From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #268 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, July 21 1998 Volume 03 : Number 268 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- The Unfiltered Joni Mitchell - Part 4 (Mojo 8/98) [Rob Jordan ] Moraltiy, teen ethics and where it belongs: NJC [Mary Grace Valentinsson ] Pamela Polland - Heart Of The World ["Peter Holmstedt" ] RE: Bootlegs vs. Trees ["Hollander, Frank" ] re: EBAY [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Re: EBAY [catman ] Re: eBay auctions [Heather ] Re: The Unfiltered Joni Mitchell - Part 2 (Mojo 8/98) ["Deb Messling" ] (NJC) auction forwards [Michael Yarbrough ] Conscience (NJC) [simon@icu.com] Oprah List [Michael Paz ] re: EBAYia virus ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Oprah 7-20 update [Sue ] Re: EBAY [Marsha ] Joni copping and booting [Marsha ] RE: NJC-- omnivores [trxschwa ] apology [Don Sloan ] NJC / Carly List [Don Sloan ] Re: Interesting items. [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Asking Joni [IVPAUL42@aol.com] ERIC JOHNSON LIST (NJC) [Bounced Message ] RE: Spam from eBay web site [Bounced Message ] Fwd: to buy or not to buy? bootlegs, etc. [ORLTed@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:20:49 +0100 From: Rob Jordan Subject: The Unfiltered Joni Mitchell - Part 4 (Mojo 8/98) > How did you enjoy the Walden Woods benefit? Oh, I loved it. I thought it was a beautiful night. People were talking about it for days afterwards. Weeks, of course, doesn't happen in this town. Maybe even weeks - weeks later I was still talking about it. I've played with a big orchestra before, but never so comfortably. Maybe because I'm more comfortable - maybe because always I had to sing and play and play with them with very little rehearsal. This time I just had to stand up and sing, so I was liberated from having to plunk. And I loved the arrangement - I sang Stormy Weather with 60 pieces. The most beautiful arrangement we could find of it. Frank Sinatra had recorded it several times, but this one - I forget the arranger's name, but we just copped it- you couldn't beat it, it was so gorgeous. And to feel all those strings come rising up around you, you know! When I got to the hall that day, it was the first day that we went to our dressing room, and we'd been rehearsing with a bit of the orchestra, the central kind of little jazz group that was the centrepiece of the orchestra. It was the first time I'd gone to my dressing room, and there was a guy taking me up the stairs to my dressing room, and I was kind of huffing at the second landing and I said, Why would you put the oldest one on the third floor and the young ones all down on the stage? It should be the other way around. So I put all my stuff down and came back down to rehearsal, and I played with this big orchestra - I went back up to my dressing room, we started to do make-up, and when I looked at my face I was glowing - and I realised I came up those three flights of stairs two at a time ofter playing with that orches- tra. That's how incredible it was. So I have to do that again. Tonight I'm going to record with Herbie Hancock, he's doing an album of Gershwin tunes. Stevie Wonder's going to be there too. I've got a choice of three songs. I think with Frank Sinatra's death and all, there's a resurgence of interest in that era. Of eras of music, I would say I'm a swing era baby. I love the swing beat. Even though my music doesn't reflect all the kinds of music that I love, it eventually will. > After watching you do Marvin Gayes's Trouble Man on Saturday > night, it struck me as odd that you've never recorded a complete > album of cover songs. I've never been able to. By contract. It was disallowed. > Would you like to do one? I'm going to do one. I'd love to. > What you brought to that song was fabulous. Oh, I love that song. I've played that song over and over - I'd only do the ones that I play over and over and over. I own them in a certain way because of my love of them. I love that song. I sang that at the Stormy Weather concert also. > That was quite a group - how did you all relate to each other? We didn't really - aside from the duet that I did, there wasn't that much co-mingling. People came - they kind of kept us apartheid in case the fur would fly, I don't know. I saw Stevie [Nicks] because she was before me, and Bjork and I worked together. I love Bjork. No, I think we were all a little out of our idiom - it was hard work, everybody was a little nervous, it was just beautiful. We're going to do it again in Son Francisco in September, taping it there. > At the show with Dylan and Van, you all played so very well that I > wondered if you felt you all rose to the occasion due to the > company? I've seen Van play many, many times, yet when he played > Moondance, it was as if I'd never heard it before. I think we all did kick each other up. Bobby - I don't want to be indiscreet to Bobby, but it's beautiful what he said. I don't want to be a tattletale here. > We con go off the record, if you'd like... Well it's for his sake - and it's kind of a brag on my part. I treasure it, but it's not something I really can say publicly, I don't think - just as a person... [off the record stuff follows]... So anyway he greeted me after the show in Vancouver, he went on last that night, and it was a difficult show for me because I'm not used to playing big sports arenas, and there was a lot of milling, a lot of going for beer, and a lot of talking really loud through all of the shows. It seemed to be that that crowd had come for the beer and the event itself - not to listen, just to be at it, you know! And I thought that was a shame. And you have three people that are really listened-to artists, it's OK if there's no lyrical text or something, but I assumed that this was gonna be a writers' tour, so I picked a set for Bobby. And I think he did for me, too - because he put in one of the best line-ups of songs that I've seen him do for a long time. All of that you can quote me on. But when he came off-stage, he was there to greet me, and it takes a moment to kind of recover - and I wasn't sure if it was a good experience. I thought we played well in spite of it, but that we weren't properly listened to. It was the first one, you know. Then I realised it was just the nature of the crowd. But Bobby was standing and he was very excited, and he said, (affecting Dylan's voice) "Oh those chords, those chords - you've got to show me some of those chords. I love those chords that you play. We're gonna sound like an old hillbilly band when we go on." I don't know whether that's indiscreet or not - what do you think! - I'm so sensitive to it. I said, Bobby you don't want to learn these chords. First of all you have to learn tunings, and tunings are a pain in the butt. And you won't have nearly the fun that you're having now with your music. > When I saw him it was almost as if he was taking songs that he > hadn't written and making them his own, in a strange way. Um-hum, um-hum - that's what I'm doing. Bobby and I played in Tokyo a few years back, three or four I guess, and he called me up just before we went over and he said, "I forgot how to sing - but I remember now, I remember now. The trouble is they want me to do all those Bob Dylan songs - and they're so heavy." And that's exactly what I feel about my material. It's like Meryl Streep at a certain point decided to do comedy. I've done drama, he's done drama; we've done it very well. But we both have a sense of humour. His perhaps is more apparent in his writing than mine is. It's in there, here and there, there's a little bit of comic relief - you know, "Drink up now, it's getting on time to close." But people don't even seem to notice, they're so stunned by the drama of it all, you know? And I started doing these cover songs with my hands free, like I say - - the liberty in it is just exciting, you know! I'd like to make a whole show out of Gershwin. The songs that I write, you see, they're not really so much for singing - they're more dramatic. Like Bob's work, the prettiness of the singer, in the later work especially, is not the point - the point is to bring the words to life like a Shakespearean soliloquy. If you have to talk 'em, whatever it takes, you know! Whereas these old songs don't have a lot of words and there's plenty of time to ride the note and float, and they're real singerly material , and I don't write stuff like that. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:22:28 -0500 From: Mary Pitassi Subject: Asking Joni Although Brian Odlum's's idea is very interesting, I agree with Kenny Grant. and David: by actually coming out and asking Joni point blank whether she supports our "tape treeing" efforts, we may gain peace of mind, but quite possibly, stand to lose all future tape trees. IMHO, it will be much, much easier for Joni to say "no" than "yes." Certainly, she has high standards for her performances, and this may well influence her answer. But if her record company got wind of our request, how likely do you think it would be that it would tell her, "Yes, go ahead. Go on record ,THROUGH THE INTERNET, and tell them to just continue producing these tapes, and set a precedent that might even wind up affecting how we wind up dealing with our other artists in some way" ? *We* are making all sorts of fine distinctions between tape-treeing and bootlegging. Joni, and/or her company, may not be. I realize that this is really the entire point of the inquiry: Joni's take on this may differ from ours. And perhaps setting our ethical worries to rest will be worth the effects of a negative answer, for some. All I'm saying is: then be prepared for that negative answer. And I'm not at all sure from the posts that there's consensus on the list that we *are,* as a list, ready to accept the consequences. One last thought. Among other things, I read and write contracts for a living. When I first started out in my current profession, I wanted everything important affecting the parties involved to be specified clearly in black and white, within the "four corners of the agreement." After some years, however, I've learned something about the benefits of silence, which can yield creative space within which to work. Sometimes a "wink and a nod" is better than an outright prohibition, which may otherwise be necessary to save face, or for countless other reasons. In this case, I think it's quite possible that Joni is aware of our efforts, and has in fact given us her silent nod. She knows we were motivated enough to put together a whole cassette tape of our own renditions of her songs: what else might we do? And didn't she even say, either at one of the West Coast concerts or in a recent interview, that she knew that "Crazy Cries of Love" had already been passed around quite a bit as "Love's Cries?" Does she think that all of these copies are for-profit bootlegs? Has it perhaps occurred to her that some of them could indeed be fan tapes, exchanged "real good, for free," motivated by nothing but admiration for her and her music? Might she not have gotten some sense of the deep respect we have for her in the Internet community through her dealings with Wally, and her meetings with various list members at the tapings in Los Angeles in May? I would probably not take this position if either the ethical or legal dimensions of tape-treeing seemed cut-and-dried. But, based on what I know (which, I hasten to add, is itself limited entirely to what I've learned from this list), neither does. I vote for leaving well enough alone. Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:34:01 -0700 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: Moraltiy, teen ethics and where it belongs: NJC I noticed this on the most recent digest: >>Listen, people. There are other mailing lists to bitch about stuff that doesn't involve Joni. Go find them. In many ways, it DOES involve Joni. She has revealed herself to be a person of wide interests. Many of her songs have social commentary. I know that it has always been a bone of contention between purists who like more Joni Content and those who like the list as a watering hole for diverse conversations. Neither view point is wrong, but I would suspect that the best way to get more Joni stuff would be to not comment on that which you have no comment and add to the more Joni-oriented posts. peace, MG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:50:10 +0200 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Pamela Polland - Heart Of The World Hi there. This is a shameless plug for a new album I've just heard: Pamela Polland - Heart Of The World (Ivory Moon 6795) Pamela Polland is, as you may know, not a new recording artist. She has three former albums on Columbia and Epic to her credit, as well as being part of Joe Cocker's "Mad Dog & Englishmen" tour, album and movie. Over the course of her 30 years in the business, she has both performed and recorded with Jackson Browne, Van Morrison, John Denver, Taj Mahal and a host of others. Her songs have been recorded by Linda Ronstadt, Helen Reddy, The Byrds, Vicki Carr, Nancy Ames and Bobby Bare. This new album is produced by Gary Remal Malkin and features guest appearances by Bonnie Raitt, Chris Hillman, Kenny Loggins, Marc Russo and several others. Highly recommended!! Copies can be purchased from Pamela at: peemer@aloha.net If you give it a try, please remember to say hi from me! Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:59:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Asking Joni - ---Mary Pitassi wrote: > > In this case, I think it's quite possible that Joni is aware of our > efforts, and has in fact given us her silent nod. She knows we were > motivated enough to put together a whole cassette tape of our own > renditions of her songs: what else might we do? And didn't she even > say, either at one of the West Coast concerts or in a recent interview, > that she knew that "Crazy Cries of Love" had already been passed around > quite a bit as "Love's Cries?" Does she think that all of these copies > are for-profit bootlegs? Has it perhaps occurred to her that some of > them could indeed be fan tapes, exchanged "real good, for free," > motivated by nothing but admiration for her and her music? Might she > not have gotten some sense of the deep respect we have for her in the > Internet community through her dealings with Wally, and her meetings > with various list members at the tapings in Los Angeles in May? > > I vote for leaving well enough alone. > Mary makes a very good point here. Her position gets my vote, too Brian === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:23:27 -0700 From: "Hollander, Frank" Subject: RE: Bootlegs vs. Trees Bill Dollinger said: >The central purpose of tape trees is the sharing >of music by fans who simply can't get enough music >by an artist or group. The central purpose of >bootlegging is to take advantage of the fact that >these people exist so someone can make big bucks >at the expense of the artist. I would put these >profiteers in a special place in hell right next to >scalpers and the Harry Fox Agency (see related article). Doesn't "Harry Fox Agency" represent artists? The same artists who make a living off the royalties collected by these agencies? It's a bit too convenient to lump them in with bootleggers and scalpers. >If joni hasn't objected, I say we have an obligation >to continue the tape tree if for no other reason than >to take away the income for bootleggers. This ignores the whole issue of "control" in the copyright law. While "free" bootlegging will likely continue on the margins without serious interference, the law provides "ownership" to the authors of unreleased material, and thus (aside from "fair use" which is, at best, barely relevant) nobody has the legal right to copy it without permission. Even if Joni Mitchell hasn't personally objected to "free" bootlegging, she makes a good living from the royalties collected(often quite aggressively) by these agencies. Given this, I think it's out of the question that she would or could officially support "free" bootlegging, though she has little reason not to condone it. Having said all this, I personally condone and to some extent encourage even "professional" bootlegging (as opposed to pirating of commercially released material), and certainly all forms of "free" bootlegging, including CD-R trading [wink, wink]. I think for the most part it is done as a labor of love, and the "victims" gain such substantial financial benefits through "publishing" royalties from the copyright infrastructure (and of course from the same rabid fans who bootleg) that I can't spare any sympathy for their arguments. Frank ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:29:19 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: re: EBAY Hi everyone. I am responsible forwarding these items for auction at EBAY. I am NOT affiliated with EBAY and I am NOT selling anything. I was simply trying to contribute by performing what I thought was a service to people interested in ALL THINGS JONI. My posts are ON TOPIC and amount to about 1-5 a day. Many people post OFF TOPIC at a greater frequency and I've never complained. I am not quite as up on my Joni trivia so I shy away from the deeper discussions, while learning from them. I am not interested in throwing in my views to the MANY OFF TOPIC posts, although I have been tempted. So I saw this as a way to contribute thinking that people might want to bid on such items or even just view the graphics. I'll be happy to stop informing you all of these auctions if that is the general consensus. I have had some people write to thank me for the info. I put it to the list as to whether I continue with such alerts (1-5 daily max), or cease. I will abide by the majority opinion. But, for the record, I believe my posts are ON TOPIC, are of interest to some (especially new members, which come along every day), and are a service to the list. Waiting for your opinions, Dave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:33:12 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: EBAY Dave, I was really surprised that complaints were made about your posts. I too thought it was just the thing Joni fans would like-Joni content and a way to get stuff not readily available. colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:39:06 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: eBay auctions At 10:19 AM 7/16/98 EDT, you wrote: >It occurs to me that we jimdlers are bidding against each other on eBay and >driving up the price on all things Joni! That's a pity, I think. Why don't >we just resolve to let one representative buy all the stuff and just raffle it >off amongst ourselves, with any proceeds going to the web sites or a Wally >fund? I don't like bidding against my own list sisters and bros, but I do >love Joni stuff. What do you guys think? > Julius - I agree. Let s keep it in the "family". Heather(who has 258 posts to catch up on 'cause she went on a biking vacation up to Burlington, VT) > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:02:26 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: The Unfiltered Joni Mitchell - Part 2 (Mojo 8/98) Darn tootin' I'll buy the Mojo article. Can't wait for the photos - I hope there's a picture of Mojo the cat! Oh, and speaking of copyright violation, take one look at the articles section of the JMDL page and see copyright violation in all its glory. Anyone who contributed to that page should be shot! > Please *do* go out and buy this Mojo if you have the opportunity. I'd hate > the magazine to suffer because I posted this - especially in the climate of > copyright-conscience on the list at present. And the photos are worth the > cover price. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:16:45 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: NJC-- omnivores At 12:22 PM 7/18/98 -0400, you wrote: >"I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals: I'm a vegetarian because I >hate plants!" > >---- unknown ssource > Or how 'bout "I want to be a veterinarian because i just love children" - -Julie Brown from "Earth Girls Are Easy" (i think) Heather (just wanted to throw that one in) np: Jimmy Dean - Ellen McIlwaine (new purchase) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:51:05 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: (NJC) auction forwards Just wanted to say that while I'm personally not interested in the Ebay auctions, I see no reason to oppose forwards of relevant items to the Joni list. After all, it's just as easy to write a rule deleting emails with ebay in the subject as NJC. Now that we know where they're coming from, I say keep it on. Better one of us get ahold of this memorabilia than someone else. That said, I want to point out that the two Janet Jackson/Joni Mitchell items forwarded today are still pretty widely available in many US record stores, notably Tower. There's no reason to pay shipping and an auction price when you can obtain it for $4.99 in most markets. - --Michael NP: Rufus Wainwright, _Rufus Wainwright_ (my signed copy... ;-) ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:01:30 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Conscience (NJC) Don Sloan wrote ... > >To paraphrase Russell Means, great leader of the American Indian Movement, >*we* will change this as individuals when we realize we are all presently >living on a big reservation and we stop giving power to someone else in >order that *they* fix it for us. > >Okay, I'm done and off this thread. to which i add the following "Never doubt that a small group of committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead - ------- simon - ------- BTW: Juneau Jews Oregon Orientals Niagara Negroes Arkansas Arabs Louisville Latinos CLEVELAND INDIANS get the point? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:13:27 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Oprah List Hey Suze- Me >Kenny >Chilihead >Don Rowe >Phyliss - no response >Pearl >Terry - six responses! >Lesley Watson in Cape Town >Doug >Kate >Mendi >Bev - two responses! >Jody >Peggy >Marian >Anne Madden - bunch of responses Is that me at the top? I sent my email to Madame Oprah. So what am I ? chopped liver? Best, Michael NP-Still Tiny Town ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:22:45 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: re: EBAYia virus At 07:29 PM 7/20/98 -0400, Davekb420 wrote: >My posts are ON TOPIC >Many people post OFF TOPIC at a greater frequency >I am not interested in throwingin my views to the MANY OFF TOPIC posts >But, for the record, I believe my posts are ON TOPIC, >Waiting for your opinions, Dear Mr."ON TOPIC," Wow Dave, Sounds like a career in list moderation is in order! - -JulieZW, an admitted "OTS" - (OFF TOPIC Slut,) who LOVES Joni's music but prefers listening to it far more than talking about it, which is why I ALSO treasure reading the OFF TOPIC thoughts, debates, opinions and feelings of the folks who make up the fanship of the Joni Mitchell internet community. ps. Im not interested in Ebay Joni, but imagine other jmdlers might be. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:07:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue Subject: Oprah 7-20 update The list has grown to 26 members out of 400+ who have e-mailed www.oprah.com to request Joni as a guest in September. Please look for your name below. Me Kenny Chilihead Don Rowe Phyliss - no response Pearl Terry - six responses! Lesley Watson in Cape Town Doug Kate Mendi Bev - two responses! Jody Peggy Marian Anne Madden - bunch of responses Cul Amy from Michigan Ric Craig Harris Medric Faulkner Maggie Roberto Katie from the Cape Mike (terstan) Michael Paz Sue Cameron (Suze) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:11:00 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: EBAY gr8fuldave wrote: > So I saw this as a way to contribute thinking that people might want to > bid on such items or even just view the graphics. > > I'll be happy to stop informing you all of these auctions if that is the > general consensus. Well, hey, grateful-dead-dave, why didn't you let us know who you were? It's strangers in this here lil' Joniland we fear and dread... I like seeing memorabilia offers. I even bought a Joni-signed vinyl Mingus that Sue McNamara alerted us to that was offered on the internet last summer. (Although later Joni's art director told me he thought the sig. was a forgery!) Maybe if it is stuff that looks good, post it. Not that anything of Joni is crap... Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:29:34 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Joni copping and booting Rob Jordan wrote: [where our Joni claims she and Larry took Stormy Weather and] > I forget the arranger's name, but we just copped it- > you couldn't beat it, it was so gorgeous. Joni and Larry were bootlegging!!!!!!! And there's no attribution to the arranger. [and get a load of this little admission from our Joan about the Marvin Gaye tune] > Oh, I love that song. I've played that song over and over - I'd > only do the ones that I play over and over and over. I own them in > a certain way because of my love of them. Maybe we have our answer about boots for free that we "love" so much ourselves...straight from the horse's mouth. Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:34:03 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: RE: NJC-- omnivores no, that's from 'cause i'm a blonde', which went onto mush tapes i was making a while ago. nice to know i've joined the 'jmdl-criminal' class by redistributing copyrighted material. np - a tape made for me by another criminal... - -----Original Message----- From: Heather [SMTP:luvart@snet.net] Sent: Monday, July 20, 1998 7:17 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: NJC-- omnivores At 12:22 PM 7/18/98 -0400, you wrote: >"I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals: I'm a vegetarian because I >hate plants!" > >---- unknown ssource > Or how 'bout "I want to be a veterinarian because i just love children" - -Julie Brown from "Earth Girls Are Easy" (i think) Heather (just wanted to throw that one in) np: Jimmy Dean - Ellen McIlwaine (new purchase) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:24:01 -0700 From: Don Sloan Subject: apology Sorry... point taken. My apologies to all for over-fueling this thread. Don > Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:11:32 -0500 > From: Mark Domyancich > Subject: Morality, Teen Ethics > > Listen, people. There are other mailing lists to bitch about stuff that > doesn't involve Joni. Go find them. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:13:08 -0700 From: Don Sloan Subject: NJC / Carly List Congratulations, Colin!! And good luck. Maybe you will be able to meet Carly someday... you know, an interview for the list or something. Don Les Irvin wrote: > Hey Joniphiles - > Guess what? The world's greatest Carly Simon fan - our very own Colin - > has gone and started the Carly Simon Discussion List! > > Congratulations and best wishes for a successful venture Colin. > Les > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:29:09 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Interesting items. In a message dated 98-07-20 14:56:21 EDT, kb420@webtv.net writes: << I saw this item for sale at eBay, the world's largest personal trading community, and thought that you might be interested. Title of item: Joni Mitchell Big Yellow Taxi/Friends REMIX >> I'm sorry, but these post read to me more like advertisements for that website, and while it's difficult to describe that as "inappropriate" for this list, I personally would prefer not to see posts that seem to "commercial." Anyone else have a similar feeling? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:32:29 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Asking Joni In a message dated 98-07-20 18:53:10 EDT, briangross@rocketmail.com writes: << I vote for leaving well enough alone. > Mary makes a very good point here. Her position gets my vote, too >> I stand with her as well. Well said, Mary. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:32:59 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: ERIC JOHNSON LIST (NJC) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:11:44 -0500 From: Michael Paz To whoever it was that asked me for the info about the Eric Johnson list. park@io.com is the host of the list. Send him an email for instructions to subs.cribe.The guys name is Park. Sorry I lost that email from you. Best, Michael NP-I'm Sorry Baby-Tiny Town (on PMG Records due out August 16th) AWESOME if you like the subdudes you'll love this! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:31:57 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: RE: Spam from eBay web site From: "Davina Greenstein" Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:49:29 -0700 >Doug wrote I find it kind a ironic in lieu of all this bootleg/tape tree discussion.... like that mingus reel to reel (wasn't that what was posted first?)- where the heck did it come from? i suspect that it's direct eBay spam- under some kind of word recognition command. I don't like it either- although i'm interested in eBay personally. I've visited the web site and understand that they do have an 'open communication' policy- in that they make email addresses of buyers and sellers available during the course of an auction (5-7 days from the posting of the item by the bidder)- but this sounds like we are on some kind of pre-alert list. Who put us there? Doug personally I feel we are being targeted by the person selling the merchandise. Ebay has no motive to spam the joni list as they make the same amount of money from the seller whether the Mingus item sold for $1 or $56. It's the seller that is trying to up the price of the item by luring us to bid against one another. I personally love Ebay. I use it frequently and the company is very direct about spamming. Here is what Ebay has to say about spam, "Members of eBay do not tolerate spam. Do not add a member's email address to your address book unless you have permission from that member. Spam is unsolicited, commercial email". Davina Np....The Only Joy In Town..... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Wolfebite@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 1998 2:58 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Spam from eBay web site I find it kind a ironic in lieu of all this bootleg/tape tree discussion.... like that mingus reel to reel (wasn't that what was posted first?)- where the heck did it come from? i suspect that it's direct eBay spam- under some kind of word recognition command. I don't like it either- although i'm interested in eBay personally. I've visited the web site and understand that they do have an 'open communication' policy- in that they make email addresses of buyers and sellers available during the course of an auction (5-7 days from the posting of the item by the bidder)- but this sounds like we are on some kind of pre-alert list. Who put us there? doug ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:10:44 EDT From: ORLTed@aol.com Subject: Fwd: to buy or not to buy? bootlegs, etc. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_900990645_boundary Content-ID: <0_900990645@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 98-07-20 17:57:09 EDT, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: from the catman, and several others who i won't bother to forward their equally holier than thou comments: << Obviously, the difference bewtween buying a bootleg and robbing a bank is vast BUT the rationalization and self deceit behind it is the same. If we break a code to buy an illegally made cd, what else might we do to gain what we want? So criminals are not much different from the rest of us-they believe what they do is okay and those of us that don't have something wrong with us. >> I want to end this already, and I sincerely hoped it would not get to this point, but I just need to say it: GET A LIFE!! This is the biggest bunch of crap I've ever read. I won't pursue this any further...this even tops the grammar thread for being a sheer waste of time...you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about and quite frankly the dime store, second grade psychology is garbage. Why don't you go arrest some jay-walkers or something equally significant, before they become serial killers?? ted in orlando - --part0_900990645_boundary Content-ID: <0_900990645@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay16.mx.aol.com (relay16.mail.aol.com [172.31.106.72]) by air11.mail.aol.com (v45.21) with SMTP; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:57:09 -0400 Received: from mermaid.shore.net (mermaid.shore.net [207.244.124.6]) by relay16.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id RAA14808; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smoe.org [204.167.97.154] by mermaid.shore.net with esmtp (Exim) id 0yyNuv-0002CE-00; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:56:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id RAA24276; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:54:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:54:48 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id RAA24256 for joni-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with SMTP id RAA24252 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from (ethericcats.demon.co.uk) [158.152.87.112] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yyNsV-0003BN-00; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:53:51 +0000 Message-ID: <35B3BC00.1F6BED07@ethericcats.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:52:00 +0100 From: catman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Fwd: to buy or not to buy? bootlegs, etc. References: <64da428b.35b3aed1@aol.com> Sender: owner-joni@smoe.org Reply-To: catman Precedence: bulk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I thought Don's point, not an analogy, was apt. Obviously, the difference bewtween buying a bootleg and robbing a bank is vast BUT the rationalization and self deceit behind it is the same. If we break a code to buy an illegally made cd, what else might we do to gain what we want? So criminals are not much different from the rest of us-they believe what they do is okay and those of us that don't have something wrong with us. I always get mad when i here the peopl around here moan about the amount of burglaries there are. They make no connection at all with the fact that they buy cheap vcr's, hi-fi's etc from local people! The burglars of course are scum- they are just clever to spot a good deal when they see one! colin np:Denise Moser - Bright Side Up - --part0_900990645_boundary-- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #268 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?