From: owner-joni-digest@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #242 Reply-To: Sender: owner-joni-digest@jmdl.com Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Monday, July 6 1998 Volume 03 : Number 242 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- TEST ONLY [catman ] Joni on Letterman [Ken Sharp ] Joni in USAToday [Susan McNamara ] Re: Joni's Voice [Susan McNamara ] Aimee Mann (NJC) [Maggie McNally ] JC: Trivia Update (repeat) [kbarnicle@ensr.com] More Grocery Store Obscurity ... ["Don Rowe" ] Re: More Grocery Store Obscurity ... ["Mark Domyancich" ] Whose? [Steve Dulson ] Tenth World interpretations ["Kay Ashley" ] Whose? [Steve Dulson ] Roy Rogers (NJC) ["Mark Domyancich" ] Computer enlisted in Michelangelo sculpture mystery--NJC [Al.Date@Eng.Sun] Re: More Grocery Store Obscurity ... [WombQueen@aol.com] woodstock here I come ["Donald Fluke" ] A dream come true...part 1(long) repeat [WirlyPearl@aol.com] Whose? [Steve Dulson ] NJC More apologies [Steve Dulson ] For Marian Russell (NJC) [Ashara@aol.com] Re: feel good about your bawdy [jan gyn ] Re: Computer enlisted in Michelangelo sculpture mystery--NJC [TerryM2442@] Re: feel good about your bawdy ["Kakki" ] Where's part 2? A dream come true [WirlyPearl@aol.com] NJC Happy Trails [Diana Duncan ] Re: Aimee Mann (NJC) [jan gyn ] A dream come true..part 2 (long) [WirlyPearl@aol.com] Re: NJC Happy Trails [RickieLee1@aol.com] What I did on my summer vacation (Some JC) [Mary Pitassi ] A dream come true..part 3 (long) [WirlyPearl@aol.com] Smoking (tangential JC) [Mary Pitassi ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 13:12:21 +0100 From: catman Subject: TEST ONLY - -- Daily Affirmations: I need not suffer in silence while I can still moan, whimper and complain. http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:03:08 -0400 From: Ken Sharp Subject: Joni on Letterman On tuesday night, on Letterman, a rerun will be shown with Joni as the musical guest. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:04:42 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Joni in USAToday Joni's on the cover of USAToday and there is a short article about A Day in the Garden featured. I'll try to type it up a little later. ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:26:55 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Joni's Voice simon says: >actually John i'm not sure that her voice lacks anything. > >in an interview broadcast by NPR (5-11-95/TT#2) Joni says that SHE likes >the evolution (changes?) of her voice. she also explained that her earlier >records sound like to her like _Joni on Helium_. > >this much is clear ... from the beginning there was always a 'seldom used' >lower register to her vocal range. > When I first heard the Phila radio concerts on tape (tree 3?) I was amazed at how low Joni was singing on some of the very early songs, especially Go Tell The Drummer Man. At first I thought there was something wrong with the tape and it was running slow. This song has to be an octave range lower than some of the notes she was hitting on LOTC. If you want to hear notes that drive the kennels crazy listen to Sarah McLachlan's FEAR. (great stuff) ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 09:43:31 -0400 From: Maggie McNally Subject: Aimee Mann (NJC) Hi all, I'm just catching up on posts, deleting some, reading some, but the Aimee Mann thread caught my attention. Being from Boston/Cambridge I have been into her music since I first caught her in the Young Snakes, her art-rock band from the late 70s or early 80s (I forget exactly -- oh to recapture those lost tiny grey cells!). The band was rather out there. She used to work at Newbury Comics, THE place to get punk/new wave stuff in that same period. Then she started Til Tuesday, and I remember when they won the Battle of the Bands. All this was before the big label record contracts or MTV exposure. She has just kept at it and kept at it over the years, and I have always liked her voice, even tho it does not have the most amazing timbre or range (opps, veering toward THAT thread). Her poetry speaks to me, but it's her voice that really does it for me. On a semi-gossipy note: she moved out to L.A. but still comes back to Boston now and again. She used to come into my old restaurant with her now husband Michael Penn; she was quiet and shy and reserved, but appreciative of my feedback. Definitely a singer-songwriter worth checking out. Best, Maggie np: Jeanluc Ponty - Storytelling (thanks Heather! ;-)) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 8:31:26 EDT From: kbarnicle@ensr.com Subject: JC: Trivia Update (repeat) Hello all! Many thanks to all those that have been sending in the trivia questions. Wow, have I got some studying to do!! I haven't had time to respond to all individually since I am trying to compile all of the info and work a full time job (to support my JoniHabit!). Keep those questions coming. We'll take anything and everything. For the Team of Joni Specialists/Trivia Masters, I believe everyone that has volunteered to date will be on the team. I'll update y'all later. **** Send your questions and/or answers to trivia@jmdl.com **** Katie from the Cape ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 08:30:03 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: More Grocery Store Obscurity ... Imagine my shock and delight at hearing "Come in From the Cold" on the muzak channel while grocery shopping this weekend. Now that's gotta score somoe points on the obscurity scale! D Rowe :-) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 11:00:34 -0500 From: "Mark Domyancich" Subject: Re: More Grocery Store Obscurity ... I also heard it at Staples a few months ago. Mark Subject: Whose? Brian Odlum wrote: >Whose Joni Mitchell? Mine, of course. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 08:52:31 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Whose? Brian Odlum wrote: >Whose Joni Mitchell? Mine, of course. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:26:55 -0400 From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: Tenth World interpretations I've always thought of The Tenth World as referring to a way of life that is much more primitive than our current concept of the Third World. So, I don't see the astronomical (as in a tenth planet) reference (it doesn't make sense to me, considering the song itself -- it's all "traditional" instrumentation). Anyway, a couple of digests ago, this cultural parallel was also drawn, but I wanted to reiterate it in more detail. I see Joni's use of this name as totally subjective, just a term she invented (?? -- for all I know, someone like Alvin Toffler came up with it, but I've never seen it used anywhere except on DJRD), as opposed to the more linear possibilities of Fourth World or Fifth World, to paint a picture of ancient, indigenous life which remains intact in our modern world. By using the number 10, she's illustrating that this "anachronistic" way of life is extremely far removed from the rest of the world, a huge leap away even from the Third World (which is largely industrialized, even if social structures remain "primitive.") I don't see her as looking down on this way of life in the least; au contraire, she probably romanticizes it. The Third World is a world in transition between the ancient and modern ways of life; the Tenth World remains untouched. That's my opinion, I welcome yours... :-) Kay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 08:52:31 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Whose? Brian Odlum wrote: >Whose Joni Mitchell? Mine, of course. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 12:27:01 -0500 From: "Mark Domyancich" Subject: Roy Rogers (NJC) Roy Rogers has died. He was 86. _________________________________________ Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net "Shadows have the saddest things to say." -Joni Mitchell _________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:47:14 -0700 From: Al.Date@Eng.Sun.COM (Al Date) Subject: Computer enlisted in Michelangelo sculpture mystery--NJC [world wide Webb?--ald] The Times of London July 6 1998 BY PETER FOSTER ART historians have turned to computer technology to solve the mystery of why Michelangelo smashed the sculpture he carved as a monument for his own tomb. The Florentine Pietà, which depicts the broken body of Christ in the arms of the Virgin Mary, Nicodemus and Mary Magdalene, was carved by Michelangelo from a solid block of marble. The great sculptor of the Italian High Renaissance was in his seventies. The work was instantly admired by contemporaries in Rome such as Asconio Condivi, author of The Life of Michelangelo, who wrote in 1553: "It is impossible to speak of its beauty and its sorrow, of the grieving and sad faces of them all, especially of the afflicted Mother. Let it suffice: I tell you it is a rare thing and one of the most laborious works that he has yet done." Two years after this praise was heaped upon the Pietà, Michelangelo took a hammer and mutilated the work, breaking off both arms and the left leg of Christ, the left arm of the Virgin and the right arm of Mary Magdalene. The shattered group was partially restored by a little-known sculptor, Tiberio Calcagni, who died before the work could be completed. Today, the repaired sculpture, which sits in Museo dell'Opera del Duomo in Florence, is still missing Christ's leg. Michelangelo's actions have perplexed artists and historians for centuries. One school of thought argues that it was because the marble was flawed; another that Michelangelo was dissatisfied with the work; and a third that the ageing sculptor flew into a rage after being pressured to finish the statue by his studio administrator. Jack Wasserman, an American art historian, has enlisted the services of IBM in the search for more concrete answers. Using a six-lense camera to take 700 overlapping digital photographs, computer scientists will create an exact 3-D, virtual-reality replica of the Pietà from almost two billion bits of data. Professor Wasserman hopes that the computer-generated model will enable him to investigate the statue in ways not possible before. Speaking at a conference in Florence last week to announce the project, he said: "What we want to do is to 'remove' the parts that Calcagni replaced so we can see the block as Michelangelo saw it the day he broke it up. This might give me a better sense of why he did it." Professor Wasserman admits he is nursing a revolutionary theory on this aspect of the statue, but says that he will not part with his secret until the research is concluded, probably by the middle of next year. He hinted that his theory centres on technical flaws in the sculpture. "I personally do not believe that Michelangelo broke the sculpture because he was in a rage," he said. "I think it was more dissatisfaction. Looking at the Virgin's face, we can already see evidence of pentimenti, or corrections, where Michelangelo tried to carve out the side of her cheek to give the face more natural proportions." Another aspect that has puzzled academics is the varying proportions of the figures when viewed from ground level: Mary Magdalene is very small compared to Nicodemus, while Christ's right arm appears extremely elongated. "Michelangelo had a tendency to carve his work so the viewer could see it walking in an arc-like trajectory from one side of the statue to the other," Professor Wasserman said. "Using the computer model may give us a clue as to what height and angle Michelangelo intended the statue to be viewed from." The technology used in the creation of the Pietà model is expected to have a variety of applications in the art world. Digitized copies of the world's great sculptures and paintings will become an invaluable educational resource, according to strategists at IBM. Beyond the world of high art, the 3-D modelling techniques that now take thousands of hours may yet become commonplace. "The 3-D camcorder could be a reality within ten years," an IBM official predicted. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:58:36 EDT From: WombQueen@aol.com Subject: Re: More Grocery Store Obscurity ... As a former grocery store worker, I got to hear all the wonderful muzak day in and day out, and some of the Joni songs that would make me hang those shelf tags a little faster were: Twisted (although not a Joni original, still a Joni song) Help Me Raised on Robbery Case of You Big Yellow Taxi Free Man In Paris Both Sides, Now Coincidentally, the only other person in my department was my supervisor, and later best friend, Jessie....she was the one who introduced me to Joni via the loan of her Miles of Aisles CD. Jessie's mother and father were folk singers back in the sixties, and her mom looked so much like Joni that she often got mistaken for her....as a matter of coincidence here, too, Jessie's mom was (and still is) a big Joni fan, passing her taste in music down to Jessie, who then passed Joni to me. Jessie also passed this little story to me from Mom (also tying in with the Joni/grocery store thread), which I will now pass to you: In Joni's early years, it wasn't uncommon to see her occasionally play in intimate venues (threw that word in just for you, Marsha :))....and Jessie's mother Mary was fortunate enough to have caught Joni at such a performance in New Haven, CT at a little bohemian coffeehouse (we think it was called the Brick Balloon....Jessie couldn't remember). Incidentally, the coffeehouse was in the BASEMENT OF A GROCERY STORE....imagine walking in to pick up a quart of milk to hear Joni herself performing underneath your feet!!! That's SOME muzak ;) Yours, Womby ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:08:51 -0400 From: "Donald Fluke" Subject: woodstock here I come Just made camping reservations for a RV at the Woodstock site. They said the festival is walking distance from the campground. My tentative plans are; flying into Newark after work on Wednesday night. Spend the night in the N.Y. area, pick up the RV on Thursday morning and head for Bethel. So, you guys, it looks like we have a home base at the concert for our JMDL tail-gate party !!!!!!! I will be camped there from Thursday mid-day thru Sunday Mid-day. I am constructing a JMDL flag for the RV. Ok Les, What are our official JMDL colors so everybody can recognize the flag.? don in ft. lauderdale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:08:16 EDT From: WirlyPearl@aol.com Subject: A dream come true...part 1(long) repeat Hi everyone, I'm reposting this to the list. It's been quite a while since I've written it and I know there are many new list members out there. I've finally gotten it together to continue it with 'part 2' and both parts go together. I apologize for not sharing it when it was fresh and new . I can't begin to explain why. Trust that it was very special and wonderful for me. Subj: A dream come true...part 1 (long) Date: 6/9/98 1:23:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: WirlyPearl@aol.com Sender: owner-joni@jmdl.com Reply-to: WirlyPearl@aol.com To: joni@listbox.com Hi Joniphiles-- Sorry it has taken so long for me to tell you all what an incredible time I've had seeing Joni in concert. And I'm sure you can see by the joyous look on my face in the photo how blessed I felt to have actually met her and have her arm around my shoulder. I also managed to bring home some "joni germs" but I'm feeling better now. I guess I've been so overwhelmed that it's been hard to find the right words or even get something written. Many of the posts have already beautifully expressed many of the things I also experienced. The next couple of paragraphs I wrote last week and saved until I had more time to finish.(I've since added some details) Then very late one night I wrote for well almost 3 hours ( write slowly), still not quite done and by some fluke, accidentally hit a key that locked my computer. I tried desperately to save the rest of my post, even woke my son up to help, but alas, my carefully thought out words disappeared. It upset me so, that it's taken days to write again. Here goes... My husband Steve and I had a great six days in L.A. We went to the 3 SoCal Jmdler dinners and really enjoyed spending time and getting to know more of you. I had the pleasure of sitting next to Wally at Thursday nights dinner and we had a nice chat.. I felt bad that when he was ordering soup I suggested he get the bowl which he politely ordered instead of the cup. The guys who ordered the cups of soup got theirs but Wally's bowl never came, and since he had to leave early he left without any dinner. I felt guilty for sticking my $.02 in there. I just felt a real connection with Wally and I instinctively wanted him to eat a little more. I don't know why, I'm a Mom, I guess. (I apologize to those I didn't get a chance to meet in Anaheim. Hopefully there'll be a next time.) We went to the Friday and Saturday night Joni shows. The seats were on the floor but somewhat far back so you really needed binoculars to see her well. I was thrilled to see Joni but kept thinking this was not the right type of place for her to perform, especially with so many people who really didn't come to see her. I enjoyed her set but I didn't feel she was having much fun. She was singing some very intense songs and I did feel that she felt every word as she sang and played. Don't get me wrong...I loved it, she and the band were wonderful. I ran into Wally during a break on Friday and he greeted me so warmly. We even had photos taken together with Phyliss. I was so very happy to be there, for two nights, no less. I just wished it could have been a little different or that I was sitting much closer. I'm very excited to have been able to get two of the signed lithos, a concert poster and three of the different t-shirts. With all the artwork, the huge Joni poster, the oil painting and old songbooks I have, I think I'll be turning my den into the Joni room (shrine?). I even managed to get the Taming the Tiger counter display (thanks to Steve) from Tower Records and now it holds all my Joni CD's. (Sometimes you've just got to ask) :) Security was more lax at the Friday show and I was able to get closer to the stage several times and take some photos before they chased me back to my seat. Unfortunately, the photos weren't very clear but some had a very ethereal quality where it looks like Joni is being beamed down on a red arc of light to the stage and another has streaks of red light emanating from the back of her body. (This is important later.) We returned home to Florida early Wednesday morning. I was more interested in catching up on the 300+ posts waiting for me than sleeping. That's when I read Wally's post to everyone on the list (thank you!!!) that said something about Joni doing a small concert for television on Friday and Saturday night in Burbank and that 50 sitters (seat fillers) were needed for times when people left their seats during the show (a notion which I can't begin to fathom). The wheels started turning immediately. I kept thinking "I wanna go. I wanna go..but how can I go, I just got back?" (And the expense!) When Steve finally woke up I told him about this golden opportunity. He didn't think watching Joni on a tv screen hoping to fill a seat for a few minutes was so great but if I really wanted to go I could. (What a guy!!) I called the number, told them I was flying in from Fla after just coming home from LA a few hours earlier. I also asked for both nights. No problem...I was even promised that I would get to fill a seat for a short time at least one of the nights. I then managed to get a ticket to fly Friday morning (standby) for less than my other tickets. I called Kakki to see if I could stay at her wonderful apartment and she said yes! She told me that she and several other California people were were able to be put down as guests of Wally. Unfortunately, when I asked Wally if I could be included he said his quota was full and there was no room for me, but I know he tried. Kakki was later told by Wally that even their seats were not definite. I was functioning on nervous, excited energy for the next day and a half. I did not sleep at all on Thursday night, didn't even try. I couldn't believe what I was doing. I'm not normally an impulsive person, but I had strong motivation...hopefully seeing Joni perform in a very intimate setting. Friday morning I embarked on this incredible adventure. I flew to LA alone and managed to rent a 1999 red 2 door Grand Am with CD player. I felt very cool as I headed out on the LA freeways alone, which is an adventure in itself. Somehow I always managed to get where I was going but with a lot of unplanned detours. After Kakki got home we drove through endless traffic in search of the studio. After parking we had to get in line to get checked off a list and get VIP passes. Well, Kakki got right through and got her pass. Now, I knew that Wally wasn't able to get me on the regular list, but suddenly my desire to be in the regular audience became very strong. I just stood tall, said my name and had them look for it on the lists. I mentioned that Wally told me he put me on and that I just flew in from Florida for the show. They looked and looked and even called someone about me. (I didn't say anything about the sitter thing) I just stared them down and acted like I belonged there and that I was with Wally. The next thing I knew they handed me a VIP pass. I'M IN!! My heart was thumping by now, I was so elated. I'm surpised I didn't lift the shuttle off the gound, because I was flying, so high with anticipation. I surprised everyone when I arrived in the pre-show waiting area. I hugged Wally and thanked him profusely, apologized for lying a liitle to get in, but hey, a girl's gotta do what a girl's gotta do. I also told him his name carried a lot of clout. I shared my somewhat blurry, ethereal Joni photos from the other concert and Leslie showed her incredible Joni birthday book and the photos she took of the concerts. We all shared our excitement and anticipation but could never have imagined what was in store. to be continued.... Pearl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:14:56 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Whose? Brian Odlum wrote: >Whose Joni Mitchell? Ours, of course. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:23:16 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: NJC More apologies After spamming you all with my "1400" garbage message, I now realize I have sent two "whose" messages to the list. Sorry, sorry, sorry! The Swami of Spam. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:02:24 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: For Marian Russell (NJC) Marian, I am trying to get some info to you about the party before I leave for Italy, and everything keeps coming back to me! How can I get to you? (Sorry to post this to the whole list.) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 00:32:47 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: feel good about your bawdy >also recall something about liver and onions. My question becomes, >how is she so skinny??? >Deb Messling > Liver and onions? How Lecter-esque! Anyhoo, since Joni doesn't seem the type to use the 'two finger salute' diet (cough), her thinness is probably hereditary. I read somewhere that Kate Moss eats like a horse, that she 'couldn't gain weight if (I) wanted to.' Excuse me, but I need to find an empty restroom... - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:35:35 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Computer enlisted in Michelangelo sculpture mystery--NJC In a message dated 7/6/98 1:52:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Al.Date@Eng.Sun.COM writes: << ands of hours may yet become commonplace. "The 3-D camcorder could be a reality within ten years," an IBM official predicted. >> Hey, is this the WebbVention?? Terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:33:03 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: feel good about your bawdy Jan wrote: > Anyhoo, since Joni doesn't seem the > type to use the 'two finger salute' diet (cough), her thinness is probably > hereditary. I was surprised at how downright bony Joni is for her age, although she does not seem at all anoerexic. I'd like to know her secret. In this case, I think the cigs probably do help ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:47:06 EDT From: WirlyPearl@aol.com Subject: Where's part 2? A dream come true I posted part 2 over an hour ago, right after after 'A dream come true Part 1.' It hasn't appeared yet so I'm sending it through again. Please forgive me if it comes through twice. Pearl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 15:27:03 -0500 From: Diana Duncan Subject: NJC Happy Trails At 12:27 PM 7/6/1998 -0500, Mark Domyancich wrote: >Roy Rogers has died. He was 86. When I heard the news today I couldn't help but remember one of my first little 45 records was Happy Trails by Roy Rogers and Dale Evans. (I've got it packed away somewhere) I played it on my little box of a phonograph. Being a child in the fifties, I remember watching them on TV. He seemed to have lived a full and happy life. So Happy Trails to you Roy Rogers! Diana, NP: Silence..and the air conditioner! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 02:28:55 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Aimee Mann (NJC) This Anouk Aimee Mann talk made me drag out 'I'm With Stupid'. Haven't played it in over a year; forgot how tasty it is. I liked those silver sneakers of hers, and even kept my eyes peeled for a pair. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:51:33 EDT From: WirlyPearl@aol.com Subject: A dream come true..part 2 (long) A dream come true continued: As we turned the corner from the cavernous waiting area, we assumed we would be entering the sound stage. Much to our surprise and delight we came into a hallway of blue, with about 20 or so incredible paintings by Joni. They were strikingly beautiful and vivid, all in gold leaf frames. We oohed and aahed and admired them as video cameras watched us. On some, especially the TI and TTT self portrait covers there is so much texture and layering of color. Then we entered the stage area which was in a circle of three levels with all sofas, chairs and large floor cushions to sit on. Hanging high and surrounding the room were more of the paintings. We were told earlier by Wally that we were considered "super fans" and that Joni requested that we sit close and in front of her. Most of the seats had cards with names placed on them. I told the girl with the clip board who I was and she didn't know what to do with me, so she sent me to the top level off to the side behind the drums. I sat there for a minute and it didn't feel right. Feeling empowered from my earlier success of just getting in, I climbed down and went over to sit near Wally (I had sat next to him briefly at dinner the week before so now we were old friends) on the second platform, on a cushion, directly in front of the stage. I talked about how incredible this was going to be and how excited and lucky we were. Then another clipboard lady came looking for Wally and said that since he would be there for both nights would he help with the continuity shots (or something). She needed a few people. Since I wasn't sure what she meant and I knew I would enjoy sharing this experience with Wally, I volunteered. It turns out she wanted us to sit behind the stage and be there both nights in the same spot so the audience remained the same on TV. She put me practically on the floor behind some equipment. I was not happy there at all!! I wanted the other seat back. I told Wally, as much as I wanted to maybe be seen on TV and also sit near him, I wanted a better view. Wally stayed, the trooper that he is. I did feel a bit guilty but I went back to my previous seat with the great view. I sat near Kakki and Robbie Cavalina, Joni's art director. As I sat there I kept telling myself how lucky I was, and that I couldn't believe this was happening. The room darkened, the band members got out on stage and then Joni was announced. I clapped and cheered as loudly as I could, and then she came out and started to play Night Ride Home. I was in heaven for the next 2 1/2 hours or so. She looked so beautiful in her flowing gold lace pants and brown stretch top and strappy sandals. The pants sort of matched her hair. She seemed so happy to be there too. This was exactly the way I'd always wanted to see her play. She played and sang deep and rich and with such feeling. Even in familiar songs, I heard lines that sounded new. She explained some songs and told stories and anecdotes. And I just loved the special Joni way she moved to the music. I sat entranced and mesmerized with a constant smile on my face, I'm sure. I kept wishing I'd snuck in a tape recorder. After the intermission I got a little brave and even took some photos, most of them blurry. Then, when I thought things couldn't get any better, she wowwed everyone even more. She had 3 singers down in front join her in singing "Why Do Fools Fall in Love". I loved when she started with the real deep ...oomwah, oomwah, oomwah, oomwah then ...Why do birds si-ing .... I went really nuts when she took off her shoes and started dancing with Val, a very tall, bald, black singer. ( he's in one of her videos, I think) They really got down and boogied and even did dips. She sang an incredible version of a Billie Holiday song and a Marvin Gaye song. Lots of hand movement and expression. It's great to find out that a video is being made of the show so you can all share some of the wonder of it all. I never wanted it to end. Unfortunately it did have to end but we managed to get her to return for a real encore, and she sang Song for Sharon at the audience's request. (I think someone called it out for Wally, but I'm not sure.) It was beautiful. I could probably go on with more detail as I think of it, but a lot was already perfectly described in earlier reports of the show. As incredible as this all was, I need to share the even more amazing events that followed. During the intermissions Robbie Cavalina told some of us that he really wanted Joni to meet with us. Thinking about the possibility of this was exciting and nerve-wracking to say the least. He seemed to be impressed by the fact that I had been to the Pauley and Pond concerts the weekend before, returned to Florida on Wednesday, heard about these shows and got it together to make the arrangements to turn around and fly back Friday morning by myself. He somehow arranged it so that after the show we waited inside until we were told we could come out to the trailer. I borrowed a felt tip pen and gave Wally's photographer my camera in anticipation. The next thing I know we're outside waiting and then Joni came out came out of the trailer. It seems Robbie had just told Joni what I'd done to get there and pointed me out to her. We looked at each other and smiled, I don't think either of us said anything at this point, and then she just came and hugged me. I couldn't believe it was happening. I was somewhat in a state of shock and also wondering and hoping that someone was taking a picture. (Unfortunately not) It was so sweet. Then I'm not exactly sure what I said at this point, but I know I thanked her and told her I've loved her for 30 years and said something about my 20 year old daughter named Marcy. Then she said something like.. "All the Marcys and Chelseas are all growin' up now" and we chuckled. Then some other people started to come around her and something about taking a photo was mentioned (it could have been me, I don't know). She then put her arm around me and I thought there were more jmdlers with me. I was clutching a bag with a couple of things I brought just in case I could get an autograph. It all happened so fast I didn't get a chance to put it down for the picture. You can see in the photo that we're about the same height. (I'm 5' 6") After the photos were taken I did get her to sign my Joni Mitchell Songbook (Complete volume number 1 1966-1970). She signed it on the cover *For Pearl - Joni Mitchell* but she was talking to someone else while she was writing. I also managed to get her to sign the inside page of The Complete Poems and Lyrics book while she was at it. Then she went on to talk to some others. I didn't want to let the moment be over for me. I had connected with Ingrid Pastorious, my garage sale friend, and she had told me to give regards and thanks to Joni from her and her sons. Then I would share with here the story of how I'd met and befriended her. Well, I totally forgot to do that. It might have been interesting to hear what she had to say. We had to leave really soon, as they were starting a last call for the shuttle and everyone was dispersing. I had something to share and I approached Joni again. I told her I had taken some photos of her at the last Saturday's concert and that they were unusual. ( I described them in my earlier post) She looked at them with great interest and really seemed to like some of them. She then asked if it was OK if she could have two of them. "Of course, yes, please take them " I said. Then Joni asked "Are you sure?" and I said "Yes, I have doubles." She studied them some more and she seemed happy with them. We said goodbye and she went back into the trailer. I was so delighted that she took my photos. I ran to the shuttle that was by now waiting for me and I kept saying, "I can't believe she took my pictures... Joni has something from me...Joni was impressed with my pictures"... to anyone that would listen. It was quite an amazing evening. Truly a dream come true for me. To be continued in part 3 Pearl (I seperated part 2 into parts 2 and 3 because it doesn't seem to be going through. Perhaps it was too long. ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:04:34 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Happy Trails what's gonna happen to poor old stuffed trigger? i want him! i saw roy live and in person, on trigger (i don't recall if dale was there or not) when i was about 5 or 6, in my full roy rogers regalia (i had the entire outfit, except for the boots) and actually met the man himself. somewhere there is an old b/w photo (the kind with the scalloped edges - oh gawd, i am OLD) with the great big roy and a little pint sized roy standing next to him (ME!) and trigger that to this day i covet, peeking over both our shoulders. i wore a suitably awed expression, appropriate to the soul stirring occaision. oh boy roy. you were the balls.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:05:15 -0500 From: Mary Pitassi Subject: What I did on my summer vacation (Some JC) Hello, all! I've just returned from a 2 1/2-week jaunt through the American southwest (that's "United States-ian," for those wishing to emphasize that everyone on both continents plus the connecting central land mass are, in fact, Americans ;-). And all I can say is: what a lot of catching up I'll have to do! Smoking! The 2d amendment! Joni and shame! I missed all the good stuff!!!! . A couple reflections on my trek, several of which actually have something to do with Joni: 1) We travelled through Colorado, Arizona and New Mexico for over two weeks in a 20-foot motor home. And, although all's well that ends well, whoever wrote on the list "it's getting like a camping couple--too intense" hit the nail right on the head! 2) I broke out my "Siquomb--isn't she?" t-shirt for this trip, with interesting results. Originally, I meant to wear it the day we hit Colorado Springs as a sly, silent tribute to Les, but the timing didn't quite work out as we'd planned. However, the shirt wound up being a real conversation-starter in New Mexico, with a handful of people speculating openly about what it might mean, in several different languages! 3) In a kind of vicarious-Joni-experience, I toured the Georgia O'Keeffe museum in Santa Fe, NM, and developed a real appreciation for O'Keeffe's *landscapes* (she really painted much, much more than those ubiquitous flowers!). An 8-minute short feature film on O'Keeffe at the beginning of the exhibit, highlighting portions of actual interviews with her, also helped me to understand a little further the deep connection Joni felt with her work. O'Keeffe, like Joni, struck me as often blunt, fiercely independent, deeply devoted to her art, and quite content to keep a distance from various "isms" and ideologies of her time, preferring simply to travel her own unique path. And one O'Keeffe quote from the film really struck me: something to the effect that she knew *immediately* upon first seeing New Mexico that she had an intense, primal connection to the place, and was where she was supposed to be. 4) Finally, after touring the craggy but splendid landscapes of Arizona and New Mexico for nearly a week, I developed a new appreciation of O'Keefe as a realist painter! (this is said only half in jest.) I look forward to renewing contact with everyone to whom I may owe e-mail, fairly soon. Hope all residents and citizens of the United States had a great fourth of July. ;-) Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:05:14 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC Happy Trails Cute post ric - > what's gonna happen to poor old stuffed trigger? i want him! i saw roy live > and in person, on trigger Wow, you met the real Trigger! Last I heard the stuffed Trigger is a featured attraction at the Roy Rogers Museum out here in Victorville near Roy and Dale's ranchero. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:30:43 EDT From: WirlyPearl@aol.com Subject: A dream come true..part 3 (long) A dream come true continued... We gathered afterwards at Kakki's, all of us quite blissed out and in disbelief about the whole evening. I finally went to sleep at about 5am (8am my time), after being up 48 hours straight. Poor Kakki had to go to work, so I slept a bit late and then prepared to meet for an early dinner before the show, with what turned out to be Les, Phyliss and her husband Bob. Somehow I managed to knock off the sideview mirror and scrape the front fender of my flashy red car while leaving Kakki's garage. Why did I have to have aggravation mixed in with this happiness? (I was imagining explaining it to my husband and the car rental place). I coupled that with getting turned around and a bit lost on the freeway and coming late to dinner, but it was really good to see them. This time when we got to the studio I did have my name on the list and surprisingly it was for two! I wish I could have brought one of you with me. After once again looking at the wonderful paintings, I managed to find a seat on a cushion similar to the night before. This time I was primed with my camera. I was leaning against the end of the sofa where Peggy Lipton sat. I was just to the right of the sofa where Graham Nash sat, and k.d. lang was very nearby. My heart was beating in anticipation. I knew it would be wonderful again. And when the show finally started, it was unexpectedly and unbelievably even better than the night before. This time she started with the fun stuff that she ended with the night before. I must have been grinning inside and out the whole time as it all washed over me. It was magical. I clapped so hard my hands were hurting. I managed to snap a couple of rolls of film, but with the high speed of it and not using a tripod, most were shakey. I did manage to get some good ones. (I sent them off to Wally and Les). I accidently let the flash go off on one of them and was nervous they would ask me to leave or take the camera away. After having a nice conversation with both Les and Wally together during intermission, I started up the few wooden steps to my seat. Before I got to the top, I guess my heal caught and I tripped, falling forward right at Graham Nash's feet. Believe me this is not how wanted to meet him. I was very embarrassed. He and whoever he was sitting with asked if I was all right. I brushed myself off and said "I'm OK, I can still walk", and then sat back on my red cushion. Well, I wasn't exactly OK. My shins were beginning to throb and I was seeing colors. I asked myself why I couldn't just let all this pleasure in without mixing in some pain. I just kept breathing and rubbing my shins, sending them whatever healing I could with no ice and just continued to enjoy Joni and the rest. She was in great form, sang and played and told stories and seemed even more relaxed than the night before. Unfortunately, it couldn't go on forever but I will never forget it. I can't wait to see the video to relive it again. We hoped to meet with Joni again after the show, but it was not to be. I know she washeld up taking some photos afterward, and there seemed to be a lot more people waiting too. It was a bit disappointing that she didn't come out this time, but I was one of the very fortunate ones who did meet with her the night before so I am forever grateful. Again, everyone, I'm very sorry I wasn't able to get this all written down to share it with you sooner. I know it might be old news, but I needed to share it. I hope all of you have the opportunity to see Joni perform in person at some time, best of all in a small setting. I admire and love her so. Pearl P.S. I'll be away from my computer for about a week beginning tomorrow. Steve and I will be vacationing in Toronto. (Closer to Joni's roots) I wanted to make sure I got this out before then. And, yesterday, July 5th, was my birthday. I can't believe I'm 46. Get well Wally! My thoughts are with you everyday. Thank you for being instrumental in my having this incredible experience. ( My hands have healed from all the clapping I did but I still have some bumps on my shins from the fall. It makes me think back to the concert) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:47:22 -0500 From: Mary Pitassi Subject: Smoking (tangential JC) In digest #228, Anne wrote: "Just heard on the radio that George Harrison has throat cancer. He quit smoking in '97 when a lump was discovered in his throat which he subsequently had removed. He blames it all on smoking. A sober thought - not to sound preachy but I wish Joni would quit for her sake and her daughter and grandson and us fans!" In the same digest, Marian wrote (referring to Joni's comments about a Hawaiian healer she consulted): "Smoking is not good for anyone, period!!! It isn't good for you!!!! I can't believe Joni would buy into such a stupid rationale!" I think I can look at this issue "from both sides now." I smoked for a year in high school, for no other reason than to fit in and be cool. I never found it particularly enjoyable, and did not have a difficult time quitting. On the other hand, both my parents smoked like chimneys, and one relative has made repeated, unsuccessful attempts at quitting over a period of many years. Moreover, this person has at times voiced rationales for continuing that sound, on the surface, at least as questionable as the one Joni put forth in the interview. I am not a doctor, and my take on smoking is admittedly unscientific and unprofessional. However, I think nicotine addiction may be similar to alcoholism, in that it's possible that some people simply carry more risk factors--genetic, environmental, and/or psychological--for starting the behavior in the first place, and then not being able to stop if they want to. I would certainly *never* presume that, because I did not undergo a great struggle to quit, other will or should find it as easy: on the contrary, witnessing the efforts of my above-mentioned relative, I firmly believe that, for some people and under some conditions, nicotine is every bit as addicting as heroin, if not more so. The problem is that you can never be sure before beginning whether you've been blessed with "the luck of the draw", as I seemed to be, or not. One last thought. One of the most effective anti-smoking ads I've ever heard was a radio piece done by the actor Jack Klugman, perhaps about a year ago. Klugman, whose voice was reduced to a rasp after his cancer surgery, lamented that he *knew* he was a better actor then than he ever had been before, but because of the results of a lifetime of smoking--the causal link was his--he no longer had the physical equipment to express his talent and experience. The ad was downright eerie, and, for me, utterly unforgettable. Mary P. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #242 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?