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JMDL Digest          Wednesday, July 8 1998          Volume 03 : Number 245



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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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  RE: Super NJC: Who vs. whom        [Michael Yarbrough <mwyarbro@zzapp.org>]
  NJC: Garden & Long overdue intro  ["Wally Kairuz" <wallykai@interserver.co]
  Small World                           [Phyliss Ward <pward@lightspeed.net>]
  Re: NJC: Garden & Long overdue intro         [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)]
  Re: Cowboy heroes (njc)                     [Thomas Ross <rosst@union.edu>]
  Joni's on Letterman                       [Jack Milton <jmilton@agate.net>]
  Re: Many joni related topics          [Marsha <docnurse@VoyagerOnline.net>]
  Re: Small World                                  ["Kakki" <kakkib@att.net>]
  Re: Three Great Stimulants     [Michael Heath <mikerobert@bc.sympatico.ca>]

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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:40:21 -0400
From: Michael Yarbrough <mwyarbro@zzapp.org>
Subject: RE: Super NJC: Who vs. whom

Paul wrote:

<<<WHOM I first connected with>>>

Too bad she is the person WITH WHOM you first connected.  Watch
the placement of those prepositions...  ;-)  I'm sure your new love will
be kind enough to overlook this flaw.

No mercy from the JMDL, though.

- --Michael, who truly wishes the best of luck for Paul and all the other
(re)new(ing) loves out there

NP:  Pearl Jam, _Yield_

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:54:05 -0300
From: "Wally Kairuz" <wallykai@interserver.com.ar>
Subject: NJC: Garden & Long overdue intro

Hi Dave! Welcome to the list! And tell us about the songs. We're interested.
WallyK

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 21:04:17 -0700
From: Phyliss Ward <pward@lightspeed.net>
Subject: Small World

I can't believe it! 

I was talking with a friend of mine, Karen, and it turns out that her
cousin, Wade,  also a friend of mine who (whom?)  I haven't seen in a
while was with Joni backstage in the green room both
nights of the concert tapings!!!  I knew he worked for Warner Brothers
but who would of thunk!  He probably could have gotten all of us in to
see her for godsakes!  Oh well - I called him tonight and I did get some
interesting gossip from him about his time with her...

Hey Brian - Regarding food, Joni wanted a tuna melt but all the tuna was
gone so she settled for a grilled cheese with fruit on the side.  Some
of the band were smoking funny cigarrettes right there in the green
room.  About 10 minutes before the show started, Wade actually had to
help Roseanna Arquette and Joni put together that lame introduction she
did, including having to scrounge for a pencil and piece of paper.
Apparently Nicolette Sheridan was in the front row on Friday night and
was talking so much and not paying attention during the first set that
Joni didn't want to go back out!  Joni only wanted a few special people
in the green room and Wade had to fend off one "big wig financeer" after
another that kept trying to get in Friday night.

Wade had not heard anything of Joni since the 70's (sound familiar)  and
was really knocked out by her.  Some words he used to describe her were
dynamic, intense, down to earth, caring.  He said she gave him a hug
just for bringing her some food and was immediately friendly towards
him, no resistance like what he has gotten from other stars. (Apparently
he had done the same sort of thing for Sean Connery, Mel Gibson, Donna
Summer, etc. etc.)  He also said he got the impression that she was
highly misunderstood and undergoing some personal struggles right now. 
:-(

Thats all I can remember for now - Can you believe it is such a small
world?

Phyliss

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:06:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)
Subject: Re: NJC: Garden & Long overdue intro

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Here is a reprint of the original:

Since their was some mention of this recently I thought I would mention 
<that in addition to "Coyote", Joni performs "Shadows & Light" and
"Furry 
<Sings The Blues", as well. 
<This CD set is the complete show in the correct order including 17 
<tracks omitted from the official release. This is a copy of the honest
& 
<raw recording without any overdubs and studio tricks as in the album & 
<movie. 
<This bootleg CD set sells for around $70 if you can find it.






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From: "Wally Kairuz" <wallykai@interserver.com.ar>
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Subject: NJC: Garden & Long overdue intro
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Hi Dave! Welcome to the list! And tell us about the songs. We're interested.
WallyK


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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:08:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Thomas Ross <rosst@union.edu>
Subject: Re: Cowboy heroes (njc)

On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, catman wrote:

> Actually Terry, I didn't even know who he was! i got him mixed up with
> Zorro and his horse, Tonto.
> colin

Wonderful confusion! The Indian guide Tonto (Spanish for 'foolish') calls
the Lone Ranger "Kemo Sabay", which is a corruption meaning 'he who
doesn't know', or 'ignorant one'! 

N Yorker cartoon, with Tonto and the Ranger in a pickup truck in the
desert: "Try letting clutch out more slowly, Kemo Sabay."

TR


> 
> TerryM2442@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > Am I the only one here who thought Roy Rogers died years ago?
> >
> > Terry
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Daily Affirmations:
> I need not suffer in silence while I can still moan, whimper and
>  complain.
> http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:09:52 -0400
From: Jack Milton <jmilton@agate.net>
Subject: Joni's on Letterman

Quick! Joni's on Letterman tonight (Tuesday). It's a repeat...

- -Jack Milton
http://www.agate.net/~jmilton/index.html

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 00:24:08 -0400
From: Marsha <docnurse@VoyagerOnline.net>
Subject: Re: Many joni related topics

Bmcd@aol.com wrote:
 
> I don't remember who lives in Chicago and almost hurled when hearing Joni was
> coming to Chicago, but I laughed and laughed at the story. Also, Marsha
> thinking she had a place to stay with her good, good friend, who then wanted
> to "borrow" $5000.00, (Marsha, I'd pay your airfare and put you up in a
> *decent* hotel if you bought my tickets, so you wouldn't *have to* stay with
> what's his name.)

HAHAHA! 
Karen, Our Fred Simon is a brilliant pianist (with a record label) who
has recorded beautiful renditions of some of Joni's songs.

> Thanks for the laughs folks, it's one of the things I love
> about this list.  Can I move in with you guys?
 
Sure...rent is $5,000.00

Marsha, watching Christine Lahti on Dave Letterman (next comes
        Joni!), whom Mariana and I saw in person at Joni's Thursday 
        night show at Pauley Pavilion

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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:26:12 -0700
From: "Kakki" <kakkib@att.net>
Subject: Re: Small World

Good scoop, Phyliss!

> Some of the band were smoking funny cigarrettes right there in the green
> room.

This may explain the sort of scary look in Klein's eyes I noticed that night!

> Apparently Nicolette Sheridan was in the front row on Friday night and
> was talking so much and not paying attention during the first set that
> Joni didn't want to go back out! 

This may explain something else that happened when Joni came back for the
second set.  Pearl and I were sitting together at that point, probably right
behind Nicolette, and Joni stopped and looked right at us and said "I'm feeling
shyyyyy."  Pearl said "Don't be shy, Joni, we love you."  Joni just kept
looking at us as if for reassurance.  So then Pearl and I repeated "we love
you, we *love* you.  I had wondered why Joni was suddenly feeling that way.  
Who invited Nicolette, anyway?

> Joni only wanted a few special people
> in the green room and Wade had to fend off one "big wig financeer" after
> another that kept trying to get in Friday night.

To think that the humble jmdlers got in over the big wigs!  Justice prevails in
Hollywood.
 
> He also said he got the impression that she was
> highly misunderstood and undergoing some personal struggles right now. 
> :-(

:-(  too.

Kakki

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 23:39:38 -0700
From: Michael Heath <mikerobert@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Three Great Stimulants

Brilliant?

Anyway, I think you said what I would with: " The three stimulants feed upon each
other in an infinite, symbiotic circle. " And Michael Yarbrough's comment is great
too:
"...innocence refers to the worship of youth. "

I think she's assessing our sorry state...what really motivates us personally and
culturally, these three things that interact. We are entertained by our "
inventions", we marvel at our capacity to be rough and cruel, and we are sycophants
to our unmolested inner selves.

cul

Kakki wrote:

> Karen wrote:
>
> > Okay, speak to me re: the 3 great stimulants. For years,
> > I've pondered this, because artifice and brutality always made sense to me,
> > but innocence?  Just lately, it came to me that this may be the "innocene is
> > *not* bliss" take on things.  If we bury our heads in the sand, it will go
> > away. So we bury ourselves in our pleasures, our own situations, etc.???
>
> I hope cul will give another brillant analysis because this song has always
> intrigued me and made me wonder what Joni really means.  My take on it is that
> innocence stimulates artifice and brutality, which both stem from either a lack
> or loss of innocence, and a jealousy of it.  Artifice mocks innocence and
> brutality is compelled to strike it down.  The three stimulants feed upon each
> other in an infinite, symbiotic circle.  "Don't we get bored?" says artifice
> and brutality, as the innocent ones are fed to the lions before the cheering
> crowd.
>
> Kakki

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