke? big deal! (NJC) Marsha writes > > >someone wrote and assumed: > >> a little coke? big deal! who didn't? > >gazzillion's of us who had/have no desire to alter our >brain chemistry to that extent...have worked in health care and >watched folks DIE from > >Marsha, prefers Pepsi Whoopie for U! it's interesting that you choose to respond to my post and yet ignored the following two messages ... BTW: my name is simon, not 'someone' and i assumed nothing. i said, and state again "a little coke? big deal!" >__________________________________________________________________________ >From: LRFye@aol.com >Subject: Joni Dementia >Date: Wed. July 29, 1998 > >Paul wrote: > >>Are "Alice In Wonderland" or any of zillions of other stories, books, >>songs or whatever any less of a work because the creator experimented >>with drugs at a time when such experimentation was not only encouraged, >>but was de rigeur among artists? >> >>Even IF you think drugs today are bad for you, don't be such historical >>revisionists or rose-colored glass wearers. Such an attitude is ridiculous. > >I concur with Paul. From my own personal experiences, I view certain drugs >as simply being aids to opening some of the mind's many doors ... some of >my best ideas and most profound philosophies occurred while I was under the >influence of something or other, and I not only remember these but continue >to live a better life with such knowledge. > >Lori >in San Antonio >__________________________________________________________________________ Lori, thankx for your honesty ... and thankx also to Paul for his observations. FWIW: Pepsi contains caffeine. Coca-Cola *once* contained "extract of the coca leaf." why do you think they called it COCA Cola? - ------- simon - ------- PS. how many is a gazzillion anyway? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:42:56 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC: PVT RYAN and Parent Trap I often wonder if such films are just seen by those that already are sensitised to the issues. I know for that I have to make sure I am strong before I consider watching something like this and then i prefer to watch on video. I remeber certain scenes from films that have hurt me me terribly. A few years ago there was a WW1 series on the tv. It concentrated on the evil of shooting young men, boys, for cowardice i.e shell shcok. In one scene an 18 yr old boy was tied to a chair and blindfolded and as the firing squad got ready to fire, he wet himself and called out 'mummy'. It still upsets me greatly. I saw the Green Berets when it came out, I couldn't have more than 8-9yrs old. I still remember some scenes vividly-i found them very disturbing. Last night, I saw Paradise Road. I wondered as I watched and churned and felt alternately rage and sadness, why the hell did I get this? The scene from Amistad where the people, real people, were chained and shoved off the boat to drown in the sea, makes me feel sick and will be added to those I shall not forget. however, my attitudes haven't changed-I always have objected to the mistreatment of people for whatever reason. i have always been aware of the humilaition and anguish caused. I really doubt the the Klan, anti semites, homophobes, or whatever will watch such films, and if they do doubt they will be affected. It would be nice to feel I was wrong on that-but these people seem so desensitized I don't see how they would feel anything much. My nieghbours watched that film with Brad Pitt, The Devil's Own. They thought it was propaganda and objected to the scene where Brad's character at 8 yrs old sees his father gunned down in front of him at the family table. This was shown in an effort to explain, not excuse, his later involvment with the IRA. My neighbours did not register the horror of shame or sadness-because it would have meant they would have to adjust their black/white thinking. I think many people are like that. I saw a cheapo Oddyssey also last night. The theme was gay, but wasn't obviously so at first. I think this film might have had a chance to change some attitudes because of the way it was told. It was based on a true story. A gay man is murdered. The murderer gets off cos lawyer concentrates on besmirching the gay man which made it easier for the jury to aquit the murderer. After all he was gay, so it didn't matter. The sister who taught in a Catholic school lost her job cos her brother was gay! Anyway, she goes ballistic and kidnaps the lawyer and teaches him a few lessons(which didn't affect him). She was defended by a black female lawyer and got away with 18 mths probation and 3 mths community service. Mind I guess I any homphobe wathcing it would not have been on her side and not enjoyed the film! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:51:50 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: RE: PVT RYAN and Parent Trap hey julie, you wrote: the twins are excellent actresses. but it was actually one girl! sounds like an amazing bit of filmcraft, from starrette and techpeople. patrick, with awfully fond memories of the original. the pranks were so evil! np - adams - gnarly buttons ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:46:37 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: RE: BowieNet (njc) netiquette hey linda, i thought you would want to know. when you just click reply and don't delete the original message, you send an incredibly long, mostly unnecessary message to everyone (because we've all read the original). if a jmdl subscriber is on digest (where you receive one or two messages a day containing 25 to 30 individual posts) he or she spends a fair time scrolling through the message and then just a little further down sees the whole thing again. i've been on digest, and things like this can be very frustrating. you probably want to be more watchful in the future. also, the original poster (peter, a cool guy from stockholm) neglected to label it (njc), which means no joni content. not your fault, but i always try to check my posts, even forwards and replies, and relabel them if necessary. it's good to watch for, as discussion often start off about joni and veer (another good reason why i speak so strongly against anyone deciding what's appropriate for the list.) several members have set their email clients to sort incoming messages, and incorrect labelling screws it up. as a prolific spewer of njc (cause i love the free-wheeling conversation aspect of the list) i try to be respectful to those who prefer to discuss joni and only joni. patrick np - adams - gnarly buttons btw, i agree, it's strange, how everything is becoming a brand name... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:31:50 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Yawn, again...(NJC) someone with the name of simon@icu.com wrote: > Whoopie for U! Thanks! > FWIW: Pepsi contains caffeine. > Coca-Cola *once* contained "extract of the coca leaf." > why do you think they called it COCA Cola? Good association that you picked up on the coca play on words with the drink preference. Glad to see your brain is not fried and got the clue! Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:36:53 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: FW: Joni Dementia (going NJC) Jerry Notaro wrote: > > Back in the old "smoke" days we used to pass the peace pipe, turn on the > reel-to-reel and play music, sing, discuss, philosophize, banter, > compose, etc. We were sure we were original, creative, and brilliant. > When our head would clear we would listen to the tape for gems. What a > laugh we got. Such babbling nonsense. I sure wish I had kept just one of > those tapes! Good point, Jerry. In my nursing days doing admission intakes for folks hopped up on single/various substances, many times we delayed getting an accurate patient-reported health and social history for the very reasons you state above. Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:47:59 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Bethel updates Hey now, Check out this website I found, especially the forums. http://www.swceweb.com/yasgur/updates/072998.html gdave NP: Tape of the Day 7/30/77 Jerry Garcia Band: Theatre 1839, SF, CA. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:55:40 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Bethel updates Hey now, Check out these websites and newsgroup I found, especially the forums. http://www.swceweb.com/yasgur/updates/072998.html http://venus.beseen.com/boardroom/j/17438 alt.gathering.woodstock gdave NP: Tape of the Day 7/30/77 Jerry Garcia Band: Theatre 1839, SF, CA. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:07:49 -0700 From: briano@interisland.net (Odlum, Brian) Subject: Re: Joni Dementia, the drug experience (NJC) Martin had been a little frightened to try LSD the first time - it had received such bad reports in the news media, reports of individuals killing themselves or going permanently insane. But there were those other reports as well, of people commanding copious quantities of new knowledge and insight in a matter of days or even hours. He had met Timothy Leary briefly at an outdoor music festival, and far from being the archetypal raving lunatic the press wanted so much to persecute, Martin had been impressed with his honesty and openness as a person - not at all the victim of self-aggrandizement or a demonic madman hungry for new disciples. Leary counseled self-acceptance and a willingness to relinquish rigidity of character as the antidotes to the potential dangers of the LSD. Martin sensed something true in this advise, for although he was only twenty years of age he was unconsciously attracted by anything in which the outcome of physical events was determined primarily by attitude. One sunny morning he `dropped acid' for the first time, accompanied by a friend on the beaches north of Malibu, and nine hours later had to admit that he had been permanently changed by the experience, although not in any capacity he would consider insane. Martin immediately understood that the drug temporarily suppressed all mechanisms of habitual perception, establishing a fresh and unfamiliar psychological relationship between the individual and the world, not unlike how a child experiences things for the first time. Without doubt this condition produced a state of near helplessness, precisely because it is those habits we have developed and polished over the years upon which we rely to organize reality into manageable components, and in their absence reality quickly becomes redefined, largely uncontrollable and potentially frightening. Indeed, the state produced by the drug in an adult human being was, in Martin's opinion, rightfully labeled `insanity', and it was easy to understand how panic could quickly overwhelm someone under its influence. But Martin also noticed that his own behavior was modified more by a reorganization of priorities that by an absence of control. He found that many ordinary functions, such as eating, dressing one's self, or speaking, did not become difficult so much as they became unimportant - there existed many other infinitely more compelling details in life which occupied one's attention. And it was precisely this new order of importance, this new sense of values, which allowed old habits to be modified, or new ones to be learned. In this sense LSD was not unlike falling in love, a temporary condition of `insanity' during which a person is momentarily capable of change, not because the facts of his past or present life have altered but because a powerful and seemingly irresistible force rearranges those facts into a different constellation, a constellation in which old desires are replaced by new ones of greater consequence. The drug and the altered perception it produced soon wore off, but the heavenly bodies of one's personality did not necessarily return to their original positions, just as the alterations of character engendered in a relationship of love endure long after the loved one is no longer a part of one's life. But unlike a love relationship, where the beloved's character and living example play an obvious role in the transformation, it remained a mystery to Martin exactly what forces were at work in determining the morphology of one values while under the influence of LSD. The only thing of which he was sure was the fact that those forces were not random. - ---------- > From: Marsha > To: Jerry Notaro > Cc: JMDL > Subject: Re: FW: Joni Dementia (going NJC) > Date: Thursday, July 30, 1998 5:36 PM > > Jerry Notaro wrote: > > > > Back in the old "smoke" days we used to pass the peace pipe, turn on the > > reel-to-reel and play music, sing, discuss, philosophize, banter, > > compose, etc. We were sure we were original, creative, and brilliant. > > When our head would clear we would listen to the tape for gems. What a > > laugh we got. Such babbling nonsense. I sure wish I had kept just one of > > those tapes! > > Good point, Jerry. In my nursing days doing admission intakes for folks > hopped up on single/various substances, many times we delayed getting an > accurate patient-reported health and social history for the very > reasons you state above. > > Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:11:27 -0700 From: Mark or Travis Subject: NJC - Lucinda Williams & Cowboy Junkies I just wanted to thank Sherrie Good and Bill Dollinger and the other JMDLers who recommended the new Lucinda Williams record. I bought it and at first didn't know what to think of it. Her voice is unique. The second time I started to think some of the songs were pretty good. Today I listened to it for the third time and I think I'm falling in love with it. Great songs and gritty, heartfelt delivery. Wonderful! Are any Seattle area JMDLers attending the Cowboy Junkies concert on August 16th at the Moore theatre? I ordered my single ticket yesterday as I couldn't find anybody who really wanted to go with me. And what do fellow CJ fans think of the new release? Kind of overproduced I think & I wonder why all the multi-tracking on the vocals but I do like it. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:44:35 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re:the drug experience (NJC) Odlum, Brian wrote: > it > remained a > mystery to Martin exactly what forces were at work in determining the > morphology of one > values while under the influence of LSD. The only thing of which he was > sure was the fact > that those forces were not random. Is Martin a famous surgeon, heavy machine operator, or airline pilot? Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:43:54 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Starart and other goodies at bibliofind Davina forwarded Deb's suggestion for STARART: > URL for bibliofind is http://www.bibliofind.com/ Wow, if you all want to find some real treasures, type in the word Joni Mitchell in the "other search terms" box at bibliofind. There are two copies of STARART, one at $50 and one signed by Debby Chesner at $79. (hmmpft, think I'll notify Book City that they will need to drop their price a couple hundred dollars). You can also find sheet music, the Rolling Thunder Logbook, Rolling Stones with Joni interviews and (hello,Duane) several copies of the 1977 Architectural Digest showing Joni's home along with other stuff. Thanks for the reference! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:58:26 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: FW: Joni Dementia (totally NJC) Marsha wrote: <<>> Just out of (genuine) curiosity, Marsha, was alcohol one of the single/various substances that led to this problem? - --Michael NP: Aretha Franklin, _The Queen of Soul, Vol. 1_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:01:58 -0700 From: "Alan Larson" Subject: Fucking Insanity --NJC-- I totally agree with your sentiments about movies like Private Ryan and Amistad, not to mention Schindler's List. And Steven Spielberg is the man. THE MAN. Absolutely. Whatever it is that sets some directors apart from others, he's got it. I just saw Amistad, and was just blown away by the fresh new perspective on slavery. When the leader of the slaves asked Anthony Hopkins how he changed their minds, and he said that he used his words, it just blew me away. The connection could not have been stronger. It was Anthony Hopkins' crowning moment, his pinnacle of achievement in my book. And he is truly a great actor. I enjoy reading your movie reviews, Julie, and just wanted to ask if you had some trouble locating a certain older Elton John album. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:02:40 -0700 From: briano@interisland.net (Odlum, Brian) Subject: Re:the drug experience (NJC) > Is Martin a famous surgeon, heavy machine operator, or > airline pilot? > > Marsha Ha! None of the above. He is a musician. But one of the points buried in the post was this - having a drug induced experience, and being changed by one, are two different things. Anyone who expects to perform surgery, operate heavy equipment, or fly an aircraft *while* under the influence of drugs is an idiot IMO. But I can imagine learning something profound *about* these activities, and one's relationship to them, from a drug experience. I wouldn't drink a glass of wine and expect to drive. I would drink a glass of wine and expect to make love. Just because a drug is incompatible with some experiences doesn't mean it's incompatible with all experiences. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 03:06:26 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: FW: Joni Dementia (totally NJC) As far as I am aware, the drug that does the most damage and kills the most people is alchohol, yes? The other day i took a some kids on a picnic. One was 12, from Marshall Texas, supposedly has a mood disorder and is medictaed. His bio dad left, is an alchohilc and ignores his son. His stepfather goes on violent alchohol binges-and ignores his stepson. Yet the only help this boy is considered to need is drugs to shut him up. At 12 yrs old. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:11:40 -0700 From: Michael Heath Subject: Re: STARART BOOKS NOW AVAILABLE! I have had a Starart book for years and had no idea it was so rare...or so expensive! Its a beautiful item, I can tell you. cul Davina Greenstein wrote: > Kakki wrote.... > > I just now received a call from Hollywood Book City that they have three (3) > STARART books in stock. The books are brand new - just out of the box. > Unfortunately, from the perspective of Joni debt, they want $250.00 each for > them. I told them that price was very high but they said they would not > come > down on the price because of the "difficulty involved in obtaining them." > > And on that note.... > > There is a starart book for sale on the ebay web site. Search under Joni > Mitchell. > > -Davina > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Kakki > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 1998 1:14 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: STARART BOOKS NOW AVAILABLE! > > I just now received a call from Hollywood Book City that they have three (3) > STARART books in stock. They books are brand new - just out of the box. > Unfortunately, from the perspective of Joni debt, they want $250.00 each for > them. I told them that price was very high but they said they would not > come > down on the price because of the "difficulty involved in obtaining them." > > For those who are still undeterred, Michael Walsh at Book City is standing > by > at (310) 466-2525. > > For those unfamiliar with this book, it includes around 45 Joni paintings, > along with the works of Ron Wood, John Mayall, Cat Stevens and other. It is > a > very rare book. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:35:54 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: RE: NCJ Parent Trapped At 07:51 PM 7/30/98 -0400, Patrick pointed out: >the twins are >excellent actresses. >but it was actually one girl! sounds like an amazing bit of filmcraft, from starrette and techpeople. Patrick, Well of course...it's so wierd, I had known that it was one actress, in fact during the movie, just like with the original 'Parent Trap' and the 'Patty Duke Show,' I found myself marveling at how well they managed to pull off the doubling of one human image. But at the same time, when I wrote the movie post to the jmdl list today----I was still caught up in the imaginative confines of the story, having just seen the movie a few hours earlier. Im such a cheap date, so easily swept away, -JulieZW, who still becomes teary-eyed while watching "Bambi." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:33:44 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: a little coke? big deal! (NJC) I don't know what is up with people lately. Marsha obviously didn't know who wrote "A little coke," because she would have said. Mark, Pepsi fan too At 7:46 PM -0400 7/30/98, simon@icu.com wrote: >Marsha writes >> >> >>someone wrote and assumed: >> >>> a little coke? big deal! who didn't? >> >>gazzillion's of us who had/have no desire to alter our >>brain chemistry to that extent...have worked in health care and >>watched folks DIE from >> >>Marsha, prefers Pepsi > > > >Whoopie for U! Blah, blah, blah!!! ____________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |__________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:47:56 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: (NJC) Re: Poly drug abuse (totally NJC) Michael Yarbrough wrote: > > Marsha wrote: > > << for folks hopped up on single/various substances, many times we > delayed getting an accurate patient-reported health and social > history for the very reasons you state above.>>> > > Just out of (genuine) curiosity, Marsha, was alcohol one of the > single/various substances that led to this problem? Yes, the substance ETOH (ethyl alcohol) was one of many chemicals patients abused and were delivered to our detox units for treatment, alone or in combination with other things such as PCP (angel dust), narcotic analgesics, marijuana, paint, glue, gasoline, cocaine, anxiolytics (such as Valium, Librium, Xanax, etc), Sterno, rubbing alcohol, colognes, perfumes, mouthwashes, White Out (yes, the correction fluid), street and pharmaceutical cocaine, sedative hypnotics (like Noctec, Dalmane, Halcion), and barbiturates (like pentobarbital, amo- and butobarbital and Seconal), to name a few off the top of my retired nurse head... We did not delineate alcohol as a separate "drug" of abuse from all the other substances, although untreated delirium tremens (the withdrawal from chronic alcohol abuse) has a 40% mortality rate. I think acute alcohol poisoning (like what the chugging college students do) has a higher death rate. Sorry, I don't know the blood content levels for death in chugging. Marsha, RN, assessor and intervener of life-threatening intoxication and withdrawal states of inpatients in acute detox units in hospitals from 1978-1996, among other things ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:52:21 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: a little coke? big deal! (NJC) In a message dated 7/30/98 7:46:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, simon@icu.com writes: << i said, and state again "a little coke? big deal!" >> Simon, It IS a big deal. Marsha, myself and many many others have seen first hand what a little coke can do to some folks. It's not very pleasant to help some come out of psychotic episodes from one "little coke" experience. And those that come out of it are the lucky ones. Pass the Pepsi- Terry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:51:42 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: the drug experience (NJC) Odlum, Brian wrote: > > > Is Martin a famous surgeon, heavy machine operator, or > > airline pilot? > > Ha! None of the above. He is a musician. Well, we know he was past inventing the Martin guitar. I don't find many highly responsible folks in society, like the above-mentioned (even after retirement) writing about their epiphanies on shit that makes them forget to eat, drink, find shelter, and not bore the rest of us... Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:55:40 EDT From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: Re: Parent Trapped (NJC) Julie Z. Webb wrote: <> Hey, just think, they're well on their way to doing it in real life. If they had waited for advances in cloning technology, the makers of The Parent Trap probably could have saved on special-effects production costs. ;) - --David NP: The Watersons, _For Pence and Spicy Ale_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:34:59 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Was it Jaco...or Joni From: "John Villasana" Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:40:13 -0500 Ben wrote: "As his playing contributes so much too that album - I wonder how much it was his original creativity or how much he was being directed by Joni ? If it was mainly his own maybe he deserves more credit - or does Joni compoise the whole bass section herself - then explain it to someone and just get them to play it?" I don't have any documents to prove my opinion, but based on my knowledge of Jaco's music, I would be very surprized if Jaco took direction from Joni. Jaco's style was pretty consistant and recognizable throughout his life, before and after Joni. I remember reading somewhere that on some of the recordings (not sure which), Mitchell merely sent the tapes to Jaco in New York, where he improvised a variety of takes on each song. It is important to remember IMHO, that Jaco was no mere session bassist. He was revered around the world as the most important bass player ever, even when he was alive. By all accounts he was startlingly creative, and bursting with musical ideas. There is a very good book my a fellow named Milkowski on his life with many interesting anecdotes. John Villasana The other San Antonian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:47:16 +0000 From: BarBearUh Subject: Lewis Carroll, drugs & Brett (NJC) Paul wrote: > Are "Alice In Wonderland" or any of zillions of other stories, books, songs or whatever any less of a work because the creator experimented with drugs at a time when such experimentation was not only encouraged, but was de rigeur among artists?" have to set the record straight here. there is no proof that the author of "alice in wonderland" ever did drugs, and most biographers and scholars of lewis carroll and his work don't think he did. we'll never know for sure one way or the other, but it seems rather unlikely. carroll was a kind of strange, prudish character. he was an oxford don, a teacher of mathematics at a conservative university. he probably dipped some snuff in his day, but he probably did not experiment much with drugs. grace slick was probably the one who has perpetuated this myth about carroll, using 'alice' as an excuse for her own experimentation with drugs. not that she doesn't have a valid argument, but i think she twists it a bit to rationalize her abuse of drugs. in the 60s, everyone was more than happy to believe that the books they grew up with advocated drug use, and thus the idea became accepted. San Antonio Lori wrote: "I concur with Paul. From my own personal experiences, I view certain drugs as simply being aids to opening some of the mind's many doors ... some of my best ideas and most profound philosophies occurred while I was under the influence of something or other, and I not only remember these but continue to live a better life with such knowledge." i'm with you here as well. i've gained many an insight under the influence. although i will never do acid again, i tried it a few times long ago. it was like a whole new world opened up to me, and as much as i don't want to do it again, i would never wish to have not had the experience. something just happened last week that i had to attribute to past drug experimentation. i was sailing and very relaxed. i got transfixed watching waves. i saw an incredible animation of swirling colors as i've never noticed before, and i thought to myself that this is one of those things that you have to learn how to see. not that it requires a drug experience to see it, but it helps. once your eyes are opened in a particular way, you gain the ability to more easily see in that spectrum. i was also touched by brett's post (and hope for the least pain in reinventing yourself, brett). i don't know if this is a digest problem, but the post ended quite abruptly, leaving me hanging: " Radiant she was as well a couple weeks ago when she stepped down from the bus for a visit home. Flowers, a special gift and a smile maintained her in that" barbara np: XTC, nonesuch ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:58:28 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Parent Trap In a message dated 98-07-30 19:59:07 EDT, trxschwa@bway.net writes: << the twins are excellent actresses. but it was actually one girl! sounds like an amazing bit of filmcraft, from starrette and techpeople. >> It can't be all that amazing if Hayley Mills did the same thing, playing both roles, about 35 years ago. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:12:28 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: yoni (most definitely NJC) In a message dated 98-07-30 15:35:47 EDT, Seanapper@aol.com writes: << >the term "Joni" which apparently shows up rather frequently >in the Kama Sutra and is translated as "vagina". >:) >> The National Lampoon's comedy album "Lemmings," which is a spoof on Woodstock, made that joke, calling her Yoni Mitchell . Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:14:15 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: NCJ Parent Trapped In a message dated 98-07-30 22:42:47 EDT, jzw@visint.com writes: << -JulieZW, who still becomes teary-eyed while watching "Bambi." >> Julie, I would submit to you there is as much senseless murder in "Bambi" than there is in "Saving Pvt. Ryan." Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:23:29 -0400 From: "John T. Folden" Subject: Joni Mitchell & Morrissey HDCD Interview CD Howdy all, I just acquired a mint copy of the HDCD Promotional JM & Morrissey Interview CD. Is this a rarity at all? Thanx, John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:57:58 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell & Morrissey HDCD Interview CD John asked: > I just acquired a mint copy of the HDCD Promotional JM & Morrissey Interview > CD. Is this a rarity at all? I acquired it last year and thought I'd scored a real find but, alas, some of the collectors on the list informed me that it was not so rare afterall (at least not among some listholders ;-) Kakki, thinking I should troll the ebay more often ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 02:23:25 -0400 From: "John T. Folden" Subject: RE: Joni Mitchell & Morrissey HDCD Interview CD > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Kakki > I acquired it last year and thought I'd scored a real find but, > alas, some of > the collectors on the list informed me that it was not so rare > afterall (at > least not among some listholders ;-) Oh, well then... might not be much point in offering copies to anyone interested, then... John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:47:00 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell & Morrissey HDCD Interview CD John wrote: > Oh, well then... might not be much point in offering copies to anyone > interested, then... Oh no, I wouldn't say that! I'd bet there is a significant percentage here who would definitely be interested. It's a fantastic item - Morissey is a great interviewer and there's lots of good Joni music. I just meant that I was given the impression it was not "rare" to collectors per se. Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #285 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?