From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #253 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Monday, July 13 1998 Volume 03 : Number 253 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Wedding Songs [evian ] RE: One more time ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: One more time [DSKittrell ] NJC Re: When is the Millenium?! [Don Sloan ] Millennium (NJC) [FredNow@aol.com] Wally!!!! [Don Sloan ] recommendations [evian ] Re: JT [Thomas Ross ] Re: Wildflowers to Joni and Albatross [Thomas Ross ] Re: Wedding Songs [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Wedding Songs [DSKittrell ] Re: One more time [Thomas Ross ] Re: NJC Re: When is the Millenium?! [catman ] Re: Wedding Songs [Slarty ] Recommendations (NJC) [simon@icu.com] Blue HDCD ReMaster [simon@icu.com] NJC Fwd: Ultimate Grammar Rules [Brian Gross ] NJC - Julie's party bracelets [Sue ] Joni on Alan Partridge [Hassan Zubairi ] The Last Time... [Hassan Zubairi ] re: Blue HDCD [Hassan Zubairi ] Mitchell, Baez et al [Hassan Zubairi ] NJC [Hassan Zubairi ] Re: One more time [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: NJC Re: When is the Millenium?! [catman ] Re: Blue HDCD ReMaster [catman ] Joni Converts [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: NJC - Julie's party bracelets [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Blue HDCD ReMaster [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: NJC - Julie's party bracelets [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: NJC - Julie's party bracelets ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Re: NJC Fwd: Ultimate Grammar Rules [Michael Heath ] Those kids in Canada ("Song for Sharon") [Mary Pitassi ] Re: Blue HDCD ReMaster ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] RE: NJC Ashley Judd [Bill Dollinger ] Re: corrective syndrome [Marsha ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:34:58 -0600 From: evian Subject: Wedding Songs Hi all, I am getting married this Saturday, and I need a little bit of advice about a wedding song! I am marrying a non-Joni person, but I am trying to find a good Joni song for the second dance. So, my idea is to have Tuck and Patti's "You Take My Breath Away" for the first dance, and then MAYBE "Night Ride Home" for the second one... NRH being the one Joni song that I find almost achingly romantic, besides "Underneath the Streetlight" (which would be waaaaay to hard to dance to). So, any other ideas for a good Joni song for the dance? I am way too tired to dig through my cds and search em all! Evian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 04:44:45 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: One more time Wally!!! So good to see a post from you again! My screen is glowing, and so is my heart. Love and terrific wishes, WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 03:48:45 -0400 From: DSKittrell Subject: Re: One more time Wally, It's great to hear from you again! and to know that you're feeling a little better. You've crossed my mind often and, not having heard anything for a while, I was getting a little concerned. Thanks for writing. I looked at the new photos -- that dancing one makes me smile (can't wait to see the video) -- and started reading again -- and smiling even more. Your reports, the pictures, the concertgoers' reports, the WHOLE WEB SITE, makes me very happy! I now want everyone to love Joni's music or at least be aware of it (instead of feeling like it's something so private), and am being out-loud enthusiastic about her. So, during a recent holiday road trip with sister, brother-in-law, and 3 nieces, we listened to the "Hits" tape I'd brought with me (instead of their usual country music, which is instantly forgettable I think). Brother-in-law (the driver) said he never liked Joni and she was putting him to sleep -- uh oh. It was fun seeing the 11-year-old listen so intently (to the first few songs anyway). The 14 yr old that I thought slept through it all asked to listen to the tape again when we started back to their house that evening. I asked her if she'd heard of Joni Mitchell before and she said yeah, and that all her friends like her. WOW! WHO KNEW? She later asked to listen to my LOTC CD, which then was nowhere to be found when it was time for me to go. I think she'd taken it when she went to visit a friend. Fine with me, I'm in a spread-the-word frame of mind -- all as a result, Wally, of your Joni web page. I didn't realize it until now, but it has certainly increased my appreciation for this most fantastic artist. And then, there are the proofreaders at work who, as I insistently tell them, are sure to love Night Ride Home -- all those English majors + Yeats -- well, you get the idea. Be well, Wally, and know what good effect your work is having. With much appreciation, DShea P.S. As an aside, since I have every CD, I'd never listened to all of "Hits" until this trip. I was really impressed by the order the songs are in and that there are so many. It made the music seem new again -- what a genius she is. P.P.S. How's my grammar? JUST KIDDING. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:02:33 -0700 From: Don Sloan Subject: NJC Re: When is the Millenium?! Oh, boy... I don't want to fuel a Mac/pee-cee war here on the Joni list, but for Colin's friend who (whom?) forsees the end of Apple: the pc world has been predicting the demise of Apple since the great *1984* ad. Still one of the most celebrated ads of all time, it introduced the Mac during The Super Bowl in 1984. Don NP on my Mac: Jefferson Airplane: Surrealistic Pillow ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 03:55:01 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Millennium (NJC) In a message dated 7/11/98 3:55:19 PM, hejira@lycosmail.com wrote: >>I used to think that too. However, I am now in my 40th year. When my >>40th birthday arrives I will be at the end of my 4oth year and >>beginning my 41st.So on dec 31st 1999, the 2,000th year will come to >>an end, and the 2001st year will start. new Year's Eve 2001 will be >>the end of the 1st year of the millenium. Jesus was not 1 year old >>till a year after his birth, so Jan1st 2000 will mean he would have >>been 2000yrs old, not 1999yrs old. Oy, now look what I've started ... actually, it has nothing to do with Jesus or the Year 2000 computer bug. As someone else noted, there was no Year Zero, the first year was Year 1, and a millennium consists of 1000 years, 1-1000. 1000 years are not complete until the 1000th year is *finished* ... therefore, this millennium is over when the 2000th year is over, which will be December 31, 2000. The first day of the new millennium is January 1, 2001 ... the "1" in 2001 is the first year, Year 1, of the new millennium. I love saying millennium. This is why Arthur C. Clarke wrote 2001: A Space Odyssey, not 2000: A Space Odyssey. He knew which end of the millennium his bread was buttered on. Don't get me wrong, now. I, too, like The Artist Formerly Known As Prince, wanna party like it's 1999, but want to do so with no illusions (at least, that I can avoid). For more complete info on the millennium, see Stephen Jay Gould's excellent book Questioning The Millennium. By the way, the Year 2000 computer bug is very real, and does occur on January 1, 2000, and has nothing to do with the change of millennium, or with Jesus. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:07:19 -0700 From: Don Sloan Subject: Wally!!!! Great to hear from you Wally! We've missed you! Be well and well-er every day. Don ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:58:45 -0600 From: evian Subject: recommendations What do you recommend listening to while: >1. Working out (for motivation?) 2. Walking (for duration and speed?) 3. >Dancing (for getting down?) 4. Cooking (for inspiration?) 5.Goat Dancing >for....well, you know? Working out: It depends on my mood, but I have made a few tapes that include Madonna (Yes, MADONNA!), like the remix of "Like a Prayer", which totally gets me moving, a few songs off her Bedtime Stories album, etc. Also, a few tunes from Bjork's first album, and a couple of tracks from various Stevie Nicks albums. Another good tape I made is mostly goth and industrial -- the 8 minute remix of Skinny Puppy's "Addiction" gets ya going, as well as Ministry's "Twitch" album, and the "Sisters of Mercy" greatest hits will keep ya moving! For Walking, I usually just grab an old tape of some of my old new wave stuff... Naked Eyes, Talk Talk, or New Order. However, James Taylor, even though it is slow, really takes some of the monotony outta walking. AND, last but not least, Kate Bush's "The Red Shoes", which will inspire you wherever you go! Dancing: 80's funk and dance music!!! Nothing like some Kool and the Gang, or Prince, or the Time, or Madonna, or my personal favorite, Grandmaster Flash's "White Lines", to inspire you to cut a rug! Also, I am a sucker for dancing to '80's new wave like the Cure, and New Order ("Blue Monday" will have ya sweating like a sailor!), the Sugarcubes, the Chamelions, and Yaz. Cooking: You can't cook without some JT, Joni, Kate Bush, Carly Simon or the RENT soundtrack! All of these allow you to sing from the top of your lungs while you stir the pots! The Motown Boxed-set is also a good cooking package! For "Well... You Know...." Nothing beats some Tuck and Patti, Billie Holiday, and good ole Luther Vandross! EVIAN NP - Valley Girl Soundtrack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 05:04:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Ross Subject: Re: JT swine swoon swiven. . . yes he minces little; but he's a Clapton freak; wants more of the burr on it. TR On Sat, 11 Jul 1998 TerryM2442@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/11/98 7:53:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rosst@union.edu > writes: > > << my brother-in-law disparages him as the 'Perry Como of the 70s', >> > > Agghhh! Like a dagger in my heart. > > Swooned, > Terry > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 05:09:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Ross Subject: Re: Wildflowers to Joni and Albatross strange to say: My daughter's name is Emeralda Albot Ross. She'll forgive me some day, or she'll be happy if she knows the Baudelaire poem. TR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 05:07:55 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Wedding Songs Evian, Congratulations to you and your betrothed! I think T&P's "...Breath Away" and NRH are excellent choices. I don't know how danceable it is, but Joni's "Love (Corinthians II:13)" from WTRF seems to be an ideal wedding song. Serendipitously, I and at least one other jmdler will attending a Tuck & Patti's concert celebrating their 20th anniversary of performing together on the day of your wedding. They will most likely perform your song and "Woodstock." Given a chance, I will mention your nuptial and music selection to them. I've known Tuck & Patti for awhile. I'm sure they'll get a kick out of that. Best of Luck To You and Yours, Julius In a message dated 98-07-13 03:42:10 EDT, evian@sk.sympatico.ca writes: << Hi all, I am getting married this Saturday, and I need a little bit of advice about a wedding song! I am marrying a non-Joni person, but I am trying to find a good Joni song for the second dance. So, my idea is to have Tuck and Patti's "You Take My Breath Away" for the first dance, and then MAYBE "Night Ride Home" for the second one... >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 05:11:21 -0400 From: DSKittrell Subject: Re: Wedding Songs evian wrote: > > Hi all, > I am getting married this Saturday, and I need a little bit of > advice about a wedding song! Congratulations! and best wishes to you both. For that second song, yes, I agree with you, Night Ride Home is a good choice, very romantic and danceable. Other ideas (don't know how danceable these are): "Solid Love" -- happy and romantic "Jericho" -- might be too unromantically earnest, but I love the "it's a rich exchange" "it's a warm arrangement" lines, and there is that connection to a Bible story "Love" -- I've heard the reading this is based on at many weddings. If it's part of your ceremony, it might be interesting to have it repeated by Joni at the after-ceremony celebration. (again that Biblical connection; sorry if my assumption that your wedding ceremony will include Bible readings is incorrect) Whatever you choose, have lots of fun on Saturday! Dancing to any Joni song is a wonderful way to start your new adventure. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 05:34:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Ross Subject: Re: One more time great to hear it, Wally! pumping for you. the Pastorius will be cool; gotta see. Any mention of 'Donna Lee'? I once worked out singing 'Indiana' while playing DL: f***ing hard! Tom Ross The Cormack & Ross Band's new CD 'global jazz songs' album *HORSE of STONE*, made possible by David Crosby, has excerpts and info at http://www.barncard.com/cormack-ross.html Mizazi Recordings Box 542 Middletown, CT 06457 "Sublime. . . fascinating vocal interplay, virtuoso instrumental work and deeply creative songwriting that blends classical Asian styles with contemporary and traditional Western motifs. . . had this actually been released and recognized when it was recorded, today's music might have a wholly different sound." J. Eric Smith, METROLAND ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:41:52 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC Re: When is the Millenium?! As far as I remember Roger saying, Appple shares are falling. Now I don't know if that is true. However, I can go to any number of shops around here and buy a pc. I cannot go anywhere and buy a Mac that i know of. Obviously one must be able to buy them but I haven't a clue where. that suggests to me that there is something amiss. Before you Macers get all hot under the collar, i have no where said macs are not good! just that the co seems to be in trouble, as I was told, and that buying one is diggicult. colin Don Sloan wrote: > Oh, boy... I don't want to fuel a Mac/pee-cee war here on the Joni list, > but for Colin's friend who (whom?) forsees the end of Apple: the pc > world has been predicting the demise of Apple since the great *1984* ad. > Still one of the most celebrated ads of all time, it introduced the Mac > during The Super Bowl in 1984. > > Don > NP on my Mac: Jefferson Airplane: Surrealistic Pillow ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 06:16:21 -0400 From: Slarty Subject: Re: Wedding Songs evian wrote: > Hi all, > I am getting married this Saturday, and I need a little bit of > advice about a wedding song! I am marrying a non-Joni person, but I am > trying to find a good Joni song for the second dance. > Congrats Evian I think a great song to dance to and especialy for a non-mitichellidian would be Come In From The Cold. A song about passion and with some good references to dancing. PS. I hope the Grammer Police aren't around. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 06:32:55 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Recommendations (NJC) Julie Z. Webb asks for recommendations >What do you recommend listening to while: > 1. Working out (for motivation?) > 2. Walking (for duration and speed?) > 3. Dancing (for getting down?) > 4. Cooking (for inspiration?) > 5.Goat Dancing (for....well, you know?) Duke Ellington! "It don't mean a thing, if it ain't got that swing" - ------- simon - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 06:33:43 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Blue HDCD ReMaster Colin wrote >I have one HDCD that I bought (actually two-it seems the MOA I bought >in Quebec City is HDCD-and it still doesn't have the dialogue), the only >difference I can tell is that it is louder. > >According to an article I just read, HDCD is crap and not enough >of a difference from a normal one. > >I won't bother buying one again, as I said I can only tell it is louder. Colin, several points. 1. does your copy of MOA have [HDCD] printed on the disc itself? if it doesn't, it isn't. the dialogue edited from the initial CD release of MOA *has* been restored to the HDCD re-issue. 2. the HDCD re-issues of Joni's albums are sonically superior. there is NO doubt about this. i know ~ i've done the A/B comparisons myself, using HDCD and non-HDCD copies of the same album. 'real-time' comparisons using two identical CD players, and adjusting for differences in volume. the re-issues do have a higher volume level, but one can easily correct for this when performing listening tests. 3. one CD (actually two) is not a representative sample. 4. the fact that you can't hear the difference (improvement) doesn't mean it's not there. 5. you say "According to an article I just read, HDCD is crap..." what article? what publication? i'd like to read this article. what is the authors' background and experience? anybody can write an article. doesn't necessarily mean he knows what he's talking about. remember some of bad reviews of Joni's recent concerts? 6. HDCD re-issues are NOT being sold at a premium prices. the copies of "Blue" i bought last week were selling for $11.99 and Tower had marked the non-HDCD copies down to $9.99 ~ better sound for the same money. 7. as more record companies and recording musicians utilize the new technology, you'll have no choice in purchasing these CD's. no one is issuing two versions. try finding non-HDCD versions of "Hits" or "Misses" or "Wrecking Ball" or "Medicine Ball". are you going to boycott "TTT" when released. obviously you don't need to replace your older copies of Joni's CD's with the new re-issues, but that's your loss. so be it. everyone is free to make their own purchasing decisions, but let me be clear about this ~ the HDCD re-issues of Joni Mitchell's albums are a clear 'Sonic' improvement over the previously released CD's. ALL of them, every single one. in some cases the difference is amazing! truly a new window and avenue of re-discovery into some of this music. now if Reprise would just start releasing titles on Vinyl LP's again. - ------- simon - ------- P.S. is this an example of "compulsive JONI corrective syndrome"? or is it just opinion and information. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 04:20:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: NJC Fwd: Ultimate Grammar Rules > > 1. Verbs HAS to agree with their subjects. > 2. Prepositions are not words to end sentences with. > 3. And don't start a sentence with a conjunction. > 4. It is wrong to ever split an infinitive. > 5. Avoid cliches like the plague. (They're old hat) > 6. Also, always avoid annoying alliteration. > 7. Be more or less specific. > 8. Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are (usually) unnecessary. > 9. Also too, never, ever use repetitive redundancies. > 10. No sentence fragments. > 1. Contractions aren't necessary and shouldn't be used. > 12. Foreign words and phrases are not apropos. > 13. Do not be redundant; do not use more words than necessary; it's highly > superfluous. > 14. One should NEVER generalize. > 15. Comparisons are as bad as cliches. > 16. Don't use no double negatives. > 17. Eschew ampersands & abbreviations, etc. > 18. One-word sentences? Eliminate. > 19. Analogies in writing are like feathers on a snake. > 20. The passive voice is to be ignored. > 21. Eliminate commas, that are, not necessary. Parenthetical words however > should be enclosed in commas. > 22. Never use a big word when a diminutive one would suffice. > 23. Kill all exclamation points!!! > 24. Use words correctly, irregardless of how others use them. > 25. Understatement is always the absolute best way to put forth earth shaking > ideas. > 26. Use the apostrophe in it's proper place and omit it when its not needed. > 27. Eliminate quotations. As Ralph Waldo Emerson said, "I hate quotations. > Tell > me what you know." > 28. If you've heard it once, you've heard it a thousand times: Resist > hyperbole; not one writer in a million can use it correctly. > 29. Puns are for children, not groan readers. > 30. Go around the barn at high noon to avoid colloquialisms. > 31. Even IF a mixed metaphor sings, it should be derailed. > 32. Who needs rhetorical questions? > 33. Exaggeration is a billion times worse than understatement. > > And finally... > > 34. Proofread carefully to see if you any words out. Brian === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 06:45:02 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: NJC Re: When is the Millenium?! You are right, Colin. I think it was the CEO before Steve Jobs that really screwed up Apple, but now Steve is in and I think (And a lot of Mac users) he can get us out of the hole. Best Buy used to sell Macs but, alas, now they don't. I love my Mac, but it can be incredibly aggrivating at times. Sorry, Mark with a monitor that shows no shades of red! ____________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |__________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:06:54 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Joni Re-Issues on Vinyl Simon, I have recently seen "new" Vinyl copies of clasic JM albums in some branches of HMV in the UK...Ladies Of The Canyon and Blue were the two I noticed, but there are apparently many more available. If you'd like, I could look into the details of this. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:43:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue Subject: NJC - Julie's party bracelets This is a message for all of the listers who attended Julie's party on April 18th. I have a question for you. Do you know where your bracelet is? The wonderful bracelet that our lovely hostess Julie gave us early in the evening? Mine is draped around my rearview mirror. That bracelet contains a secret tracking device placed inside the small black orbe by Jon Webb, computer wizard. He has been charting our every move since mid April. I strongly advise you to put on your bracelet, go to your computer, fire it up, and sing the lyrics to your favorite Joni song. This is the trick to deactivate the homing device. *IMPORTANT* If you fail to do this you will all end up at the Garden on August 15. As you may have noticed, Don, Mendi, and I have given in to the bracelet's all powerful commands. NP: Woodstock - CSNY Sue Cameron (Suze) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:45:40 +-100 From: Hassan Zubairi Subject: Joni on Alan Partridge Anybody catch Big Yellow Taxi on the first episode of Alan Partridge. It was the first song that the episode starts with and he comments that Joni doesn't quite know what she was going on about. If you paved paradise, you'd be able to get there easier (or words to that effect) Welcome Azeem! Nice to know that there are good people in the UK. Whereabouts are you? I'm in London. Hey maybe all of us could have our own Jonifest? Sumer is icumen in after all. Oh, y'know holidays and all that? Keep the postings JamieJake from London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:59:50 +-100 From: Hassan Zubairi Subject: The Last Time... Dear Mike (terstan) I'm not going to chide you on TLTISR but congratulate you on recognising it as a major song in the works of JM. I sometimes prefer the MOA version as she manages to get some humour in there as well as a sense of real despair in the arrangement. Listen to 'hiding behind bottles and dark cafes' section of the live and there in the music is the desperation of someone who doesn't realise that she is part of that scene, who is so wrapped up in the nightmare of her present situation that she can't see her way out. Her only excuse is that it's only a phase... Beautiful and sad. When I work in the agency (I also represent myself as well as other actors, when I'm not acting) and sign myself James Richard Mitchell to disguise the fact that we're a bunch of actors representing each other. Fully aware that Richard is Chuck's middle name which is why I'm doing it. All the best JamieJake Oh, what do they know about living in turbulent underwear? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:15:12 +-100 From: Hassan Zubairi Subject: re: Blue HDCD Hello Peeps, Does the HDCD version of Blue still have that cute 'lil crackle on This Flight Tonight?(I don't mean the tinny overtheheadphones singing.) Does your normal version have that cute 'lil crackle. Is it just me? What other HDCD's are out there: Is STAS on this format yet? I know if I could hear that album as clearly as Hits' Urge For Going there would certainly be a lotta goat dancin' goin' on. Also listening to my HDCD DJRD (oh, god, not that again) I was listening last night to Dreamland over the headphones (which are of superb quality) and I was quite tired after 3 hrs of dance rehearsal and I let the images sweep over me and suddenly I was totally intoxicated by the 'dream on dream on' montage that pops up after every coupla lines. I used to get the same experience after takin' some of that killer weed. Maybe I was just overly tired... But hey, the same experience w/out the drug! Hurrah! It literaly does send you to dreamland. I get something everyday. JamieJake It's a long, long way from Canada ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:44:09 +-100 From: Hassan Zubairi Subject: Mitchell, Baez et al On a British tv programme Face To Face With... the interviewee was Joan Baez. On it she said that one of the people she most admired was Joni Mitchell and Turbulent Indigo was never out of her cd player and how that she had always admired her music how she was always pushing the envelope of pop. Well, that proves it then doesn't it? As regards Rickie Lee, in a recent interview for The Guardian, ms Jones can be misquoted as saying that she doesn't like Joni Mitchell (or she is fed up of being mistaken for her). Rickie Lee's Ghostyhead (which she was touring here at the time) is an ocean away musically from anything she has done previously. How anyone can mistake RLJ for JM is beyond me. JM hasn't toured to the UK for years! Also, the line 'does your smile's covert complicity' makes much more sense to me. I had always read it as Do your smiles covert complicity? Debase as it admires? Hence the misreading. All the best to those who put me on the right track. JamieJake I've got a head full of quandry and a mighty mighty mighty thirst. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:48:23 +-100 From: Hassan Zubairi Subject: NJC Glad to hear from you Wally, Get well, get strong Love life, live long. Love together, lifelong All the best JamieJake ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:00:10 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: One more time In a message dated 7/13/98 1:09:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wallyb@well.com writes: << Now, I haven't been totally idle for the last few weeks. >> That's our Wally! Nothing keeps him down for long. Good to see you back!! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:25:16 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC Re: When is the Millenium?! I don't know why you are apologising. Were we arguing? colin ;-) Mark Domyancich wrote: > You are right, Colin. I think it was the CEO before Steve Jobs that really > screwed up Apple, but now Steve is in and I think (And a lot of Mac users) > he can get us out of the hole. Best Buy used to sell Macs but, alas, now > they don't. I love my Mac, but it can be incredibly aggrivating at times. > > Sorry, > Mark with a monitor that shows no shades of red! > > ____________________________________ > | Mark Domyancich | > | Harpua@revealed.net | > | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | > |__________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:25:22 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Blue HDCD ReMaster simon@icu.com wrote: > Colin wrote > > >I have one HDCD that I bought (actually two-it seems the MOA I bought > >in Quebec City is HDCD-and it still doesn't have the dialogue), the only >difference I can tell is that it is louder. > > > >According to an article I just read, HDCD is crap and not enough > >of a difference from a normal one. > > > >I won't bother buying one again, as I said I can only tell it is louder. > > Colin, > > several points. > > 1. does your copy of MOA have [HDCD] printed on the disc itself? > if it doesn't, it isn't. the dialogue edited from the initial > CD release of MOA *has* been restored to the HDCD re-issue. YES! It has HDCD printed on the CD itself. Still no dialogue. > > > 2. the HDCD re-issues of Joni's albums are sonically superior. > there is NO doubt about this. i know ~ i've done the A/B > comparisons myself, using HDCD and non-HDCD copies of the same > album. 'real-time' comparisons using two identical CD players, > and adjusting for differences in volume. the re-issues do have > a higher volume level, but one can easily correct for this when > performing listening tests. I listen with my ears. Niether sounds any different to me, cept one doesn't have to crank the volume! > > > 3. one CD (actually two) is not a representative sample. True > > > 4. the fact that you can't hear the difference (improvement) > doesn't mean it's not there. Maybe not-but it makes it pointless! > > > 5. you say "According to an article I just read, HDCD is crap..." > what article? what publication? i'd like to read this article. > what is the authors' background and experience? anybody can write > an article. doesn't necessarily mean he knows what he's talking > about. remember some of bad reviews of Joni's recent concerts? In an audio mag. No idea who wrote it. It was probably What hiFi or something similar. > > > 6. HDCD re-issues are NOT being sold at a premium prices. the copies > of "Blue" i bought last week were selling for $11.99 and Tower had > marked the non-HDCD copies down to $9.99 ~ better sound for the same > money. Well I live in the UK. Believe it or not things are different here. CD's cost a fortune -like $24 for an ordinary release. My MOA only cost about $13 and S&L the same. S&L here cost $70!!!! and MOA $35.(all $approx.) > > > 7. as more record companies and recording musicians utilize the new > technology, you'll have no choice in purchasing these CD's. no > one is issuing two versions. try finding non-HDCD versions of > "Hits" or "Misses" or "Wrecking Ball" or "Medicine Ball". > are you going to boycott "TTT" when released. I didn't say anything of the sort. I couldn't care less whether or not it is HDCD. The article merely pointed out that in their opinion it was a crappy con as the difference was neglible. As I cannot tell the difference myself I am not prepared to spend the extra cash. And here it is extra. > > > obviously you don't need to replace your older copies of Joni's > CD's with the new re-issues, but that's your loss. so be it. > > everyone is free to make their own purchasing decisions, but let me be > clear about this ~ the HDCD re-issues of Joni Mitchell's albums are a > clear 'Sonic' improvement over the previously released CD's. ALL of > them, every single one. > > in some cases the difference is amazing! > > truly a new window and avenue of re-discovery into some of this music. > > now if Reprise would just start releasing titles on Vinyl LP's again. > > ------- > simon > ------- > > P.S. is this an example of "compulsive JONI corrective syndrome"? > or is it just opinion and information. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:33:37 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Joni Converts Reading DShea's letter about playing Joni in the car made me think about how many of us might have stories about our successful attempts to convert those poor ignorant souls in appreciating our Joni. (Stay AWAY, grammar police) Last week I was driving with my bestest friend Lila. We were searching for a spot to do some landscape paintings. Since I was driving, I, of course, popped in a Joni cassette. Now I've tried this stunt before...for years, but it never worked. But this day, I turned on Hejira. What the heck, I thought. At least I'll give it another shot. Well, she loved it! Especially Blue Hotel Room! She made me stop the car in a parking lot so she could close her eyes and give it a good listen. Now I know what to buy her for Xmas. On the next painting venture, she brought HER tape- accordian music that was OUT of this world. I wish I'd saved that thread, cuz I'm wondering if someone had mentioned this fellow's name. (Can't recall it now). Great stuff. Anyone else have a good conversion story? Terry NP: wbw (welcome back wally!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:53:23 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC - Julie's party bracelets In a message dated 7/13/98 8:44:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, scam@freeway.net writes: << Do you know where your bracelet is? >> Mine is sitting on my nightstand. It can track everything I'm doing?? Uh oh. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:58:40 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue HDCD ReMaster In a message dated 98-07-13 06:32:46 EDT, simon@icu.com writes: << 4. the fact that you can't hear the difference (improvement) doesn't mean it's not there. >> Sorry, Simon, but I had to laugh at this statement. It's something like the falling tree in the empty forest question. If HE can't hear the difference, it may as well not be there. As an analogy, and no offense meant to Colin, but could a blind person tell the difference between a colorized version of "It's a Wonderful Life" and the original black-and-white? Simon, you must remember that not everyone has the level of quality in a sound system that you obviously have invested in, so maybe the differences are imperceptible to many or even most people. Conversely, it also is true that these re-issues are not at premium prices. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:08:42 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC - Julie's party bracelets In a message dated 98-07-13 09:57:17 EDT, TerryM2442@aol.com writes: << << Do you know where your bracelet is? >> >> What bracelet? I was there, didn't get a bracelet; just a name tag with a Joni picture on it. How did I miss out on the bracelets? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:15:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: NJC - Julie's party bracelets Because the boys got a Roy Rogers decoder ring! Jerry On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 98-07-13 09:57:17 EDT, TerryM2442@aol.com writes: > > << > << Do you know where your bracelet is? >> >> > > What bracelet? I was there, didn't get a bracelet; just a name tag with a Joni > picture on it. How did I miss out on the bracelets? > > Paul I > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:14:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: Blue HDCD ReMaster On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 98-07-13 06:32:46 EDT, simon@icu.com writes: > > << 4. the fact that you can't hear the difference (improvement) > doesn't mean it's not there. >> > > Sorry, Simon, but I had to laugh at this statement. It's something like the In fairness to simon, I think what he means is that not all cd players have an HDCD decoder in them but like many technological advancements (arguable) they will be part of the standard player and are planning for the future. In other words, you can't hear the difference now but will with newer cd players in the near future. Sort of like buying videos with Dolby ProLogic before you get a new receiver to hear the surround. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:15:34 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: NJC - Julie's party bracelets At 08:43 AM 7/13/98 -0400, you wrote: >Do you know where your bracelet is? The wonderful bracelet that our lovely >hostess Julie gave us early in the evening? Mine is draped around my >rearview mirror. >That bracelet contains a secret tracking device placed inside the small >black orbe by Jon Webb, computer wizard. He has been charting our every >move since mid April. I strongly advise you to put on your bracelet, go to >your computer, fire it up, and sing the lyrics to your favorite Joni song. >This is the trick to deactivate the homing device. And I thought **I** had a fertile imagination! I just bet our Suze Cameron-scamfreeway is a teacher loved by many a student for her creative spirit and playful mind! Anyhooo, so I wanted to pass out "favors" for the April Jonifest, and this saleswoman at an artist's emporium told me that "friendship bracelets" were really "in." I purchased 30 stringy bracelets with little orbs and wore them on my wrists, and forgot to past half of them out, because I was so caught up in the goings-on at the Jonifest. Sue, your "deactivating homing device" comment reminds me of my new favortie cartoon, "Dexter's Laboratory." If anyone has a chance to catch this on Cartoon Network, I guarantee you, you'll love it. -Julie ZWebb, who is so happy to hear that Wally is up and about. ps. thanks to everyone who have privately emailed me their music recommendations, however it's my guess that jmdlers would be interested in your musical selections as well. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:00:00 -0700 From: Michael Heath Subject: Re: NJC Fwd: Ultimate Grammar Rules Parfait, as they say! cul Brian Gross wrote: > > > > 1. Verbs HAS to agree with their subjects. > > 2. Prepositions are not words to end sentences with. > > 3. And don't start a sentence with a conjunction. > > 4. It is wrong to ever split an infinitive. > > 5. Avoid cliches like the plague. (They're old hat) > > 6. Also, always avoid annoying alliteration. > > 7. Be more or less specific. > > 8. Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are (usually) unnecessary. > > 9. Also too, never, ever use repetitive redundancies. > > 10. No sentence fragments. > > 1. Contractions aren't necessary and shouldn't be used. > > 12. Foreign words and phrases are not apropos. > > 13. Do not be redundant; do not use more words than necessary; it's highly > > superfluous. > > 14. One should NEVER generalize. > > 15. Comparisons are as bad as cliches. > > 16. Don't use no double negatives. > > 17. Eschew ampersands & abbreviations, etc. > > 18. One-word sentences? Eliminate. > > 19. Analogies in writing are like feathers on a snake. > > 20. The passive voice is to be ignored. > > 21. Eliminate commas, that are, not necessary. Parenthetical words however > > should be enclosed in commas. > > 22. Never use a big word when a diminutive one would suffice. > > 23. Kill all exclamation points!!! > > 24. Use words correctly, irregardless of how others use them. > > 25. Understatement is always the absolute best way to put forth earth shaking > > ideas. > > 26. Use the apostrophe in it's proper place and omit it when its not needed. > > 27. Eliminate quotations. As Ralph Waldo Emerson said, "I hate quotations. > > Tell > > me what you know." > > 28. If you've heard it once, you've heard it a thousand times: Resist > > hyperbole; not one writer in a million can use it correctly. > > 29. Puns are for children, not groan readers. > > 30. Go around the barn at high noon to avoid colloquialisms. > > 31. Even IF a mixed metaphor sings, it should be derailed. > > 32. Who needs rhetorical questions? > > 33. Exaggeration is a billion times worse than understatement. > > > > And finally... > > > > 34. Proofread carefully to see if you any words out. > > Brian > > === > "No paper thin walls > No folks above > No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" > > > yeah, right > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:04:24 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue HDCD ReMaster Jerry wrote: > In fairness to simon, I think what he means is that not all cd players > have an HDCD decoder in them but like many technological advancements > (arguable) they will be part of the standard player and are planning for > the future. Is a decoder necessary? Bummer. I play everything on through my computer's little speakers using its CD-ROM, and I thought I was hearing a difference in the HDCD's I recently bought: FTR, HOSL, and Mingus. I ordered these three, along with STAS, Clouds, and DED, through CD NOW as a present to myself, and I was simply and pleasantly surprised when the merchandise arrived and three happened to be HDCD format, because I didn't order them with the knowledge that they would be HDCD. I paid regular prices for everything (DED was a bargain at $6.95). I wonder if HDCD will go the way of dbx sound reduction, something that was popular in the 80s and which definitely DOES need a decoder to play back tapes recorded with it. Good luck finding a cassette deck with dbx technology these days ... Lori in San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:03:02 +0100 (BST) From: Jeremy Roberts Subject: Re: non-Wintel no-bugs (NJC) Mark wrote: > >All of you have it WRONG! The true Millenium is when the world as we know > >it ends, and that will happen when all the clock chips in the millions of > >computers all over the world roll from 99 to 00. Christ's birthday isn't in > >the picture! ;-) > > Those millions of computers will all be PCs! HA! HA! HA! > > Mark, avid Mac user Indeed - and as well as the Mac, the fabulous British wonder-computer, the *Acorn*. Qu: why does nobody seem to be *sueing* the makers of duff Millennium bug software?? Is there a reason for this, which I have missed hearing about? JR. - -- Jeremy Roberts : Running RISC-OS with an Acorn StrongArm Risc-PC in a Wintel-free Zone - you can help: Check Convergence International at http://www.convergence.eu.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:20:45 -0500 From: Mary Pitassi Subject: Those kids in Canada ("Song for Sharon") I caught a few minutes of a television program last night that piqued my curiosity and ultimately, sent me scurrying into my office to my Joni collection! The program ("Sixty Minutes"? something on at about the same time?) included a feature on construction workers who labor on some of the tallest buildings in New York. According to the show, a certain Native American tribe is heavily represented among these workers, who perform tasks at heights that would make most people shudder. The show suggested that members of this tribe--can't remember its name--seem to be blessed with both preternaturally good balance and the ability to concentrate deeply, which is absolutely necessary to do this work without getting spooked. Apparently, they have been employed in this fashion for generations: they were instrumental in constructing the Empire State Building. I'm extremely wary of any attempts to link ability to perform given tasks to race (the balancing skills), or even, to a lesser extent, to culture (which seemed to be implied in the show's comments on concentration). Even so, I could resist dragging out my worn copy of "Hejira." Sure enough, there were the lines that had never made sense to me before: "Little Indian kids on a bridge up in Canada, they can balance and they can climb Like their fathers before them, they'll walk the girders of the Manhattan skyline." Anyone know anything more about this, including what Joni may have intended by these lines? And did anyone see the complete segment last night? Curious, Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:24:29 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: A Big Bag O'Responses... Another Monday morning, and a stack of Joni stuff to respond to: 1. Thanks to Phil for explaining the Noel Coward/Winston Churchill story. 2. Geez, you mean I agree with Al on something? :) >So, Jan 1, 2001 is the true 2000th; ie, Millenial birthday party. :) 3. Ric asked about Hedge & Donna. Wow. Early May, 1970, the shootings at Kent State have just happened, Pasadena City College is seething, and someone organizes a peace rally/Kent State memorial event, featuring... Hedge & Donna! They were great! And I got some great up-close pictures. Don't know what happened to them, though. Tried a web search? 4. Ashara asked about compiling all of Joni's stories about the songs. Yes! I suggested something like this after the tapings and sent this list everything I could remember...particularly the Hejira stories. I would gladly participate in this project. Best to all, specially Wally!!! ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:32:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: Blue HDCD ReMaster On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 LRFye@aol.com wrote: > Is a decoder necessary? Bummer. I play everything on through my computer's No, not necessary. The technology is compatible with present cd technology. The debate is whether there is an improvement without the decoder. Of course, what simon sez is true, that the extra artwork, original dialogue and/or tracks, and packaging on the HDCD versions are worth something beyond sonics. Again, for those interested I strongly recommend New and Improved, a column in the July Stereo Review for those interested. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:27:49 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: Mitchell, Baez et al Hassan Zubairi wrote: > > On a British tv programme Face To Face With... the interviewee was > Joan Baez. On it she said that one of the people she most admired was > Joni Mitchell and Turbulent Indigo was never out of her cd player and > how that she had always admired her music how she was always pushing > the envelope of pop. > Well, that proves it then doesn't it? Except that I wonder what Joni would think of being thrown in with that packet of "pop"dom? Maybe that is also one of the reasons she is rather dismissive of awards like the Grammy, as they tend to catagorize and place genres into slots. Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:42:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Dollinger Subject: RE: NJC Ashley Judd On Sun, 12 Jul 1998, Michael Yarbrough wrote: > << Judd.>>> > > I wonder what Bolton sold to the devil to win that match... Lots of hair.... bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:47:11 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: corrective syndrome Deb Messling wrote: [as I made the point about the jmdl jonilist being used for research purposes and fact-finding for surfers on the net, I said] > I don't think the discussion list could realistically be viewed as > you say. [then Deb said] > Yes it could! Nobody has the final word on how to define this list. > Some use it primarily as a source of information, not community. Of course no one has the final word in defining a list, except for the list owner, and that point gets made all the time when folks post telling others what to do and not do here. That is why is it comical to see "I get tired of seeing blah, blah, blah, posted here! Please stop it!" and "Suppose Joni smelled this fart?" and "researchers are going to think we stink here" > In any case, I don't see anything wrong with correcting an error of > fact. If someone says "Court and Spark was produced by Tom Scott," > or "If you really love Joni's piano, buy Hejira," then for the sake > of newbies, lurkers and search engine trollers, I wouldn't want > those statements to stand uncorrected, as long as the correction > doesn't start off with "hey stupid." Exactamento, Fred. It's the tone certain ones take to do the correcting for some purpose that serves to inhibit and DECREASE spontaneity and good feelings about actively posting to our list that's the rub. > Fred Walzenfree Cute! Marsha ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #253 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?