From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #257 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 15 1998 Volume 03 : Number 257 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- When you go to New Orleans.... (NJC) [Bolvangar@aol.com] Synchronicity (NJC) (old reply) [Bolvangar@aol.com] RE: Boom Boom Hunt [M.Russell@iaea.org] Re: Boom Boom Hunt ["Kakki" ] (njc) [trxschwa ] Re: Michael Bolton and Ashley Judd (NJC) [Bolvangar@aol.com] DJRD questions [Bolvangar@aol.com] Re:Fred Walzenfree [Skin Deep ] Re: The Hobbit and Missed Digests SJC [Melinda Everett ] Re: Today in Joni History - July 15 [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Day in the Garden [Susan McNamara ] Re: Day in the Garden [margaret prisco ] Re: Day in the Garden [Susan McNamara ] More Shameless Self-promotion NJC [Howard Motyl ] Re: More Shameless Self-promotion NJC [Michael Heath ] grammar NJC [Hassan Zubairi ] Interesting item on eBay web site item#20544049: Joni Mitchell "Mingus" Reel-To-Reel!! [] Tolkien (SJC) [Mary Pitassi ] Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#20544049: Joni Mitchell "Mingus" R... [Wolfebit] Re: McNeil/Lehrer Misquotes the SIQUOMB! [LRFye@aol.com] HOSL-HEJIRA-AND DAMN COMPUTERS [catman ] Re: Tolkien (SJC) [Bill Dollinger ] Re: McNeil/Lehrer Misquotes the SIQUOMB! [Julie Blau ] RE: DJRD questions ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: HOSL-HEJIRA-AND DAMN COMPUTERS (VLJC) [Bounced Message ] Today in Joni History - July 16 [Today in Joni History ] Melanie [Bounced Message ] Re: Melanie [Jerry Notaro ] Re: HOSL-HEJIRA-AND DAMN COMPUTERS (VLJC) [catman ] Re: Joni Mitchell Misquote [LRFye@aol.com] Re: Joni Mitchell Misquote [catman ] Re: Joni Mitchell Misquote [Mark Domyancich ] Fourth of July songs [Howard Motyl ] McNeil/Lehrer and Oprah [Sue ] A Revisitation [DKasc13293@aol.com] Re: McNeil/Lehrer and Oprah [Beverly ] trying to reach Eric Postel? ["Eric G. Postel" ] (NJC) Lehrer mailbots [Michael Yarbrough ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 03:31:31 EDT From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: When you go to New Orleans.... (NJC) Hi all JMDLers! Back from Louisiana (via Texas, Arkansas, Kansas, etc.) at last. I haven't had a chance yet to get caught up on list mail -- but wanted to share a story from the trip: Last Friday at about 1:00, my grandmother (whose house we were staying at in New Orleans) returned from the grocery to find a strange car blocking her driveway, with two men scrambling to get in it. She assumed it was a car that had stalled since she and my grandfather live on a major street; but when they moved and she pulled into the driveway, however, she noticed that something was missing from the side of the house....the air conditioner, which the men must have loaded into the car the instant before she drove up. She quickly pulled back out into the street, but they were already gone. Since the air conditioner (oh, incidentally, it was 100 degrees the whole time we were down there....and 105 or higher when we drove through Texas) was mounted in a window, once it was removed the thieves were free to roam about the house, but apparently they only had time to take one other thing, which happened to be: my backpack, which was in the room where the air conditioner was. About three hours after this -- by which time the police had still not arrived ("Because nobody's dead," my grandmother supposed) -- my parents and sisters and I returned from the French Quarter. That was when we found that the backpack was missing, though because its pockets were all open, and because I had put more stuff in it than would really fit to begin with, there was a trail of items from my backpack leading from the window to the foot of the driveway. I think it was nearly worth losing the stuff in the backpack to imagine the scene when the thieves discover how worthless (to them) it is. I had my portable CD player, which I bought used four years ago and now plays for about half an hour and then starts skipping very badly; 10 or 12 CDs and tapes; some library books; a box of already-addressed envelopes; some letters and papers; about 50 pens and pencils, only half of which work; and some music I was writing and a big pad of music manuscript paper (damn their souls!). No money or valuables. Like I said, a few things had fallen out in the driveway, including two of the CDs and tapes I had brought -- could this be a sign? -- my DJRD CD, and my Hejira/HOSL tape (though that was broken already because my grandfather, who is in the advanced stages of Alzheimer's, ripped most of the tape out of it one night), the only Jonis I had brought. Look forward to reading the accumulated mail.... - --David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 03:52:47 EDT From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: Synchronicity (NJC) (old reply) Have made it to Digest #231 now. The National Accordion Convention this year was in New Orleans while I was there. If I'd known the list would be so interested, maybe I would have gone and made a report... - --David NP: Alpha, _Come From Heaven_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:16:14 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: RE: Boom Boom Hunt Wally Kairuz wrote: > There's more! Study the painting called Sweet > Sucker's Dance [Abundance andDecline] on > the cover of Mingus and you'll find ... things too embarrassing to mention! and Kakki replied: > My, we all have such rich imaginations. > So does Joni. Here's what she says > about the painting in STARART - > "This painting was like a mystical process > [definitely not what WallyK sees!] ...." > Myself - I could swear I see a martini glass or two in it. Maybe this painting should be nominated as the JMDL Rorschach test! :^D I wonder what our Dr. Sig Mondegreen thinks about this? Marian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:52:33 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Boom Boom Hunt Frau Marian wrote: >Maybe this painting should be nominated as the JMDL Rorschach test! >I wonder what our Dr. Sig Mondegreen thinks about this? I will levae the professional opiion to Dr. Sig but my guess is: Wally likes his shaken, not stirred and Kakki likes hers stirred, not shaken ;-D Dr. Kakischach ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 06:03:42 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: (njc) a friend asked me offlist >What's got your Irish up? but after convicting scott price of slagging jmdlers offlist, i certainly don't want to be accused of same. so, in the interest of full-disclosure, my answer: yikes, i do sound pretty irate, don't i? and this was a response i let sit for nearly two weeks. briefly. he announced that he was a lifetime member of the nra. simon posted general info about the nra and the 2nd amendment, and i added a particular concern of mine (their position on commercial explosive taggants). scott responded approx. "gee i feel like you're attacking me, for the record i'm a lifetime member, but i haven't paid dues in 15 years" implying he wasn't responsible for current nra positions. i took (and take) that to be a big cop-out. later, he tried to turn it into an issue of what's appropriate for the jmdl. i think you know how i feel about that. then his private post(despite my clear instructions) slamming everyone who disagrees with him as 'titillated' was, well, disgusting. patrick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 06:09:28 EDT From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: Re: Michael Bolton and Ashley Judd (NJC) Michael Y. wrote: > > << Judd.>>> > > I wonder what Bolton sold to the devil to win that match... His voice? (We can but hope...) His songwriting talent? Heh heh heh! :) Maybe that's where his hair went? - --David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 06:27:43 EDT From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: DJRD questions Who is Michel Colombier, who is credited with the piano on Otis and Marlena? Why didn't Joni play it herself? And why don't I even HEAR any piano on this track? (OK, I guess that might be a piano I'm hearing in the *distant* background in a couple of places. But it doesn't sound like anything Joni couldn't have done herself...as compared to, say, "Centerpiece.") Has anyone done a transcription and translation of the Spanish lyrics on The Tenth World? (The ones besides "baila mi rumba.") While I was listening to it recently, I noticed for the first time that it had these lyrics. Then I wondered what they meant, so I thought of asking Spanish-speakers on the list. Then I remembered, "Hey, *I* speak [some] Spanish!" (It was a night of surprising revelations for me.) But not well enough to pick up more than a few phrases here and there without listening to the lyrics over and over, line by line. I'm sure someone here can do (or perhaps already has done) better than me. DJRD is rapidly gaining on Hejira as my favorite Joni album....may have already knocked Blue into third place.... - --David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 03:42:54 -0700 From: Skin Deep Subject: Re:Fred Walzenfree Skindeep was assigned Fred Walzenfree's seat on May 30th and lives at 4700ft., almost icy altitude. Donovan and The Open Road did a nice set at the Isle of Wight. I have it from good source it was a tough set for Joni. With 500,000 strong the vibes so thick could bring you to your knees. I still have no idea who Mr. Walzenfree is. Life is drama........ Thanks, Fred for now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:02:32 -0500 From: Melinda Everett Subject: Re: The Hobbit and Missed Digests SJC Hi there, and a huge THANKS to everyone who was so kind to send me the digests I missed. Just shows the kindness on this list: my mailbox is stuffed with copies of #252 and #253! You guys are great! I start The Fellowship of the Ring today--yippee! To all who sent me private posts about it, I will be replying soon, FYI. With my NEW JOB and all, my time for email etc. is dwindling. But please be patient with me! One of the reasons I was prompted to read the series is that I had read on this list that it was quite an influence on Joni. And then when I opened The Hobbit, I was looking at the maps and saw Wilderland--and thought, "I think I understand, fear is like the Wilderland . . . stepping stones and sinking sand . . ." Talk to you more soon, Melinda - -- Support the OLGA Blue Treble Clef Campaign! http://www.olga.net/support.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:19:35 -0400 (EDT) From: margaret prisco Subject: Day in the Garden I'm new to this list and I'm guessing that this has been discussed, but is any one going to this concert? I already got tickets and the truth is that we probably won't make it to see any of Friday's show (I can live without Stevie Nicks and Don Henley anyway). And since I have no real interest in anyone else (Well, Lou Reed might be cool) I'm paying $70 (more if you figure in my SO and 2 kids (no tickets but food, etc)) just to see Joni. Since I've been a fan since right around the time Blue came out (Hmm, I guess I measure time by Joni albums) its surprising (to me) that I've never seen her live. I guess in my youth I was worried that I'd explode or melt or something so I never made an effort to see any of her (rare) appearences. But I figured that I survived Jackson Browne last year so I'm ready for Joni... If anyone else is going, where are you staying? I couldn't get any place in Monticello (or any place that I'd want to stay at) so we're staying in Liberty. If anyone is from that area and can give me any advice about accomodations, please do so! Thanks Margot ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:29:14 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - July 15 I was there! I remember it.... sort of. Jerry Today in Joni History wrote: > 1972: Joni performs at Mariposa Folk Festival > -------- > Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to > JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. > -------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:50:06 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Boom Boom Hunt In a message dated 7/15/98 5:16:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, M.Russell@iaea.org writes: << I wonder what our Dr. Sig Mondegreen thinks about this? >> Vell, now that you ask, I am curious about ze painting of ze HeCHira cover . Zis eez definately a peeenis. Vy? Look no furdder zan ze title therein, vich starts mit.. FURRY. Iz theez not enuf of a hint? Dr. SigMondegreen np: My Secret Place, of course ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:05:01 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Michael Bolton and Ashley Judd (NJC) >>> I wonder what Bolton sold to the devil to win that match... >> >>His voice? (We can but hope...) His songwriting talent? Heh heh heh! :) Actually, his song writing talent was part of the Isley Brothers court award ... :-o Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:23:43 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Day in the Garden Hi Margot: You may want to check out the Day in the Garden website: http://www.DayintheGarden.com/mega.html Also Les has set up a garden list for jmdles who are going. Send Les an email to get hooked up with this list. I know a number of people are staying in places near to Woodstock, and there are also some plans afoot for a JMDL tailgate party (right Don in FL?). I'll be there. Just look for a denim jacket with a Georgia O'Keeffe skull on the back. (you should be able to pick that out of 30,000 people, don't you think? :-D) Take care, Sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:46:02 -0400 (EDT) From: margaret prisco Subject: Re: Day in the Garden How do I join that list? I know its usually a matter of putting some word(s) like "join" in the subject line or message text... Also when I go to the jmdl.com web page I get a message about a java error *and* when I tried to vote for best album I'm asked for a password - where do I get that?? Thanks! Margot On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 LRFye@aol.com wrote: > Hi Margot! > > Yes, yes, yes, there are quite a few of us going to A Day In The Garden ... > perhaps about 15 of us? > > Please join the Garden mailing list at garden@jmdl.com > > See you there! > > Lori > in San Antonio > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:55:09 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Day in the Garden All these issues and more will be revealed by sending an email to the Big Kahuna of Siquomb: Les@jmdl.com >How do I join that list? I know its usually a matter of putting some >word(s) like "join" in the subject line or message text... Also when I go >to the jmdl.com web page I get a message about a java error *and* when I >tried to vote for best album I'm asked for a password - where do I get >that?? > >Thanks! > >Margot > ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:01:15 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: More Shameless Self-promotion NJC I saw an entry from Julie promoting herself and her camera thang--and since I am a native Pittsburgher (who now lives in Chicago) I thought I would follow her cue and self-promote. You may have heard something somewhere about the Zapruder film and its release on home video. (For those of you who are living in the a news blackout (I say this becuz it seems as if this is being reported everywhere) the Zapruder film is the film showing JFK being assassinated.) The film is being released as part of a documentary called "Image of an Assassination: A New Look at the Zapruder Film" and I am the producer/director/writer of the doc. And contrary to what you may have heard, the tape is not sensational but historical. For what it's worth . . . Any questions? - -- Howard Motyl Producer, MPI Teleproductions http://www.mpimedia.com/New_Releases/Zapruder/zapruder.html http://www.mpimedia.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:15:36 -0700 From: Michael Heath Subject: Re: More Shameless Self-promotion NJC yes...i read that the documentary uses digital enhancement for the Zapruder sections. Is this true, and if so, how is the enhancement used; for clarity? for zooming ? Howard Motyl wrote: > I saw an entry from Julie promoting herself and her camera thang--and > since I am a native Pittsburgher (who now lives in Chicago) I thought I > would follow her cue and self-promote. > > You may have heard something somewhere about the Zapruder film and its > release on home video. (For those of you who are living in the a news > blackout (I say this becuz it seems as if this is being reported > everywhere) the Zapruder film is the film showing JFK being > assassinated.) The film is being released as part of a documentary > called "Image of an Assassination: A New Look at the Zapruder Film" and > I am the producer/director/writer of the doc. And contrary to what you > may have heard, the tape is not sensational but historical. > > For what it's worth . . . Any questions? > -- > Howard Motyl > Producer, MPI Teleproductions > http://www.mpimedia.com/New_Releases/Zapruder/zapruder.html > http://www.mpimedia.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:49:55 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: McNeil/Lehrer Misquotes the SIQUOMB! Arise jmdl and defend our Joni! Clarence Green's essay last night on NewsHour attributed the line "It's time we got ourselves back to the garden" to Crosby, Stills and Nash -- everybody write and set him straight ... NEWSHOUR@pbs.org :-( Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:03:07 +-100 From: Hassan Zubairi Subject: grammar NJC Dear Fred, I thought assonance was a product of internal bowel sounds! ;- ) JamieJake ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:11:20 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#20544049: Joni Mitchell "Mingus" Reel-To-Reel!! I saw this item for sale at eBay, the world's largest personal trading community, and thought that some of you might be interested. Title of item: Joni Mitchell "Mingus" Reel-To-Reel!! Seller: dolfanjrs@webtv.net Starts: 07/08/98 17:07:14 PDT Ends: 07/15/98 17:07:14 PDT Price: Currently $10.50 To bid the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=20544049 Item Description: The box has some slight wear, but this is in very nice condition overall!! Winner to pay $3.00 ship/hand in USA. THANKS!! Visit eBay, the world's largest Personal Trading Community at http://www.ebay.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:27:52 -0500 From: Mary Pitassi Subject: Tolkien (SJC) Bill Dollinger wrote: "also- I believe that lord of the rings was a force behind the writing of I Think I Understand. bil" I first read "Lord of the Rings" 20 years ago, at almost the precisely the time I discovered Joni. "I Think I Understand" reminded me strongly of the Trilogy, with its references to "dark uncertainty," forests, "rob[bing] its blackness blind," fear being "like a wilderland," and, of course, the description of the landscape. However, I assumed the connections were idiosyncratic to my particular reading and listening at the time, rather than the result of any direct influence of Tolkien on Joni. Thanks to this list, I now know that Joni would have had a more than passing familiarity with _The Lord of the Rings_ at the time she wrote this song! Tolkien was quite an interesting fellow. His "day job," if I remember correctly, was as Professor of Ancient Norse Languages and Literature at either Oxford and Cambridge. He was a highly respected scholar, and wrote an influential essay on mythology that was still read by graduate students of Old English as recently as 15 years ago ("former students. . . I am one!"). He was also a devout Catholic, was instrumental in his good friend C.S. Lewis's conversion to Christianity, and viewed his faith as only strengthening his deep appreciation of the mythologies he read for the greater part of a lifetime, rather than diluting it in any way. The Trilogy has always been a deeply spiritual work for me. In another example of "JMDL synchronicity," I picked up a copy in a bookstore in New Mexico while we were vacationing, and vaguely entertained the notion of reading it again. Now, thanks in part to my envy of what Melinda has in store for her, I may well do just that! Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:15:34 EDT From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#20544049: Joni Mitchell "Mingus" R... so who will be getting home with their reel to reel? there's no comprehending! doug ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:46:02 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: McNeil/Lehrer Misquotes the SIQUOMB! Thanks for the info, Don. I responded to PBS with the following: - --- Hello Folks, Clarence Green's essay last night on NewsHour attributed the line, "It's time we got ourselves back to the garden" to Crosby, Stills and Nash. I just thought you might want to know, and hopefully you'll make a public correction to the effect, that Joni Mitchell wrote the song, "Woodstock." Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young merely recorded a popular cover of that tune. Ms. Mitchell will perform at an event called "A Day In The Garden" on August 15, which will be held on the site of the original Woodstock event. Thanks for your time, Lori R. Fye (address) (phone) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:45:14 +0100 From: catman Subject: HOSL-HEJIRA-AND DAMN COMPUTERS Yesterday, Tuesday, I drove up to Wallasey(Liverpool) to see my friends, ken and thelma. Gosh, time flies. I met them when T was carrying Emma-who is now almost 17yrs old. I took HOSL Hejira, STAS and NRH. On The Jungle Line Joni mentions poppy tourniquet. She sings tur-nee-kit. I have only heard this said as tor- nee- kay. So is joni using artistic licence or is that the way Canadians pronounce that word? On Black Crow she also sings of the crow swooping down on something shiny. I thought only Magpies did that. Are crows attracted by, and collect, shiny things? As I left my friends they asked my my new car was. great I said, not a moments bother out of it. Thelma rsponded by saying'don't say things like that.' Fifty four miles into my journey home, I stopped at Sandbach services. After I had done what I needed I pulled away, themn remembered I needed to spray my windscreen with stuff that gets ridd of all the shit. I stopped on the exit ramp and did that. I got back in the car and it would not start. I called out the rescue(AA) and they spent an 1hr or so trying to find the fault. I found out my car is run by a f'ing computer!!! And that was caput! I was lucky that I stopped on the exit ramp-it could have gone one me whilst doing 90 mile an hr! At 2am another man arrived in a truck to tow me home to London, another 200miles still to go. He was a SHIT. He refused to take Henry in the cab. 'He might mess in their'. As i was 200 miles from home, I had no choice. Sp poor Henry had to stay in the car on the back of this lorry whcih bounced about all over the place. At 7am this morning, tired and cold, i got home. Henry was none the worse for wear. I then have spent the rest of the day arranging yet anothet tow back to whence the car came, and arranging a replacement whilst they fix the computer that has buggered up my car. My PC-I bought an upgrade to W95 that the store staff assured me was OSR2 and an upgrade to my 4.95a version. So I spent an hr or so loading it onto my machine. Only to find out I have loaded the original version of W95 onto my pc, a downgrade from what I had!!! so I took it back. I cpomplained and was told their staff did the best they could.(They did not even know you CANNOT buy OSR2 it only comes in new pc's) I saqid the fault was with the mangaement for not training the staff properly. I have not been able to get any info out of them regarding things I want to buy-like another printer. i had to phone a company, get the info, then go back and buy it. Anyway, the manager got sniffy. I told him he should visit America and learn what service is. his response, the arsehole, was he had never left these shores and had no intention of ever doing so as UK was best and America was just murder and mayhem. Funny how people who have never left these shores say things like that. he was a real twerp. He grudgingly refunded my money and accused me of being unpatriotic.(well I have no patritism for anywhere). i thought i saw a swastika or a BNP tattoo on his arm. Really, service in this country is just complete crap. Staff don't greet you, say hi, or anything. they begrudge you asking for help, they don't know the f'ing answers anyway and obviously hate their work. And we pay thru the nose for every damn thing we buy. Oh, he also said that staff training for PCWORLD, CURRY;S AND DIXONS was the best in the UK. My response was well no wonder service is so appalling then! really, i went6 to buy a new cd player and they could NOT give me any info about it apart from 'you plug into your amp and it works'!!! Or when you finally see something you want, and then find a staff memeber and then they go and get it-coming back 15 mins later to say it isn't in stock. Then WHY have it on f'ing display!!!! Admittedly I have never bought anything like this in US, only petrol, food, and fags but service was always excellent. In Canada I had to buy a camera(would you believe my strudy camera with th fancy lenses chose my Great Trek to break down?). The satff were excellent were able to explain what I needed to know and even took a lens in aprt payment for my new camera! AND told me how to get rid of all the packaking and post my receipt home so I wouldn''t get clobbered wit tax. I also dumped ALL of the clothes I had taken and bought new in US as it was so cheap. i paid $38 for a Levi's jacket in New Hampshire that here would have cost more than twice that. And he let me try on several before making up my mind. colin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:38:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Dollinger Subject: Re: Tolkien (SJC) Also, before siquomb, wasn't joni publishing under the name gandalf? bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:00:35 -0700 From: Julie Blau Subject: Re: McNeil/Lehrer Misquotes the SIQUOMB! LRFye@aol.com wrote: > Clarence Green's essay last night on NewsHour attributed the line, > "It's time > we got ourselves back to the garden" to Crosby, Stills and Nash. > > I just thought you might want to know, and hopefully you'll make a > public > correction to the effect, that Joni Mitchell wrote the song, > "Woodstock." > Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young merely recorded a popular cover of that > tune. You were kind not to mention the fact that he also mangled the lyric! J. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:40:22 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: DJRD questions > Has anyone done a transcription and translation of the Spanish lyrics on The >Tenth World? >--David Here's what I hear and its English translation. I think somebody from the northern sections of South America or even the Caribbean could do a better job than I because the variety of Spanish that I use is extremely different form the one spoken by the people on DJRD. Baila mi rumba Bátela, goza y mira mamá Baila, mira mamá Bátela, goza, mira eh Rumbando bello es que yo voy Bailala bailala bailala Bailala baila baila Eh eh mamá [??????] Baila baila my rumbo[?] Ele eh ele eh Bailala bailala baila Din din baragadín dan dan [ this is onomatopoeia] Baila baila baila baila Venezolano en Nueva York En California y en todos lados Te la traigo Para que vos...para que gozes gozes cosa buena Gozes con todo el mundo El africano y todo el mundo Bailala 5 x’s. Gringos! Izquierdo! Izquierdo! Vamos, oye! [onomatopoeic sounds, interjections, sighs, whistling, bits of dialogue among the musicians that sound like instructions or encouragement to keep on playing and dancing] Me voy 8x’s [ More chanting and onomatopoeia] Dance to my rumba Beat it [ maybe a drum?], enjoy, look mama [ maybe meaning "look at me and learn the steps."] Dance, look mama Beat it, enjoy, look Dancing the rumba beautifully. That's how I go. Hey hey mama Dance to it, dance [ repeated] Dance Dance this way [ This a tentative translation, the expression I hear is actually unidiomatic] Dance to it, dance A Venezuelan in New York [ maybe referring to himself] In California and everywhere I bring it to you [ the rumba] So that you will enjoy a good thing Enjoy it with the rest of the world With the African and the rest of the world Dance to it Gringos! [ This is funny. "Gringo" is a pejorative way that some South Americans have to refer to Anglo-Saxons. It's clear that some Americans are actually dancing to the music in the studio and receiving instructions from the singer, including this veiled semi-insult. Was Joni there too?] Left! Left! [ maybe meaning use your left foot now ] I say, Come on! I'm going now! [ Or it could also be I'm "coming"!] Hope this helps WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:59:31 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: RE: HOSL-HEJIRA-AND DAMN COMPUTERS (VLJC) From: Davina Greenstein Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:41:24 -0700 Colin Wrote: >Really, service in this country is just complete crap. Staff don't greet you, say hi, or anything. they begrudge you asking for help, they don't know the f'ing answers anyway and obviously hate their work. And we pay thru the nose for every damn thing we buy. Colin I live in Southern California and I'm not sure if it's the same way in other places in the US, but when it comes to buying a large purchase such as audio equipment, computers or PDA's you generally shop at the warehouse discount stores to save the most money. Out my way, we have Circuit City (the worst), Good Guys (bait and switchers) or Best Buy (that's all you get). The staff is generally not informed about the equipment, inventory or much else, aside from their commission. It's really up to the consumer to do the research, determine exactly what you want, read the consumer report guides (that hopefully provide objective information) and then go into these stores and just do your purchasing. Out here when you buy at a discount, the expectation level of these stores is that they won't give you much else in the way of service. It's sad. Now don't get me started on buying cars....that's a whole other unworldly thread we could start.... - --Davina (Secretly pondering what secret images might be revealed on Joni album covers through Julie's special 3D camera ) np: The Bridge School Concerts vol 1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:00:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - July 16 1983: Joni performs at the Garden State Arts Center in New Jersey. Joni's setlist that day was Coyote, Free Man in Paris, Cotton Avenue, Edith and the Kingpin, You Turn Me On I'm a Radio, Flat Tires, Song to Sharon, God Must be a Boogie Man, For Free, Big Yellow Taxi, A Case of You, Wild Things Run Fast, Sweet Bird of Youth, Banquet, Raised on Robbery, Refuge of the Roads, You're So Square, Solid Love, Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody, Help Me, Love, Heard it Through the Grapevine, and Woodstock. Read a review of this event at: http://www.jonimitchell.com/NY83.html - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:12:35 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Melanie Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:52:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Medric Faulkner Melanie's homepage states that she will be on the bill with Joni at Woodstock 98. I have always liked Melanie and her song Lay Down Candles in the Rain, which was written about her experience performing at W'stock. I know that she is no comparison to Joni but I find her sincere and a deep thinker on some of her "unknown" material, contrary to what her reputation would imply. Does anyone know if there has ever been a connection to Joni or how Joni feels about her. Medric Faulkner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:20:50 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Melanie Though Melanie is not in Joni's league (who is?) Ive been a great of both since the beginning of their recording careers. I know of no connection between the two (besides me!). Melanie continues to perform in this part of Florida as she lives here and has just opened a reataurant in Tarpon Springs. Jerry Bounced Message wrote: > Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:52:02 -0700 (PDT) > From: Medric Faulkner > > Melanie's homepage states that she will be on the bill with Joni at > Woodstock 98. I have always liked Melanie and her song Lay Down > Candles in the Rain, which was written about her experience performing > at W'stock. I know that she is no comparison to Joni but I find her > sincere and a deep thinker on some of her "unknown" material, contrary > to what her reputation would imply. Does anyone know if there has ever > been a connection to Joni or how Joni feels about her. > > Medric Faulkner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:43:14 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: HOSL-HEJIRA-AND DAMN COMPUTERS (VLJC) Davina, Unfortunately the shops I mentioned are not discount! thes service I has was buying mail order, which is MUCH cheaper, and their service and support was excellent! I think that is what I will do in future. colin ps we tend to pay in pounds than you do in dollars. IE my cd writer cost 399pouinds and it costs less than 399 dollars in the uSa, ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:04:55 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Dates anyone, please? Can someone either post or provide me with the dates of the shows recorded on the two live albums. From the website I've concluded that MOA was mostly Aug. 14 - 17 of 1974 in LA. S&L was 5 nights in Sept. of 1979 also in LA. but what 5 dates? Also the RotR video. Was this shot in a studio or live on tour? Date(s)? Thank you, Dave NP: Tape of the Day: 7/15/89 Little Feat: Jones Beach, NY. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:28:29 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Dates anyone, please? In a message dated 7/15/98 5:11:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kb420@webtv.net writes: << From the website I've concluded that MOA was mostly Aug. 14 - 17 of 1974 in LA. >> Sorry, I don't know. But I do know for certain, that the cover of MOA is of Pine Knob, where Joni performed when she used to tour. Pine Knob is located in Auburn Hills, a suburb of Detroit. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:30:21 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Misquote Is this the same cover letter the rest of you got when writing NEWSHOUR? Terry << Subj: re: Joni Mitchell Misquote Date: 7/15/98 6:10:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: NEWSHOUR@pbs.org (News Hour) To: terrym2442@aol.com Thank you for writing to The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer. We appreciate the input and interest of our viewers and want you to know that your comments were read and noted. >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:38:51 -0500 From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Misquote yep terry, i received the very same message. i feel special, oh so special... sherrie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:37:24 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: HOSL-HEJIRA-AND DAMN COMPUTERS (VLJC) Thanks for the replies everyone. I didn't know magpies and crows were the same family. And I find it interesting how people pronounce words differently. colin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:07:01 -0700 From: Julie Blau Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Misquote TerryM2442@aol.com wrote: > Is this the same cover letter the rest of you got when writing > NEWSHOUR? > Terry > > << Subj: re: Joni Mitchell Misquote > Date: 7/15/98 6:10:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From: NEWSHOUR@pbs.org (News Hour) > To: terrym2442@aol.com > > Thank you for writing to The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer. We appreciate > > the input and interest of our viewers and want you to know that your > comments were read and noted. >> I bet it's just an auto-response, the same kind of thing you can set up when you go on vacation, for example. It means only that they received your message, not that they read it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:22:10 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Misquote I, too, received the "special" message from PBS ... Pffft. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:29:27 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Misquote sherrie.good@chronicle.com wrote: > yep terry, i received the very same message. i feel special, oh so > special... oh so pretty and witty and gay > > > sherrie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:55:46 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Misquote YES! I was so pissed! Not that big of form letter! Mark, putting away his jerk self for a while Terry wrote: >Is this the same cover letter the rest of you got when writing NEWSHOUR? >Terry ____________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |__________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:30:14 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Fourth of July songs > Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:40:16 EDT > From: AzeemAK@aol.com > Subject: Re: NJC! Aimee Mann > > I'm pretty sure Ani Di Franco also has a song called "4th of July"; on a > similar theme, Louise Goffin wrote a wonderful song called "Fifth of July". > Her version is pretty good, but Terry Reid's is stupendous - in fact I'd say > it was one my favourite singles of the 90's. I just saw this entry and it reminded me of the songs I listen to on the fourth of July. This past one a friend of mine called to hear one of the songs. I will have to add this Ani DeFranco song to my Independence Day canon for 99. Naturally, there is "Night Ride Home". duh. Also, Dave Alvin's "Fourth of July" [great lyric: "Whatever happened, baby, I apologize/so wipe away your tears and come outside/It's the fourth of July . . . we forgot all about the fourth of July"] Dave has recorded two versions: a rockin' one on "Romeo's Escape" and an acoustic one on "King of California". ["King of California" is a great album and I highly recommend it to Joni fans. On Rounder records.] Another entry: "Declaration" by the Fifth Dimension. Corny? Maybe. But you will learn the Declaration of Independence. It's a great song and I sneak in Ms. Nyro's "Save the Country" (also on the Fifth D's album). And one that I am planning on adding is Martina McBride's "Independence Day" . . . "Let freedom ring, let the white dove sing . . ." not necessarily great lyrics but the message is great and she really belts it out. Are there others I should add to the list? Howard Howard Motyl Producer, MPI Teleproductions ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:42:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue Subject: McNeil/Lehrer and Oprah With all of this discussion about mailing the Mc-Lehrer show I am wondering how many listers mailed Oprah? I did, and got a nice response saying that although Oprah does from time to time read some mail, a staff member read mine and would give the feedback to Oprah. I really think if we deluge her with mail that they may consider trying to book Joni. I sort of said that it would be quite a coop for Oprah to get her for the entire hour as she is such a media recluse. I also included the write-up on the benefit concert (thanks Doug!). So, how many have done their homework and mailed the queen of daytime TV? Sue, who recently was heard saying on this list - SCHOOLS OUT! Sue Cameron (Suze) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:02:08 EDT From: DKasc13293@aol.com Subject: A Revisitation Has it ever happened to you, when you've put aside an album of Joni's for a while, and then you play it with a fresh ear, and it just knocks you off you feet, and therefore, your belief in being fanatical about her talent is reaffirmed? I've just evaluated Turbulent Indigo after a long absence, given it's somber nature. I believe that album is going to hold up for a long time. Even though, Night Ride Home is easier on the psyche, the strength of subject matter on Turbulent Indigo is so well-centered. The structure of the entire album as a whole, proves Joni's superior talent. Highlights for me are Borderline, The Sire of Sorrow, Last Chance Lost, Turbulent Indigo. It's not easy to stay on top. You've got to keep proving yourself over and over at each new outing. Here's Joni, painting and singing from a mountain top, evidenced by every aspect of this album. Not enclosed and graphic anymore, like the cover of Court and Spark. The painting highlight for me is the picnic scene ala French countryside somewhere near Monet's place. Just venting, and not soliciting "me too" responses. NP: Brian McKnight, The Only One For Me SO CRUCIFY ME! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:33:22 -0400 From: Beverly Subject: Re: McNeil/Lehrer and Oprah Hi Sue, I guess I didn't see the post that listed Oprah's address, E-mail or snail mail. I would be happy to write a nice letter to one of Oprah's staffers. Is it too late? You're right, if enough people demand that Ms. Joan appear, maybe Oprah, not knowing about the JMDL plan, will think there's a huge TV ratings pocket of Joni lovers out there just dying to tune in. Heck, maybe there is. Bev, who is guilty of splitting infinitives ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:57:02 -0400 From: "Eric G. Postel" Subject: trying to reach Eric Postel? Sorry to waste bandwidth. Anyone tryinging to contact me - I've been sick in bed for a week and still am sick - this is first time on Email -- for 5 minutes. Mailbox is clogged. Will revert when recovered. Cheers, Eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:58:34 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: NJC Tolkien, chess and Dylan There are three thing that I have tried to avoid getting into: Tolkien, chess and Bob Dylan. I used to have a fourth self-imposed prohibition -- Richard Wagner -- but I succumbed. I do not have any Dylan album and I must have heard his music only once or twice in my whole life. I have never read a word by Tolkien. I know that if I ever got into any of these things, I would become so completely absorbed that I would live only for them. I'm trying to resist as hard as I can. Dylan is the toughest. I am feeling the increasing need for a new poet in my life, and I know Dylan would be it. Chess doesn't look so threatening anymore because I'm not quite so inclined to analytical work as I used to when I was younger. Tolkien is looming ominously on my horizon. I'm being besieged by Tolkienites these days, and my love for Wagner, languages and myths make me particularly vulnerable to Tolkienism. Still, I'm not sure I want to acquire a new passion in my life. My first "Joni years" really sapped my energy. Maybe now that I'm older I could be interested in any of these things without necessarily becoming obsessed. Though, can you just "like" Tolkien or Dylan? WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:15:51 EDT From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: OTSFM concert listings- long & (LJC) hello luvs picked up the members publication (LeadSheet) for The Old Town school of Folk music- with a lovely picture of Joni on the cover. inside is a listing of upcoming concerts- quite a selection- thought you chicago area listers would be interested to know. of course- sept 18th- Joni mitchell and peter yarrow- a mere $5,000.00 per pair of tickets. I will be lurking outside the building that evening. anyone want to join? actually- anyone from the area want to meet for dinner that night? the new school location is in the lincoln square area- old german neighborhood- dinner at Cafe Sel Marie? the most luscious flourless chocolate cake with a wonder outdoor eating area. sept 19th- gillian welch & david rawlings, w/ todd snider $18.00 tickets Sept 20th- OTSFM reunion concert- Frank Hamilton (of the weavers), fred holstein, corky siegel, bonnie koloc... Sept 25th - michael smith & sons of the never wrong sept 26th - SWEET HONEY IN THE ROCK!!!!!! a must see if you've never seen these women- i've been a camp follower for about 15 years! $25.00 tickets. spet 27th new orleans klezmer allstars oct 2nd- 15th annual festival of latin music oct 10- Victor Wooten(bassist for bela fleck and the flecktones) Oct 16th- Angelique Kidjo Oct 17th - Tannahill weavers!! w/ John williams and dean macgraw . I want to see this too! Oct 23rd- lost songs of the silk road- w/ Kayhan Kalhor (Iranian Kamancheh & sitar player), Shujaat Hussein Khan (Indian sitar master), Sandeep Das (lndian tabla player) oct 24th - richie havens oct 25th - mark dvorak's streets of old chicago- local act oct 30th- corky siegel's chamber blues- local act nov 13th - sam bush band, & Barry & Holly Tashain nov 14th- balfa toujours & bois sec ardoin nov 20th- los tres reyes nov 21st- guy clark w/ John langford (of the Mekons) dec 5th- charles brown dec 6th- PATTY LARKIN!!!!! YEEEEEAAAAHHH! i love this woman. w/ jennifer kimball (of The Story) dec 11th- Bonnie Koloc dec 12th - john gorka so there you go- if your interested, call 773-525-7793 for ticket. this is not a paid endorsement- i just like the school alot- even if the $5,000.00 is way out of line!! doug ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:17:20 -0700 From: "Miller, John P" Subject: RE: Fourth of July songs (NJC) Howard Motyl wrote: >> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:40:16 EDT >> From: AzeemAK@aol.com >> Subject: Re: NJC! Aimee Mann >> >> I'm pretty sure Ani Di Franco also has a song called "4th of July"; on a >> similar theme, Louise Goffin wrote a wonderful song called "Fifth of July". >> Her version is pretty good, but Terry Reid's is stupendous - in fact I'd say >> it was one my favourite singles of the 90's. > >I just saw this entry and it reminded me of the songs I listen to on the >fourth of July. This past one a friend of mine called to hear one of >the songs. I will have to add this Ani DeFranco song to my Independence >Day canon for 99. Howard closed with: >Are there others I should add to the list? Ani DiFranco has *two* July 4th songs: 1. 4th of July (her 4th CD "Puddle Dive", 1993) 2. Independence Day (her 10th CD "Little Plastic Castle" 1998) She also performed here in San Jose *on* July 4th, on an outdoor stage within sight (and hearing) of the city's July 4th fireworks celebration. I was there, taping the show... she sang "Independence Day", and during the song the city started their fireworks... we could see the fireworks over Ani's shoulder while she sang, though she was unaware of it until the noise got very loud. What serendipity! I treasure that tape! John, who just returned home after weeks out of town, just in time to run south to LA... to see Nina Hagen this Saturday! John Miller San Jose CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:41:41 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: (NJC) Lehrer mailbots Now, I mean this in the nicest possible way and I hope no one thinks I'm trying to stir things up or anything, but I just have to say to this whole thread on the canned response to our Lehrer letters: "Give me a break!" Do you really think it makes sense for a not-for-profit quasi-alternative to corporate-controlled media to spend precious dimes paying a staffer to rack his or her brain for unique responses to our substantially similar mailbombs? At least we get a reply letting us know that our mail was indeed received. And we can probably rest assured that it at least will be scanned, as they probably look for comments to mention on the air from time to time. And they'll have to notice the uncharacteristically numerous mentions of Joni Mitchell in their scanning, and they'll probably take a closer look, and, yes, the error will probably be corrected on air as a result of our little campaign. And I think that's fabulous. As a supporter of public broadcasting, though, I would be a little perturbed, if not irate, if a real person actually wasted his or her time doing nothing more productive than writing individual responses to our mails. After all, do *you* write individual responses to all of the email *you* receive? Okay, I'm back to nice mode now. :-) - --Michael NP: Various Artists, _Ain't Nuthin' But a She Thing_ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #257 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?