From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #247 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, July 10 1998 Volume 03 : Number 247 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Let me bitch for a moment... [Thomas Ross ] Re: Lucinda Williams, NJC [Thomas Ross ] Re: A Get Well Parody for Wally [RMuRocks@aol.com] JMDL get together in South Africa ["RODNEY STEINHOFEL" ] Re: coyote sam? (& pretty joni shops vinnie van gogh) ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Re: NJC: !! Leslie Mixon's Birthday !! [Mark Domyancich ] Words/Who,Whom (NJC) ["Daugherty, Stephen" ] Joni's right to bare arms [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Re: Words/Who,Whom (NJC) ["Julie Z. Webb" ] fair weather fans [Marsha ] bad grammah [Michael Heath ] Re: Words/Who,Whom (NJC) [Mark Domyancich ] Re: NJC Nicolette Sheridan [WombQueen@aol.com] Re: NJC Nicolette Sheridan [Marsha ] Re: NJC Nicolette Sheridan [jan gyn ] artifice, brutality, and innocence ["Deb Thornton" ] Joni-Maloney [jw1327 (by way of Les Irvin ] Re: Innocence as a great stimulant. [Bounced Message ] H.elp me out with Joni tape [Bounced Message ] Re: Innocence as a great stimulant. [Linda Brady ] Re: SoCal Party Pictures are Here!!!! [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] essential joni (which one(s) should it be!) [Gellerray@aol.com] IMHO! [Gellerray@aol.com] A Day In The Garden [simon@icu.com] Paprika Plains, Out-of-Tune Piano [simon@icu.com] Re: A Day In The Garden [Sue ] Happy Birthday, Leslie Mixon! [JRMCo1@aol.com] otherness [Marsha ] Re: Let me bitch for a moment... [The Yarn Kollection ] Re: Words/Who,Whom (NJC) [briano@interisland.net (Odlum, Brian)] Re: Words/Who,Whom (NJC) [Mark Domyancich ] Pachyderm [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Words/Who,Whom (NJC) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Kudos to Brian and Greg ["Eric G. Postel" ] Joni Mitchell Never Lies [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: A Day In The Garden [JRMCo1@aol.com] re: SoCal Party Pictures are Here!!!! [Robert Holliston ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 04:13:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Ross Subject: Re: Let me bitch for a moment... yeah it's a drag. she'll play more in a better setting. . .I hope. Much as I like her, I can think of *nobody* except maybe Charlie Parker I'd pay that much to hear. Maybe my teacher, Amir Khan (2 dead guys). TR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 04:29:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Ross Subject: Re: Lucinda Williams, NJC cool - - I'm getting moved to buy it. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:17:40 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: A Get Well Parody for Wally Marsha, it's always exciting to get high praise from the MoP... Bob, apprentice oP ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:29:49 +0000 From: "RODNEY STEINHOFEL" Subject: JMDL get together in South Africa Hi all, just a note to say that the two active lurkers from S.A. got together on Friday 3rd June at 19.30.....me met at cafe Verdi, an old Chelsea Village in the suburb of Wynberg. We ordered some wine, found a table, sat and chatted quite freely about all things Joni........the list ......Joni content, the threads.....non Joni content.....the concerts and the taping that have just taken place...we are both very green with envy at the opportunities that have been available for experiencing her live.......on a personal note, it's my view that a performance at a live show should never sound like the recorded version....whats the point? This was also the first time ever that I've been able to talk and discuss Joni, her music and what it mean to me,with another Joniphile .......I'm shure you all know the feeling I'm very inadequately trying to describe. Lesley Watson.........what a lovely person......very easy to talk to......with very definite opinions on all subjects especially Joni. The evening closed at about 2.00 am (after a few visits from Mr Jack Daniels) with promises to swop all the tapeings we have received from list members......(again on a personal note I want to thank Ashara and Rob Jordan for everything they have sent me......your * stuff * will arrive....never fear) I also want wish Lesley a happy birthday for last Sunday ...best wishes...hope it was * sunny * Regards, Rodney S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 12:05:58 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni at the Garden To put things in a little perspective-if I were to go to the garden it would cost me $1000's!! colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 07:22:48 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: coyote sam? (& pretty joni shops vinnie van gogh) At 12:37 AM 7/9/98 EDT, Gellerray wrote: >and a writer. finally, after avoiding the subject for awhile, i asked who his >friend was and he said sam shepard. >seemed--in Maine. and i was like o, yeah--the Bay of Fundy! apaloosas and >eagles and tides! Oh yea, I remember now, Sam mentioned the Bay of Fundy on the tv special, and I think I heard him comment that he went to high school with Charles Mingus Jr., who later he shared an apartment with in New York in the early 60's when his life revolved around the beginnings of experimental theater and jazz clubs----where he was a bus boy fetching drinks for Nina Simone while she performed. -Julie, who hoid from a boid that it's Leslie Mixon's boithday ...............happy bd, LM...................... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:59:23 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: LJC Sam Shepherd Julie- I saw this last night! It was a really good show! I got to see a little bit on Mingus and then they showed Mingus' son. I never knew he had one! I can't wait to see the next part! At 10:12 PM -0500 7/8/98, Julie Z. Webb wrote: > Note that today and tomorrow, PBS is showing a documentary on the >writing life of Sam Shepherd, titled "Stalking Myself," I think. Saw part >one and can't help but feel that he's the kind of writer/poet that Joni >would be drawn to. He reminds me of Kerouac too. > Julie ____________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |__________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:03:50 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: NJC: !! Leslie Mixon's Birthday !! Leslie- You are a fantastic photographer (I still can't get over those awesome photos you did for the tour) and such a nice person for hooking me up with the Hejira song book! Happy birthday! Mark At 11:38 PM -0400 7/8/98, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: >A big happy birthday wish goes out to Leslie Mixon. > >You're not getting older, you're getting better! Thanks for keeping us >posted on Wally's health. A tip of the cyber-hat to her husband Steve >for spilling the beans. Have a great day Leslie! >-- >All the best, >Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ____________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |__________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 09:28:08 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: LJC Sam Shepherd At 06:59 AM 7/9/98 -0500, Mark wrote: >I saw this last night! It was a really good show! I got to see a little bit >on Mingus and then they showed Mingus' son. I never knew he had one! I >can't wait to see the next part! Ya know, now Im not sure if there is a part two. Didn't see it listed in this morning's paper. Could be they ran the whole documentary in one night here in Pittsburgh. Yes it was interesting to watch this sexy, misanthropic, cowboy poet of alienation, but there was a part of me that couldn't help but think how creative, magnetic people, may be blessed in one way, but may make very difficult companions and parents. Isn't it amazing that a whole documentary of a MAN/Father can include every nuance/high point of his life, but nothing mentioned about his fathering. Can you imagine, a woman who is also a mother, profiled in a documentary with no mention of her children? (Yes, I realize he is very guarded about his personal life in some respects.) But, Im projecting here. For those who hate tabloid fair, stop reading. I imagine Sam saying to Jessica Lange from their ranch in Montana, "I have to be in LA next week, and you know Im afraid to fly, so I'll be taking the pickup for a road trip. Ill be back next month." Jessica drops of the dry cleaning, the kids off at school, the dog to the vet and Barishnokov's daughter at her ballet class, AND comes back home looking at his dirty laundry smoldering. "He's got a woman at home, he's got another down the hall. He seems to want ME anyway," Julie, Don Juan's Fertile Daughter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:28:30 -0500 From: "Daugherty, Stephen" Subject: Words/Who,Whom (NJC) Howard Motyl Posted... <4. Can we begin a discussion on the uses of "who" and "whom"? Please? It drives me crazy. I saw a post that said "with whoever" and it was like chewing aluminum foil. Use "whom" after a preposition--who is subjective, whom is objective. Is that so hard? So the phrase above should read "with whomever". so nice, isn't it? > Not having seen one post giving positive feedback on your post, Howard, here is my $.02. God bless good grammar and those that attempt it. Guilty of post/speak so often, we working stiffs often fail to correctly cover our tracks, grammatically. At least the recognition that good grammar is important and should be watched is admirable. I can just see my kids writing their resumes at age 21... educashun - 4 yrs @ most exsellent collage interists - web surfin, writing, business, other acomplishements - begun my owned business... and so on.. sorry, guess I digressed on the subject... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:37:08 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Joni's right to bare arms What's all this about Joni's right to bare arms? Personally speaking, she can bare her arms, legs and any other part she likes for me :) What? Ohhhhh, that's different! Nevermind. Emiy Litella - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 10:52:26 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: Words/Who,Whom (NJC) At 09:28 AM 7/9/98 -0500, Stephen wrote: >Guilty of post/speak so often, we working stiffs often fail to correctly >cover our tracks, grammatically. I say that it is better to post/speak than not to post at all. I too am an admirer (sp?) of good grammar, but I celebrate the impulsivity of email. I often assume that posters, like me, are doing a dozen other things while on line, so I rationalize that grammar/spelling mistakes are part of the post/speak culture. Right now, I have my kids in the room, the phone was ringing, a fax came thru, a children's video is playing, I've got my husband from the office IMing me---giving me something to do on AOL Instant Messenger as Im researching something on the internet. Get the picture? Julie, off to the pool after lunch ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 10:54:01 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: fair weather fans Thomas Ross wrote: > Much as > I like her, I can think of *nobody* except maybe Charlie Parker I'd pay > that much to hear. That's seems unfortunate, Tom. Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 07:58:13 -0700 From: Michael Heath Subject: bad grammah Grammar only matters if it impedes communication. Otherwise it reminds me of this: Woman with unlit cigarette between two fingers poised in front of her lips says to the man standing nearby at the party, " A gentle man always offers a lady a light." The man looks at her, raises one eyebrow and, while pulling at the cuffs of his tuxedo, replies,"And a lady never mentions it if he doesn't". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:37:31 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Words/Who,Whom (NJC) > I often assume that posters, like me, are doing a dozen other things >while on line, so I rationalize that grammar/spelling mistakes are part of Like typing with broken/bandaged fingers or trying not to dump any food or drink in the keyboard. "The fingers you have used to dial are too fat. Please smash the keypad with your palm now to order a special dialing wand." From an episode of "The Simpsons." ____________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |__________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:37:26 EDT From: WombQueen@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Nicolette Sheridan In a message dated 98-07-08 20:23:05 EDT, Mark writes: << Is she the same woman who has ungodly sized boobs and married some old dude? (Sorry for the term in advance!) Mark >> I think you're thinking of Anna Nicole Smith. Icky-pooky. - --Womby ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 11:48:57 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: NJC Nicolette Sheridan WombQueen@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 98-07-08 20:23:05 EDT, Mark writes: > > << Is she the same woman who has ungodly sized boobs and married some old > dude?>> > > I think you're thinking of Anna Nicole Smith. Icky-pooky. Do we not have compassion for the blondes among us with bust measurements exceeding their IQ's? Please, they are people too, and they have feelings... Marsha, grateful for Nice-n-Easy #101, Mensa, and my mammaries ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 20:55:40 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: NJC Nicolette Sheridan At 08:40 PM 7/8/98 -0300, you wrote: >In 1990, she was chosen by People magazine as one of the 50 Most Beautiful >People in the world >Nicolette's birthday is November 21. Should we start preparing a tribute >tape for her too? >WallyK > How about a tape that would fit over her inflated mouth? - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:03:45 -0600 From: "Deb Thornton" Subject: artifice, brutality, and innocence Joni Folk, I can't resist commenting on the question about the three great stimulants. The first two are obvious, but it is the third, and most perplexing to some, that shows Mitchell's genius. Our lady of duality doesn't always like things in two's and she's pretty good at the triads: "He is three, one in the middle unmoved..." comes immediately to mind. I remember buying DED when it was released and looking at the title and wondering if it meant drugs, sex, and rock and roll or coffee, caffeine, and speed, so of course i was way down the wrong road on it, but that is why i'm not an artist. The combination is stunning on an album that looks so closely at out collective malaise. First, artifice: the great allure, the hope of being something one isn't, the dream of being something one can never be, and then becoming it, temporarily, destructively. To embrace artifice is to enter into the Life Lie that so many philosophers and artists have explored. You make a pact with the devil; you sever your self from your essence, and your authentic self yields to an impersonator. Always, the house divides against itself. The main end of artifice is some sort of brutality. By objectifying yourself, you can now justify objectifying others, and the end result of that is always brutality. The inward, uncomprehending violence turns outward and unleashes itself on . . . who else? The innocent. The target. The unassuming, the entity who cannot sever with self. Always the adversary of artifice is innocence. So a logical sequence, very much like our grammatical structure of subject, verb, object, unfurls in the form of the three great stimulants, and we have even more evidence of the genius Mitchell is. old ideas, new medium, deb thornton "What's his type?" "Drunk with two pistols; makes his wife answer the telephone." --Eudora Welty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 10:43:05 -0600 From: jw1327 (by way of Les Irvin ) Subject: Joni-Maloney Hi Guys: I posted this once to the group but it seems to have gotten lost in cyber-space. Hope it isn't too out-of-date: >From the New York Daily News, July 6, 1998 A Joni-Maloney Duet: Joni Mitchell got together with the Chieftains' Paddy Maloney the other day to cut a version of the songstress' "Magdalene Laudries" for the Irish folk ensemble's forthcoming "Tears of Stone" album. "Magdalene Laundries" refers to notorious homes for unwed mothers in Ireland. (with reports by Stephanie DuBois) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:57:07 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: JC: P.S. to Danny Kate wrote: > Screw T-master, but find a different/later >way to do it. See Joni, with other like-minded >folks! My feelings exactly. Dave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 09:53:09 -0700 From: Julie Blau Subject: Re: LJC Sam Shepherd Julie Z. Webb wrote: > Note that today and tomorrow, PBS is showing a documentary on the > writing life of Sam Shepherd, titled "Stalking Myself," I think. Saw > part > one and can't help but feel that he's the kind of writer/poet that > Joni > would be drawn to. He reminds me of Kerouac too. > Julie I adore Sam, he is a wonderful writer and actor. I'm so sad I missed the show on PBS, I'm hoping they replay it. (If anyone taped it, please let me know.) I saw in the TV Guide that they also showed, after the documentary, a great movie version of one of his plays, True West, with the most extraordinary performance by John Malkovich that you may ever see. Gary Sinise also stars. Just to interject some Joni Content, I think Sam could be "Coyote." Of course, he probably never had contact with Joni, but I just thought I'd throw that in... Julie B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 11:24:03 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Innocence as a great stimulant. From: "John Villasana" Subject: Re: Innocence as a great stimulant. I've often wondered about this one to. Perhaps Joni is alluding to the idea that when you are innocent, you are not restrained by fear. John Villasana ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 11:38:51 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: H.elp me out with Joni tape From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Help me out with Joni tape Okay list, your assignment, should you choose to accept it, is to h.elp me plan a mix tape of Joni for a good friend and fabulous guitar player. I have given him "Night Ride Home" and "Hissing of Summer Lawns" ... and I'm going to put together a 90-minute mix tape of "Essential Joni". I'm thinking a career-spanning collage from STAS through Turbulent Indigo (minus the stuff he's already got). I'm only imposing two conditions, and here they are: 1. No "hits", or "standards" if you prefer 2. In the interest of quantity, I'm going to try and keep most selections under the 7:00 mark, if possible. Have at it! Can't wait to hear your thoughts. I'll post the finished program to the list when I'm done. Thanks! :-) D Rowe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:44:06 +0100 From: Linda Brady Subject: Re: Innocence as a great stimulant. I once heard an interview with Joni around the time of Dog Eat Dog and she said that "innocence" was the worst of the 3 because we crave youth and naivetie (sp?) as we age; eg, mid-life crises lead to affairs with young girls. And that as a society we respect youth and lack of experience more than we respect age and wisdom. This is paraphrasing, but it was the gist (sp?!) of what she was saying. Incidentally, she played a beautiful acoustic version of this song at Farm Aid in 85, I think..then she went to the piano and played "Dog Eat Dog," solo, and it really showed me how good the songs were. Especially since the studio versions were so heavily produced. But solo, they were absolutely lovely. Linda - ---------- > From: Bounced Message > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Innocence as a great stimulant. > Date: 09 July 1998 18:24 > > From: "John Villasana" > Subject: Re: Innocence as a great stimulant. > > I've often wondered about this one to. Perhaps Joni is alluding to the > idea that when you are > innocent, you are not restrained by fear. > > John Villasana > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:44:18 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: Joni on Letterman Question - --WebTV-Mail-384936302-92 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit It was 11/4/96 according to the Video Tree box. NP: The Tape of the Day: Bruce Hornsby: 7/9/97 Toronto - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html - --WebTV-Mail-384936302-92 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.92]) by postoffice-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/po.gso.24Feb98) with ESMTP id OAA14022; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:14:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from siren.shore.net (siren.shore.net [207.244.124.5]) by mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with SMTP id OAA23461; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smoe.org [204.167.97.154] by siren.shore.net with esmtp (Exim) id 0yu1X3-0002Q1-00; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:13:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id RAA16745; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:13:26 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id RAA16719 for joni-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onramp.freeway.net (onramp.freeway.net [206.153.72.40]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id RAA16714 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.153.79.76] (PM103-27.freeway.net [206.153.79.76]) by onramp.freeway.net (8.8.7/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA03605; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:12:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: scam1@freeway.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mark Domyancich From: Sue Subject: Re: Joni on Letterman Question Cc: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni@smoe.org Reply-To: Sue Precedence: bulk >Hi- > >Does anyone know when last night's Letterman appearance was originally aired? > >Thank you, > Mark, Mel and Dave referenced the show as being a day before the last presidential election. Sue Cameron (Suze) - --WebTV-Mail-384936302-92-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:51:11 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Words/Who,Whom (NJC) In a message dated 98-07-09 11:39:14 EDT, Harpua@revealed.net writes: << I often assume that posters, like me, are doing a dozen other things >while on line, so I rationalize that grammar/spelling mistakes are part of Like typing with broken/bandaged fingers or trying not to dump any food or drink in the keyboard. >> That can explain bad spelling but not poor grammar. Bad grammar generally results from poor education, lack of interest or unclear thinking. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 14:10:28 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: SoCal Party Pictures are Here!!!! Hi, folks! Due to technical difficulties beyond our control, the party pics from Southern California gatherings and the Jonishow descriptions have been delayed, but you can see a few of our best early shots of the revelers at: http://www.jmdl.com/gallery/socal980521.htm and http://www.jmdl.com/gallery/socal980522.htm So check them out! We also have some fabulous shots at the Joni taping, hopefully to be put up very soon! Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:37:17 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: SoCal Party Pictures are Here!!!! Great pictures! I love the one of Masha & Mariana with the flowers. Very funny. And Mariana, you are beautiful both inside (which I already knew) and out (which I can now confirm). His loss, for certain. The rest of you are beautiful too. Dave NP: Tape of the Day: The Grateful Dead's Last Show: 7/9/95 Soldier's Field, Chicago. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:45:25 EDT From: Gellerray@aol.com Subject: essential joni (which one(s) should it be!) off the top of my head: three great stimulants people's parties car on a hill for the roses borderline (i would say job's sad song but i know that's over six mins) case of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! cotton avenue (sans overture for time?) snakes and ladders?/beat of black wings?tea leaf prophecy? (which one should it be)! dry cleaner from des moines or wolf that lives in linds (w.o.s.i.B?!!!) marcie (or, for a little upbeat tempo, night in the city?--w.o.s.i. B???!) moon at the window shadows and light i say ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:52:42 EDT From: Gellerray@aol.com Subject: IMHO! o--under seven minutes--then by all means keep the overture on cotton ave and BY ALL MEANS job's sad song should be on there! (IMHO). It's only 7:07. and especially since he's already got hissing so you don't need to give him shadows and light. (which, you know, has that kind of epic closure feel like job's song does). imho ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:07:21 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: A Day In The Garden Donovan has been added to the schedule. SATURDAY, AUGUST 15 9:00 am    Gates Open/Food & Crafts 11:00 am    Donovan 12:00 noon Richie Havens 1:00 pm    Lou Reed 3:00 pm    JONI MITCHELL 5:00 pm    Pete Townshend 7:30 pm - 9:00   Aftershow activities T.B.A. thought you'd all like to know. - ------- simon - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:07:59 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Paprika Plains, Out-of-Tune Piano the out-of-tune piano on the song 'Paprika Plains' was recently mentioned. i found an old post last night while going thru some files. here 'tis. >JMDL DIGEST: Vol. #3 / #84 > >From: simon@icu.com >Subject: Paprika Plains >Date: Fri. Feb. 20 1998 > >Ken asked: >>______________________________________________________________________ >>Once I heard about it being Joni as the Black guy on the cover of DJRD >>I wondered if it would have been as well accepted and marveled at if >>she had dressed up as a Black woman. >>______________________________________________________________________ > >why not? > >BTW: Joni told Vic Garbarini: > > "I thought i was Black for about three years. I felt like there > was a Black poet trapped inside me. I saw the primitive > juxtaposed against the modern, the gears grinding and the > beboppers with the junky spit running down their trumpets." > >RE: JONI MITCHELL Is A Nervy Broad: > >VG: And yet people on that creative edge transcend stylistic and generic > differences; they recognize a fellow spirit. After all, Charles > reached out for you, didn't he? > >JM: Yeah. He liked...some things about me. > >VG: Such as? > >JM: He thought I had a lot of nerve (laughs). He was critical of some > things I was doing as well, but he was critical of his own work, too. > >VG: What made him think you were nervy? > >JM: Two things: he thought I had a lot of nerve to be dressed up like a > Black dude on the cover of Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. He couldn't > get over that. He was sort of thrilled by it. The other thing was > the piece "Paprika Plains," which made him mad at one level, and kind > of interested him on another. What happened was I hadn't played piano > for a few years, and in January, just before making that album, I > called up my producer and said, "Henry, we've got to go in the studio > right now because for some inexplicable reason I'm playing piano better > than I have any right to be. I can't hit a wrong note." What I'd done > was give myself a freeing lesson and said to myself, "Everything > resolves to C; no matter where you go you can't hit a wrong note, just > go home to C." We went in the studio and cut this thing four times. > It was a trance-like situation. The four improvisations we recorded > all clocked in at between twenty-nine and thirty-one minutes, so my > attention span each time was almost exactly the same. From those four > performances I edited together a piece that was to become the bridge > for "Paprika Plains" and months later I wrote a song in which I > inserted this segment. In the meantime the piano had been retuned a > number of times. Then I gave the piano piece with lyrics to an > arranger who added strings. The strings begin in the January section > of the piano piece, but when they hit the October part, the piano > tuning has changed, so the strings have no chance to retune as they > cross over. That really infuriated Charles. "The orchestra's out of > tune ... they're in tune, they're out of tune!" Well, that drove > him crazy (laughs). So he thought I was a nervy broad. > >VG: Speaking of nerve, do you usually trust your creative impulses, even > if you can't explain them to others? Or to yourself, for that matter? > >JM: Oh, yeah, I work from intuition, so I'm always flying blind and looking > to be thrilled. Waiting for the magic to happen. I think it's easier > to recognize the truly spectacular from an intuitive position than from > your intellect, which is linear, dealing only with knowledge of the > past projected into the future. > >VG: With all the attention we pay to the intellect in this society ... > >JM: ... A vastly overrated instrument, the intellect, > I get bugged when people call me an intellectual (laughs). > ______________________________________________________________ > MUSICIAN Magazine, No. 51, Jan. 1983 > Joni was Interviewed by Vic Garbarini > >the complete text can be found on the JMDL Website @ > >------- > simon >------- > >* Remember, there's a difference between kneeling down > and bending over -- FZ >__________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:42:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue Subject: Re: A Day In The Garden Simon wrote: > > >SATURDAY, AUGUST 15 > > 9:00 am Gates Open/Food & Crafts >11:00 am Donovan >12:00 noon Richie Havens > 1:00 pm Lou Reed > 3:00 pm JONI MITCHELL > 5:00 pm Pete Townshend > >7:30 pm - 9:00 Aftershow activities T.B.A. > > >thought you'd all like to know. > > Listers, I just got the schedule for the 7:30 - 9:00 time period, tailgait party at Don's RV! Thought you would all like to know! P.S. Hey Don, hope this is o.k. Sue Cameron (Suze) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:48:57 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Happy Birthday, Leslie Mixon! Just wanted to add my voice to the chorus...'happy biiiiiirrrrrthday, dear Lessssssliiiie. Happy biiiirrrrthdaaaay to you! I had the pleasure of sitting next to Leslie and husband Steve at the Joni show in San Jose. Delightful couple. Leslie's beautiful photo of Joni from that concert now graces my bedroom wall. And she's an accomplished singer, too! Happy birthday and many more, Leslie. And many more... - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 19:51:40 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: otherness simon@icu.com wrote: > >BTW: Joni told Vic Garbarini: > > > > "I thought i was Black for about three years. I felt like there > > was a Black poet trapped inside me. I wonder if that was when she was dating Don Alias... Uh oh. Now Al Nino's gonna have a field day with this one! ;-D Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 21:30:43 -0400 From: The Yarn Kollection Subject: Re: Let me bitch for a moment... LRFye@aol.com wrote: > Danny wrote: > > > I have to now seriously contemplate whether it is worth my hard earned and > all to small paycheck to go to this show. > > Having already shelled out $400+ for five tickets ... ... and about > to commit to a $300 plane ticket ... ... and $150 for two nights' stay in > Ferndale, ... ... cost or the shared cost of renting a car, the > total dollars I'm about to spend to see Joni -- who I have seen once before -- > is rapidly approaching two weeks' pay for me ... ... Hi All. Lori, I can certainly relate to your point of view on this one. For the Washington adventure (a chance I was not willing to take a miss on) I can now say that the cost came to well over $6,000 for two people. Up to that time I had never seen Joni live. > Will it be worth it? I believe it will. The chance to see Joni sing at Max > Yasgur's farm and the opportunity to meet many wonderful people from this list > makes it so. Once again Joni's own words come in to play: "Life is for learning" "Life is our cause" We all choose what makes something of value to us. Ones mind set, ones openness. What we bring and what we take away. Expectations or the lack of. The meanings can be as varied in number as the count of grains in a hand full of sand. But the joys received from my Washington adventure far, far exceeded any downers or disappointments. The joys connected to the Jonifest in April, are life time special memories. Both these events connected to my love for Joni will always hold values that money or time spent can never depreciate.I'm UP! UP! UP! for "A Day In The Garden" Up for meeting and connecting with old and new friends from the JMDL. Life is for living. I glad Joni is finally giving us some opportunities to see and hear her. Thus giving us also cause to gather with each other. > The question I would ask is: if you can go but choose not to go, will you > regret it later? That has been and continues to be, with in reason, my motto for this year of great events and gatherings. Another year like this may never come again. If it continues, bravo!! If not, I will have no reason for regrets. Esp. since this year I can: "Make it so". Hoping to see, be with, and share many great moments "In the Garden" with some real special people, being a part of the life and times of Joni Mitchell. Mendi "Worlds apart, or in this world together, often it is your choice" Mendi "It's down to YOU" JM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 02:34:51 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: otherness Marsha wrote: > simon@icu.com wrote: > > > >BTW: Joni told Vic Garbarini: > > > > > > "I thought i was Black for about three years. I felt like there > > > was a Black poet trapped inside me. Well, just said like that, it sounds weird. I wonder if our Joni believes in reincarnation? In that context it might make more sense-at least if one thinks the idea of reincarnation makes sense. If the Big Bang or God make sense I don't see why reincarnation is any more weird. Speaking of weird and having someone trapped inside one, it reminds me of a funny, but surreal, incident years ago in my search for healing. I drove to a couple's lovely home in Petersfield, Hampshire. They had a reputation for being good healers. I arrived to be met by a rather odinary couple of obvious class and money. (they provided their services free-why I went). Anyway, I was asked to lay on a white sheet they had placed on the carpet in their lounge. I did. They proceeded to pray. Then the man held his hands on my head and his wife placed her hands on my stomach.(I was feeling stupid). In a short while the woman started to shake and moan(!) and pull strange faces. Then she flung herself away from me and landed(smart) on the sofa where she proceed to whine like a litle girl'I don't want to go, I don't want to go, don't make me leave!' Her husband rushed to her side and prayed and told this little girl to go. Then the wife came too and smiled at me.(I was trying to decide whether to laugh or run). She then explained to me that i had had the spirit of a young girl attached to me since I was a boy. she was gone now and in two weeks I would find I was not homosexual any more!!! As i left i said'Any ideas as to what i tell John?' These poor deluded people were so far up their own holes they couldn't see how their beliefs were a cover for their own personal bigotries! Still, it makes for an amusing tale. colin La nina has hit-we have had 6weeks solid of daily rain and no sun! > > > I wonder if that was when she was dating Don Alias... > Uh oh. > Now Al Nino's gonna have a field day with this one! ;-D > > Marsha - -- Daily Affirmations: I need not suffer in silence while I can still moan, whimper and complain. http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:05:41 -0700 From: briano@interisland.net (Odlum, Brian) Subject: Re: Words/Who,Whom (NJC) > That can explain bad spelling but not poor grammar. > Bad grammar generally results from poor education, lack of interest or unclear > thinking. I'm confused about poor grammar and bad grammar. I thought poor grammar was the opposite of rich grammar, and bad grammar was the opposite of good grammar. Most bad people are poor, but not all poor people are bad. Many rich people are bad, but some rich people are good. Or do I have this outside-in? I think grammar crackers taste rich too, but they're not good for you. Anyway, you know what I mean... and when I'm not being mean, no what? Brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:13:31 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Words/Who,Whom (NJC) This is a post for the Hall of Fame! Mark At 7:05 PM -0700 7/9/98, Odlum, Brian wrote: >> That can explain bad spelling but not poor grammar. >> Bad grammar generally results from poor education, lack of interest or >unclear >> thinking. > >I'm confused about poor grammar and bad grammar. I thought poor grammar was >the opposite of rich grammar, and bad grammar was the opposite of good >grammar. Most bad people are poor, but not all poor people are bad. Many >rich people are bad, but some rich people are good. Or do I have this >outside-in? I think grammar crackers taste rich too, but they're not good >for you. > >Anyway, you know what I mean... and when I'm not being mean, no what? > >Brian ____________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |__________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:26:47 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Pachyderm Did we figure out what this word meant? My hubby claims it's either an elephant or someone with thick skin. Terry, feeding on Hejira ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:42:30 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Words/Who,Whom (NJC) In a message dated 7/9/98 1:54:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, IVPAUL42@aol.com writes: << Bad grammar generally results from poor education, lack of interest or unclear thinking. >> Or learning disabilities, cognitive impairments, early hearing deficits, cultural differences, etc. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:13:19 -0400 From: "Eric G. Postel" Subject: Kudos to Brian and Greg The main jazz magazine, Down Beat, just announced its 46th annual crtics poll results. Second in the deserves wider recognition category: brian blade! Congrats Brian Besides working on Lucinda Williams excellent new album, Greg Leisz also worked on Dave Alvin's excellent new album. He is also touring with Dave - -- I saw him last week here in Madison. Nice work Greg! Eric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:30:49 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: Joni Mitchell Never Lies Saw Janet Jackson's tour tonight (she's a much better entertainer than I expected) and had a great JC moment during, of course, "Got 'Til It's Gone." They flashed Joni's Isle of Wight perf on the screen and I screamed my approval and found, to my surprise, that I was not alone. There were significant screams from around the amphitheater. Go Joni! The screams repeated after the part where Q-Tip says "Joni Mitchell never lies." Then Janet led the entire crowd in a BYT sing-along. Never thought I'd hear 60,000 people, mostly under 30, sing that song together. - --Michael NP: Matraca Berg, _Sunday Morning to Saturday Night_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:50:44 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: A Day In The Garden simon writes: << Donovan has been added to the schedule. >> Donovan?! This cracks me up 'cause I just watched a film called "Don't Look Back," a documentary about Dylan shot during his tour in the UK during the early sixties, 64, I think. Joan Baez is in it, too. It was at the time when Dylan was beginning to be all the rage, rivaled in the UK only by...you guessed it, Donovan. Dylan spends a lot of time humorously dissing Donovan throughout the film. Really funny the way the filmaker pulls the humor off. Anyone else seen it? - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:23:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Holliston Subject: re: SoCal Party Pictures are Here!!!! And they're grrrrrreat!!!!! Now, are there any party pictures forthcoming from our shy Vancouver photogs?? Cheers, Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:00:55 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: NJC: The best thing for being sad... "The best thing for being sad," replied Merlyn, beginning to puff and blow, "is to learn something. That is the only thing that never fails. You may grow old and trembling in your anatomies, you may lie awake at night listening to the disorder of your veins, you may miss your only love, you may see the world about you devastated by evil lunatics, or know your honor trampled in the sewers of baser minds. There is only one thing for it, then -- to learn. Learn why the world wags and what wags it. That is the only thing which the mind can never exhaust, never alienate, never be tortured by, never fear or distrust, and never dream of regretting." - -- T.H. White ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #247 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?