From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #256 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 15 1998 Volume 03 : Number 256 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NJC: Donovan [Gerald McNamara ] re: NJC Your recommendations pahleeze [Robert Holliston ] The Hobbit NJC [Melinda Everett ] Re: NJC Shameless Self promotion [Robert Holliston ] HDCD, TI and TTT ["Wong, Kai" ] Compulsive corrwctive syndrome (NJC) [Mary Pitassi ] "Scan and delete": NOT! (NJC) [Mary Pitassi ] Re: Those kids in Canada ("Song for Sharon") [Sue ] Re: Tuck and Patti (NJC) [Heather ] Re: Bizarre Mingus packaging [Mark Domyancich ] Re: NJC Shameless Self promotion [Sue ] Boom Boom Hunt [Steve Dulson ] Lucinda Williams, NJC [Anne Madden ] Re: Tuck and Patti (NJC) [Marsha ] Premiere mag [Susan McNamara ] Day in the Garden [Heather ] your recommendations pahleeze [Liz Johnson ] Re: NJC: Cowboy Junkies [Julie Blau ] Re: Tuck and Patti (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] More on the Reprise HDCD titles ["Hollander, Frank" ] Interesting item on eBay web site item#20544049: Joni Mitchell "Mingus" Reel-To-Reel!! [] Re: Day in the Garden [Sue ] Re: Those kids in Canada ("Song for Sharon") [Howard Motyl ] Re: Boom Boom Hunt [Michael Heath ] Re: Boom Boom Hunt ["Kakki" ] Re: Pop (SJC) [RickieLee1@aol.com] guitar player magazine [michael paz ] NJC: Re: Those kids in Canada ("Song for Sharon") [Les Irvin ] RE: The Hobbit (sjc) [Bill Dollinger ] Today in Joni History - July 15 [Today in Joni History ] macs (NJC) [sherrie.good@chronicle.com] Re: The Hobbit (sjc) ["Kakki" ] content (njc) [trxschwa ] NJC Carly does "Madeline" ["Julie Z. Webb" ] NJC Boom Boom Hunt ["Wally Kairuz" ] Rich Exchange [The Yarn Kollection ] RE: SoCal Party Pictures are Here!!!! ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Tuck and Patti (NJC) [Marsha ] Re: Tour pages on the JMDL ["Kakki" ] NJC - YAKAQUOMB [Scott Price ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 8:25:33 UTC From: Gerald McNamara Subject: NJC: Donovan In 1975 my wife and I went with some friends to a Donovan concert. It was, even then, something of a 60's nostalgia trip, the set-list being all 'old' songs. We were delighted. Last weekend we went with the same friends to see Donovan again. It was even more of a 60's nostalgia session. Donovan scarcely looks any different to his '75 appearance, while we all look 23 years older ! His performance was excellent. He had the audience in raptures - and many wouldn't have been born when those hit songs were first aired. Apart from one song off his latest album Sutras, I reckon he had the same set-list. While Dylan's and Joni's voices have changed a lot in 30 years, Donovan's has hardly altered at all. Perhaps he's got more vibrato (... the influence of what the Butthole Surfers did to Hurdy Gurdy Man ??) His show was like a time-warp... and the crowd loved every minute of it. He's got everything he needs, he's an artist .... he does look back! For an excellent concert review from Addicted To Noise, see: http://www.addicted.com.au/aus/MNOTW/tabl/980710/90110.shtml - Gerald Mac ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:23:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Holliston Subject: re: NJC Your recommendations pahleeze Hiya, Julie! First of all, I don't work out - ever ever ever :-O So I can't be any help there (except to say: basic black works ;-) But from some recent experiences: Cooking: Bill Evans Trio, Blossom Dearie, A Collector's Sondheim, and, tonight, Mingus (twice!) Walking: (last week): A nutty Verve compilation disc called "With A Twist" - - featuring such 60s gems as the themes from James Bond, Peter Gunn, Pink Panther, and Sammy Davis Jr. singing Girl from Ipanema. (You have to wear sunglasses.) Dancing: Atlantic R&B - especially LaVern Baker and Ruth Brown, and James Brown (especially Night Train and Papa's Got a Brand New Bag). As for your final category.....The Crazy Cries of Goat Dancing? (At my time of life, I'm more concerned with lighting than anything else.....) See ya later! Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:42:57 PDT From: "Ben Mulvey" Subject: Ripped ladies stockings in Joni's songs Hi guys, been 'lurkin' for a while, but had to come back in when the following got me thinking listening to Boho dance "A camera pans the cocktail hour Behind a blind of potted plants And finds a lady in a Paris dress with runs in her nylons" Hmmmmm, ripped stocking, in fact ladies stockings in general seem to have greater than average frequency in Joni songs,.. "wreck my stockings in some jukebox dive" "a maid came by in fishnet stockings and a bow tie, and said "Drink up now folks, its gettin on time to close" "You dance with the lady with the hole in her stockings Diden't it feel good" "Mama's nylons underneath my cowgirls jeans" "And the women that you wanted they get their laughs Long silk stockings On the bedpost of refinement" For the benefit of those newer JDML'ers - any threads on this issue before ?? Its funny all the ripped stocking images seem to occur in bar settings where there is music playing - maybe represent abondon ?, freedom ? While on the subject of recurring Joni references - I have allways wondered why cafes get mentioned so often in her songs too. Ben, Hong Kong ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:42:58 PDT From: "Ben Mulvey" Subject: Ripped ladies stockings in Joni's songs Hi guys, been 'lurkin' for a while, but had to come back in when the following got me thinking listening to Boho dance "A camera pans the cocktail hour Behind a blind of potted plants And finds a lady in a Paris dress with runs in her nylons" Hmmmmm, ripped stocking, in fact ladies stockings in general seem to have greater than average frequency in Joni songs,.. "wreck my stockings in some jukebox dive" "a maid came by in fishnet stockings and a bow tie, and said "Drink up now folks, its gettin on time to close" "You dance with the lady with the hole in her stockings Diden't it feel good" "Mama's nylons underneath my cowgirls jeans" "And the women that you wanted they get their laughs Long silk stockings On the bedpost of refinement" For the benefit of those newer JDML'ers - any threads on this issue before ?? Its funny all the ripped stocking images seem to occur in bar settings where there is music playing - maybe represent abondon ?, freedom ? While on the subject of recurring Joni references - I have allways wondered why cafes get mentioned so often in her songs too. Ben, Hong Kong ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 06:13:21 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Tuck and Patti (NJC) In a message dated 98-07-14 00:13:12 EDT, docnurse@VoyagerOnline.net writes: << Tuck rivals Pat Metheny in skill on the guitar, though they have very differing styles. >> Now that you mention it, Marsha, they may be the same person - I've never seen them play together...;-D ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 06:44:41 -0500 From: Melinda Everett Subject: Missed Digests NJC Somehow I missed Digests #252 and #253! I thought something funny was going on when I didn't understand a couple of threads this morning when I was reading the latest digest. Maybe my server was down for a while . . . Les, do you know if anything funny is happening with the SMOE server? Anyway, would someone please kindly send them to me? Thanks! :-) Melinda - -- Support the OLGA Blue Treble Clef Campaign! http://www.olga.net/support.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 06:47:24 -0500 From: Melinda Everett Subject: The Hobbit NJC Hi everyone! I just finished reading The Hobbit for the first time ever. I can't wait to pick up The Fellowship of the Ring! I loved The Hobbit! Anyone who wants to discuss it please email me privately. Take care, Melinda - -- Support the OLGA Blue Treble Clef Campaign! http://www.olga.net/support.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 05:12:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Holliston Subject: Re: NJC Shameless Self promotion CONGRATULATIONS JULIE AND JON - Please keep us posted as to further developments..... Roberto >Look, who else can I tell but you guys? > So here is the latest: The Newsweek issue/July 20th out this week with >"Science Finds God" on the cover----has a feature on the Michelangelo >"Pieta" in 3D project and it mentions us ("a Pittsburgh company designed >it,") and our Virtuoso camera on page 68 and 69 under the Art section! >Mama Mia! JulieZW ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:43:02 -0400 From: "Wong, Kai" Subject: joni is everywhere I was in a furniture store in NYC the other day and they were playing the entire LOTC album. Also, while I was put on hold on the phone with my bank last week, they played a muzak version of Night Ride Home. I could hardly believe my ears. Kai While shopping in the local mall yesterday I heard the familiar sound of How Do You Stop coming from The Gap. I went in to listen while I shopped and found that they were playing the entire Indigo CD. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:59:59 -0400 From: "Wong, Kai" Subject: HDCD, TI and TTT Regarding the HDCD issue, I find that the greatest improvement was with Court and Spark since the original CD release was so poor. I could tell the difference right away. With other CDs like For the Roses, the difference is minimal. I can't wait to hear the remastering of STAS. I hope the orchestral sounding keyboard (?) that joni uses on TTT sounds better on CD than on the radio interview. To my ears, it sounded kinda tacky, and a little tedious after a while. I really love the new songs on TTT and hope that the sound will turn out better on CD. For example, I think the piano version of Man from Mars from the Grace of my Heart soundtrack works much better than the electronic version on TTT. I am getting ready to frame my TI poster but do you put another frame around the painted frame? Kai ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:09:52 -0500 From: Mary Pitassi Subject: Compulsive corrwctive syndrome (NJC) Simon wrote: "P.S. Les, is this an example of "Compulsive Corrective Syndrome"? or is it just opinion and information offered in response to questions asked?" Well, if the proof of the pudding is in the eating (which rule did I violate, Brian G.??), then it must be latter: I feel defiantly uncorrected! ;-) Seriously, I wanted information and opinion; Simon (and others) have given me both. Thanks to all who responded! Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:29:35 -0500 From: Mary Pitassi Subject: "Scan and delete": NOT! (NJC) Tom Ross wrote: " How about that! no 'njc' in the heading, but nobody complained! people > seem to do so only when they have a personal grouse against someone; > otherwise why bother, just scan and delete. > > TR" This is the second reference to "just delete" I've seen in the past several weeks. A gentle reminder: according to data compiled by Les and published on the JMDL some time ago, fully *3/4* of the list is on digest! Those who receive the list in this manner *can't* "just delete": not without taking an entire digest of 30-some posts along with the one they don't want. That said, the "NJC" tag can still be useful to digest subscribers. Those wishing to filter out content not directly related to Joni can scroll past such posts without wading through them first if they are labeled. However, scrolling is still required, and that takes time. Just throwing out some random thoughts-- Mary P., Who happens to just love NJC, but realizes others aren't as quite as enamored as I. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:36:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue Subject: Re: Those kids in Canada ("Song for Sharon") Simon wrote: >P.S. Les, > > is this an example of "Compulsive Corrective Syndrome"? > or is it just opinion and information offered in response > to questions asked? Dear Simon, I love your posts, and find them very informative. They are one of the reasons I remain here. Please don't feel that you are in the category that you listed below. You are a source of knowledge that is needed here on the JMDL and I hope that others chime in their appreciation of what you have added to these discussions. Sincerely, Sue Cameron (Suze) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:40:15 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: Tuck and Patti (NJC) At 12:09 AM 7/14/98 -0400, you wrote: >This is the second mention of Tuck and Patti today I've seen from >Bob, and earlier Julius talked of his knowing them. >Aren't they just phenomenal? Hi all - I second Marsha here. Tuck and Patti are great! I've seen them perform up in Northampton, MA. They often perform there. Maybe a future JMDL get together ... Maggie? Ashara? Patti is so deep and strong with her emotive >singing. If you can, listen to their version of "Woodstock". Oh, yeah! This is a good one! >Marsha, asking Julius to let Tuck and Patti know when I plan > to visit him one day, so we can commune > Maybe I can get our dear Marsha to come up north to a Tuck & Patti event?? As Ever Heather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:43:54 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Bizarre Mingus packaging Could this be the long-lost second version of Mingus? Does it have John McLaughlin playing on any of them? >Hi everyone, >I just (finally) picked up Mingus on CD - I've taken good care of my vinyl >copy but it *is* nineteen years old now, and has a few pops and scratches. >There is no indication that it is an HDCD, but it sounds fine to me. >However, the packaging is mighty poor! No lyrics are printed, and although >Joni's written introduction, which lists the musicians who played on the >unreleased takes, is included, no mention is made of the musicians who play >on the actual recording. Needless to say, the paintings featuring Charles >Mingus that grace the original album are nowhere to be found. >Well, that's Warner Bros., I guess! >One more reason to hang onto those old vinyl records ;-) > >All the best, >Mac-happy Roberto ____________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |__________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:36:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue Subject: Re: NJC Shameless Self promotion Julie and Jon! HOW COOL! I am running down to the news stand now to get my copy. Do you know if they will have this feature as part of their on-line issue? They should, right? Congratulations to both of you! >Look, who else can I tell but you guys? > So here is the latest: The Newsweek issue/July 20th out this week with >"Science Finds God" on the cover----has a feature on the Michelangelo >"Pieta" in 3D project and it mentions us ("a Pittsburgh company designed >it,") and our Virtuoso camera on page 68 and 69 under the Art section! >Mama Mia! JulieZW Sue Cameron (Suze) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:01:17 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Boom Boom Hunt Simon quoted a review of C & S: >back when album covers were a true artform. As for Mitchell's artwork -- >a >wave or a penis -- or a penis waving? Or a couple embracing and >looking like a >penis -- who knows? Oh no!!! First Hejira, now C & S!! Maybe there's a boom boom pacheyderm in the artwork for all the albums...get out those magnifying glasses... ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:07:00 -0700 From: Anne Madden Subject: Lucinda Williams, NJC Car Wheels on A Gravel Road is #65 on Billboard's Hot 100 Rolling Stone Magazine gives this album 4-1/2 stars Spin Magazine calls it "The Album of The Year" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:18:35 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: Tuck and Patti (NJC) Heather wrote: > Maybe I can get our dear Marsha to come up north to a Tuck & Patti event?? Sure I will, if Julius will join us! But then you NEasterners have to promise to head south and west for similar events... Marsha, wishing I could snap my fingers and get "back to the garden" p.s.Congratulations on quitting your dang job, Heather. Play, play, play!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:40:30 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Premiere mag Since it's impossible to keep up with the fertility of this list I'm not sure if anyone else has posted this yet but there is a picture of Joni with David Geffen in an article about Studio 54 in this month's Premiere magazine (awesome picture of Ben Affleck on the cover). Circa late 70s, she looks gorgeous as usual with ubiquitous ciggybutt in hand. Forgive me if this is old news! Take care, Sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:49:29 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Day in the Garden Hi all - I asked this question before.... I'm just curious ... will anyone from the JMDL and/or jonimitchell.com be covering the "Day in the Garden" event? You know, photos/interviews and such. Thanks so much Heather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:16:16 -0700 From: Liz Johnson Subject: your recommendations pahleeze I am mostly a lurker on this list but I just couldn't resist this one, it's too funny! 1. Working out - Hejira (the whole album) is good because it is long, if I can keep up the running or rowing as long as the CD plays then I know I'm doing pretty good. Maybe it's not peppy but it works for me. 2. Walking - again, something long to keep me out there as long as possible, S&L and MOA work. Non Joni would be whatever is happening on KFOG, the coolest station in the nation. 3. Dancing - Michelle Shocked - Captain Swing, I love this album! 10,000 Maniacs - Blind Mans Zoo, Our Time in Eden or Unplugged. I listen to these a lot when I'm out gardening too. 4. Cooking - Indigo Girls, kd lang, Shawn Colvin, Joan Armatrading and often times Joni TI or NRH 5. Goat dancing - Melissa Etheridge, definately ME, that woman is full of passion. Kate Bush also works well, especially the Kick Inside. Maybe I'll have to play these when I get home tonight! hee hee, Liz Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:45:22 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: NJC your recommendations pahleeze What do you recommend listening to while: 1. Working out (for motivation?) 2. Walking (for duration and speed?) 3. Dancing (for getting down?) 4. Cooking (for inspiration?) 5.Goat Dancing for....well, you know? -JulieZWebb, in the mood to go shopping for music ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:17:20 -0700 From: Julie Blau Subject: Re: NJC: Cowboy Junkies Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > The Cowboy Junkies are slated to appear on Dave Letterman's show > Wednesday night on CBS. Does anyone have any video of them? Has > anyone > heard the new album? Hi Jim, I love this band. Michael Timmons is one of my favorite songwriters. (Canada sure has turned out some great ones.) I haven't picked up the new album yet, which is strange, because I usually grab their albums on the first day. I heard the title track, "Miles from Our Home" and didn't like it much, I thought Margo's voice sounded a bit washed out, and what a waste that is. But the tune stuck with me, so I'll probably find myself at the record store soon... Julie p.s. Saw them in Santa Cruz several years ago, at a very small club, with Michael Penn opening; what a great show. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:38:28 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Tuck and Patti (NJC) In a message dated 98-07-14 10:43:09 EDT, luvart@snet.net writes: << Maybe I can get our dear Marsha to come up north to a Tuck & Patti event?? >> Get Marsha to crfoss the Mason-Dixon Line? I suppose that's possible. Marsha once made it as far north as Pittsburgh, now considered Confederate Gen. Doyle's high-water mark, and it is said that her guns could be heard as far away as Gettysburg! ;>) Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:47:34 -0700 From: "Hollander, Frank" Subject: More on the Reprise HDCD titles I compared the "old" vs. "new" Blue, Ladies of the Canyon, and Clouds last night. I also compared the two For the Roses a little bit. My [subjective and inexpert musical] opinion is that improvements in Blue are more subtle than the apparent flaws in the recordings and performances. Ladies... and Clouds seem a little more "improved", but still subtle. Likewise For the Roses. But overwhelming all other considerations was that the music was *great* on all of them. I decided to quit worrying, and put the new ones on the shelf as definitive. I don't have the burden of knowing what the original vinyl sounds like (OK, maybe an old single of "Help Me"), and didn't have the "improved packaging" versions anyway. Once I get my hands on a "new" version of the first album, I'll close the book on it and stop worrying. Compared to other "definitive" remasters (e.g. early Elton John, The Who, ignoring bonus tracks), I think these early Joni Mitchell album remasters are only minor improvements. For instance, I remember one of my first CD's, the "Elton John" album, had noise audible on my original super-cheap plastic "fake rack" system. The remaster from a few years ago blows that one away. One thing to consider, since the "new" CD's don't have a special new label (for me they are new, but I assume they are the same as the "repackaged" releases), is the new "matrix numbers" (the funky numbers on the data side of the CD itself), to be sure you have new material. I don't have them in front of me, but the new Ladies... and Clouds had numbers that included "RE-1", an indication of a revision. Blue had a slightly different scheme, but was certainly a different number than my original pressing. Frank ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:32:41 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#20544049: Joni Mitchell "Mingus" Reel-To-Reel!! I saw this item for sale at eBay, the world's largest personal trading community, and thought that some of you might be interested. Title of item: Joni Mitchell "Mingus" Reel-To-Reel!! Seller: dolfanjrs@webtv.net Starts: 07/08/98 17:07:14 PDT Ends: 07/15/98 17:07:14 PDT Price: Currently $10.50 To bid the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=20544049 Item Description: The box has some slight wear, but this is in very nice condition overall!! Winner to pay $3.00 ship/hand in USA. THANKS!! Visit eBay, the world's largest Personal Trading Community at http://www.ebay.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:38:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue Subject: Re: Day in the Garden Heather, Now that there is no job to keep you in Conn. for the weekend just drive out and cover the darn thing yourself . I guess I will be posting to tell you how much fun I managed to have even without you and Marsha being there. That is hard for me to imagine, but I guess Mendi and Don are attending to keep the PGH. spirit alive. I am not the greatest of photographers, so will leave that up to others. Sorry I didn't respond sooner. >Hi all - >I asked this question before.... I'm just curious ... will anyone from the >JMDL and/or jonimitchell.com be covering the "Day in the Garden" event? >You know, photos/interviews and such. >Thanks so much >Heather Sue Cameron (Suze) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:03:49 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Re: Those kids in Canada ("Song for Sharon") >I don't think Joni means anything by the lines you mentioned from >SFSharon: >"Little Indian kids on a bridge up in Canada, they can balance and they >can climb >Like their fathers before them, they'll walk the girders of the >Manhattan skyline." >I think she's just painting an image and setting a context. She is >entering Babylon on a personal quest for meaning and truth. She points >out her Canadian roots by which she is viewing the New York skyline >from the harbor. Past the Statue of Liberty, into the belly of the >beast where she gets absorbed like all the others that came before her. >Including those little Indian kids. Your interpretation of these lines is great but a bit too poetic. The Indians she refers to walking the girders of the Manhattan skyline are actual Indians who actually walked the girders of the Manhattan skyline. The Indians--because of their complete lack of fear of heights--worked in the construction business in Manhattan. LIFE Magazine even did a photoessay about these workers in the earlier 70's. So, while Joni may be writing poetically about Canada and New York--she is also speaking the truth about those little Indian kids up in Canada and their fathers before them who really really did walk the girders of the Manhattan skyline. I hate to be a curmudgeon about these things but sometimes what a writer/poet is saying is actually what they are saying with the lines and not all "emotion and abstraction". - -- Howard Motyl Producer, MPI Teleproductions ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:23:18 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NJC Your recommendations pahleeze I think that one of the greatest musicians for goat dance sessions is Sade. The good thing about her is that you can also use her for the work out, dance, cooking and walking sessions, so you end up saving a lot of money. Grace Jones's Slave to the Rythm is also very suitable for either sex or working out. WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:36:45 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Boom Boom Hunt Steve Dulson exclaimed: >Oh no!!! First Hejira, now C & S!! Maybe there's a boom boom pacheyderm >in the artwork for all the albums...get out those magnifying glasses... There's more! Study the painting called Sweet Sucker's Dance [ Abundance and Decline] on the cover of Mingus and you'll find a spread- eagled woman, a person performing a fellatio, one testicle and a penis. I'm serious! WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:36:11 -0700 From: Michael Heath Subject: Re: Boom Boom Hunt yeah, but what happened to the other testicle? cul Wally Kairuz wrote: > Steve Dulson exclaimed: > > >Oh no!!! First Hejira, now C & S!! Maybe there's a boom boom pacheyderm > >in the artwork for all the albums...get out those magnifying glasses... > > There's more! Study the painting called Sweet Sucker's Dance [ Abundance and > Decline] on the cover of Mingus and you'll find a spread- eagled woman, a > person performing a fellatio, one testicle and a penis. I'm serious! > WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:01:05 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Boom Boom Hunt > There's more! Study the painting called Sweet Sucker's Dance [ Abundance and > Decline] on the cover of Mingus My, we all have such rich imaginations. So does Joni. Here's what she says about the painting in STARART - "This painting was like a mystical process, it went through a lot of changes. It was painted over a period of about four years. First there was a hostile male figure on the left hand side who was like a pure woman- hater. After a while I couldn't stand to look at it so I turned him into a conga player and I put this flute player in with him but that didn't seem to have any relationship. So I painted out the conga drums and as the paint flowed a woman dancing began to appear. So now there was this strange relationship between this very calm musician with a deluge of water coming down on him and this dancing figure which seemed to be emanating out of fire with this inexplicable haunted look on her face.....In this painting, the figure is dancing at her fullest and yet her face is haunted, which to me represents the moment of change. When you're having such a good time or when you're so much in love, you suddenly know you can't stay there." Myself - I could swear I see a martini glass or two in it. This is surprisingly a fairly large painting - 60" x 72" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:49:17 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Pop (SJC) well said michael. and, if i recall, joni once adorned the cover of time magazine (around the court and spark era) captioned as the "queen of pop". considering who has since dubbed himself the "king of pop" she would have most likely abdicated as be dethroned.... (now don't all you michael jackson fans start picking on me. great dancer! some good tunes! a little strange...) best regards, ric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:01:17 +0000 From: michael paz Subject: guitar player magazine Hello all- Check out this months guitar player magazine for an article on Canadian guitar wizard Bill Dillon whom do be worky with Joni on several occasions (page 39-40). Also (ATTENTION JIM L'HOMMEDIEU) there is an article on the Cowboy Junkies (PAGES 31-34) Peace, Michael NP-Crush-DMB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:04:23 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: NJC: Re: Those kids in Canada ("Song for Sharon") At 02:52 AM 7/14/98 -0400, Simon asked: >is this an example of "Compulsive Corrective Syndrome"? >or is it just opinion and information offered in response >to questions asked? Depends on one's point of view, I suppose. Personally, I would say it is opinion and information. Les ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:11:51 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: RE: The Hobbit (sjc) hey melinda, i absolutely love the trilogy, reread it every four or five years. i'd love to talk off-list as you go through, or after you finish. for me, turning the last page of 'return of the king' for the first time was a bittersweet moment: awed at a wonderful story well-told and sad i would never be able to experience it new again. i still remember that moment. the trilogy is also written for older readers than the hobbit, a plus. and when you do finish the story, you have those wonderful appendices to swim through and dream. i send this to the list, because you may not be aware that the 'lord of the rings' trilogy was a major influence on joni. it was what inspired her to attempt to create her own mythology. this is from a post awhile back, that denisongs wrote. >She originally drew a picture of a female creature from a race she named The POSALL (perhaps our souls are little ladies). Then she thought she should make a race of men for them, so she called them The MOSALM (maybe our souls are little men.) She made lots of characters for this mythology but to my knowledge, she never did anything with it. Other acronyms were: SEOFA - she is our favorite animal King HWIEFOB - he who is especially fond of birds SISOTOWBELL somehow in spite of trouble ours will be everlasting love and of course SIQUOMB which is - she is queen undisputed of mind beauty. i think that a drawing of the queen was actually the first. i only recently heard or read of the tolkein influence, though i suspected. all over the place in my youth. from 'ramble on' page/plant Mine's a tale that can't be told, My freedom I hold dear, How years ago in days of old When magic filled the air, 'Twas in the darkest depths of Mordor I met a girl so fair, But Gollum, and the Evil One crept up And slipped away with her. which NEVER happens in any of the books! oh well... patrick np - song to a seagull - sosotowbell lane, amazingly enough ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:50:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Dollinger Subject: RE: The Hobbit (sjc) also- I believe that lord of the rings was a force behind the writing of I Think I Understand. bil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:53:51 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - July 15 1972: Joni performs at Mariposa Folk Festival - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:10:19 -0500 From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com Subject: macs (NJC) count me in as a member of the church of macintosh. along with that award winning first commercial Don mentioned, i loved the first commercial for the G3. burn baby, burn. it does... sherrie who got her G3 in November '97 Cindy bought me bitchin' speakers for my birthday which is this Friday. cambridge soundworks ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:59:42 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: The Hobbit (sjc) Patrick made the Led Zep connection: > from 'ramble on' page/plant > > Mine's a tale that can't be told, > My freedom I hold dear, > How years ago in days of old > When magic filled the air, > 'Twas in the darkest depths of Mordor > I met a girl so fair, > But Gollum, and the Evil One crept up > And slipped away with her. Ah, so many favorite memories wrapped up in "The Hobbit" I wasn't even going to comment but this got me going. I was introduced to the Trilogy AND the first Zeppelin album at the same time by a very enchanting blond-haired boy when I was around Mariana's age. He carried a paperback of the "Hobbit" around with him everywhere and would read me passages from it constantly. He loved my parents' backyard, which had lots of interesting rocks and foliage, and mapped it all out according to the book. I got hooked (on him and J.R.R.) and spent the summer reading all the books. One day that summer I was in the local book store perusing the Tolkein and came across "Bored of the Rings", the Harvard Lampoon parody. I recall being so convulsed with laughter, I collapsed on the floor, tears streaming down my face. (You have to read the real books first, though, for the proper effect). Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:56:58 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: content (njc) scott and all... i've given the list and myself some time off, but this still demands a response. 1) why i wouldn't take it private with you that would imply a level of trust and respect you don't merit. when you post privately, you think you can say things like 'struggling with other issues' and 'exorcise your personal agendas'. these are personal attacks that have no place in a discussion of matters that affect all of us. you also say, about others who've posted to these threads: >Are they so starved for stimulation in their lives that they crave people arguing with each other and >although a select few seem titillated by the sparring julie w., roberto, paul i., mary p and cul have all posted regarding content-censoring and/or nra positions on the jmdl. were your comments about them? is that why i should have kept this private? if not them who? should i keep that private too? do you have the guts to publicly say to specific jmdl-members ' i accuse you of being starved for stimulation and titillated by the sparring'? how fucking dare you post this to me! julie webb is a particular concern of mine, in this slander you threw. she's a friend, yes, but she spoke in support of my post not in friendship, but because we have similar views of what a cybercommunity is, and can be. she's been thinking about it, while raising 3 children and publicizing her family's work. thinking about issues that affect her and her family. have you been? scott, do you think julie's 'starved for stimulation'? please do not ever post to me privately again. ever. i thought my actions were quite clear. is this clear enough for you? patrick by the way, steve dulson is someone i like and respect so much. we've had content discussions; i think he knows it's a matter of principle for me. however, it is for people like steve and sue macnamara that i try so hard with the (njc) designation. i think it shows a lot more respect than you've shown, citing them without knowing them. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:27:51 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: NJC Carly does "Madeline" Just took my children to see the movie "Madeline," which is an adaptation from Ludwig Bemelmans'classic children's books featuring the courageous, tiny redheaded heroine, Madeline, AND what do you know, Carly Simon is heard piping away during the closing scene and during the credits. (Colin, sorry to say this,) but hearing the contemporary Carly felt like a musical anachronism. This movie takes place in the 1930's in Paris....for some reason having it end with "Anticipation Carly" bugged me. Julie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:55:26 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: NJC Boom Boom Hunt - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Heath To: Wally Kairuz Cc: joni@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 1:43 PM Subject: Re: Boom Boom Hunt >yeah, but what happened to the other testicle? > >cul Oh naughty Michael. You know quite well that it's the oversized olive in one of the martini glasses. WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:06:41 -0400 From: The Yarn Kollection Subject: Rich Exchange To All, Over the past year and counting this list has been one of the joys that life has thrown my way. The greatest joy of course comes from relating to my love for Joni and her music with others of like appreciation. - -- Faith versus fantasy Faith is when you believe that God will do what he knows is best.... Fantasy is when you believe that God will do what you think is best. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:59:38 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: SoCal Party Pictures are Here!!!! I've just taken a look at the pics, and they are terrific! I know this will sound silly, but Marsha you look exactly like the picture of you I had in my mind's eye; however, Patrick you look exactly the opposite of what I'd imagined. What a strange thing it is to correspond with people we end up attributing right or wrong faces to. I can't help imagining what everybody looks like. I've visited the gallery several times, and still the faces I "put" on many of you are always stronger in my memory. WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:41:48 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Tour pages on the JMDL Joniphiles - After much too long an absence - the May tour and taping pages are up on the JMDL site. Check them out at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/tour98.htm I'd like all the contributors to help me out with the proofreading. If you attended the concerts/tapings please give these pages a good once-over. Specifically, I need to know: 1) Did you post your thoughts to the list that didn't make it on these pages? 2) Is your post there but you'd prefer it not to be? 3) Is your name wrong? Would you prefer your full name to appear? 4) etc... etc... etc... If there are errors or admissions, please post me privately and I'll get them fixed. Thanks! Les Next project: The May '98 meet and greet pages.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:41:26 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: Tuck and Patti (NJC) IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > Get Marsha to crfoss the Mason-Dixon Line? > I suppose that's possible. Marsha once made it as far north as Pittsburgh, now > considered Confederate Gen. Doyle's high-water mark, and it is said that her > guns could be heard as far away as Gettysburg! > ;>) Actually I do qualify as a bonafide "Daughter of the Confederacy" with tracing my grandpappies of upper generations on BOTH sides of my family who served in that ignoble cause... but I reject that for membership in the Roller Derby! I am known as the Blonde Bombshell (remember her?) at Skatin' Jakes Fun Time Rink. Watch it, Mister...it's my rebel yell you're bound to hear. {{{{{{YeeeEEEEE.....HAAAAAAA!!}}}}}}}}}} MarshaMouth O' the South ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:04:19 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Tour pages on the JMDL Yay! It took our own Marsha and Pearl to finally capture some gorgeous shot of Joni! Great work!! Kakki > After much too long an absence - the May tour and taping pages are up on > the JMDL site. Check them out at: > > > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/tour98.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:16:52 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: NJC - YAKAQUOMB To all those who (whom? :-) have posted to me privately with words of wisdom and support, please accept my heartfelt thanks. Your thoughts mean more to me than you could know. *You Are Kings And Queens Undisputed Of Mind Beauty!* Scott ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #256 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?