From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #282 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 29 1998 Volume 03 : Number 282 TapeTree 7 is in the sign-up phase for leaves. Go to to sign up ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: cheerful resignation [DKasc13293@aol.com] Re: Court and Spark (get it?) [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] Rob Jordan [Lori Century ] Joni Dementia [Hassan Zubairi ] PA vs. OK tape / e-bay [MP123A321@aol.com] Re: Joni Dementia [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Joni in literature ["H. Paul Davis" ] Joni pitching VW?? ["H. Paul Davis" ] FW: Joni Dementia [Hassan Zubairi ] Re: Joni Dementia ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: Joni tribute...men [Jerry Notaro ] Songs in my head & unrelated trivial info ["Eric Jaimes" ] Duane's Joni Dimensia ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Re: Duane's Joni Dimensia [DKasc13293@aol.com] Re: Duane's Joni Dimensia [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Duane's Joni Dimensia ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Re: Duane's Joni Dimentia [Marsha ] Johnny Cash Show [Steve Dulson ] Re: More Duane's Joni Dimensia ["Julie Z. Webb" ] MGD Music Fest (JC) [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Johnny Cash Show [Jerry Notaro ] Cohen (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: A month away! [TerryM2442@aol.com] Sharon Revisited [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Duane's Joni Dimentia [DKasc13293@aol.com] Re: Duane's Joni Dimentia [JRMCo1@aol.com] Broadway Bridge [Michael Heath ] Re: More Duane's Joni Dimensia [DKasc13293@aol.com] Re: Duane's Joni Dementia [LRFye@aol.com] Re: Duane's Joni Dimentia [DKasc13293@aol.com] Dimentia [Michael Heath ] Michener & Joni ["Daugherty, Stephen" ] Re: Sharon Revisited [Mark Domyancich ] Re: More Duane's Joni Dimensia [Mark Domyancich ] More proof that Joni is PROG [Susan McNamara ] Fw: a chorus line (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: Songs in my head & unrelated trivial info ["Ken (Slarty)" ] JONI ramble [terstan ] NJC - I have a dream... [Les Irvin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 04:03:35 EDT From: DKasc13293@aol.com Subject: Re: cheerful resignation In a message dated 98-07-29 00:14:27 EDT, you write: << instead of waking up worrying about if some shot is going to work, she woke up hearing ABBA's "dancing queen" and hasn't been able to get it out of her head for days. >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 98 08:54:25 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Re: Court and Spark (get it?) Hey Kakki, Actually it's of those "parenthetic" songs that have two titles. I think they can be referred to by either title: Judegment of the Moon and Stars (Ludwig's Tune) Smokin' (Empty, Try Another) The Tea Leaf Prophecy (Lay Down Your Arms) Passion Play (When All The Slaves Are Free) The Windfall (Everything For Nothing) The Sire Of Sorrow (Job's Sad Song) (Happiness Is The Best) Facelift OK, well maybe the last one can't be called simply "Happiness Is The Best" :-) I believe that's how it will appear on TTT, but of course, we won't know till September (I hope)! -Kenny On 7/29/98 1:35AM, "Kakki" wrote: Not meaning to be in "corrector mode" but the song is aptly titled "The Windfall." Kakki Kenny wrote: Yes, Phyliss, Everything For Nothing was written about the trouble she had with this maid! Phyliss wrote: Could this be the subject of "Everything for Nothing"? Phyliss ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:36:22 +0200 From: Lori Century Subject: Rob Jordan Can anyone give me Rob Jordans email address? The one from the gallery doesn´t work Thanks Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:23:18 +-100 From: Hassan Zubairi Subject: Joni Dementia Dear Y'all Julie wanted the words in our head. The lyric that sometimes plays in my head is usually I've got a head full of quandry and a mighty mighty mighty thirst. (Don't Interrupt The Sorrow) and In this vigorous anonimity A blank face at the window stares and stares and stares and stares. (Song For Sharon). BTW Song for Sharon and I paraphrase: I wrote some of very good material on heroin. Song for Sharon I wrote, I think, on heroin. This is from the Q interview in 1988 written by Tom Sutcliffe (I think). Much Joni JamieJake ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 07:04:30 EDT From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: PA vs. OK tape / e-bay I believe I am one of the misinformed. I am the one that gave jussi the bogus info...sorry. I received the tape many years ago listed as Oklahoma. I KNOW Temple Univ. is in PA, I was born not so far from that area. whoops. Another note re: tapes. There is a video being offered on e-bay - Renaldo and Clara - a Dylan film. I warn anyone that hasn't seen it that there is about 10 seconds of Joni in this movie, in one scene, not performing. There is what sounds like her playing piano in the background for about 5 minutes during a motel scene with Ginsburg, Baez, and others. Not a very good investment for Joni content, Dylan performances are good to great. (IMHO) This video has been has been widely traded. ***A public service announcement*** Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 07:01:37 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni Dementia aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH! Anybody remember when I got so mad when I heard Joni did coccaine???!!!! JamieJake wrote: >I wrote some of very good material on heroin. Song for Sharon I wrote, I >think, on heroin. ____________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |__________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 98 08:52:48 -0400 From: "H. Paul Davis" Subject: Re: Joni in literature I seem to remember Joni mentioned (or songs) in the novel "She's come undone" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 98 08:54:27 -0400 From: "H. Paul Davis" Subject: Joni pitching VW?? It's Rickie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:41:42 +-100 From: Hassan Zubairi Subject: FW: Joni Dementia Not that I was advocating the use of mind altering jrugs to produce creativity. It annoyed me that she had tried and tested jrugs and made feel slightly less of her as a creative freespirit. MuchJoni JamieJake - ---------- From: Mark Domyancich[SMTP:Harpua@revealed.net] Sent: 29 July 1998 13:01 To: Hassan Zubairi; Joni Mitchell Discussion List Subject: Re: Joni Dementia aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH! Anybody remember when I got so mad when I heard Joni did coccaine???!!!! JamieJake wrote: >I wrote some of very good material on heroin. Song for Sharon I wrote, I >think, on heroin. ____________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |__________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:58:26 -0400 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Joni Dementia - ---------- > From: Hassan Zubairi > To: 'JMDL' > Subject: Joni Dementia > Date: Wednesday, July 29, 1998 7:23 AM > > Dear Y'all > Julie wanted the words in our head. > The lyric that sometimes plays in my head is usually > > I've got a head full of quandry and a mighty mighty mighty thirst. (Don't Interrupt The Sorrow) > > and > > In this vigorous anonimity > A blank face at the window > stares and stares and stares and stares. (Song For Sharon). > > BTW Song for Sharon and I paraphrase: > > I wrote some of very good material on heroin. Song for Sharon I wrote, I think, on heroin. > > > This is from the Q interview in 1988 written by Tom Sutcliffe (I think). > > Much Joni > JamieJake > I just read the artical on the JMDL & Cafe. Joni said she never did heroin. She wrote A Song for Sharon while on cocain. Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:07:07 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni tribute...men Helen Gill wrote: > Shouldn't it be Leonard Cohen doing Rainy NIght House? Much more > appropriate wouldn't you say? > > On Tue, 28 Jul 1998, Howard Motyl wrote: > > > Why do we only talk about women on the tribute album? Wouldn't it be > > interesting to hear some men doing Joni? Doing Joni songs, I mean. > > > > Like Seal doing Two Grey Rooms or Rainy Night House? Or a Duet, like LC did with Bonnie Raitt, Love Letters.And how about Elton John doing a rip-roaring piano version of Raised On Robbery? Jerry np: WTRF ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:32:24 -0400 From: "Eric Jaimes" Subject: Songs in my head & unrelated trivial info With regard to what you wrote, Barbara, and to what Duane wrote earlier, I agree with you in that songs that pop into your head (and often stick around) are certainly not limited to Joni songs. I get all kinds of songs playing in my mind's jukebox, some of which I don't even like! Nine times out of 10, though, I can figure out that the song is there for a reason, where the lyrics relate to whatever is going on in my life at the moment, whether it's a relationship thing (where I might suddenly find myself humming "the Bitch is Back" or singing "talk about mud flaps, my girl's got 'em!" from Spinal Tap) or sitting in a traffic jam (whereupon suddenly I am whistling "Shoot to Thrill" or bewildered that a Boyz II Men song "I Believe I Can Fly" has found it's way into my brain). Lyrics definitely function somehow in my subconscious mind. I think the other 1 time out of 10 there's still some relation, I just can't figure it out. There are also tunes that pop into my head because the melody is catchy or persistent or whatever, but with me it's usually related to the words. It's interesting that you mentioned the quote "spit shine on my dancing shoes," because I get recurring visits from the same song, sometimes that very line and sometimes "if you got a place like that to go - you know you gotta go there, if you got no place special, when then you just go noplace special...." Some unrelated trivial information (while I'm at it): 1) My CD player is broken. Doesn't that suck? Damn. 2) I saw Tori Amos last night. First time she played with a full band, and her first time at MSG. Overall though, the show was somewhat of a disappointment even though it was excellent. Tori usually transcends excellence. Oh well. 3) A donut without a hole is a danish. Cheers, Eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:42:29 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Lilith Fair in FL - NJC Sun shines on power of Lilith Fair's women By LOGAN NEILL © St. Petersburg Times, published July 29, 1998 ---------------------------------------------------- [O]RLANDO -- The message emblazoned on a popular sticker seen at Lilith Fair seemed to appropriately sum up the sentiments of the day: "Girlz Kick A -- -". Certainly, there could be no argument from the mostly female audience that sprawled blanket-to-blanket across the Central Florida Fairgrounds Monday to listen to the all-woman lineup that included heroes such as Sarah McLachlan, Natalie Merchant, Bonnie Raitt and Queen Latifah. Under the proud slogan "Our music, our moment," the eclectic day-long festival was carried by its ambience of communal sisterhood. Trying to evolve from the stigma of what singer-songwriter Kacey Crowley calls "white chicks with acoustic guitars," this year's Lilith Fair attempted to reach out into rap and rock and plenty of things in between. However, it wasn't always the most physically comfortable of concert atmospheres. The 2 p.m. start put fans in the heat of the day, and with no shade, the blazing July sun had little pity for those Lilith patrons who forgot their hats and sunscreen. A fashion-be-damned ambience prevailed as well, and soon many festivalgoers had relinquished as much clothing as they felt they could get away with. Friends Randi O'Connell and Karen Loo found an afternoon respite in a mist spray tent, where for $5 fans could gain unlimited access. "You get addicted to it," said Loo. "We started coming in about every 15 minutes, but now we're in here every five." Performers had to be troupers as well. Early acts Rebekah, Anggun, Holly Cole and Meredith Brooks delivered their sets under the brutal sun with surprising vitality. But as the heat retreated into the evening, things began to perk up. Hip-hop star Queen Latifah strutted across the stage, spouting staccato rhymes and verse while fans danced and sang along. She ardently rendered Bob Marley's Get Up, Stand Up with an animated mix of rap rhythms and roots groove that would have made the reggae pioneer proud. Merchant, too, was much more animated than her recordings allow. With her hair in pigtails, she seemed girlike much of the time, although her choice material was more often angst-filled than not. Among her highlights were the pensive Carnival and Ophelia. However, her well-intentioned version of Elvis Presley's In The Ghetto lacked emotion. Blues-rock veteran Raitt's matriarchal presence lent itself well to the Lilith creed. Much to the delight of her longtime admirers, she filled her 50-minute set mostly with older favorites, growling and purring through a set that included Something To Talk About, Love Sneakin' Up On You and I Can't Make You Love Me. And fittingly, she allowed her John Prine-penned hit, Angel From Montgomery, to be a showcase to include the voices of co-stars McLachlan, Latifah and Holly Cole. The endearing supportiveness and lack of competition among the performers has helped give Lilith Fair many of the aesthetics that it carries beyond the stage. Mixed with the vendors of food, batik dresses and hand-spun artwork, booths championed the festival's alliance with various women's issues such as breast cancer awareness, AIDS counseling and spouse-abuse prevention. Much of the credit belongs to organizer McLachlan, whose set closed out the show. The singer's pure vocal tones showed occasional weariness (not surprising when you consider the nearly non-stop pace the festival has been on since last month) but the magic that she wrapped around songs such as Ice Cream and Adia had her audience enthralled. "Thanks for making this your celebration as well," she told the audience just before being joined on stage by her cohorts for an inspiring version of Marvin Gaye's What's Going On. ---------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:14:15 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Duane's Joni Dimensia Duane wrote: >I'd call it Joni on the brain or "Joni Dimensia", when I have some lyric ie: >In the mirrors of a modern bank, from the window of a hotel room, repeating in >my head over the course of an afternoon. I wonder if that phenonemon is >endemic to the JMDL? Duane and all, You have no idea! This is something that my husband has noticed for years now. You can't imagine how annoying this can be...or maybe you can. All of my life I have sung to myself, talked out loud/read out loud to myself etc When I was a child my parents would creep into my bedroom to see who was visiting---only to find me "thinking out loud." I don't think Im insane, but who knows...maybe some of you might call it that....I don't talk out loud to myself while in public, but you may catch me singing softly while walking down the street. Another example is that my husband and I will be driving somewhere and he will hear me singing or speaking a Joni line and then the rest of the song is discontinued as it triggers a memory or thought and I "escape" to my head----and then Im off on some tangent. This happens too while Im doing some mundane task like folding laundry, long car rides or making beds; Joni one-liners I find myself hypnotically "checking out" to: Oh, I think I understand Looking for something, what can it be Do you want - do you want - do you want All I really really want Oh I love you, when I forget about me The wind is in from Africa He put a quarter in the Wurlitzer And she said "Drink up now it's gettin' on time to close I've been sitting up waiting A room full of glasses He says "Your notches liberation doll" Petrified wood process Tall timber down to rock!" Plantations and sweeping ballroom gowns Take her breath away Friends have told her not so proud Neighbors trying to sleep and yelling "not so loud" He gave her his darkness to regret And good reason to quit him "Grow up!" I cried I'm traveling in some vehicle I see something of myself in everyone Now here's a man and a woman sitting on a rock They're either going to thaw out or freeze If you got a place like that to go You just have to go there He saw my complications And he mirrored me back simplified -JulieZW, Oh, radiant happinessIt was all so light and easy Till I started analyzingAnd I brought on my old waysA thunderhead of judgment was Gathering in my gazeAnd it made most people nervousThey just didn't want to know ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:26:33 EDT From: DKasc13293@aol.com Subject: Re: Duane's Joni Dimensia Hi, I find, not only do I so personally identify with the lyrics, but Joni's voice is that of a siren. It's a drone in my head. Song For Sharon's refrain and guitar lick too. It puts me in this "one step at a time" mode. Then there's the other things that happen with the music. As I'm driving my car and hitting potholes or going over small inclines, the rhythm of any particular song synchronistically matches. Or, I'm riding my bike through Times Square with Slouching on the CD Walkman, and a firetruck or ambulance goes by. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:51:12 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Duane's Joni Dimensia I sometimes play a song in my head and one word will trigger another and lead to another song, like: Brash fields, crude crows, in a scary sky, She was swallowed by the sky, And swooped down at the crowd at the bar, Down to the crowds in the street, etc. And I make the biggest nonsense song! ;) Julie wrote: > Another example is that my husband and I will be driving somewhere >and he >will hear me singing or speaking a Joni line and then the rest of the song >is discontinued as it triggers a memory or thought and I "escape" to my >head----and then Im off on some tangent. This happens too while Im doing >some mundane task like folding laundry, long car rides or making beds; > Joni one-liners I find myself hypnotically "checking out" to: >Oh, I think I understand >Looking for something, what can it be >Do you want - do you want - do you want >All I really really want >Oh I love you, when I forget about me >The wind is in from Africa >He put a quarter in the Wurlitzer >And she said "Drink up now it's gettin' on time to close >I've been sitting up waiting >A room full of glasses >He says "Your notches liberation doll" >Petrified wood process >Tall timber down to rock!" >Plantations and sweeping ballroom gowns >Take her breath away >Friends have told her not so proud >Neighbors trying to sleep and yelling "not so loud" >He gave her his darkness to regret >And good reason to quit him >"Grow up!" I cried >I'm traveling in some vehicle >I see something of myself in everyone >Now here's a man and a woman sitting on a rock >They're either going to thaw out or freeze >If you got a place like that to go >You just have to go there >He saw my complications >And he mirrored me back simplified ____________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |__________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:09:33 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: Duane's Joni Dimensia At 10:26 AM 7/29/98 EDT, Duane wrote: >Then there's the other things that happen with the music. As I'm driving my >car and hitting potholes or going over small inclines, the rhythm of any >particular song synchronistically matches. Or, I'm riding my bike through >Times Square with Slouching on the CD Walkman, and a firetruck or ambulance >goes by. Yes, yes, Or the theme matches the conversation: Jon will be talking about getting something repaired in the house while Im thinking of spending the money for Ashara's Jonifest and I will slip into, "Sharon, you've got a family and farm.....and I've got the apple of temptation..." Another song that sets me off is the Police's "Roooooooooooooooooxanne." Cut to the scene: Jon and I will be clearing off the table. Im carrying the dirty plates into the kitchen and belt out "Roooooooooooooooooxannne, you don't.......(begins talking,) hey Jon, what do we have to wear to this event...........(resumes singing without listening to his answer,) Don't stand so, don't stand so, don't stand so close to me." -JulieZW, whose analyst told me that I was right out of my head... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:05:14 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: Duane's Joni Dimentia DKasc13293@aol.com wrote: > > I find, not only do I so personally identify with the lyrics, but Joni's voice > is that of a siren. It's a drone in my head. Song For Sharon's refrain and > guitar lick too. And I have to stop whatever I am doing when "Hejira" starts and I go into a zone that renders me useless for most tasks. This is strange while driving, as I do manage to safely (I hope) get myself to my destination, but it is something akin to a hypnotic trance, for I can't recall the sights and sounds outside the car during that song, or how I go into automatic to get from point A to point B...strange. Sometimes on long road trips, if I have enough favorite music saturating my brain, I will go hundreds of miles and not remember the elements along the road. I think I like the whole of Hejira (the album) just for this very hypnotic effect Joni dispenses with those wonderful visuals and harmonic sounds of the guitars (and all the other great aural bag-of-tricks). Since seeing her perform "Hejira" at the taping in May and being not 25 feet from her, and being so moved to see her close up doing that masterpiece, I now just start crying every time it comes out of the random mode play. Uh oh, I'm zoning out... Mars................................................................... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:15:24 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Johnny Cash Show Jeff K wrote: >To trade in return, I have >Joni's Johnny Cash Show appearances in decent quality, also an interesting >vid of a home movie with Joni and CSN & Y. Yow! Is the JC show the one where she debuted "Woodstock" (or was that the Smothers Bros?)? Paging Sherrie and Barbara! ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:20:43 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: More Duane's Joni Dimensia Hey this thought just came to me. Duane, maybe this thread unveils the anthropological significance of the origins of opera! Eureka, maybe that's why I "sing" my life out loud...it's all part of my partial Italian ancestory Amore to all and arrivederci, Im off for the day, JulieZW ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:19:56 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: MGD Music Fest (JC) Hi everybody- I was watching TV last night and a commercial came on about this Miller Genuine Draft music fest. I forget what it is called. But, anyway, it's having a lot of bands playing (Garbage, Foo Fighters I think), and I was wondering: is this the same traveling concert that had Joni play at Red Rocks? I remember Ric saying he was at a concert that had a Miller banner up, so maybe I'm answering my own question. ____________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |__________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:20:35 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Johnny Cash Show I think it is where she sang Both Sides Now. They show parts of it on an introduction of Video Tapre Tree 1, for the Billboard award, if I remember correctly. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:21:18 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Cohen (NJC) RickieLee wrote: >(how come no one talks about leonard cohen on this list? he >seems a logical co-obsession to joni fans...) Way to go Ric, bringing LC up! I'm a big fan. I was into his songs, via Judy Collins, before Joni's. "Hey, That's No Way To Say Goodbye"...is one of the sweetest, most melancholic songs ever, and "Suzanne" is a true masterpiece. I've liked his later stuff, too. LC got me started writing songs. His son Adam just played the Troubadour, and got a very lukewarm review from the LA Times. His dad was at the show. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:24:55 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: A month away! In a message dated 7/28/98 4:42:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jzw@visint.com writes: << The idea that we are all here almost daily on this jmdl playground---- creates a highly unusual relationship----- to know people throught the written word, and how they think about this or that.... To feel a sense of intimacy with people you physically never see.....very strange yet wonderful tooo, >> Today in Ann Landers or Dear Abbey, letters were printed about the pros and cons of the internet. The con letter was about an internet addicted husband who's family is falling apart because of it. But to balance the negatives, a second letter spoke of a woman's internet "family" helping her to get through her son's recent death. And lets not forget how the internet paved the way to Kilauren and Joni's reunion. Amazing stuff- Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:27:02 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Sharon Revisited All this talk about lonliness now...woops, I mean..about Hejira.. I'm so in love with Song For Sharon now. Has anyone else thought that Sharon (sorry, here we go again) could be Joni, herself? Sorry if this was already brought up. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:25:53 EDT From: DKasc13293@aol.com Subject: Re: Duane's Joni Dimentia Marsha writes: << think I like the whole of Hejira (the album) just for this very hypnotic effect Joni dispenses with those wonderful visuals and harmonic sounds of the guitars (and all the other great aural bag-of-tricks). >> I discovered that on Come In From the Cold, the subtle drone of the keyboard synth behind some of the lines creates a whole subconscious addition! God, she's good! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:28:29 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Duane's Joni Dimentia Duane said: <> My job entails giving some instruction. Invariably someone will say "I think I understand." Then, of course, they get to hear me sing "...fear is like a wilderland/stepping stones or sinking sand." This dubious public service is provided whether they put a nickle in my slot or not. Then I'm off to the Joni-songs-in-my-head races. Another funny thing: I couldn't for the life of me tell you the sequence of songs on say, Blue or Court & Spark or Clouds, but when I hear a song off them on the radio or elsewhere I instinctively know the next song on the album and play that in my head, then the next one, and the next one, etc. Then I play the flip side in my head, too! Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most... - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:29:36 -0700 From: Michael Heath Subject: Broadway Bridge Hi kids, So there I was in Saskatoon, staying at the Bessborough Hotel. Its located on beautiful park land bordering the South Saskatchewan River. I drew back the curtains, opened the shuttered windows , threw up the siding one behind, and was allowed a beautiful view of the Broadway Bridge arching elegantly over the river about a block away. It fit so perfectly the images from Love's Cries and Cherokee Louise. It came to me that it was possible that I was staying in the very room whose view was included in the first song. After settling into the room I went camera in hand to take pictures of the bridge and see if I could find the spots where Louise had done her hiding underneath. You would have to be agile, but there were lots of places under there that could have sufficed. It was great moving around the the picturesque town of some 200,000 people taking in sights of places that must have been formative for the young Joni. It seemed a great place to have grown up in; friendly, romantic, and rustic in some ways, but large enough to offer stimulations and dreams of even larger places. If you ever get the chance, its well worth the visit. Just thought I'd mention it. cul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:33:27 EDT From: DKasc13293@aol.com Subject: Re: More Duane's Joni Dimensia Julie writes, << maybe this thread unveils the anthropological significance of the origins of opera! Eureka >> You'd better ask Bob Hanna about your verisimilar theory! (sorry list, inside joke) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:38:13 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Duane's Joni Dementia We've had NP tag lines for awhile; how 'bout we add SIMH (song in my head), for those who have one playing? Or LIMH (line in my head) ... One morning I had to laugh aloud when I realized that my first vocal utterance of the day was simply, "and festering flesh." What a way to start the day! I was really glad at that moment that I live alone ... LIMH, at the moment, as I muse upon life, love, recent travels, and trips soon to be: "Yvette in English says please have this / Little bit of instant bliss" Lori in San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:39:07 EDT From: DKasc13293@aol.com Subject: Re: Duane's Joni Dimentia Julius writes, << Another funny thing: I couldn't for the life of me tell you the sequence of songs on say, Blue or Court & Spark or Clouds, but when I hear a song off them on the radio or elsewhere I instinctively know the next song on the album and play that in my head, then the next one, and the next one, etc. Then I play the flip side in my head, too! >>Oh yeah, I go through the lyrics in my head and edit given the amount of time it takes to get from here to there. Or, whatever song has played last on my stereo, I pick up singing the next song on the album on my way out the door. The weirdest thing is that, if I leave my stereo playing while I'm out, and I return with the same album on, I am singing right on target with what's playing ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:41:45 -0700 From: Michael Heath Subject: Dimentia Aside from having her lines embed themselves in a loop in my lobes on a super frequent basis, I also am constantly running into situations that are perfect examples of this or that couplet from her songs. At one point, I was driving people around me crazy by constantly quoting her lines in response to some situation. It took alot of energy but I have managed to keep the revelations to myself now and can communicate as though I were a normal human being not obsessed with one artist /composer/poet. ELSE: On the flight back from Saskatoon yesterday I was reading one of those an in-flight magazines the airline produces and came a cross a reference to the term "Joni" which apparently shows up rather frequently in the Kama Sutra and is translated as "vagina". :) cul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:48:46 -0500 From: "Daugherty, Stephen" Subject: Michener & Joni >>From: Mark or Travis Subject: Joni in literature Has anyone read 'The Drifters' by James Michener? Believe it or not this book was an important influence on me when I first read it in the summer of 1972. That was the summer after I graduated from high school... ..So Michener was a Joni fan back then before he started churning out books like they were so many hotcakes. When I first read 'The Drifters' I had never heard 'Michael from Mountains' ...>> No rambling there!! What a great quote from an excellent author. Darn, now I've got another book to read this summer!! ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:50:47 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Sharon Revisited Terry, I have been absolutely in love with this song lately! I was listening to the Reprise Music Show (The all-time best tape I have), and was listening to it and I was totally taken aback by it. Anyway, I don't think Joni is Sharon. When she sings, "Sharon, you've got a husband, and a family and a farm," Joni really doesn't have any of these, and I think she met a woman who has this kind of lifestyle and she admires her. My mom's name is Sharon but we don't live on a farm! ____________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |__________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:52:32 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: More Duane's Joni Dimensia Or maybe Dr. Sig Mondegreen??? At 11:33 AM -0400 7/29/98, DKasc13293@aol.com wrote: >Julie writes, > ><< maybe this thread unveils the > anthropological significance of the origins of opera! Eureka >> > >You'd better ask Bob Hanna about your verisimilar theory! (sorry list, inside >joke) ____________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |__________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:08:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan McNamara Subject: More proof that Joni is PROG My brother sent me this trivia tidbit from the BMG archives. Just more proof that Joni is more PROG than FOLK-- >"Tarkus" by ELP and "Blue" by Joni Mitchell made their debut on the >Billboard charts on the same day, July 3, 1971. So there you are. Ok, so maybe that's stretching my theory just a bit!!! :-) I hooked up my modem at home successfully so I will be able to keep in touch! Take care, Sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:30:25 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Fw: a chorus line (NJC) From Mariana. > (kakki, please forward this to the jmdl. gracias!) > > pending requests to write a little more about a chorus line, i will. > once again, i´m ditching conversation class but who cares? i don´t. i > converse daily with la familia y con otros (see, i´m beginning to think > in spanish already, it´s disturbing). i´ll do my best to write in > english (which is difficult with these spanish keyboards). > a chorus line was fun, the best show ever. i played connie, the > short girl. my little song was in the montage which is this 15 minute > number in which everybody sings about their teenage years ("time to > grow, time to go adolesce"). it was the "short song" and it went as > follow: > > four foot ten, four foot ten > that´s the story of my life > i remember when everybody was my size > (spoken) boy was that great! but then everybody started moving up > and there i was stuck at > (sung) four foot ten, four foot ten > (spoken) but i kept hoping and praying > (sung) i used to hang from the parallel bars by the hour > hoping i´d stretch just an inch more > (spoken) cause i was into dancing then and i was good > and i wanted so much to be a prima ballerina > then i went out for CHEERLEADER! > and they told me, no dice, you´d get lost on the football field > the pom-poms are bigger than you > i spent my whole childhood waiting to grow...(Val sings: tits, when am i > gonna grow tits?) > > since the montage has lots of dirty talk and touchy subject (such as > homosexuality, erections, tits and ass, and so on) more often than not, > we couldn´t perform the whole thing and my song was cut mostly. i can > count on one hand the number of times i got to sing it. but i understood > why they cut it...i mean elderly folk and little kids probably aren´t > the best audience for that sort of stuff. > we were schedualed to do 13 shows, but cancelled two due to trips > to Marin County General Hospital. The first time was when Julia threw > her back out. now i don´t really like julia...she´s a dancer and > self-centered most of the time. but i sort of felt bad for her because > she had been dumped by george who played zach.see, we had this love > square going on. take a deep breath and prepare yourself for this: > george was getting together with julia, but then dumped her the friday > before we left for tour so he could get together with livvie. livvie HAD > been going with amir but she didn´t want to be together with him (for > reasons that will reamin undisclosed). so amir and julia were both > bleeding and hurting during tour which meant that livvie and george > couldn´t be together on tour. it was sort of sad. they would sneak off > together sometimes and good for them say i. i was rooming with livvie > and i sided with her. she´s fifteen, she´s having fun. but let me tell > you, it´s sure wonderful to be on the outside of a love square looking > in than on the inside (except with griffin it was more of a love > octogon). so anyway, that was the first trip to the hospital. > then vernon (who played paul) became dehydrated and was sent to the > hospital. the good thing was we cancelled a few shows and vegged out at > the hotel. > we went to a lot of places, but one of my favorites was Burt´s > Children which is a center for emotionally and physically abused > children. i bonded with a little blonde, blue eyed boy named michael who > was going to turn nine that thursday and who´s favorite movie was > godzilla. he hummed the indiana jones theme and breathed like darth > vader and was really sweet and beautiful. we sang songs and ate cookies > and had a generally good time. i was the only one who remembered all the > words to Puff the Magic Dragon. the only thing that bugged me about > Burt´s Children was that afterwards alot of the girls were crying. it > seemed very cold to me. i wasn´t crying because they were in the best > place they could be. it made me happy as oppose to sad. i felt shut out. > as if i was half a person because i wasn´t crying. i felt like slapping > julia who had mascara running down her face (she wore so much eyeliner > it looked like eyeshadow...terrible). on second thought, i´m glad julia > threw out her back! jeez. > Our final show on tour was at the veteran´s home. it was wonderful. > another special moment was when we did magic circle when we all exchange > "kisses" and tell eachother what was so amazing about eachother. we each > gave six and recieved six. i wrote it all down so i would never ever > forget it. tour was sooooo great. a chorus line will always be one of my > favorite shows. and connie one of my favorite roles. > > the good thing about the show is that it has no set and the actors > only wear dance clothes. but space to perform changes and we would have > to adapt our dance movements. like at one venue some of the dancers > would jump off the stage because it was so small. the final number was > one of my favorites.we wore these really tacky looking silver jackets > and hats which dazzled under the lights (except half the time we didn´t > have lights) and i knew all the steps. plus the song is great. do i > really have to mention, she´s the one? > > mariana in mexico > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:52:02 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Re: Songs in my head & unrelated trivial info Eric Jaimes wrote: > > > 3) A donut without a hole is a danish. > No, no, A donut without a hole is a "Scotish". A scotsman won't waste a damn thing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:33:30 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Sharon Revisited In a message dated 7/29/98 11:56:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Harpua@revealed.net writes: << Anyway, I don't think Joni is Sharon. When she sings, "Sharon, you've got a husband, and a family and a farm," Joni really doesn't have any of these, >> No, but to me she's singing about herself, her hopes and wishes and observations. Like her alter-ego- She says to Sharon, "But you still have you music.... you sing for your friends and your family..." Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:44:33 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Editing art and failed education - was "a chorus line" (NJC) From: Brett Code Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:39:28 -0600 Thanks Kakki for forwarding Mariana's account of her experience with A Chorus Line - fascinating, really, a great experience for her. I just want to comment on one aspect of it. She wrote: > since the montage has lots of dirty talk and touchy subject (such as > homosexuality, erections, tits and ass, and so on) more often than not, > we couldn´t perform the whole thing and my song was cut mostly. i can > count on one hand the number of times i got to sing it. but i understood > why they cut it...i mean elderly folk and little kids probably aren´t > the best audience for that sort of stuff. Cast as "erections, tits and ass", I can understand her point and might even agree with it. I certainly disagree with the inclusion of "homosexuality" in the list, however. If we can't have art which treats that subject, as well as the subjects of sexuality and gender, in schools, communities, or even retirement homes, how can we ever expect to have students, children, or young adults who think openly and behave tolerantly or, god forbid, lovingly with regard to others. The editing and the censorship is so glibly done, so unthinkingly, so oppressively. When I think back to my own education regarding homosexuality, I'm filled with scorn. To my knowledge, none of my teachers were homosexual; none of them ever discussed it; none of them ever opened discussions about tolerance or understanding; none of us knew anything about it (except of course those teachers and those fellow students who were forced to hide their souls in dread). No wonder then that my only knowedge or experience came from crude homophobic jokes on the hockey rink or the soccer field. I'm sorry and filled with dread for my participation in those conversations, those abusive, hurtful times. Only a very liberal university education and a broad experience after school got me past that, and it's a shame. I'm sure there are still many teachers who have difficulty with the issues, and I can only believe that letting art which treats those issues into the classroom would assist the teachers and open up the students to what really goes on, how people really are, etc. Try to imagine "A Chorus Line" without those things: it just isn't "A Chorus Line". Try to imagine "Oleanna" without language, or temper or violence at the end. Try to imagine "Cherokee Louise" without reference to zippers and knees. As you can surely tell, I don't mean to criticize Mariana here. I'm 38 and living in the nineties and just hoping and wishing that things were different in our schools, that the blindness, foolishness, intolerance and ignorance which were almost the norm when I went to school and said the Lord's Prayer every morning, while the Jewish kids sat down - excluded, and teachers just didn't let us see what was really out there beyond the safety of our middle class world, the world which was discussed in only a mythical, romanticised way. Brett np: Jann Arden - Looking For it (Finding Heaven) The world is big, the world is bad But I will find the beauty - I see a vision in my head I am looking for it Oh I am looking for myself ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:56:11 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: FW: Joni Dementia In a message dated 98-07-29 08:56:24 EDT, hz@famelon.demon.co.uk writes: << It annoyed me that she had tried and tested jrugs and made feel slightly less of her as a creative freespirit. >> And Mark D. wrote: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH! Anybody remember when I got so mad when I heard Joni did coccaine???!!!!>> Oh, c'mon you silly children. Think about what the culture was like in the late '60s and '70s. First of all, why would you be surprised? Secondly, why should it diminish your view of her creativity? Are "Alice In Wonderland" or any of zillions of other stories, books, songs or whatever any less of a work because the creator experimented with drugs at a time when such experimentation was not only encouraged, but was de rigeur among artists? Even IF you think drugs today are bad for you , don't be such historical revisionists or rose-colored glass wearers. Such an attitude is ridiculous. Scolding Dutch Uncle Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:01:26 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: FW: Joni Dementia I prefer clear colored glasses; red would make my eyes purple! > Even IF you think drugs today are bad for you , don't be such historical >revisionists or rose-colored glass wearers. > Such an attitude is ridiculous. ____________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |__________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:07:23 +0000 From: terstan Subject: JONI ramble Hey JMDL’ers, Listening to “Chalk Mark in a Rainstorm” and just felt like writing...Joni has been a major part of my life since 1971...when “Blue” came out....she has seen me through many phases of my life...i remember in the early 70’s it was just me and my friend that enjoyed Joni...everone else thought we were nuts...funny how little things change over the years...the friend is gone...now its just me and Joni...my family hollers, “oh no he’s playing Joni again”..i just put on my headphones and go into oblivion.....”It was shot in colorado...girl gets desparado”...sorry.....i faded out...Anyway this ramble has no purpose and no new information for you...just talking....now “got to be a winner..trophy winner”....promise i won’t take you through the entire album...I really got in trouble with this group..or i should say certain characters...when i titled a song incorrectly...so happy when some of you came to my defense...this is a tough group...but i like it..intelligient...caring...mean...lol......Used to dream of going to a small club and finding Joni on the stage...thats a dream isn’t it? Sounds like some of you got to have that experience in California for the taping of the two shows...lucky you!!....Wish i could go to the Garden...just not possible now...live in Louisiana and i’m a poor teacher..Think Joni would ever play Shreveport?...probably not..well i’ve said enough...at least i found out what siquomb means...i feel in now....thanks for letting me ramble...i need it sometimes... Mike (terstan) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:06:05 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: NJC - I have a dream... It was written: >Well, somebody call the cops quick to take poor jussi away ... >The Jonischolars will have a fit over this one! You know... from what I've gathered... Some of us are large and some of us are small. Some of us are black and some of us are white. Some of us are gay and some of us are straight. Some of us are anal retentive and some of us could care less. Some of us are liberal and some of us are conservative. Some of us are quick to judge and some of us are tolerant. Some of us kick our housekeepers in the shins and some don't have housekeepers to kick. Personally, I think that's what makes this community so great. There's room for everyone at this table, IMHO. Les - proud and fitless Joni scholar/student/novice ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #282 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?