From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #274 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, July 24 1998 Volume 03 : Number 274 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Hi All (SJC) [Thomas Ross ] Thank you, Rob Jordan!! [Robert Holliston ] Re: NJC:pianist envy [Thomas Ross ] Re: Thank-you! [FredNow@aol.com] Re: The Unfiltered Joni Mitchell - Part 6 (Mojo 8/98) [Susan McNamara ] RE: Joni Tribute Album & Possitilities ["Don Rowe" ] Re: What should Barb get next? [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Thank-you! (NJC) [Heather ] "Refuge of the roads" / In memoriam (Joni content in the eye of t he beholder) [Mary Pitassi ] Re: The "Fashionable Ms. Sara Lee ["Don Rowe" ] 2nd Fret Philly Tape question? [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Re: Thank you, Rob Jordan!! [Susan McNamara ] The Unfiltered Joni Mitchell - Part 8 (Mojo 8/98) [Rob Jordan ] New Joni CD Sept. 15 ["Peter Holmstedt" ] Today in Joni History - July 24 [Today in Joni History ] RE: Joni Tribute Album & Possitilities [trxschwa ] NJC - Van Morrison set list [Mark or Travis ] SJC: Sue McN, WallyB, good Sams [Kate Tarasenko ] Re: TapeTree #7 [simon@icu.com] JONI & Kyle Eastwood [simon@icu.com] JONI & the Chieftains [simon@icu.com] TapeTree #7 (Contents) [simon@icu.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 03:15:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Ross Subject: Re: Hi All (SJC) great gotta check out chico. maarvin's no slouch. congrats on the job! TR The Cormack & Ross Band's new CD 'global jazz songs' album *HORSE of STONE*, made possible by David Crosby, has excerpts and info at http://www.barncard.com/cormack-ross.html Mizazi Recordings Box 542 Middletown, CT 06457 "Sublime. . . fascinating vocal interplay, virtuoso instrumental work and deeply creative songwriting that blends classical Asian styles with contemporary and traditional Western motifs. . . had this actually been released and recognized when it was recorded, today's music might have a wholly different sound." J. Eric Smith, METROLAND ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:26:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Holliston Subject: Thank you, Rob Jordan!! Dear Rob, Thank you so much for posting the interview from Mojo - I can hardly wait until the August issue hits the stands here!! It has been fascinating to read your installments - she really opens up in this one... I picked up a copy of the July issue, which featured a May concert review (interesting fact: Joni's is the only name actually mentioned on the cover). Did you say that the interviewer was the same person who write the concert review? He's obviously a real Joni fan! The Mojo review was the only one I read that suggested that *more* new songs would have been welcome in her setlist!! Thanks again - it's been a real treat (and you said there were photos, too? Yippee!) Cheers, Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 03:36:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Ross Subject: Re: NJC:pianist envy concave or convex it's always about sex [someone supply the proper vveerse,, please?] mojo I thought aalso meant magical power which could be used to get women, like juju. when I was rreturning to the staates, a nigeerien friend asked me to send him some 'red mercury', which he thought provided powwerr in business and whatnot. !! TR > > You know, a week or two ago the meaning of "pachyderm" in Blue Motel Room was > > discussed, and we came to the conclusion that it meant "penis." > > > Now the meaning of the word "mojo" from Come In From The Cold is being > > discussed, and we are again leaning toward "penis." > > > This is starting to look like a trend :-) > > In "This Flight Tonight", she said > > "I hope they finally fixed > your automobile. > (I) hope it's better when we meet again, baby." > > I suppose your going to tell me that the automobile is *also* a > penis.:D We have to get this dirty talk out of the way before mariana > gets back! > -- > All the best, > Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 04:42:18 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Thank-you! In a message dated 7/23/98 2:04:01 AM, Chilihead2@aol.com wrote: >This Saturday marks the 11th legal anniversary for my wife Debbie and me. We >have been living together for 18 years, so it's 18 years if you're >freethinking enough to include the seven years we didn't need a piece of paper >from the City Hall. Congratulations, Chilihead. My wife and I have been married for 10 years, but were together for 3 years before that. Whenever I mention this to anyone, my wife teases me, asking, "When we've been married for 50 years, are you gonna say 'Yeah, but we've been together for 53 years'?" - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:03:51 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: The Unfiltered Joni Mitchell - Part 6 (Mojo 8/98) > >[ Is anyone still reading this? Still 4 more pages to go!!! ] I've been inhaling every word with glee!! Thanks a million for typing this up!! Isn't she so Joni? :-) ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:10:41 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: What should Barb get next? Barb said: >I dont have anything between HOSL and TI. What does >the list recommend as the next album/CD that I should get? HEJIRA-HEJIRA-HEJIRA-HEJIRA-HEJIRA-HEJIRA-HEJIRA-HEJIRA-HEJIRA-HEJIRA am I making myself clear? :-) Thanks for decloaking!! ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 06:51:41 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: RE: Joni Tribute Album & Possitilities >julia fordham on furry? julia singing joni at >all? Absolutely ... anybody who can work a torch song like Julia's "For You Only for You" has a place in my humble opinion. Let's not forget that Larry Klein plays on/produced "Falling Forward" ... so she's already only 1 degree of separation away from our Joni! >none of your choices are, i think (maybe tori a little) among those that >are really stretching the boundaries of vocal technique, though. not like >meredith monk, nina hagen, bjork, elizabeth frazer and mimi goese, all of >whom have been my player in the last two days. joni's conversational style >would seem to be unlikely terrain for these women, but all the more reason >they should have at it. one measure of how good songs are is how many can >sing them truthfully, or how many ways thay can sound truthful. or is that >two measures? > To be perfectly honest, I wasn't thinking experimentally or even trying to stretch. But I do agree with your premise, and think any of the above mentioned artists would provide an interesting view of Joni's work - -- esp. Nina. > i can't wait! more royalty pennies for joan! and an act of >genuine fandom, right there in the mercantile music industry. > Careful there, or we're likely to devolve into a copyright ethics discussion again, which I was intentionally trying to avoid! ;-D Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:59:50 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: What should Barb get next? And to that I would reply: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter-Mingus-Don Juan's Reckless Daughter-Mingus At 9:10 AM -0400 7/23/98, Susan McNamara wrote: >Barb said: >>I dont have anything between HOSL and TI. What does >>the list recommend as the next album/CD that I should get? > >HEJIRA-HEJIRA-HEJIRA-HEJIRA-HEJIRA-HEJIRA-HEJIRA-HEJIRA-HEJIRA-HEJIRA > >am I making myself clear? :-) > >Thanks for decloaking!! > > ____________________ > /____________________\ >||-------------------|| >|| Sue McNamara || >|| sem8@cornell.edu || >||___________________|| >|| O etch-a-sketch O || > \___________________/ > > > >"It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ____________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |__________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:44:20 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: Thank-you! (NJC) At 10:37 PM 7/22/98 EDT, you wrote: > >This Saturday marks the 11th legal anniversary for my wife Debbie and me. We >have been living together for 18 years, so it's 18 years if you're >freethinking enough to include the seven years we didn't need a piece of paper >from the City Hall. > Congratulations Brian & Debbie! A cyberspace toast to you both (*clink*). Today is our 4th anniversary (+10 years before), so we say 14. Plus it is my husband's, Fred, birthday! A little devilish planning on my part ;-) Heather ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:00:27 -0500 From: Mary Pitassi Subject: "Refuge of the roads" / In memoriam (Joni content in the eye of t he beholder) "But the thing that really got to me, Charlie, that I had not expected was--we had a rest period shortly after we landed, and I was standing on the surface looking up in the black sky at Mother Earth, planet Earth, which is four times as large as the moon as we look at it. . . beautiful color, the blues of the ocean, the white icecaps, clouds, and you could see the outlines of some of the continents--it was just an overwhelming sight. But the thing that struck me was, hey, that place is kinda small, it's fragile, it's not as infinite as we think it is when we're down there on the earth. And then, all of a sudden I thought, God, we have these people that are confronting each other politically and militarily all over the place. . . screwing up the environment, and what a shame it is that we're not taking care of the planet, the resources, and finding out about the environment. It was an emotional moment. I actually wept a little bit. Hadn't expected to do that." Rear Admiral Alan B. Shepard, Jr., USN (Ret.) Interview with Charlie Rose, July 20, 1994 1923-1998 Rest in peace. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:58:49 -0500 From: Melinda Everett Subject: Re: Fwd: to buy or not to buy? bootlegs, etc. I thought Don's point, not an analogy, was apt. Obviously, the difference bewtween buying a bootleg and robbing a bank is vast BUT the rationalization and self deceit behind it is the same. If we break a code to buy an illegally made cd, what else might we do to gain what we want? So criminals are not much different from the rest of us-they believe what they do is okay and those of us that don't have something wrong with us. I always get mad when i here the peopl around here moan about the amount of burglaries there are. They make no connection at all with the fact that they buy cheap vcr's, hi-fi's etc from local people! The burglars of course are scum- they are just clever to spot a good deal when they see one! colin np:Denise Moser - Bright Side Up - - --part0_900990645_boundary-- - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #268 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to - ------- Siquomb, isn't she? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:58:42 -0500 From: Melinda Everett Subject: Re: to buy or not to buy? bootlegs, etc. briano@interisland.net (Odlum, Brian) wrote at the end of his 19 Jul 1998 post: > In any case, I think this will be my sign-off on this thread. If it is > *not* a real concern of this community, then more words from me are > probably just annoying. If it *is* a concern of this community, then more > words from me are unnecessary. Either way, I'm outta here. Thanks for > reading. > > Brian I for one want to thank Brian for his posting on this issue. Maybe I have a more keen interest then some when it comes to this topic in general as I have these kinds of discussions almost everyday with my *clients*. I am a probation officer in L.A. and I deal with locked up kids/gangsters who've done it all. With absolutely no offense meant to anyone here, I will say that this list discussion sounds much like the ones I have with my kids... they sometimes struggle with it but in the end always justify what they do because, bottom-line, their crimes allow them to have what they want. Doesn't matter to most of them if they hurt other people physically, monetarily or emotionally through their criminal and often terroristic behaviors because they are experts at rationalization. I try to bring the feeling of their victims to them... if you ask them how they would feel if someone victimized a member of their family in the same way they victimized a stranger you see a completely different (though short-lived) attitude. Suddenly he relates; for a moment he cares. Sometimes, if a kid is locked up for property crimes and he is especially thick-headed, I will go over to his locker and (temporarily) take what little personal property he has. This may be nothing more than a couple of magazines, some letters and a few photos of family or girlfriend. It really does a number on him, but, unfortunately, I doubt if it brings about much longterm change in his refusal to empathize with the rest of humanity. It doesn't help that these kids have grown up in a society that has told them since birth that they are the victims, that they are *entitled* and that they are not really responsible for their personal behavior. But that's another story. BTW, most of these kids are not sociopaths in the strict sense of the word, but it is amazing how disconnected they are emotionally from the pain and suffering they cause to individuals, families (even their own) and communities. Thanks, Brian and all who have contributed to a most interesting and enjoyable thread. Don - - --part0_900968144_boundary-- - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:57:37 +0100 From: Rob Jordan Subject: Re: The Unfiltered Joni Mitchell - Part 2 (Mojo 8/98) At 19:00 19/07/98 -0400, Marsha wrote: >August Mojo is not on the shelves here yet, and with this >fine stuff, I know I'm running out to spend the $7.95 for >the rag with it's many pictures, too! Marsha and everyone, Please *do* go out and buy this Mojo if you have the opportunity. I'd hate the magazine to suffer because I posted this - especially in the climate of copyright-conscience on the list at present. And the photos are worth the cover price. More episodes coming soon! Rob - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:12:42 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Spam from eBay web site I agree- It sounds like another mailbot. Don wrote in reply to Mr. OLGA: >>I don't know about anyone else, but I could >>really do without this spam. >> >Me too, though I can't tell if it's an individual forwarding eBay stuff, >or direct spam. Either way, it is starting to become annoying. > >D Rowe >> > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com NP-jardĚn linea ? (Jungle Line) ____________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |__________________________________| - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:25:05 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Spam from eBay web site Although it did have Joni content. ;-) >I agree- It sounds like another mailbot. > >Don wrote in reply to Mr. OLGA: >>>I don't know about anyone else, but I could >>>really do without this spam. >>> >>Me too, though I can't tell if it's an individual forwarding eBay stuff, >>or direct spam. Either way, it is starting to become annoying. >> >>D Rowe ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:52:00 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Fwd: to buy or not to buy? bootlegs, etc. I thought Don's point, not an analogy, was apt. Obviously, the difference bewtween buying a bootleg and robbing a bank is vast BUT the rationalization and self deceit behind it is the same. If we break a code to buy an illegally made cd, what else might we do to gain what we want? So criminals are not much different from the rest of us-they believe what they do is okay and those of us that don't have something wrong with us. I always get mad when i here the peopl around here moan about the amount of burglaries there are. They make no connection at all with the fact that they buy cheap vcr's, hi-fi's etc from local people! The burglars of course are scum-they are just clever to spot a good deal when they see one! colin np:Denise Moser - Bright Side Up - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:51:56 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: The Unfiltered Joni Mitchell - Part 2 (Mojo 8/98) I second that. the aricle is excellent with many good photo's. I had never heard of the mag befopre Rob brought it to our attention-picked it up at Sainsbury's. I particlulary liked what she had to say about poetry and modern lyrics. She mentions a line to a song, 'everyone is gay' and says it isn't good writing, just a statement.(I would add that it is also, unfortunately, untrue). It is from ALL APOLOGIES by Kurt Cobain whcih I have sung by Sinead O'Conner on her Universal Mother cd. The music and her voice make it lovely but can't say the lric mean much to me. Joni had some excellent points to make about her lyrics and how annoyed she gets about people getting so into what they mean. Joni says the meaning changes for her as life goes on. People, she says(tho not in these words), should just take their own meaning and interpreatation and not faff about whether or not Joni meant this or that. Joni thinks these indvidual interpretations are valid. Unless what i am readin is science or such, I don't bother to read very far into something if the meaning is obtuse. Always annoyed me in school being TOLD what a piece meant instead of leaving me with my own views. certainly spoiled it for me. I also loved her explanation of her music and singing style, that her work is not really for singing, her songs beoing more talk style. That is exactly how I see her later stuff-and prefer her later stuff. When I listen to Joni, it's like she is talking to me, sharing her thoughts and opinions. She is not singing to me but educating me as to her world view. She always make me think. I listen to her daily, like most of my reading is non-fiction. Howver, I also love other's who do sing and love to read fiction-especially when I need a break from serious stuff. The idea of her doing a standards album is exciting. colin Rob Jordan wrote: > At 19:00 19/07/98 -0400, Marsha wrote: > >August Mojo is not on the shelves here yet, and with this > >fine stuff, I know I'm running out to spend the $7.95 for > >the rag with it's many pictures, too! > > Marsha and everyone, > > Please *do* go out and buy this Mojo if you have the opportunity. I'd hate > the magazine to suffer because I posted this - especially in the climate of > copyright-conscience on the list at present. And the photos are worth the > cover price. > > More episodes coming soon! > > Rob - - -- Living is the process whereby we create the structures we call meaning. http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk Carly Simon Discussion List http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:58:04 EDT From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: Re: Spam from eBay web site I find it kind a ironic in lieu of all this bootleg/tape tree discussion.... like that mingus reel to reel (wasn't that what was posted first?)- where the heck did it come from? i suspect that it's direct eBay spam- under some kind of word recognition command. I don't like it either- although i'm interested in eBay personally. I've visited the web site and understand that they do have an 'open communication' policy- in that they make email addresses of buyers and sellers available during the course of an auction (5-7 days from the posting of the item by the bidder)- but this sounds like we are on some kind of pre-alert list. Who put us there? doug - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #267 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to - ------- Siquomb, isn't she? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:01:55 EDT From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: what should barb get next buy them all- buy a multi-disc cd player- put them all in- hit random select- and kick back for awhile. doug ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:24:10 EDT From: JAN201@aol.com Subject: Joni on PBS--1968 Hi! I'm new on the list and very happy to be here! I'm a major Joni fan. This is my problem-- Back in 1968 or so I went to my first Joni concert at Southern Illinois University. She was the opening (!) act for Arlo Guthrie (who was delightful!). The whole show was taped for PBS and shown, I do believe, nationwide. It was a beautiful concert, Clouds had just been released. She wore a long green velvet dress and had a tiger lily on her guitar. I have a bootleg record of the show, but I would SO love to have a copy of that video tape. It must exist somewhere, can anyone help me? Oh, my name is Jan, I live outside of NYC, and I listen to WFUV. I've never been on a discussion list before, this was the only one I've had any interest in! Hope to hear from you soon! Jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:52:40 -0400 From: elaine bean Subject: The "Fashionable" Ms. Sara Lee In a message dated 7/22/98 1:02:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Kfries@cyberramp.net writes: << Sara Lee? Is this the same lady who played bass with Robert Fripp in the >I believe she played with Gang of Four and the B-52's also, if my >memory is correct.----------- She is a very talented musician who also has played bass for the Indigo Girls and Ani DiFranco. Elaine Elaine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:50:01 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: The "Fashionable Ms. Sara Lee It seems that, where the jmdl is concerned, "Nobody doesn't like Sara Lee." So Rowe, you ask, is there anything you won't do for a bad joke? Apparently not! Don Rowe ;-D ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:37:20 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: 2nd Fret Philly Tape question? I recently recieved a copy of tape tree #1which is from the above venue and is dated 3/17/67. It begins with Brandy Eyes and runs through Night In The City. Years ago I recieved a tape from this venue dated10/11/67 that includes all the songs on TT#1 BUT, they are preceeded by Little Green, Marcie, London Bridge, ect., through I Don't Know Wherte I Stand. I have seen this part on the website listed as 10/12/67. Here's the thing though. On my original tape IDNWIS flows smoothly right into Brandy Eyes. That is to say the song ends, people clap and she starts Brandy Eyes. No splice or change in quality. My point is that this is obviously all ONE SHOW starting with Little Green and running right through NITC. So is it 10/11, 10/12 or 3/17 (which I doubt)? Simon? Anyone? gdave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:45:20 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Thank you, Rob Jordan!! I think I want a bumper sticker or a tshirt that says "hip is a herd mentality." She's said it so many times but I still love it!!! :-) Thanks again Rob!! Loved the scanner scats!! :-) ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:11:51 +0100 From: Rob Jordan Subject: The Unfiltered Joni Mitchell - Part 8 (Mojo 8/98) > Another aspect in which you're sort of an uncelebrated pioneer is > that in the early '70s it seemed like your private life was the > subject of some discussion - but it's nothing compared to what's > happening now to people selling 10 million copies of each album. > We're so familiar with every aspect of their lives through the > media, it's as if they've given over their privacy as part of the > deal. It's become like movie stars. I wrote a poem when I was 16. Having written this poem, why am I in this business? But we had to write a poem, right? It was supposed to be blank verse. So I was getting my hair done for some kind of prom deal, because that's the only time we'd go to the beauty parlour in those days. And I was sitting under the dryer, and they had stacks of movie star magazines. The reigning deities, the teenage idols at that time, were Sandra Dee and Bobby Darin, who were newly married. So the tabloids were full of the misadventures of their marriage. And I just felt so bad for them. And I remember thinking to myself, If somebody wrote this about me in the school paper, I would just die. So that's what triggered this poem that had to be turned in for assignment. It was celled The Fishbowl: The Fishbowl is a world reversed Where fishermen with hooks That dangle from the bottom up Reel down their catch without a fight Pike, pickerel bass, the common fish Ogle through distorting glass See only glitter, glamour, gaiety Fog up the bowl with lusty breath Lunge towards the bait and miss And weep for fortunes lost Envy the goldfish? Why? His bubbles breaking 'round the rim While silly fishes faint for him And say, "Look there! I think he winked his eye at me." How could you end up in show business with that insight, you know? Because I knew it was a trade-off. Blessedly, when I entered into it, there was this brief time when it was viewed as collaborative - because our generation was all in it together - and you were even given the luxury of correcting an interview such as this. I did an interview with Cameron Crowe and he was allowed - it was before it was them and us, the critic and the artist. I forget what's it's called - a blowjob, isn't it! - when you write a nice thing about an artist or something. It didn't used to be like that. And people were allowed to write about an artist that they liked, and say nice things. Anyway, Cameron came back with the piece, and I read it over and I said, Oh gee, I didn't really explain this very well - I missed a part, and put in this and this and this. And he said, "Well, Joni, you said that, but I took it out." I said, OK, don't edit me internally - you have to pick your favourite paragraph, because if you take it out in the middle, it's not going to make any sense, because it's such a convoluted thing. So anyway, he was still living at home at the time. And he'd written a piece about Neil Young, who he adored, and he read it to his mother, whose opinion he valued. And his mother said, "Cameron - - why would you write a thing like this? You love Neil Young." And he realised then that peer-group pressure among writers had caused him to put in some, I don't know, cynical or snotty things about this artist who he simply adored. That's when it began to shift. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:13:48 +0100 From: Rob Jordan Subject: The Unfiltered Joni Mitchell - Part 9 (Mojo 8/98) > Do you think the new artists who sell 10 million records have > their own sense of community in the us versus them sense, or is it > a different scenario altogether? No - this generation seems to be the most celebrity-loving, celebrity-hating generation that ever lived. And nobody wants to do the mundane job. In my parents' generation, you got a job and you kept it. My father wanted to be a lawyer, but he was a grocery clerk and then the store manager. You got a job no matter what your dream job was. That was your dream job. Then my generation, which was a more affluent generation - no war to deal with, no Great Depression to deal with - saw through and became very critical of the powers that be. I don't know whether that's good or bad - like certainly the dope wars of Vietnam, the transparency of that, did not deserve the thwarting of the boys coming home. I used to play in Fort Bragg to soldiers, like Bob Hope. I figured I don't care whether it's on unjust war or not, soldiers need singers. So I disagreed with my own generation. I wasn't really of my own generation either. I wasn't an anarchist, i wasn't a nihilist - I never really could find my politics. The only thing from the hippy thing that I believed in, that I saw evidence of, the only positive thing that I carry on to this day, is the Rainbow Coalition. There we were, white middle-class kids, but we were treated like a grungy minority, and we got a taste of prejudice, which I thought was very healthy and should give us the empathy for all peoples, an insight that no other generation had. The other generations were very apartheid; my parents tried to teach me their ways, which were too narrow for me. Anything different was feared. To me, anything different was compelling and something to explore. > On that level, how was it for you upon being reacquainted with > your daughter Kilauren - has she turned out be way you thought a > young woman of her generation might? Her adoptive parents are very like my parents, so her rebellion - I think, and I'm just getting to know her, it's only been a year - is quite similar to my own. I was difficult to raise in my teens, and she was too. Both of us wanted to stretch out and see the world. She took off at 14 with her brother as a chaperone, and modelled quite extensively, 'til 27, all around the world. And she's going through a second rebellion as we speak, you know against me, trying to shock me. Well it's harder to shock me than it was the kids, because they're more like my parents, you know? I loved the experience, everything, with the difficulty and all. We'll be fine. But it's on odd situation and there's much that has to be worked through. So I'm going on Saturday to see her. We had a bit of an awkward encounter, and then we had a beautiful encounter, so we're going through everything intensely in a short space of time. But yeah, there are a lot of things. Surprisingly, there's less of a gap than there was between my mother and I. My mother thinks I'm immoral. I've searched diligently for a morality that applied to the times that I lived in. I keep saying to my mother, Think of me as a Catholic priest that drinks a little with the dock workers (laughs). I just don't want to get that clean. > Did she hear Facelift? Yeah. > What did she think? I think she's getting used to it. I keep saying, It's not our song, Mum, any more, this is so many people's story. This is a story of mothers and daughters; I can say now that I have my own back. There are bad Christmases from time to time. There's a big moral breach. Before I was separated from my husband, my mother introduced us to the man who later became my boyfriend. But the divorce had not come through; as far as she was concerned I was living in sin, flaunting my Hollywood ways in their faces, in their town. Humiliating them. I said, Who am I humiliating you in front of! Your generation is all dead. There are no witnesses as far as I can see (laughs). My generation is not as intolerant of this. So that's a generation gap song. The funny part of it is, that she's 86 and I'm 55, or 50, when the song occurred. > One of the things that's marvellous to watch was Larry playing on > stage with you even now. He begged me, "Joan, Joan, I'm jealous. You've got to take me on this tour. Who's playing bass?" I said, The seat is open, I'm not cheating on you. I played the bass myself on this last record, but he came in and played the parts that I'd written because sonically the keyboard that I was using wasn't quite right for a couple of songs. He played the bass part that I'd already transcribed. I was really tight on this record that it be my composition all the way down the line. Klein and I always had a broad ability to relate. Great discussions - that never went away. Playing music - that never went away. I said to Donald - Donald's my boyfriend - It's not like Klein and I are out of each other's life, we're just out of each other's hair (laughs warmly). He said, "Write that down, that's another song." > Is it an odd thing for you - the boyfriend, the husband, and then > even Graham giving you that award the other night? They're all wonderful men, though. Graham is a sweetheart - and we didn't part with any animosity. A lot of pain - there's always pain in pulling apart. Graham needed a more traditional female. He loved me dearly, and you can see there's still a fondness and everything, but he wanted a stay-at-home wife to raise his children. And I said that I could - a rash promise I made in my youth - and then realised I couldn't. So it all worked out. THE CONVERSATION WINDS down, and a surprisingly cool summer breeze blows, whisking lingering cigarette smoke up into the pure and oxygen-rich air of luxurious Brentwood. By any standard, this is good. And this encounter with the woman who penned Ladies Of The Canyon is also good, a sigificant step up from our first -- which took place in a Los Angeles theatre in 1991 and remains a conspicuous exhibit in my own Hall of Shame. Picture this: six-foot-four writer, watching Sting's Soul Cages tour, crammed into a seat with his knees pressed hard up against the seat in front of him. Writer shifts in discomfort, unavoidably tugging hard at the hair of the woman sitting directly in front of him. Said woman turns around and fixes the innocent but inescapably tall hair-puller behind her with a glare as cold as a Saskatoon winter. "I gave you a look that would curl you!" Mitchell grins. She didn't think it was so funny seven years ago. We descend the staircase leading down from the restaurant and enter a courtyard filled with luxury stores, designer fashion shops, and Brentwood car jockeys who bring very expensive cars in like matadors. And in this paved paradise, can you guess where they keep them? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:00:05 +0000 From: michael paz Subject: I'll Be Missing You Hello Everyone- Just a not to say, see ya later. I will be in Honduras till August 2, visiting my dad. He has started his treatments and is feeling ok. I talked to him yesterday and he sounded wonderful and excited that I was coming. We will go the the island of Roatan and go fishing and drinking. I was able to check my email on my aol account when I was down last Christmas, but I don't know if I will be successful on my worldnet account. Hope you all keep well and that this thread with the tape thing is over when I get back. Hasta luego! Con sentimiento, Miguel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:55:59 +0200 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: New Joni CD Sept. 15 "Kyle Eastwood, the bass playing son of Clint, makes his Columbia debut September 15 with 'From There To Here'. Produced by Larry Klein, the quartet outing features vocals by Joni Mitchell on Marvin Gaye's 'Trouble Man'." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:16:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue Subject: list update (NJC) Our numbers are steadily growing. Thanks again to all those listed below who have taken the two minutes to e-mail Oprah (www.oprah.com). 1. Me - Suze 2. Kenny 3. Chilihead 4. Don Rowe 5. Phyliss - no response 6. Pearl 7. Terry - six responses! 8. Lesley Watson in Cape Town 9. Doug 10. Kate 11. Mendi 12. Bev - two responses! 13. Jody 14. Peggy 15. Marian 16. Anne Madden - bunch of responses 17. Cul 18. Amy from Michigan 19. Ric 20. Craig Harris 21. Medric Faulkner 22. Maggie 23. Roberto 24. Katie from the Cape 25. Mike (terstan) 26. Michael Paz 27. Howard Motyl 28. Kai 29. Heather 30. Jim L'Hommedieu 31. Leslie Mixon 32. Karen Mc 33. Colin 34. Michael Yarbrough 35. 36. 37. 38. 39. 40. These extra numbers are waiting for your names! 41. 42. 43. 44. 45. 46. 47. 48. 49. 50. 51. 52. 53. 54. 55. 56. Sue Cameron (Suze) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:21:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - July 24 1983: Joni performs at Jones Beach in Wantaugh, NY - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:26:02 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: RE: Joni Tribute Album & Possitilities > i can't wait! more royalty pennies for joan! and an act of >genuine fandom, right there in the mercantile music industry. > Careful there, i was talking about janet jackson's long and vocal support of joni. official tribute albums like the upcoming joni tribute don't just happen. i seriously doubt that some record exec said, 'hey let's do a joni album'. after all, if her own albums don't sell, why should a tribute? i suspect that janet and others with a long and deep respect for joni pushed it along. janet, and the glyph, have enough power to at least partially make these things happen. and they hope to turn their audiences on to joni, because they're fans. wouldn't it be cool if janet's version of black wings was a hit, and sales of chalkmark went up? patrick my tape - 'cocteau collection' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:44:57 -0700 From: Mark or Travis Subject: NJC - Van Morrison set list Does anybody happen to know or know where to find Van Morrison's setlist for his 5/16 concert at the Gorge? A friend is exploring Van's music after seeing that concert and would like to know what all he performed that night. Thanks! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:31:13 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Barangrill/Working Class Don Rowe writes in reply to Diane >Diana writes, > >>I think at this time in her life she was overwhelmed by her talents >>obligations. So she could be envious of someone not in the public >>eye of scrutininy. > >I'll buy that, your comments reminded me of "Free Man in Paris" where >Joni quite plainly yearns back to a less complex time, when she could >do more or less as she pleased, feeling "unfettered and alive" as a >kind of simplicity, instead of having to tend to her then new-found >fame and its attendant obligations. >__________________________________________________________________________ in 1994 Joni was interviewed by Barney Hoskyns, here's one question and Joni's answer. BH: David Geffen said you were the only artist he'd ever worked with who wanted to be ordinary. Does that seem a little disingenous now? JM: In New York strangers used to holler at me across the street like someone in your class at school, like "Hey Joni, when you gonna do a concert?!" That's extraordinary, but it's ordinary. They didn't suck in their breath when they saw me. In the folk clubs you could finish a set and go down and have a drink with people and maybe even go listen to music at their houses. That's the kind of ordinary i'm talking about: you haven't lost your access to life. Once you're trapped in your hotel room, it's all over. MOJO Magazine ~ December 1994 Joni told an interesting story about "Barangrill" before performing the song in Ambler, Pa. 1974. you'll all have a chance to hear it, and other stories soon. this concert is included on TapeTree #7. - ------- simon - ------- "Never doubt that a small group of committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:52:26 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: apologies From: Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:46:53 EDT Hi Barb and welcome to the list. My recommendation would be to purchase Blue. (this is my favorite joni recording and will probably always stay that way) Another great selection would be For the Roses. If you want to approach joni in a chronological order you won't be disappointed either, just purchase her first recording and move on from there. Enjoy......Laurie from Atlanta ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:57:56 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: SJC: Sue McN, WallyB, good Sams Just a hello as we head toward the Day in the Garden, and a happy observation of the recurrence of good samaritanism on this list (in spite of the sometimes heated exchanges) -- when anyone gives a shout out for help or clues of any kind, there are always many responses from various members (including Sue -- thanks!). I've experienced this good vibe, too, and it makes being a jmdler something special indeed. When I imagine meeting some of you folks in NY, I get all squishy inside... (Uh-oh... Too much information???) But for real, it's a good spirit, inspired by Joni, midwifed by Wally (HI, WALLY!!!), and guided by Les, then passed from person to person. Sometimes a joyful feeling defies elegant articulation -- just wanted to say thanks. Love and strength and energy to Wally! Kate in Colorado (blissed out on the 64-degree temp...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:59:53 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Re: TapeTree #7 Spread the Music ~ Share the Joy! TapeTree #7 ___________ Friends, this is the largest offering yet, with close to 7-hours of music spread over 5-Cassettes (3-DATs) for your listening pleasure. this time around we've decided on a 2-step sign-up process to ease some of the organizational problems we encountered last time around. BranchLeader sign-ups are in progress @ URL: http://www.jmdl.com/tape/ Branch sign-ups will close this sunday (7-26-98). Leaf Sign-Ups will begin on sunday (7-26-98) and the Tree will be open for a 1-week period, until sunday aug. 2, 1998. (this may be extended). Spread the Music ~ Share the Joy! for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 01:00:41 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: JONI & Kyle Eastwood Jill Tamada wrote > >My Sister Barbara sent me this bit of news. > >"Oh, by the way. I read an interview with Kyle Eastwood (Clint's son) >who is a jazz pianist. His debut album is coming out soon. It was >produced by Larry Klein and Joni sings on it too." > the following was posted earlier this week to the Joni Mitchell Hompage. URL: http://www.jonimitchell.com/jonihome.html#Upcoming - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "TROUBLE MAN" RECORDED WITH EASTWOOD - (7/21/98) Scheduled for release on Columbia Records is the debut album from bass-player Kyle Eastwood, son of Clint. Entitled "From There to Here", the album is due in stores on September 15th and features guest vocals by Julia Fordham, Diana King, Joni Mitchell ("Trouble Man") and others. The record was produced by Larry Klein. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- additional information will eventually be available from ... COLUMBIA JAZZ 'Online' URL: http://www.sonymusic.com/labels/columbia/Jazz/artists.html for now, the Kyle Eastwood 'link' is not active although his name is listed. - ------- simon - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 01:01:22 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: JONI & the Chieftains also from the Joni Mitchell Hompage. URL: http://www.jonimitchell.com/jonihome.html#Upcoming - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- JONI RECORDS SONG WITH CHIEFTAINS - (7/6/98) Two Saturdays ago, Joni recorded a new version of her song "The Magdalene Laundries" with The Chieftains. Many of you may recall that Joni performed a live version of the song with the Irish group at the Aionoshi Festival in Nara, Japan back in May of 1994. This new recording of the song will be appearing on the album, "Tears of Stone," due out by the end of the year on BMG. The album is a collection of songs recorded by The Chieftains with female artists such as Sinead O'Connor, Sheryl Crow, Joan Osborne, The Corrs, etc. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- the Nara, Japan 1994 performance is available to JMDL members as part of TapeTree #6 (in stereo), and also VideoTapeTree, vol 1. there's also this from the Chieftains Homepage ... URL: http://www.escape.ca/~skinner/chieftains/doing.html July 13, 1998: Never having been a band known to let the grass grow under their feet, the globetrotting Chieftains have revealed that they have no fewer than three album projects nearing completion. The first will be "Tears Of Stone" which, following the incredible success they've achieved with collaboration albums in recent years will feature guest appearances by Joni Mitchell, Sinead O'Connor and The Corrs among others. Though still nearly six months away The Chieftains have the Christmas market well in hand with the release of "Christmas From The Vatican" scheduled for Yuletide. The album is set to feature the Papal choir on a selection of Christmas hymns and songs, all of which will be backed by the finest Irish traditional music. As if breaking down the boundaries of various musical styles and genres were not enough, the group has also decided to release a new album of pure, traditional Irish music. While collaborations and partnerships may well bring new fans into the fold, The Chieftains quite rightly have made the point that their incredible success has been built upon their unrivalled ability to make Irish traditional music of the highest calibre and with that in mind they will be releasing a long overdue album of back-to-their-roots traditional music shortly. With a working title of "The Chieftains In Ireland" this particular album is sure to please the purists. One thing is for certain, The Chieftains most certainly deserve every credit for the way in which they have taken Irish traditional music to new heights and into realms no other act could possibly have done. Still, it's good to know that they haven't forgotten the style that made them what they are - Ireland's most successful traditional music group ever, bar none. Release dates and details will follow in due course. ___________________________________________________________________________ - ------- simon - ------- PS. two letters from children. DEAR GOD, thank-you for the baby brother, but what i asked you for was a puppy. (from a 7-yr.old) DEAR GOD, i'm doing the best i can! (from a 6-yr.old) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 01:00:00 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: TapeTree #7 (Contents) - ------------------- Cassette #1 ~ C90 - ------------------- JONI MITCHELL The Gorge Amphitheatre ~ George, Wa. ~ may 16, 1998 1. Night Ride Home 2. The Crazy Cries Of Love 3. Harry's House 4. Slouching Towards Bethlehem 5. Just Like This Train 6. Black Crow 7. Amelia 8. Hejira 9. Big Yellow Taxi 10. Facelift 11. Sex Kills 12. The Magdalene Laundries 13. Moon At The Window 14. Woodstock BOB DYLAN 15. I Shall Be Released (w/Joni & Van, vocals) - ------------------- Cassette #2 ~ C90 - ------------------- JONI MITCHELL Pauley Pavilion @ U.C.L.A. ~ Los Angeles, Ca. ~ may 22, 1998 1. Night Ride Home 2. The Crazy Cries of Love 3. Harry's House 4. Slouching Towards Bethlehem 5. Just Like This Train 6. Black Crow 7. Amelia 8. Hejira 9. Big Yellow Taxi 10. Facelift 11. Sex Kills 12. The Magdalene Laundries 13. Moon at the Window 14. Woodstock General Motor Place ~ Vancover, B.C. ~ may 14, 1998 15. Refuge Of The Roads * (see note below) 16. Big Yellow Taxi - ------------------- Cassette #3 ~ C90 - ------------------- JONI MITCHELL Temple University Music Festival Ambler, Pa. ~ aug. 22, 1974 1. Free Man In Paris 2. You Turn Me On I'm A Radio 3. Big Yellow Taxi 4. Same Situation 5. Barangrill 6. Rainy Night House 7. Woodstock 8. This Flight Tonight 9. People's Parties 10. All I Want 11. Woman Of Heart And Mind 12. A Case Of You 13. Cold Blue Steel And Sweet Fire 14. Blue 15. For Free 16. Carey 17. Down To You 18. Trouble Child 19. Help Me - ------------------- Cassette #4 ~ C60 - ------------------- JONI MITCHELL Temple University Music Festival Ambler, Pa. ~ aug. 22, 1974 Conclusion: 20. Jericho 21. Love Or Money 22. Both Sides, Now 23. The Last Time I Saw Richard 24. Twisted No Nukes ~ Anti-Nuclear Rally ~ Washington, DC ~ may 6, 1979 1. The Circle Game 2. Big Yellow Taxi 3. God Must Be A Boogie Man 4. Woodstock - -------------------- Cassette #5 ~ C100 - -------------------- JONI MITCHELL from: "Taming The Tiger" 1. Harlem In Havana 2. Man From Mars 3. Taming The Tiger 4. The Crazy Cries Of Love 5. My Best To You MORNING BECOMES ECLECTIC ~ KCRW-FM ** (see note below) Interview + Music ~ "Taming The Tiger" Santa Monica, Ca. ~ (Broadcast) march 27, 1998 6. Harlem In Havana 7. Man From Mars 8. Taming The Tiger 9. The Crazy Cries Of Love 10. My Best To You Excerpt from: MORNING BECOMES ECLECTIC ~ KCRW-FM w/Larry Klein & Allison Anders ~ sept. 1996 11. RE: "Man From Mars" _____________________________ * "Refuge Of The Roads" was only performed once during this Tour. it's the only song performed once. that's why it's included. as for BYT ~ there was room. these 2-songs were the 'encore' at the Vancover concert. ** a newer, slightly better DAT-recording was used for this program. it's a different 'source' than the currently circulating copies. there are also 1-or-2 *Bonus* additions that i haven't listed, and won't divulge. i likes my surprises :-) - ------- simon - ------- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #274 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?