From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #283 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, July 30 1998 Volume 03 : Number 283 TapeTree 7 is in the sign-up phase for leaves. Go to to sign up ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. 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(NOT) [simon@icu.com] TapeTree #7 (Contents) [simon@icu.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:14:48 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Editing art and failed education - was "a chorus line" (NJC) Brett-here it is illegal to mention homsexuality in schools. As for jews having to sit doen during the Lords Prayer-as a Catholic, I wasn't even allowed in the same room during assembly. We got to sit outside till it was over. Mind you, as a Catholic, we knew we were special and the rest were Heathen! It all seems so appaling to me. colin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:18:03 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: FW: Joni Dementia (going NJC) Paul wrote: > Are "Alice In Wonderland" or any of zillions of other stories, books, songs or whatever any less of a work because the creator experimented with drugs at a time when such experimentation was not only encouraged, but was de rigeur among artists? I concur with Paul. From my own personal experiences, I view certain drugs as simply being aids to opening some of the mind's many doors ... some of my best ideas and most profound philosophies occurred while I was under the influence of something or other, and I not only remember these but continue to live a better life with such knowledge. Lori in San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:17:15 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Been_Around,_but_Lost=A0_(totally_NJC)?= From: Brett Code Subject: Been Around, but Lost (totally NJC) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:47:59 -0600 Hi everyone, Always been a bit of a lurker, but for the last while I've been on a hejira. I think it has finally come to a resolution. As you'll see, I've been struggling with the end of my marriage. Yesterday, I thought I'd write the kind of personal essay that The Globe and Mail publishes every day. Because I had that audience in mind, it is a romanticized version of things, but I think it expresses where I've been and where I am - for what it's worth. Brett np: Jann Arden - Gasoline July 28, 1998: Today at lunch by myself in a crowded food court in a busy Calgary office tower, I burst into tears. Finding it impossible to pretend that the tears were cayenne-induced perspiration, I left. Most would be surprised to see me cry, because I have everything going for me. I am a successful lawyer in a successful firm, the name of which now includes my surname. My parents have become good friends of mine and are proud of my achievements. For years, I have been a volunteer with CUSO and have recently been named its Treasurer. Next year, with some luck, I'll be elected as CUSO's Chairperson. I've got a beautiful home in a great neighbourhood, an island of tolerance in a somewhat right wing town, and a bunch of tremendously stimulating and supportive friends. My home is filled with beautiful plants and a dog who loves me. My yoga practice is deep and insightful, and, after years of procrastination, I even own a car. One could dream of no better. So, why the tears? Because the aspect of my life by which I most closely define myself is ending. I am a lawyer and an international development worker; I am comfortable physically and financially, and I am a golfer, a skier, a student of yoga, a lover of things West African, of poetry, literature, music, art and theatre. I am all of those things but none of them, for me, come close to describing what I really am, which is Clare's husband. Since we met in France 13 years ago, it's all I've ever wanted to be, all I want to be now. We had a magical beginning in a magical place. We lived in a postcard in an ancient part of a beautiful town in Britanny. We loved each other then and for years afterward, a happy, deep magical love. Just a couple years ago on this very page, while discussing infertility, she publicly expressed her love and spoke, among other things, about: "love for my husband and my desire to create new life from that love." Months have passed and not only does she have no children, she has no love, and I am about to become Clare's ex-husband. I was young, and she was younger. We were both still in college, but, unlike her, I had seen a bit more of the world, tasted some freedom, enjoyed some independence. She was tentative, uncertain, and relied on me for many things. I was determined to make us happy, to ensure she became and remained happy, sharing a mutual dependence that would somehow resemble independence. I would give her those things. For some time now, ours has not resembled the magical marriage it had been in the beginning. Unexplained infertility and the monthly emotional roller coaster took their toll. So also did my drive for success in both my professional and volunteer activities - signs of trouble or weakness were ignored; problems, left undiscussed; priorities, seemingly mis-ordered; and time, mis-spent. We had something beautiful; it got away; it broke. One day, I woke up to the slowly forming realization that Clare no longer loved me. Torrents of dissonant emotions tore at my disbelieving mind. In turn, each of sadness, surprise, fear, incomprehension, and even anger, paralyzed me. I slowly foundered into a kind of uncomprehending speechlessness which fundamentally eliminated any ability I had to deal with the loss of our love's mutuality. I tried, believe me. I now feel that, over the past months, I have done my best to undo the damage, to rebuild the trust; to re-establish the love: it has not worked. We can no longer have a conversation. Instead, we chase around ghosts - old ghosts of things said or done and not dealt with, old ghosts with which it is no longer possible to deal. Those ghosts have invited their friends - even older ghosts of issues unresolved from childhood, from the teenage and young adult years, family and other issues with which I had nothing to do, yet for which I seem to be blamed. And we go around in circles, cycles of sadness, tears, spite and remorse. What was magical is now haunted. I changed, too. Once upon a time, I kept to myself, did not share my emotions or burden others with my difficulties. Now, I can't stop doing those things. I have learned to express and communicate my feelings and emotions; I have become a man from Mars. Too late. By expressing one's self in an open and honest way, one acquires many advisors. "You're too patient", they say. "You have everything going for you and can easily find someone else who will appreciate you and what you have to offer." "Let her go." "Move on." "Change is the only constant." "Accept that which was meant to be". "Take control of your own destiny". "Don't be so passive." Cliches all, so easily and unhelpfully offered or prescribed - with no recognition of the meaning of commitment nor any understanding of love - as though all of life is about what is convenient or pleasant or quick or selfish. So facile, so uninspired and, sometimes, so filled with hate or spite. For the past seven months, Clare has been at an ashram, studying yoga. She is fit, healthy, happy and beautiful. Joni Mitchell sings a song, entitled "Happiness is the Best Facelift." Joni is right again, and Clare is proof of it. When I visited her at the ashram last spring, not having seen her for three months or so, I was overwhelmed by her radiance - happiness, the result of a growing sense of freedom, independence and confidence, had transformed her. Radiant she was as well a couple weeks ago when she stepped down from the bus for a visit home. Flowers, a special gift and a smile maintained her in that ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:49:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Medric Faulkner Subject: Dementia's Hypnotic Trance I myself am so ready for a Joni infusion when a new album comes out that I play it over and over. I was really ready for something new when TI came out so those intensely sad lyrics got stuck in my head and I had to leave it alone for a while. Sire of Sorrow and Borderline really struck a note. These beautifully sad songs put me in a blue funk for awhile. When I first really began to listen to Joni with Hejira, funny little lines like ...the air conditioned cubicles and the carbon ribbon rides... or DJRD,s ...big bird draggin his tail in the dust... would strike a note and run through my brain upon occasions when I would be under stress. I guess what I'm trying to say is that for me anyway I can see myself in most of what she says and relate little snippets of her lyrics to my own personal situation and they seem to help me when I'm selfish and sad because bad news came knocking at my garden gate causing vein darling's hairline to recede. God surely must be a boogie man. Medric Megg56@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:18:53 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Mojo, Joni Prince and James Brown Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 01:31:50 -0700 From: Kurt Joachim von Behrmann July 28, 1998 What do Joni Mitchell, James Brown and the Artist ( Prince ) have in common? Well they are all featured in Mojo Magazine a British publication. I just checked out the Joni Mitchell web site to see how things are going and how Wally was doing, when I noticed this new addition. I have never heard of Mojo, and now I am salivating thinking about how to obtain a copy of it for myself. If anyone knows how to find one, I am mainly interested in just the 15 page interview with Joni Mitchell, let me know. Thanks a million Kurt Joachim von Behrmann joachim7@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 01:27:48 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Joni Dementia At 07:01 AM 7/29/98 -0500, you wrote: >aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH! Anybody remember when I got so mad >when I heard Joni did coccaine???!!!! > This was during the 80s, right? In NY, LA and SF, cocaine was pretty much the reigning party candy. Everybody I knew did it. If people learned how to roll joints in the 60s & 70s, they learned how to fold bindles in the 80s. I remember being in a bar, watching 'Vegas' on the TV, while the bartender did lines right off the counter (I think she was the owner, so it was all right). - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:31:38 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_Been_Around=2C_but_Lost=A0_=28totally_NJC=29?= Brett, your post hit me right in the heart and the tear ducts. You wrote: > By expressing one's self in an open and honest way, one acquires many advisors. "You're too > patient", they say. "You have everything going for you and can easily find > someone else who will appreciate you and what you have to offer." "Let her > go." "Move on." "Change is the only constant." "Accept that which was > meant to be". "Take control of your own destiny". "Don't be so passive." > Cliches all, so easily and unhelpfully offered or prescribed - with no > recognition of the meaning of commitment nor any understanding of love - as > though all of life is about what is convenient or pleasant or quick or > selfish. So facile, so uninspired and, sometimes, so filled with hate or > spite. So true and so dispiriting. I always find it incomprehensible that people use such supposedly "helpful" cliches to address such a deep loss. All I can offer (and it is not much) is that you may find comfort in knowing that you truly loved, and were loved. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:41:56 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni Dementia I was so disappointed when I read that Joni did coccaine and I didn't like her as much as I did. But with a little motivation from Kakki, I realized that it was the thing and it was stupid of me to let that get in the way of liking Joni. (Now I don't want anybody telling me I'm stupid for liking her less at that time!) ;) Jan Gyn wrote: >At 07:01 AM 7/29/98 -0500, you wrote: >>aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH! Anybody remember when I got so mad >>when I heard Joni did coccaine???!!!! >> >This was during the 80s, right? In NY, LA and SF, cocaine was pretty much >the reigning party candy. Everybody I knew did it. If people learned how >to roll joints in the 60s & 70s, they learned how to fold bindles in the >80s. I remember being in a bar, watching 'Vegas' on the TV, while the >bartender did lines right off the counter (I think she was the owner, so it >was all right). >-jan ____________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |__________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:03:20 EDT From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: Joni on Johnny Cash These are the songs that Joni sings on Johnny Cash show. These appear to be three different appearances. Both Sides,Now, Girl from Sasketoon*, Gallery, Long Black Veil*, California, My Old Man, Girl from North Country* * duets with Johnny FYI Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:11:27 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Been Around, but Lost  (totally NJC) Kakki wrote: > Brett, your post hit me right in the heart and the tear ducts. > > You wrote: > > > By expressing one's self in an open and honest way, one acquires many > advisors. "You're too > > patient", they say. "You have everything going for you and can easily find > > someone else who will appreciate you and what you have to offer." "Let her > > go." "Move on." "Change is the only constant." "Accept that which was > > meant to be". "Take control of your own destiny". "Don't be so passive." > > Cliches all, so easily and unhelpfully offered or prescribed - with no > > recognition of the meaning of commitment nor any understanding of love - as > > though all of life is about what is convenient or pleasant or quick or > > selfish. So facile, so uninspired and, sometimes, so filled with hate or > > spite. > > So true and so dispiriting. I always find it incomprehensible that people use > such supposedly "helpful" cliches to address such a deep loss. All I can offer > (and it is not much) is that you may find comfort in knowing that you truly > loved, and were loved. People do and say the unkindest things to others when they are in pain. it stems from thier own desperate need to avoid pain and has very little to do with wanting to help.Often, just a listening ear and a non judgemental shoulder to cry on is all that is required. Anyway, it isn't as if anyone has the power to actually change your situation or anything! Tha is another reason people do and say the wrong thing-their desire to fix things gets the better of them. colin > > > Kakki - -- Living is the process whereby we create the structures we call meaning. http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk Carly Simon Discussion List http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:53:55 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: Joni Dementia Njc now At 01:27 AM 7/29/98 -0700, Jan wrote: >This was during the 80s, right? In NY, LA and SF, cocaine was pretty much >the reigning party candy. Everybody I knew did it. And unfortunately a lot of people are just now finding out that it's very likely that they may have contacted the incurable hepatitis C, (which can lay dormant for 25 years,) through sharing cocaine straws. It's no wonder it's the new epidemic. -Sigh, Julie, who is warning everybody out there not to share razors, straws, toothbrushes and needles. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:50:38 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Hepatitis C Are there any others out there who have Hepatits C, which many feel is rapidly becoming the next epidemic? My husband contracted Hepatitis C, probably in 1981, and probably from a needle, although there are plenty of other possibilities. He is 13 years clean and sober now but the Hepatitis doesn't go away. He's tried the interferon route with discouraging results. We are approaching it holistically now with pretty good results. After having the disease for at least 17 years he is still only stage I of IV in the progression. Julie Z. Webb wrote: > At 01:27 AM 7/29/98 -0700, Jan wrote: > >This was during the 80s, right? In NY, LA and SF, cocaine was pretty much > >the reigning party candy. Everybody I knew did it. > And unfortunately a lot of people are just now finding out that it's very > likely that they may have contacted the incurable hepatitis C, (which can > lay dormant for 25 years,) through sharing cocaine straws. > It's no wonder it's the new epidemic. > -Sigh, Julie, who is warning everybody out there not to share razors, > straws, toothbrushes and needles. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:58:29 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Been_Around,_but_Lost _(totally_NJC) brett! your post was really something. i am grateful that you shared it with us all. as you said, there is little that anyone can say in times of loss that can make you feel better. we all wish there were. but there isn't. who was it that said that which doesn't kill us, defines us? we all know who said "the moon at the window, they left that behind..." that song got me thru some terrible days. thank you for sharing. i am very moved by what you wrote. - ric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:13:28 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: (NJC) Re: Hepatitis C Phyliss Ward wrote: > > Are there any others out there who have Hepatits C, which many feel is rapidly > becoming the next epidemic? I have been concerned about the high occurences of unknown transmission. Since I have had acrylic fingernails for the last 3 years, I worry that perhaps the drill bits and files that are used in the nail salons are not adequately cleaned. I have started asking for new bits out of the package and bring my own file for use. This is scary stuff. Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:40:46 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Hepatitis C I know a few people with Hep C. I myself had Hep B for many years. My elder brother also had it and was at home for several weeks beofre some bright spark realised he needed to be in hospital. he was put into isolation and sealed off. Later I complained of feeling ill most of the time but all that happened was my meds were increased, because of course mental patients imagine everything. In 85 i moved and before a new dr had a chance to see my records, I went. I was admitted into hosptial the same day. I have had sevral biopsies(and don't believe them-they HURT!). I was about to have interferon in Dec of 91 but the previous lot of blood tests had shown better results so i declined as I had heard of bad side effects. Anyway, I am now negative and with a normal liver function which is not just due to the HepB becoming e antigen neg but also because I refused to take any more meds.(I don't know if you can in the uS but here there is a book you can get that lists ALL drugs and their side effects. I use that book before I take anything prescribed cos I know I will be lied to otherwise) Suposedly I will die of liver cancer and have to have regular tests, tho I no longer allow biopsies.personally, I don't believe that will happen. I am at the danger point, 20 yrs later. I am healthy. I could have a heart attack or get run over or shot by a rabid JMDLER. I think your husband should feel very proud of his clean time, it is a tremendous achievement which few appreciate. He is fortunate to have a wife who loves him and sticks by him. I know the outcome of Hep C can be bad but it isn't all the time. Mind you, I also know that it hangs over one like a banshee. I am sorry he and you have to cope with that. bw colin Phyliss Ward wrote: > Are there any others out there who have Hepatits C, which many feel is rapidly becoming > the next epidemic? My husband contracted Hepatitis C, probably in 1981, and probably > from a needle, although there are plenty of other possibilities. He is 13 years clean and > sober now but the Hepatitis doesn't go away. He's tried the interferon route with > discouraging results. We are approaching it holistically now with pretty good results. > After having the disease for at least 17 years he is still only stage I of IV in the > progression. > Julie Z. Webb wrote: > > > At 01:27 AM 7/29/98 -0700, Jan wrote: > > >This was during the 80s, right? In NY, LA and SF, cocaine was pretty much > > >the reigning party candy. Everybody I knew did it. > > And unfortunately a lot of people are just now finding out that it's very > > likely that they may have contacted the incurable hepatitis C, (which can > > lay dormant for 25 years,) through sharing cocaine straws. > > It's no wonder it's the new epidemic. > > -Sigh, Julie, who is warning everybody out there not to share razors, > > straws, toothbrushes and needles. - -- Living is the process whereby we create the structures we call meaning. http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk Carly Simon Discussion List http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 20:21:01 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: FW: Joni Dementia (going NJC) At 02:18 PM 7/29/98 EDT, you wrote: >Paul wrote: > >> Are "Alice In Wonderland" or any of zillions of other stories, books, songs >or whatever any less of a work because the creator experimented with drugs at >a time when such experimentation was not only encouraged, but was de rigeur >among artists? > And Lori wrote: >I concur with Paul. From my own personal experiences, I view certain drugs as >simply being aids to opening some of the mind's many doors ... some of my best >ideas and most profound philosophies occurred while I was under the influence >of something or other, and I not only remember these but continue to live a >better life with such knowledge. > I also concur - I remember an interview with Jon Anderson of Yes talking about his experimentation with drugs (halucinogenics). Look at the insightful lyrics has written. Heather NP: Upstairs by a Chinese Lamp - Ms Nyro -(live) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:45:41 -0700 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: Dimentia Michael Heath wrote: > > Aside from having her lines embed themselves in a loop in my lobes on a > super frequent basis, I also am constantly running into situations that > are perfect examples of this or that couplet from her songs. At one > point, I was driving people around me crazy by constantly quoting her > lines in response to some situation. Some of my friends say I have a Joni Mitchell song for every occasion. When I'm with my friend Melanie & a quote pops into my head she, of course, knows immediately where it came from and more often than not the two of us will both break into the appropriate song of the moment. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:48:36 -0700 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: Sharon Revisited Mark Domyancich wrote: > > Terry, > > I have been absolutely in love with this song lately! I was listening to > the Reprise Music Show (The all-time best tape I have), and was listening > to it and I was totally taken aback by it. > > Anyway, I don't think Joni is Sharon. When she sings, "Sharon, you've got a > husband, and a family and a farm," Joni really doesn't have any of these, > and I think she met a woman who has this kind of lifestyle and she admires > her. I used to think it was Laura Nyro she was addressing here but I believe somebody said it was a woman named Sharon Bell. A friend of Joni's? Does anybody know for sure? Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:06:22 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: FW: Joni Dementia (going NJC) Heather wrote: > I also concur - I remember an interview with Jon Anderson of Yes talking > about his experimentation with drugs (halucinogenics). Look at the > insightful lyrics has written. But what about MacArtur Park? Any idea what that is all about? ;-) The only real experience I have of drugs is with blow. Now that not only did wonders for my taste buds and weight, but seriously, gave me some indication of what feelings were about and gave the ability to look where I wouldn't have otherwise. I was able to concentrate and enjoy sex for the first time in my life. It led me on to where I am now. However, I was nevr able to do any of the creative I things i do whilst stoned. So i cannot say it helped me there. It did help me open up as a person tho and deal with shit. I would go as far as to say I might still be dead if I had never found out about blow. But as thay say all good things must come to an end-a joint now does very little for me! > Heather > NP: Upstairs by a Chinese Lamp - Ms Nyro -(live) - -- Living is the process whereby we create the structures we call meaning. http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk Carly Simon Discussion List http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:57:05 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Fave Lyrics & Misc. Responding to a couple of recent threads... The Tom Waits lawsuit was over Fritos Corn chips. Maybe a good cover for George Michael to do was one I heard today in the car, "My Old Man". The lyric "We don't need a piece of paper from the City Hall, keeping us tied & true" sorta takes on a new light when it's a guy singing about another guy. A couple of other guy covers; Neil Young doing "Amelia" (You'd have to change the he's and his's obviously. I can just hear Crazy Horse chugging along in the back. Likewise, Elvis Costello could do a good "Talk to Me" or "In France They Kiss on Main Street". Peter Gabriel could do anything. The lyric that's been bouncing in my head recently is from "Chinese Cafe": 'My child's a stranger, I bore her, but I could not raise her'. The first time I heard it I thought it a little melancholy, almost joking betwen these two women in the Cafe. In light of what happened between Joni & Kilauren, it becomes a truly heartbreaking lyric... And to close, speaking of lyrics, Julie, most of my all-time favorites are from Broadway tunes. A couple of excerpts: "It takes all kinds of people to make up a world, All kinds of people & things They crawl on the earth, they swim in the sea, and they fly in the air on wings All kinds of people & things, And brother, I'll tell you a hunch Whether you like them, or whether you don't, You're stuck with the whole damn bunch..." That's from a song in "Pipe Dream", an obscure early Rodgers & Hart show. Another from "Subways Are For Sleeping", Every Day, Just go along dawn 'til sundown Here's the rundown Every day that comes, comes once in a lifetime Take each day, and gather the rosebuds in it Fill each minute Every day that comes, comes once in a lifetime Think of now, tomorrow is waiting in the wings Who knows what it brings While the future waits, the present swings, from day to day In Brooklyn or China 'cross the bay only once comes this particular sky Only once these precious hours go by Only once in a lifetime a day comes by, so live, live, live today... Yes, they're corny, but they've been very sustaining to me. I grew up listening to lots of show tunes, so I can relate to them. Bob M. in SC, just back from the beach and on my way to Pittsburgh tomorrow! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:04:28 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Dimentia >the term "Joni" which apparently shows up rather frequently >in the Kama Sutra and is translated as "vagina". >:) > >cul You know, I always found this so very funny! But I think the word is Yoni, with a "y". WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 98 02:52:37 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Been Around, but Lost (now SJC) Hey Brett, Sorry to hear about the problems, thanks for posting and sharing with us. Nice to see you around again! Funny that you mention Happiness Is The Best Facelift in your post. The line "Love takes so much courage, love takes so much shit" had been a little difficult for me to grasp, perhaps because I'm fortunate to be involved in a good and loving relationship for the past 5 1/2 years... After reading about all your the problems with Clare that line came ALIVE for me...now I know just what she means! Best of luck with the "movin' on" -- hope you heal quickly! -Kenny On 7/29/98 2:17PM, Brett Code For the past seven months, Clare has been at an ashram, studying yoga. She is fit, healthy, happy and beautiful. Joni Mitchell sings a song, entitled "Happiness is the Best Facelift." Joni is right again, and Clare is proof of it. When I visited her at the ashram last spring, not having seen her for three months or so, I was overwhelmed by her radiance - happiness, the result of a growing sense of freedom, independence and confidence, had transformed her. Radiant she was as well a couple weeks ago when she stepped down from the bus for a visit home. Flowers, a special gift and a smile maintained her in that. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:16:14 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: re: spit shine BarBearUh (?!) wrote about "that's where I'm gonna take myself tonight with tthe spit shine on my dancing shoes"..... and I gasped and thought, yes! yes! I always get that one in my head and can never think for the life of me what it's from, so i go through every album in my head thinking and trying to place the lyrics in a song until I reach DJRD-C.Ave and sigh with relief. that same line came up once before too when I was driving along with my sister through Australia's wonderful city of Melbourne and we both, with no reason or 'pre-empting' (couldn't think of the right word) burst into song singing that line simultaeneously, from out of nowhere. well, there you go. how about that. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:26:42 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: Re: Joni Dementia Umm, didn't she mean she wrote them 'about' heroin rather than actually whilst she was 'under the influence' of heroin? surely.. Joni? On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, Mark Domyancich wrote: > aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH! Anybody remember when I got so mad > when I heard Joni did coccaine???!!!! > > JamieJake wrote: > >I wrote some of very good material on heroin. Song for Sharon I wrote, I > >think, on heroin. > > > ____________________________________ > | Mark Domyancich | > | Harpua@revealed.net | > | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | > |__________________________________| > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:24:26 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: Re: joni/heroin FIRSTLY: Gee, going by these brain-songs below, it seems everyone gets the same particular lines. strange. it must be something to do with the way she sings 'em..ie; they're always really "singy" lines aren't they. (hmm) scan down scan down On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, Hassan Zubairi wrote: > > I've got a head full of quandry and a mighty mighty mighty thirst. (Don't Interrupt The Sorrow) > > and > > In this vigorous anonimity > A blank face at the window > stares and stares and stares and stares. (Song For Sharon). SECONDLY: Where can I read this particular article? > I wrote some of very good material on heroin. Song for Sharon I wrote, I think, on heroin. > > > This is from the Q interview in 1988 written by Tom Sutcliffe (I think). > > Much Joni > JamieJake > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:48:25 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Joni on The Johnny Cash Show Steve Dulson wrote ... > >Is the JC show the one where she debuted "Woodstock" >(or was that the Smothers Bros?)? > And then, Jerry Notaro wrote > >I think it is where she sang Both Sides Now. They show parts of it >on an introduction of Video TapeTree 1, for the Billboard award, >if I remember correctly. > > Joni Mitchell made 3-appearances on the Johnny Cash Show, including the premier episode which also featured Bob Dylan. this first program was taped on 5-1-69 and broadcast on 6-7-69. i don't have any additional information regarding the 2nd or 3rd appearances. does anyone? JOHNNY CASH SHOW WABC-TV, 1969-1971 1. JONI MITCHELL Both Sides, Now I Still Miss Someone (duet w/Johnny) 2. JONI MITCHELL The Gallery Long Black Veil (duet w/Johnny) 3. JONI MITCHELL California My Old Man Girl Of The North Country (duet w/Johnny) hope this helps, - ------- simon - ------- P.S. Les, is this an example of "Compulsive Corrective Syndrome"? or just opinion and information offered in response to questions asked? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:47:47 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Joni & Heroin? (NOT) Hassan Zubairi wrote > > >BTW: Song for Sharon and I paraphrase: > >I wrote some of very good material on heroin. >Song for Sharon I wrote, I think, on heroin. > >This is from the Q interview in 1988 written by Tom Sutcliffe (I think). > >Much Joni >JamieJake > given Joni's awareness of James Taylors' problem, it's difficult to believe that she would ever have experimented with heroin. she's also denied it. from the JMDL Website. Q Magazine May 1988 JONI MITCHELL: "CHALK MARK IN A RAIN STORM" by Anthony Quinn ____________________________ Q: Where did drugs figure for you? A: I was late to try everything. I was so over-protected within this stable. When Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young did their first album all I knew was suddenly all their personalities were changing. Graham was getting thin: he wouldn't eat and he stayed up all night. I didn't know any of them was doing drugs. They would hide them and whisper when I was around. Q: But you eventually tried them? A: Oh yeah, I tried everything. Well, I never tried heroin because I thought, "What's the point? The worst that could happen would be you'd like it. But altered consciousness is completely tempting to a writer. I did some good writing, I think, on cocaine - Song For Sharon (Hejira), but it kills your heart, takes all your energy, puts it up in your brain and gives you the arrogance that, you know, ruined Jaco Pastorius. (After destitute years of drink and drug problems the former Weather Report and Mitchell band bassist died last September after being beaten up outside a Florida club.) I watched it ruin a lot of people. Q: Were you aware of being "the spokeswoman for a generation"? A: You mean via the song Woodstock? If I was a spokesperson nobody heard me, so big deal. a little coke? big deal! who didn't? - ------- simon - ------- P.S. Les, is this an example of "Compulsive Corrective Syndrome"? or just opinion and information offered in response to questions asked? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:48:39 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: TapeTree #7 (Contents) "Real Good, For Free" TapeTree #7 is in the sign-up phase for leaves. Go to to sign up JMDL TapeTree #7 (Contents) - ------------------- Cassette #1 ~ C90 - ------------------- JONI MITCHELL The Gorge Amphitheatre ~ George, Wa. ~ may 16, 1998 1. Night Ride Home 2. The Crazy Cries Of Love 3. Harry's House 4. Slouching Towards Bethlehem 5. Just Like This Train 6. Black Crow 7. Amelia 8. Hejira 9. Big Yellow Taxi 10. Facelift 11. Sex Kills 12. The Magdalene Laundries 13. Moon At The Window 14. Woodstock BOB DYLAN 15. I Shall Be Released (w/Joni & Van, vocals) - ------------------- Cassette #2 ~ C90 - ------------------- JONI MITCHELL Pauley Pavilion @ U.C.L.A. ~ Los Angeles, Ca. ~ may 22, 1998 1. Night Ride Home 2. The Crazy Cries of Love 3. Harry's House 4. Slouching Towards Bethlehem 5. Just Like This Train 6. Black Crow 7. Amelia 8. Hejira 9. Big Yellow Taxi 10. Facelift 11. Sex Kills 12. The Magdalene Laundries 13. Moon at the Window 14. Woodstock General Motor Place ~ Vancover, B.C. ~ may 14, 1998 15. Refuge Of The Roads * (see note below) 16. Big Yellow Taxi - ------------------- Cassette #3 ~ C90 - ------------------- JONI MITCHELL Temple University Music Festival Ambler, Pa. ~ aug. 22, 1974 1. Free Man In Paris 2. You Turn Me On I'm A Radio 3. Big Yellow Taxi 4. Same Situation 5. Barangrill 6. Rainy Night House 7. Woodstock 8. This Flight Tonight 9. People's Parties 10. All I Want 11. Woman Of Heart And Mind 12. A Case Of You 13. Cold Blue Steel And Sweet Fire 14. Blue 15. For Free 16. Carey 17. Down To You 18. Trouble Child 19. Help Me - ------------------- Cassette #4 ~ C60 - ------------------- JONI MITCHELL Temple University Music Festival Ambler, Pa. ~ aug. 22, 1974 Conclusion: 20. Jericho 21. Love Or Money 22. Both Sides, Now 23. The Last Time I Saw Richard 24. Twisted No Nukes ~ Anti-Nuclear Rally ~ Washington, DC ~ may 6, 1979 1. The Circle Game 2. Big Yellow Taxi 3. God Must Be A Boogie Man 4. Woodstock - -------------------- Cassette #5 ~ C100 - -------------------- JONI MITCHELL from: "Taming The Tiger" 1. Harlem In Havana 2. Man From Mars 3. Taming The Tiger 4. The Crazy Cries Of Love 5. My Best To You MORNING BECOMES ECLECTIC ~ KCRW-FM ** (see note below) Interview + Music ~ "Taming The Tiger" Santa Monica, Ca. ~ (Broadcast) march 27, 1998 6. Harlem In Havana 7. Man From Mars 8. Taming The Tiger 9. The Crazy Cries Of Love 10. My Best To You Excerpt from: MORNING BECOMES ECLECTIC ~ KCRW-FM w/Larry Klein & Allison Anders ~ sept. 1996 11. RE: "Man From Mars" _____________________________ * "Refuge Of The Roads" was only performed once during this Tour. it's the only song performed once. that's why it's included. as for BYT ~ there was room. these 2-songs were the 'encore' at the Vancover concert. ** a newer, slightly better DAT-recording was used for this program. it's a different 'source' than the currently circulating copies. there are also 1-or-2 *Bonus* additions that i haven't listed, and won't divulge. i likes my surprises :-) "Spread the Music ~ Share the Joy" - -------- simon - -------- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #283 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?