From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #281 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 29 1998 Volume 03 : Number 281 TapeTree 7 is in the sign-up phase for leaves. Go to to sign up ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: (NJC) nil lara... [Michael Yarbrough ] RE: I's A Muggin' sample (tangential JC) [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: Joni played on Melrose Place [Helen Gill ] Re: Court and Spark (get it?) [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] Joni, Star Trek & Ambler, Pa. [simon@icu.com] Re: Joni, Star Trek & Ambler, Pa. [Marsha ] re: cheerful resignation [BarBearUh ] re: joni plugs VW? (now NJC) [BarBearUh ] Re: Court and Spark (get it?) ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 21:47:24 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: (NJC) nil lara... Rickie Lee asked: <<>> I saw Nil Lara open for Me'Shell NdegeOcello in Chicago in July or August of 1996. Me'Shell gave the best show I've ever, ever experienced, and I somehow still managed to remember Nil Lara anyway. He was quite talented. Some time later my boyfriend found his album in a cut-out bin for a coupla bucks and picked it up. It is far better than your average cut-out fare--sort of a Cuban-rock hybrid. Other than that all I know is that he's from Miami. - --Michael NP: Mary J. Blige, _The Tour_ ("I'm Goin' Down") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 21:42:58 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: I's A Muggin' sample (tangential JC) Jussi wrote: <<>> Well, I can say for sure that the "I's A Muggin'" sample is not on the Digable Planets first album, _Reachin' (A New Refutation of Time and Space_), which is a great album nonetheless. The Planets' production is very jazzy and easy on the ears for you hip-hop neophytes, but still quite inventive. They are a trio--two men and one woman. And, no, Butterfly is not mean-looking in the slightest. The Planets are part of what the press has somewhat erroneously called "alternative rap," a movement of different rap artists trying to harness hip-hop for positive values of community, progress, etc. and eschew the materialism and violence that a lot of hip-hop has. Other rappers in this group include the Roots, Bahamadia, Common, Aceyalone, the Fugees, A Tribe Called Quest, Goodie Mob, and De La Soul. Check them out. - --Michael NP: Mary J. Blige, _The Tour_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:21:37 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: Re: Joni tribute...men Shouldn't it be Leonard Cohen doing Rainy NIght House? Much more appropriate wouldn't you say? On Tue, 28 Jul 1998, Howard Motyl wrote: > Why do we only talk about women on the tribute album? Wouldn't it be > interesting to hear some men doing Joni? Doing Joni songs, I mean. > > Like Seal doing Two Grey Rooms or Rainy Night House? > > Or Duncan Sheik doing A Case of You? > > George Michael doing The Last Time I Saw Richard or Good Friends? > (Maybe George and Aretha doing a duet on Good Friends . . . ) > > Any more boys? > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:33:33 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: Re: Joni played on Melrose Place > Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:39:15 -0400 > From: "Perroni, Stephen" > > Did anyone see Melrose Place Monday night? > when they started the show > With Come In From the Cold. Didn't they once use "Sex Kills"? So I heard anyway. Kind of appropriate for that show. > On the subject of hearing Joni where less expected...I love the track by > Janet Jackson "Got Til It's Gone" It > Took me a while to figure out the "Don't know what you got til it's > gone" thing in the title of the song... Is it the same one that the rapper guy sings in the background "yeah, Joni Mitchell never lies" or is that ANOTHER! hmm. helen. back from the dead. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 22:39:48 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Lyrics I Have Loved Richie Havens sang this song acapella as an encore when I saw him last Saturday. I haven't been able to get it off my mind... - -Julius ON THE TURNING AWAY On the turning away From the pale and downtrodden And the words they say Which we won't understand "Don't accept that what's happening Is just a case of others' suffering Or you'll find that you're joining in The turning away" It's a sin that somehow Light is changing to shadow And casting it's shroud Over all we have known Unaware how the ranks have grown Driven on by a heart of stone We could find that we're all alone In the dream of the proud On the wings of the night As the daytime is stirring Where the speechless unite In a silent accord Using words you will find are strange, Mesmerized as they light the flame Feel the new wind of change On the wings of the night No more turning away From the weak and the weary No more turning away From the coldness inside Just a world that we all must share It's not enough just to stand and stare Is it only a dream that there'll be No more turning away? - - written by David Gilmore & Pink Floyd ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 22:52:51 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Video Tape Trees I've just peeked at some more recent digests, as I have over 30 to catch up on, and noticed that several people were looking for the video trees. Since I am the current "official video tape tree taper" at the moment, I would be most happy to make dubs for those that have missed out, or newbies that have recently joined. Please e-mail me privately if you need video tapes, and I will fill you in on what to do. Please be patient, however, as I will be gone quite a bit in the next few weeks. These are the names that I have caught from the digests: woodstravel@worldnet.att.net megg56@yahoo.com RPBell3@newchurch.edu dklepper@megsinet.net Everyone can pick up their completed copies at the Labor Day Jonifest!!!! Yeeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!! ;-D Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:56:20 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: song lyrics to love well, from me you get....my faves.. "Lesson in Survival spinning out on turns that gets you tough guru books the bible only a reminder that you just not gooooood enough you need to believe in something what's not good enough our love?" oh and "leave that girl alone mama she looking like a mooo-hooo-hoo-ooovie queen." Oh, and i don't think Julie meant ENTIRE songs. jeepers! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 98 03:14:17 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Re: Court and Spark (get it?) Yes, Phyliss, Everything For Nothing was written about the trouble she had with this maid! -Kenny On 7/28/98 8:13PM, Phyliss Ward wrote: Could this be the subject of "Everything for Nothing"? Phyliss AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: My recollection is that her housekeeper actually sued Joni for assault and battery (or whatever> they call it in LA); Joni admitted kicking her in the shins (again, if memory serves), but her defence was extreme provocation, in that she'd just discovered that the housekeeper had ripped her off for a lot of money for bogus trips home to her place of birth. I think the case was thrown out. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 23:36:55 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Joni, Star Trek & Ambler, Pa. jussi wrote ... >__________________________________________________________________________ >Another bit of information: On TapeTree #7, there's the Temple Univ. gig >from 1974. A couple of weeks ago I posted a '6 degrees of separation' >suggestion to the list, connecting Joni to Star Trek. I have on tape one >track, "Both Sides Now", on which Joni tells a long story about Star Trek's >Spock. It's recorded at Temple Univ, Oklahoma (on TT#7 it's "Pa."--I guess >that's Pennsylvania), dated 8/21/74, a day *before* the gig on TT#7. Maybe >Joni performed on two nights there, I don't know. Anyway, I hope the version >on TT#7 includes the story. It's worth the Tree alone. >__________________________________________________________________________ Jussi, Temple University is located in Ambler, Pennsylvaina. during the 1974 "Miles Of Aisles" Tour, there were two shows in Ambler. the 1st-Show was on 8-21-74. the 2nd-Show was on 8-22-74. the Oklahoma location 'listed' for the 8-21-74 concert is Incorrect! you'd be surprised by how much misinformation often circulates reagarding some of these older recordings. that's the main reason why Wally, Les and I are meticulous in our attempts to keep the 'record' straight with accurate information. BTW: the "Spock/Star Trek" story is included along with other interesting stories. Joni was quite talkative in those days and there's some interesting interaction between her, and the audience. - ------- simon - ------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 23:44:10 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: Joni, Star Trek & Ambler, Pa. simon@icu.com wrote: > > the Oklahoma location 'listed' for the 8-21-74 concert is Incorrect! Well, somebody call the cops quick to take poor jussi away... The Jonischolars will have a fit over this one! Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 00:17:40 +0000 From: BarBearUh Subject: re: cheerful resignation hiya folks. i've been on vacation, and prior to that, work was unending. i'm tempted to delete all the digests that have built up in my mailbox, but for now, i'm gonna try reading them over the course of the next week or two. in the meantime, i'm going to attempt to be current. cross your fingers. or run for cover, whichever seems appropriate. Duane wrote: "I'd call it Joni on the brain or "Joni Dimensia", when I have some lyric ie: In the mirrors of a modern bank, from the window of a hotel room, repeating in my head over the course of an afternoon. I wonder if that phenonemon is endemic to the JMDL?" it is certainly endemic to me, though not limited to joni. a while back we had a thread about joni phrases that make it into our vocabulary, and i think that's an offshoot of this phenomenon. i do get a phrase or two locked in my head and i seem to be able to weave them into a number of sentences or thoughts over the course of a day. as i said, it's not limited to joni, but also to some other songwriters i'm obsessive about, and to some foreign language phrases. although i studied french for ions, i can't speak it, but some phrases get caught in those synapses and float to the surface for re-phraseology from time to time. BTW, one of my most common joni-stuck-in-my-headisms is 'that's where i'm gonna take myself tonight with the spit shine on my dancing shoes'. go figure - - i never go out dancing. which reminds me of a brief story i heard today from another film editor - she said she often wakes up at three AM obsessing about some show she's working on. i related to this, especially since the past few months have had me doing this a lot more than i'd like to. it's usually minutiae that's passing over and over - back before computer editing, i used to see video rewinding and fast forwarding in my waking dreams. anyhow, out of nowhere, instead of waking up worrying about if some shot is going to work, she woke up hearing ABBA's "dancing queen" and hasn't been able to get it out of her head for days. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 00:41:18 +0000 From: BarBearUh Subject: re: joni plugs VW? (now NJC) Patrick wrote: "so you have a commercial that sounds like bette's promoting ford, which she didn't want, and she's not being paid for her artistry. why shouldn't she sue?" same thing happened to tom waits. i don't remember the product, but he did win the suit. more power to 'em, i say. why should corporations imitate an artist without the artist getting something for it? and if they say no, the answer is NO. god bless the ones that can turn down the big bucks and hold on to their songs without their messages getting caught up in our capitalist culture. barbara np: ani difranco, little plastic castle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 22:35:54 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Court and Spark (get it?) Kenny wrote: > Yes, Phyliss, Everything For Nothing was written about the trouble she had with > this maid! Not meaning to be in "corrector mode" but the the song is aptly titled "The Windfall." There's an article on the JMDL site titled "Joni Rides Home" where you can read a little about it. It is the only article I've read where Joni admits to kicking the housekeeper in the shins and it also says that the suit was settled out of court. Most settlement agreements are confidential and not public record so it probably is not possible to learn the final result of the matter. Awhile back on the list someone wrote that the final outrageous act of bedevilment that got Joni going was returning home to find the housekeeper painting her piano green. Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #281 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?