From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #280 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, July 28 1998 Volume 03 : Number 280 TapeTree 7 is in the sign-up phase for leaves. Go to to sign up ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- JC: VW ad; 2-for-1 tix [Kate Tarasenko ] Court and Spark (get it?) [Linda Brady ] Re: Joni in literature (2) [Helen Gill ] Re: Joni pitching VW?? ["Lance A. Michel" ] Re: Court and Spark (get it?) ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni pitching VW?? [M.Russell@iaea.org] NJC-Richard Thompson/Nanci Griffith [MP123A321@aol.com] Re: (SJC)JMDL Digest V3 #278 [Heather ] Re: surabaya johnny (was Joni under cover) ["Reuben Bell3" ] She's baaaaaaaaccccckkkkk!!!!!!! [Ashara@aol.com] Joni tribute [Howard Motyl ] video trees ["Reuben Bell3" ] Joni played on Melrose Place [Bounced Message ] JC: Melrose Place Again! [kbarnicle@ensr.com] Re: Joni-on-the-Brain (was Cheerful Resignation) [Brian Gross ] Re: Joni tribute [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Joni tribute [Howard Motyl ] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fw:_oh_mexico_=28mariana=B4s_misadventures_and_outrageo?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?us_romance_in...=29?= [] (NJC) Mariana's address ["Kakki" ] bootlegs [Robbert ] Seeking Kurt Joachim von Behrmann, another Joni appreciator [Bounced Mess] Joni in Toronto [Bounced Message ] Joni Video Tape Trees [Deeana Klepper ] Re: NJC - Shawn Colvin [Linda Brady ] TTT Songbook [Mark Domyancich ] NJC: Lyrics I Have Loved ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Re: I GOT MINE!!!!!! [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Sheet music auction [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Anthology songbook auction [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] RE: Lyrics I Have Loved (JC) [davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greenstein)] rambling NJC ["Nixon" ] Re: NJC - Shawn Colvin [Marsha ] Re: NJC: Lyrics I Have Loved [catman ] Re: Anthology songbook auction [Mark Domyancich ] NJC: Richard Thompson [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Court and Spark (get it?) [AzeemAK@aol.com] NJC: Teletubbies & Pulp in Concert [AzeemAK@aol.com] lyrics i have loved (NJC) [RickieLee1@aol.com] Joni's only NY appearance [Sue ] Re: Joni's only NY appearance ["Deb Messling" ] I's A Muggin' sample, Both Sides Now ("Spock version") [jussi ] sample in little fluffy clouds (njc) [trxschwa ] RE: Joni in literature (vljc) [trxschwa ] Re: NJC: Lyrics I Have Loved [Mark or Travis ] Looking for trees #2 and #3 [elaine bean ] Re: Joni Special TV [Mark or Travis ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 01:37:27 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: JC: VW ad; 2-for-1 tix Yes, I've heard too that it's Rickie Lee Jones doing the voice-over on the new VW Bug commercial. Re: the 2-for-1 deal for Day in the Garden -- it's true -- folks who have purchased a ticket for Saturday (or Friday) can get a free ticket for either day by calling 1-800-882-CATS. This is a promotion by the festival folks, and it DOES sound like tickets are not selling briskly, although I won't miss the crowds. PERISH THE THOUGHT that this might cause a cancellation -- I couldn't bear it! (I also talked with someone in NY who said that tix for Sunday are $10 each, although I don't know if it's a local deal or what.) Please sign up for the Garden list at garden@jmdl.com (courtesy of More with Les!) -- we're sharing plans and would like to include any JMDLers who'll be attending the fest. Later, Kate in CO ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 08:45:50 +0100 From: Linda Brady Subject: Court and Spark (get it?) > lori wrote, > > >I cannot imagine that Joni would initiate a lawsuit over such a thing. > > gee, bette did it for exactly the right reason. Doesn't Joni have quite a litigous (sp?) history? I seem to recall that she was involved in something with Geffen Records, and then she took her ex-housekeeper to court or something? Can anyone verify/correct this? Linda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:56:32 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: Re: Joni in literature (2) Ah ha, more Joni in literature if you please: Fellow Australian fans rejoice.... Joni appears numerous times (or her lyrics do anyway) in Helen Garner's novel "Monkey Grip". Mostly For the Roses material i think i remember. An Australian book which is probably not known too well in America, but if you can track it down then it is anabsolute must read, lovely book, fantastic character AND it is set entirely in the suburb right near me in city Melbourne. Aust. bye. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 01:02:19 -0800 From: "Lance A. Michel" Subject: Re: Joni pitching VW?? It is a sample of The Orb's --"Little Fluffy Clouds"; which in turn uses a vocal soundbite from somewhere....I always thought the song soundbite sounded like Joni and wondered but never knew, but as someone on the list stated I guess it is from an interview with Rickie Lee Jones.........BTW, what do people think of the new VWs.......Just curious..........L8R...........Peas..........Lance - -- Lance A. Michel: - -There are as many shades to reality as there are windows unto the soul- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 00:55:28 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Court and Spark (get it?) Linda wrote: > Doesn't Joni have quite a litigous (sp?) history? I seem to recall that > she was involved in something with Geffen Records, and then she took her > ex-housekeeper to court or something? Can anyone verify/correct this? I'm going on memory here - I'm not sure that she was involved in a lawsuit against Geffen but she and a group of other artists sued the State of California for having been unfairly taxed over a number of years. They won the suit and Joni recovered quite a bit of money. I think her housekeeper sued Joni so she was a defendant in that case and did not bring the suit (but may have counter-sued). That matter was ultimately settled out of court. Somehow I don't see Joni bothering with a suit involving the VW ad. On the surface it seems there is not a lot to go on - how well known or widely identifiable is Joni's speaking voice? Lawsuits are very expensive and smart people don't pursue them unless it's a pretty sure bet. However, one might pursue trying for an injunction to stop the ad. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:49:33 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: Re: Joni pitching VW?? On Mon, 27 Jul 1998 23:37:16 EDT LRFye@aol.com wrote: > ...given Joni's own words about the subject of litigation, > I can't see her wasting time and energy that could be > spent in a much more positive manner ... > "Oh it's not like I was blind > I saw > But I took no action" This question is a little off topic, but I was wondering if anyone knows how the court case with Joni's maid finally turned out. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 05:53:22 EDT From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: NJC-Richard Thompson/Nanci Griffith From a recent post by Azeem: <> Shoot out the Lights...one of my favorite albums by R&L T hompson. I believe it was Rolling Stone mag. Album of the Year when released. Quite a feat as the general listening public don't have a clue who they are. I really like the tribute album Beat the Retreat, especially REM 's version of Wall of Death. Anyone heard Nanci Griffith's new cd with the above song on it? Who does she sing/play with on that cut? Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 08:18:00 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: (SJC)JMDL Digest V3 #278 >Tube wrote: >But just to end on a sinister note, a lot of us rock'n'rollers >are half deaf anyway from listening to the stuff too loudly for too long - What? What was that? Colin wrote: > >I know I am aproaching 40, but really!(Just looking at those figures is weird.) We're not getting older ... we're getting better! Like fine wine, mon amis! >Joni, for me, fortunately, has never leant herself to really loud >volume.Although I suppose I'd [play C&S and DED loud. Must give it a go. > Oh YES! I personally like HOSL & NRH loud. I think I'm going to do that right now..... What? What? (turn that damn thing down!) Heather(loving every minute of not working ... for now :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:18:28 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell3" Subject: Re: surabaya johnny (was Joni under cover) good call on this song, it's more of a monologue than a pop song. pull out all the dramatic stops, joni... This was also on Marianne Faithfull's last album, "20th Century Blues" (which was mostly Brecht/Weill tunes.] Sorry if this was mentioned before, but its a fantastic record. Did Joni cover this?? Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:27:38 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: surabaya johnny (NJC) I agree Bette's version is divine. Betty Buckley has taken to some Kurt Weil lately, a sign of a mature singer challenging herself artically. Judy Collins did Pirate Jenny years ago. But I think Marianne Faithful was born to sing Weil and may well make a career out of it. Then again, Bob Dylan growling out a rock version of Surabaya Jenny might be interesting! Jerry np: Black Crow - San Jose ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:07:24 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: She's baaaaaaaaccccckkkkk!!!!!!! Hi everyone! I am back from two incredible weeks of singing in Italy. What a beautiful country to sing in! even though I am hopelessly behind in digests, as you can welll imagine, I thought I would pop in and say hi to all of you, and let you know I've been thinking about you, before I leave again on Friday. I met quite a lot of Joni fans while in Italy, and, of course, I told them all about the website, etc. So, the Labor Day party plans are in full swing, and the day is getting closer!! Please let me know as soon as possible if you are planning to come, and fill out all the neccessary paperwork in order to be allowed in! ;-) To check out more details, please send a blank message to: info-jonifestne@jmdl.com Hugs, Ashara P.S. If you want to get a message to me, you are better off e-mailing me privately as I have no idea when I will be caught up with list mail. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:02:26 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Joni tribute Why do we only talk about women on the tribute album? Wouldn't it be interesting to hear some men doing Joni? Doing Joni songs, I mean. Like Seal doing Two Grey Rooms or Rainy Night House? Or Duncan Sheik doing A Case of You? George Michael doing The Last Time I Saw Richard or Good Friends? (Maybe George and Aretha doing a duet on Good Friends . . . ) Any more boys? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:26:36 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell3" Subject: video trees I too, would like copies of these video tapes. I was out of the list loop at that point. I was a branch on a couple of trees last spring and fall, and know that its kind of a hassle, but if someone could help me out, I'd appreciate it. Reuben rpbell3@newchurch.edu "If I'd only seen through the silky veils of ardor, what a killing crime this love would be." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:29:40 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Joni played on Melrose Place Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:39:15 -0400 From: "Perroni, Stephen" Did anyone see Melrose Place Monday night? They always open the show with street scenes of LA And with a song playing in the backround. I was pleasantly surprised when they started the show With Come In From the Cold. My friend who I was watching with said "Oh I like this song...Is it new?" GASP! I'm glad Joni got the exposure but I'm not sure how the song relates to a Melrose Place crowd. And while I'm On the subject of hearing Joni where less expected...I love the track by Janet Jackson "Got Til It's Gone" It Took me a while to figure out the "Don't know what you got til it's gone" thing in the title of the song...I know I'm A little slow. Be patient with me. This is my first post to the list. I figured I'd been lurking long enough. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:34:06 EDT From: kbarnicle@ensr.com Subject: JC: Melrose Place Again! Apologies if this has been posted already. I'm on the digest, y'know. But the season opener of Melrose Place was on Monday Night and they opened with Joni's Come in from the Cold!! It was wonderful to hear her voice as I anticipated all of the nasty things that Michael or Amanda would be doing, and what about Sam and that stupid Billy! Enough already! Someone at Melrose Place must be a big fan of Joni's since they have used her music during the coma patient scene (I believe it was Chelsea Morning). When Turbulent Indigo came out, they opened a Melrose Place with Sex Kills. What a great show! Katie from the Cape ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:31:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Joni-on-the-Brain (was Cheerful Resignation) - ---Duane wrote: > > I'd call it Joni on the brain or "Joni Dimensia", when I have some lyric ie: > In the mirrors of a modern bank, from the window of a hotel room, repeating in > my head over the course of an afternoon. I wonder if that phenonemon is > endemic to the JMDL? > I find myself doing this all the time. I'll have a Joni-tune stuck in my head and keep singing it over and over, sometimes out loud, but more often quietly to myself. Those around me think I'm a bit crazy when I find Joni-connections to things that happen around us. At least my kids recognize them as Joni-lyrics when I come up with a line, seemingly out of the blue (ie. here is a song for you), that corresponds to something just said or done. I'm really looking forward to Tape Tree #7, as I was in attendance at Temple Ambler back in 74. Was anyone else from the JMDL there? Later, Brian np: For The Roses (absolutely Amazing) === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:39:35 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: NJC - Shawn Colvin From Columbia's "Daily Dish": IT'S A GIRL! Congratulations to new mom Shawn Colvin who gave birth to daughter Caledonia "Calie" Marie last Friday evening, July 24. Shawn and baby, who weighed in at a healthy 7 lbs, are at home in Austin, Texas, doing very well. - ------------------------------ http://www.shawncolvin.com - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:45:38 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni tribute In a message dated 98-07-28 10:10:19 EDT, you write: << George Michael doing The Last Time I Saw Richard >> Is that a joke? George Michael singing The Last Time I Saw Dick LOL! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:44:12 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Re: Joni tribute IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 98-07-28 10:10:19 EDT, you write: > > << George Michael doing The Last Time I Saw Richard >> > > Is that a joke? George Michael singing The Last Time I Saw Dick > > LOL! That is funny. But I did not mean it to be when I suggested it--I am tired of gay performers pretending to sing to the opposite sex--kd lang had finally stopped doing it a couple of years ago--and I think Geo would do a heartfelt rendition of "Richard". but your joke is funny. Not hilarious. But funny. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:46:41 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fw:_oh_mexico_=28mariana=B4s_misadventures_and_outrageo?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?us_romance_in...=29?= Mariana just sent this to me for forwarding to the list. Kakki > okay, so here i am, thinking i´m gonna get this super groovy looking > e-mail adress like "mmcconnell@centurebillegual.mexico.edu" and instead, > they give me that dinky old server that we all know and love/hate > HOTMAIL. dork! oh well. at least i do have e-mail so i can´t complain > too much. also, i´m skipping conversation class to send you all this. > anyway, for the next four weeks, i´m no longer marilune, i´m > mexicomariana. um, yay. > anywho, so i arrived here sunday, the day after finishing up "a chorus > line" (which was fantabulous! the best thing i´ve ever done). the family > i´m staying with are la famila rojas martinez and they include lourdes > (mama), gabriel (papa, dentist), and gaby (daughter, my age). also > staying with them for a week are pablo y jose, a father and son from > minnesota. jose (joe) looks like prince harry so i call him princepo > kiki which is the spanish version. > i get my own private room and bathroom and i put out some pictures and > magazines to make it a little more homie. i´ve got the jmdl picture of > all of us on duane´s bed and the bel hotel on my mirror. i brought along > some books and my walkman so i listen to joni and nirvana and the foos > and kate and tori and elliott and write letters to my friends in the > afternoon. > the school is nice enough. i have a grammar class in the morning and > i´ve made friends with some girls from new york and one from san diego. > conversation is midday and very pansy. all we do is sit down at tables > with a preassigned topic and speak espanol. it´s for practice. of > course, we´re not required to attend any classes but it is our money so > it´s our money down the tube. i´m not ditching. only once in a while. > for important stuff, like e-mail. > my afternoon grammar class is alright. i´ve got three fresas (spanish > for bimbo and strawberry) in it. they´re all blonde and stupid and think > i´m brilliant at spanish just because i don´t use "like" or "um" every > other word. ugh. but they´re okay i guess. one´s sort of snobby and one > goes to a rival private school to crossroads. brentwood idiots. all they > talk about is boys boys boys. yew. i go to mexico to get away from those > types and they follow me here. > speaking of boys, i´m pretty much voer my post griffin blues. "a chorus > line" helped alot. a great headline was in the la times calendar on > sunday in an article about minnie driver. "get over it (she has)". i > think i´ll cut it out and save it. > the post play blues are setting in lightly. only when i think about it. > but i´m keeping busy. > i´ll keep ya´ll updated on everything that´s going on. like if i ever > meet blonde surfer boy from the midwest. > > adio > mariana > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:52:35 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: (NJC) Mariana's address P.S. If anyone wants to drop Mariana an email her temporary address is mexicomariana@hotmail.com Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:16:59 +0200 From: Robbert Subject: bootlegs Hi everybody, About 10 days ago Chuck Reese offered a Joni boot of one of her May concerts. I ordered it, sent cash (unregistered, I might add) and today received: a) the boot I ordered, b) an extra bootleg with songs from all 3 performers (Dylan, Morrison, Joni), for free! This contains Refuge of the Roads by Joni, which isn't on the boot that has her entire performance of the 2nd L.A. show. So, after all the negative writings, I'm wondering: I don't know if Chuck Reese is a bootlegdealer, or a Joni fan, like all of us. Maybe he's both. I do know he sent me an extra cd - no charge. IF he's a dealer, he's the exception that confirms the rule, as we say over here. If he's a Joni fan that decided to offer his help in obtaining rare Joni material, we should all cherish him. Food for thought? Perhaps a little late, but quickly my thoughts on the bootleg matter, and I know I am not the only one who thinks like this: I don't think that bootlegs hurt artists. We're talking about items that only WE, the big fans are interested in. Buying bootlegs doesn't make us NOT buy official releases! If Joni would release another live album, availability of bootlets will not be of any influence on her sales figures. Bootlegs aren't easy to find, it's not like you can get them at your local tower records. Bootleggers making money of which the artists doesn't see anything? I call that free market economy. A matter of demand and supply. On the moral issue - how about having your house painted, paying the painter "under the table"? Let's not kid ourselves here. I don't believe that those who speak about morality are totally "clean" themselves all the times under any circumstances. Looking forward to meeting the Gardeners on the 15th! Best, Robbert from The Netherlands NP: Steely Dan - Manassas, VA, July 1996 (yeah, it's a bootleg - a VERY nice one!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:16:29 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Seeking Kurt Joachim von Behrmann, another Joni appreciator From: "Kurt Joachim von Behrmann" Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:18:32 -0700 July 28, 1998 To Any and Everyone: I just wanted to get this note out to give everyone my new email address which is joachim7@worldenet.att.net for those that would like to contact me. If you are interested in my shirts and prints, and several people going to Joni Mitchell concerts have expressed an interest, and have worn them with pride, they can still be made. Also, I have a show in Tucson that will showcase some of my Joni Mitchell inspired art work. Thank you. Kurt Joachim von Behrmann, Artist, Writer and Poet Web Address: http://members.xoom.com/behrmann and most recently http://members.tripod.com/~vonbehrmann/index.htm Email: joachim7@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:15:21 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Joni in Toronto Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:17:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" A friend of mine just returned from Toronto where he found Joni cd's on sale for 9.99 Canadian, which is aboot:) 6.90 American. He kindly bought me 3. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:18:46 -0500 From: Deeana Klepper Subject: Joni Video Tape Trees Hello - My wife and I are newbies to this list. We would like to trade for low generation copies of the 2 video tape trees. To trade in return, I have Joni's Johnny Cash Show appearances in decent quality, also an interesting vid of a home movie with Joni and CSN & Y. (Has this circulated?) I also have a great deal of excellent Dylan video. Hoping to hear from you. Jeff and Deeana Klepper P.S. Just heard that Joni will be appearing in Chicago to benefit the Old Town School of Folk Music. Tickets will only cost 5 grand each (!) Sorry if this is old news. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 21:43:40 +0100 From: Linda Brady Subject: Re: NJC - Shawn Colvin Pardon me if I should know this, but who's the father? And did she ever have a fling with Larry Klein? Forgive me for the sleazy gossip, but I gotta know! Linda > >From Columbia's "Daily Dish": > > IT'S A GIRL! > Congratulations to new mom Shawn Colvin who gave birth to daughter > Caledonia "Calie" Marie last Friday evening, July 24. Shawn and > baby, who weighed in at a healthy 7 lbs, are at home in Austin, > Texas, doing very well. > ------------------------------ > > http://www.shawncolvin.com > ------------------------------ > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:59:28 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: TTT Songbook Hi everyone- Does anybody have an idea as to when the Taming The Tiger songbook is coming out? Wally? Les? Simon? They usually come out during the release, but sometimes they don't come out for a few months. When I ordered the Hits songbook, well past the release date, I was given instead a shoddy attempt at a hits songbook. Just curious!! NP-Love Has Many Faces ____________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |__________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:12:59 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: NJC: Lyrics I Have Loved Jmdlers, share with us----your favorite lyrics from any song that keeps crossing your mind lately: Mine is: "Family Affair" by Sly and the Family Stone: It's a family affair, It's a family affair. It's a family affair, It's a family affair. One child grows up to be Somebody that just loves To learn. And another child grows up to be Somebody you'd just love To burn. Mom loves the both of them You see it's in the blood Both kids are good to Mom "Blood's thicker than mud." It's a family affair, It's a family affair. Newlywed a year ago. But you're still checking Each other out. Nobody wants to blow Nobody wants to be Left out. You can't leave, 'cause your Heart is there. But you can't stay, 'cause You been somewhere else! You can't cry, 'cause you'll Look broke down But you're cryin' anyway 'Cause you're all broke Down! It's a family affair, It's a family affair. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:09:29 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: I GOT MINE!!!!!! Hi all, Visited the Bethel site on Sat. July 18th and forgot to post about it. It was a beautiful Saturday afternoon. There were several carloads of people milling about the monument. The are of the stage looked just about ready for the stage construction to begin. The entire hillside is surrounded by a three foot wooden coral type fence. Hardly secure. I don't know if they plan on putting up permanent or temporary higher fencing but if they don't the concert could easily be viewed from the surrounding road. Fence or no fence, hearing from outside will not be a problem. Met several locals who live within 5 miles of the site who assured me I would not need tickets and that this would be a "freebie". None of them were buying tickets and all said they would be there. Someone was asking about our personal plans. I plan on arriving somewhere between 11 and 2pm and then either buying a ticket or not depending on the situation. This is all based on good weather. If it is anything like '69 or '94 weatherwise, I won't be going. I look forward to meeting you all, if I can find you! I'll be looking for your JMDL shirts all day. Dave NP: Tape of the Day 7/28/82 Grateful Dead: Red Rocks, CO. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:20:07 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Sheet music auction VINTAGE SHEET MUSIC - JONI MITCHELL Seller: globaltreasures@webtv.net Starts: 07/21/98 16:44:53 PDT Ends:   07/28/98 16:44:53 PDT Price: Currently $7.50 To bid the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=22250771 Item Description:               Titled: Chelsea Morning, by Joni Mitchell, 1967 Siquomb Publ. Corp., cover photo Joni with guitar. Please add $2.00 S&H to your order. Item will come to you cardboard backed and in a plastic sleeve. gdave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:21:44 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Anthology songbook auction Joni Mitchell's Anthology song book Seller: the_bird_house@msn.com Starts: 07/22/98 10:00:10 PDT Ends:   07/29/98 10:00:10 PDT Price: Currently $5.50 To bid the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=22344764 Item Description:               Joni Mitchell's Anthology is a song book containing 31 of her most famous songs from albums Blue, Ladies of the Canyon, Clouds, Court & Spark, Wild Things Run Fast, Hejira, For the Roses, and Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. Standard musical notation with words, for piano or guitar, shows guitar chords used in fret-pictures. Pages in unused condition, outside paper cover slightly aged from shelf sitting. Buyer pays light postage. gdave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:19:57 -0700 From: davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greenstein) Subject: RE: Lyrics I Have Loved (JC) >Julie wrote: Jmdlers, share with us----your favorite lyrics from any song that keeps crossing your mind lately: >I can't get the song "This Flight Tonight" off my mind..... "Oh starbright, starbright You've got the lovin that I like, all right Turn this crazy bird around I shouldn't have got on this flight tonight" - -Davina - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Julie Z. Webb Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 3:13 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: NJC: Lyrics I Have Loved Jmdlers, share with us----your favorite lyrics from any song that keeps crossing your mind lately: Mine is: "Family Affair" by Sly and the Family Stone: It's a family affair, It's a family affair. It's a family affair, It's a family affair. One child grows up to be Somebody that just loves To learn. And another child grows up to be Somebody you'd just love To burn. Mom loves the both of them You see it's in the blood Both kids are good to Mom "Blood's thicker than mud." It's a family affair, It's a family affair. Newlywed a year ago. But you're still checking Each other out. Nobody wants to blow Nobody wants to be Left out. You can't leave, 'cause your Heart is there. But you can't stay, 'cause You been somewhere else! You can't cry, 'cause you'll Look broke down But you're cryin' anyway 'Cause you're all broke Down! It's a family affair, It's a family affair. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 23:33:21 +0200 From: "Nixon" Subject: rambling NJC Subject: Re: NJC - Shawn Colvin Linda Brady wrote: > > Pardon me if I should know this, but who's the father? And did she ever > have a fling with Larry Klein? Forgive me for the sleazy gossip, but I > gotta know! > Shawn and Calie's father, photographer Mario Erwin of Austin, are married. This is her first child. There has never been gossip generated about Shawn's relationship with Larry Klein. They are known as friends and collaborators. Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 22:33:31 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC: Lyrics I Have Loved Share The End here come the priests each one wailing and bemoaning lordy, they got their heads bowed down here come the madmen they're too excited for atoning burn the mosque they're shouting burn it down save me a place surround me with friendly faces all of us have gathered here to share the end to watch the world go up in flames please, lord, we're not ready give us a day give us an hour here come the kings let's dispense with their apologizing just bring on the acrobats and clowns here comes the rumble hang on for universal dying please ignore the baying of the hounds save me a place.... please lord we're not ready give us some time to work things out please lord we're not ready give us a day give us an hour... 1971 Carly Simon/Jacob Brackman not exactly a happy tune but one I have loved for years. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 16:48:32 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Anthology songbook auction This songbook is still available. I saw it on the web for $17 or so. Not a good investment, I think-no open tunings. NP-Cherokee LouiseJoni Mitchell's Anthology song book Seller: the_bird_house@msn.com >Starts: 07/22/98 10:00:10 PDT Ends:   07/29/98 10:00:10 PDT Price: >Currently $5.50 To bid the item, go to: >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=22344764 ____________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |__________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:31:54 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: NJC: Richard Thompson In a message dated 7/27/98 10:10:35PM, Bolvangar writes: << P.P.S. Some of MY least favorite Richard Thompson songs: "The End of the Rainbow," "Dead Man's Handle," "Psycho Street." >> Agree with you about the last two, but I think "End of the Rainbow" is a great song, if a tad bleak (but then you don't expect otherwise from the great man). In fact, as someone else mentioned RT covers albums, there was a great version of "End of the Rainbow" by Tom Robinson on a compilation called "The World is a Wonderful place", which came out a couple of year before "Beat the Retreat", and which I prefer. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:32:10 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Court and Spark (get it?) In a message dated 7/28/98 7:47:50AM, l.brady@lancaster.ac.uk writes: << I seem to recall that she was involved in something with Geffen Records, and then she took her ex-housekeeper to court or something? Can anyone verify/correct this? >> Well, Linda, I'm not sure about Geffen, but she did indeed get into some legal shenanigans with m'learned friends about her housekeeper. My recollection is that her housekeeper actually sued Joni for assault and battery (or whatever they call it in LA); Joni admitted kicking her in the shins (again, if memory serves), but her defence was extreme provocation, in that she'd just discovered that the housekeeper had ripped her off for a lot of money for bogus trips home to her place of birth. I think the case was thrown out. All the best, Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:32:16 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: NJC: Teletubbies & Pulp in Concert This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_901665136_boundary Content-ID: <0_901665136@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 7/28/98 1:20:43PM, Azeem_Ali-Khan@clyde.co.uk writes: << A Wednesday afternoon sing-a-long... > (I Want To Live Like) The Teletubbies > > to the tune of Common People > > Original music and lyrics by Pulp, and our apologies to Jarvis Cocker and the BBC... > > She came from space, she had a taste for custard She fell over and got very flustered > That's when she > Waved at me > > She told me that her name was Laa Laa > I just smiled at her and said "Ha ha" > Cos it rhymed > And then in twenty minutes time > I said > > I want to live like the Teletubbies > I want to go wherever Teletubbies go > I want to play with Tinky Winky > I want to play with Dipsy, Laa Laa and Po > And then, what do you know? > > She said....."Eh-oh!" > > She took me to a flowery golf course > I don't why, there were rabbits everywhere > Or were they...hares? > > There was a windmill and a funny lady > And the sun looked like a baby > That laughed > And it wasn't the only one laughing > How bizarre, I said... > > I want to live like the Teletubbies > I want to eat whatever Teletubbies eat > I want to pig out on Tubby-custard > I want to munch Tubby-toast ten times a week > But they didn't understand > They just smiled and all held hands > > Wear a hat upon your head > Get a handbag that's bright red > Love your friends and give them hugs > > Pretend you've never taken drugs > Still you'll never get it right > Cos when you're all tucked up at night > Watching Noo Noo sweep the floor > You can switch it off or watch Channel Four > > You'll never live like Teletubbies > You'll never see whatever Teletubbies see > Never have a telly on your tummy > Never get paid a wad from the BBC > Or dance and drink pink goo > Because you've better things to do > > Sing along with the Teletubbies > Sing along and you might not feel so blue > Dance along with the Teletubbies > Even though they're much better dancers than you > And do the silly things that they do > Because alien chic is cool... >> - --part0_901665136_boundary Content-ID: <0_901665136@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc02.mx.aol.com (rly-zc02.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.2]) by air-zc02.mail.aol.com (v46.20) with SMTP; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:20:41 -0400 Received: from mail01.clyde.co.uk (notesmail.clyde.co.uk [193.130.88.226]) by rly-zc02.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id JAA19607 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:20:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Azeem_Ali-Khan@clyde.co.uk Received: by mail01.clyde.co.uk(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 8025664F.0049173A ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:18:20 +0100 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CLYDE_CO To: azeemak@aol.com Message-ID: <8025664F.00490B55.00@mail01.clyde.co.uk> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:16:40 +0100 Subject: Teletubbies & Pulp in Concert Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit A Wednesday afternoon sing-a-long... > (I Want To Live Like) The Teletubbies > > to the tune of Common People > > Original music and lyrics by Pulp, and our apologies to > Jarvis Cocker and the BBC... > > > She came from space, she had a taste for custard > She fell over and got very flustered > That's when she > Waved at me > > She told me that her name was Laa Laa > I just smiled at her and said "Ha ha" > Cos it rhymed > And then in twenty minutes time > I said > > I want to live like the Teletubbies > I want to go wherever Teletubbies go > I want to play with Tinky Winky > I want to play with Dipsy, Laa Laa and Po > And then, what do you know? > > She said....."Eh-oh!" > > She took me to a flowery golf course > I don't why, there were rabbits everywhere > Or were they...hares? > > There was a windmill and a funny lady > And the sun looked like a baby > That laughed > And it wasn't the only one laughing > How bizarre, I said... > > I want to live like the Teletubbies > I want to eat whatever Teletubbies eat > I want to pig out on Tubby-custard > I want to munch Tubby-toast ten times a week > But they didn't understand > They just smiled and all held hands > > Wear a hat upon your head > Get a handbag that's bright red > Love your friends and give them hugs > > Pretend you've never taken drugs > Still you'll never get it right > Cos when you're all tucked up at night > Watching Noo Noo sweep the floor > You can switch it off or watch Channel Four > > You'll never live like Teletubbies > You'll never see whatever Teletubbies see > Never have a telly on your tummy > Never get paid a wad from the BBC > Or dance and drink pink goo > Because you've better things to do > > Sing along with the Teletubbies > Sing along and you might not feel so blue > Dance along with the Teletubbies > Even though they're much better dancers than you > And do the silly things that they do > Because alien chic is cool... - --part0_901665136_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:49:28 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: lyrics i have loved (NJC) ok i'll bite. (how come no one talks about leonard cohen on this list? he seems a logical co-obsession to joni fans...) any way, here is a good one from lenny c. song of bernadette "there was a child named bernadette i heard the story long ago she saw the queen of heaven once and kept the vision in her soul no one believed what she had seen, no one believed what she heard. that there were sorrows to be healed. and mercy, mercy in this world. so many hearts i find. broke like yours and mine. torn by what we've done and can't undo. i just want to hold you, come on let me hold you. like bernadette would do. and so we go, we fall we fly. we mostly fall, we mostly run. and every now and then we try. to mend the damage that we've done. tonight, tonight i just can't rest. i've got this joy here, inside my breast. to think that i did not forget, this child, this song of bernadette. so many hearts i find. hearts like yours and mine. torn by what we've done and can't undo. i just want to hold you. won't you let me hold you? like bernadette would do?" there you go list. he has so many wonderful songs. i love his dark and mysterious ones, but he must have been a good boy on the day he wrote this one and remembered his prozac that morning or something. it is a little more positive than most of his lyrics. FOR EXAMPLE.... everybody knows "everybody knows that the dice are loaded. everybody rolls with their fingers crossed. everybody knows that the war is over. everybody knows that the good guys lost. everybody knows that the fight is fixed...the poor stay poor and the rich get rich. that's how it goes. and everybody knows. everybody knows that the boat is leaking. everybody knows the captain lied. everybody's got this broken feeling, like their father or their dog just died. everybody talking to their pockets, everybody wants a box of chocolates and a long stem rose. everybody knows. everybody knows that you love me baby. everybody knows you really do. everybody knows that you've been faithful, give or take a time or two. everybody knows you've been discreet, but there were so many people you just had to meet without your clothes. and everybody knows. and everybody knows that its now or never. everybody knows that its me or you. and everybody knows that you live forever, when you've done a line or two. everybody knows the deal is rotten, old black joe's still picking cotton for your ribbons and bows. and everybody knows. everybody knows that the plague is coming. everybody knows that its moving fast. everybody knows that the naked man and woman are just an shining artifact of the past. everybody knows the scene is dead, but there's gonna be a meter on your bed that will disclose what everybody knows. and everybody knows that you're in trouble. everybody knows what you've been through, from the bloody cross on top of calvary to the beach at malibu. everybody knows its coming apart. take one last look at this sacred heart before it blows. and everybody knows." ok. i could go on and on. i love this guy. and am i imagining this or is he one of the handful of influences that joni will own up to? see you all. peace, ric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:51:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue Subject: Joni's only NY appearance I got my travel guide to Sullivan County today and in it was a flyer advertising A Day in the Garden. There was a banner across the upper right hand corner of Joni's picture with " ONLY NY APPEARANCE" written in it. Did anyone else get this with their guide? Take care, Sue Cameron (Suze) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:19:25 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: Joni's only NY appearance Well, I'm glad I live in New Jersey! > I got my travel guide to Sullivan County today and in it was a flyer > advertising A Day in the Garden. There was a banner across the upper right > hand corner of Joni's picture with " ONLY NY APPEARANCE" written in it. > Did anyone else get this with their guide? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 03:08:31 -0700 From: jussi Subject: I's A Muggin' sample, Both Sides Now ("Spock version") hi list, I don't remember the following being mentioned on the list. I just finished listening to Charles Peterson's show on the radio. He played a track that samples the Joni/Mingus "I's A Muggin'" bit throughout the track. Though only the wordless part, from 0.03 to 0.05 seconds on my CD display (That's 30% of the whole track!) I don't know exactly by who (whom?) the track is, but it was some kind of project by a chap called Butterfly (I bet he's a really mean-looking rapper) in a group called Digable Planets. Another bit of information: On Tape Tree #7, there's the Temple University gig from 1974. A couple of weeks ago I posted a '6 degrees of separation' (or whatever it was called) suggestion to the list, connecting Joni to Star Trek. I have on tape one track, "Both Sides Now", on which Joni tells a long story about Star Trek's Spock. It's recorded at Temple Uni, Oklahoma (on TT#7 it's "Pa." -- I guess that's Pennsylvania), dated 8/21/74, a day *before* the gig on TT#7. Maybe Joni performed on two nights there, I don't know. Anyway, I hope the version on TT#7 includes the story. It's worth the Tree alone. - --jussi np: Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:13:13 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Court and Spark (get it?) Could this be the subject of "Everything for Nothing"? Phyliss AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/28/98 7:47:50AM, l.brady@lancaster.ac.uk writes: > > My recollection is that her housekeeper actually sued Joni for assault and > battery (or whatever > they call it in LA); Joni admitted kicking her in the shins (again, if memory > serves), but her defence was extreme provocation, in that she'd just > discovered that the housekeeper had ripped her off for a lot of money for > bogus trips home to her place of birth. I think the case was thrown out. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:12:16 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: sample in little fluffy clouds (njc) hey lance, the guitar sample is from steve reich's electric counterpoint, one of three pieces he's written for solo instrumentalist with tape loops. it was written for and recorded by pat metheny. one of my favorite pieces of music in the world. patrick, a huge rickie lee, orb and reich fan np - silence ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:11:11 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: RE: Joni in literature (vljc) hey mark, i was a huge michener fan in high school and probably read the drifters just a few years after you. i think my copy's gone, and you make me want to read it again. the only michener i've kept is hawaii, tales of the south pacific, and the source, all magnificent and all on my soon to reread list. he really cared about his characters and locations then, and drew you deep inside. the source is about nothing less than the birth of all western religions, and nothing more than a few people in each age. long before the michener, inc. machine cranked up. patrick - np - adams - china gates ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:16:55 -0700 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: NJC: Lyrics I Have Loved Julie Z. Webb wrote: > > Jmdlers, share with us----your favorite lyrics from any song that keeps > crossing your mind lately: Recently there are two because I've been trying to learn them. One is 'Til the Heart Caves In' which kd sings on Drag. It was written by T-Bone Burnett, Bob Neuwirth & Roy Orbison: Stood together in an open field And shared the secrets that the night revealed Then we chased the light Racing through the sky We untangled guilt and innocence How hard we tortured this ambivalence Light will bring no dawn Where's the power gone? For I'll steal your dreams While you are sleeping And sell them for dust And cheap lust And I'll turn your hope While you are weeping And cover your eyes With sad lies And dark skies Come closer to me On your hands and knees Alone when your will's gone How much is not enough? How much is through? How long will I be getting over you? How much we can sin Til the heart caves in Til the heart caves in Til the heart caves in The other is 'Goin' Back To Harlan' by Anna McGarrigle which Emmylou Harris sings on Wrecking Ball: There were no cuckoos, no sycamores We played about the forest floor Underneath the silver maples The balsams and the sky We pulled the heads off dandelions Assuming roles from nursery rhymes Rested on a river bank And grew up by & by And grew up by & by Frail my heart apart And play me a little Shady Grove Ring the Bells of Rhymney Til they ring inside my head forever Bounce the bow, rock the gallows For the Hangman's Reel And wake the Devil from his Dream I'm goin' back to Harlan I'm goin' back to Harlan I'm goin' back to Harlan And if you were Willie Moore And I was Barbara Allen Or fair Ellen, all sad at the cabin door A-weepin' and a-pinin' for love A-weepin' and a-pinin' for love Frail my heart apart And play me a little Shady Grove Ring the Bells of Rhymney Til they ring inside my head forever Bounce the bow, rock the gallows For the Hangman's Reel And wake the Devil from his Dream I'm goin' back to Harlan I'm goin' back to Harlan I'm goin' back to Harlan..... Mark in Seattle where it's still too damn hot! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:35:06 -0700 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Michener (NJC) trxschwa wrote: > > hey mark, > > i was a huge michener fan in high school and probably read the drifters > just a few years after you. i think my copy's gone, and you make me want > to read it again. > > the only michener i've kept is hawaii, tales of the south pacific, and the > source, all magnificent and all on my soon to reread list. he really cared > about his characters and locations then, and drew you deep inside. the > source is about nothing less than the birth of all western religions, and > nothing more than a few people in each age. > > long before the michener, inc. machine cranked up. > > patrick - np - adams - china gates I agree with you about 'Hawaii' (my favorite) and 'The Source' which is an amazing book. I haven't read 'Tales of the South Pacific' which predates 'Hawaii'. I gave up on him after 'Centennial'. They were coming out too fast for me and I just couldn't believe he could possibly maintain the quality. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 21:35:43 -0400 From: elaine bean Subject: Looking for trees #2 and #3 Hi, I'm relatively new and just signed up for tree #7. I'm hoping that some kind lister out there might be willing to make me copies of some of the stuff I missed. Eventually I'd like to acquire all of the trees, but for now just tape trees #2 and #3 will do. Anybody? I'll do the usual - postage and provide blanks and/or anything else you suggest to facilitate the process. E-mail privately please. If replying tonight, write to this address - if you don't get to me until Wednesday, you can reach me at bean@neu.edu. Thank you. I appreciate your help. Elaine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:37:44 -0700 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: Joni Special TV Anne Madden wrote: > > Hi, > > I live in Canada but haven't heard anything yet about a TV Joni Special. > Have you any details on it because I want to make sure I tape it. > > Thanks. > > Anne I think all it said was that it would be on the CBC's upcoming fall schedule. It sounds like the taping that some of the JMDL attended in LA. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #280 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?