From: owner-joni-digest@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #237 Reply-To: Sender: owner-joni-digest@jmdl.com Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, July 2 1998 Volume 03 : Number 237 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC: Best this year/Lucinda again [sherrie.good@chronicle.com] Fwd: Joni Mitchell Headlines Old Town School of Folk Music... [FredNow@ao] Re: Woodstock questions (NJC) [LRFye@aol.com] Re: Re: Loaded Words (sjc) [FredNow@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Devicevness (sp?) [Scott Price ] JC: Chicago and Oprah [kbarnicle@ensr.com] Re: more joni's voice [Marsha Doyle ] Re: Re: so bitter and so sweet..(JC) [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Joni in Chicago [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Leon Russel's _Wedding Album_ ["James A. Murray" ] NJC Drag & dropping articles [Steve Dulson ] Religion in politics--NJC [Al.Date@Eng.Sun.COM (Al Date)] Re: Horse With No Name [IVPAUL42@aol.com] drag and drop [Alex Neubert ] Re: chicago performance ["Mark Domyancich" ] Leon Russel's _Wedding Album_ (NJC) ["James A. Murray" ] I'm Sorry!!!!!!!! [michael paz ] little green [Alex Neubert ] not-Woodstock Townshend ["Hollander, Frank" ] Re: Old town show [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Labor Day Weekend Jonifest- Update (NJC) [Ashara@aol.com] I did it again!! (NJC) [Ashara@aol.com] Re: Woodstock questions [JRMCo1@aol.com] chicago media blitz: read for those interested [Wolfebite@aol.com] Re: Old town show ["Mark Domyancich" ] Dylan and Diversity and Joni and all that stuff ["Hollander, Frank" ] Re: NJC [Susan McNamara ] Re: Multiple Organums [Thomas Ross ] Joni on VH1 [FMYFL@aol.com] Happy 4th (NJC) ["Don Rowe" ] Re: NJC: Best this year [Thomas Ross ] Joni In Chicago [Steve Dulson ] Re: Pope bans contraception, euthanasia, women priests [FredNow@aol.com] Re: more joni's voice [jan gyn ] Re: Joni in stock [Brian Gross ] Re: NJC [jan gyn ] Re: Joni In Chicago [Janet Hess ] 1400 [Steve Dulson ] 1400 [Steve Dulson ] Re: Joni Mitchell Headlines Old Town School of Folk Music... [BH1248@aol.] I'm back... [Michael Yarbrough ] 1400 [Steve Dulson ] NJC [Ginny McCord ] Re: 1400 ["Deb Messling" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:44:22 -0500 From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com Subject: Re: NJC: Best this year/Lucinda again i second Paul's comment that Lucinda Williams 'Car Wheels On A Gravel Road' IS the best recording of 1998. i know i've been shamelessly plugging her of late, but compared to some of the other recent posts, all i can say is, at least i'm talking about music... i spoke to a few folks privately about her appearance on Letterman Tuesday night. she performed the single form the CD, 'Right On Time.' this song is fine, and no one can sing the word 'television' like Lucinda "I stand over the stove in the kitchen Watch the water boil and I listen Turn off the television Oh my baby" but, i don't think 'Right On Time' showcases her voice like the song 'Still I Long For Your Kiss.' my god... go buy this CD NOW. this song will blow you away. she does have a strong 'Louzeeanna' accent, wish i adore. the title track is superb. Paul, have you seen the poster advertising the CD? it features a beautiful head shot of her sitting inside the same car that appears in the photo on the back of the jewel case. unfortunately this photo (the head shot) does not appear in the CD. it was taken by my friend, Shelby Lee Adams. Lucinda credits his first book of photos, 'Appalachian Portraits', as well as 'Juke Joint' by Birney Imes as inspirations for the song '2 Kool 2 Be-4-Gotten.' this song is "cool as shit." you can quote me! it is frickin' great! BTW, she used an Imes shot from his book on the cover of the jewel case... I would have used Shelby's head shot on the cover, but hey, who am i but an art director! i'm in love with this CD, as well as her other four before it. i love 'Lake Charles' "We used to drive Thru Lafayette and Baton Rouge In a yellow El Camino Listening to Howlin' Wolf He liked to stop in Lake Charles 'Cause that's the place he loved the most" sherrie still playing Lucinda's new one, and Dwight's new one 'A Long Way Home' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:46:28 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Joni Mitchell Headlines Old Town School of Folk Music... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_899401588_boundary Content-ID: <0_899401588@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII So, naturally, I called for tickets. Just one little (not so little) problem ... tix are $5000 a pair. Can you say "Rockefeller"? - -Fred - --part0_899401588_boundary Content-ID: <0_899401588@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: AOLNews@aol.com Return-path: Subject: Joni Mitchell Headlines Old Town School of Folk Music... Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 02:04:42 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Joni Mitchell Headlines Old Town School of Folk Music Grand Opening Benefit Concert at School's New Home The Chicago Folk Center, Friday Evening, September 18 Intimate Concert Marks Mitchell's First Chicago Engagement in Over 10 Years; September 18-20 Festival Weekend Also Features Old Town Reunion Concert CHICAGO, July 2 /PRNewswire/ -- A rare and intimate performance by the legendary singer/songwriter Joni Mitchell, with special guest Peter Yarrow, will inaugurate the Old Town School of Folk Music's new home, the Chicago Folk Center, at 4544 North Lincoln Avenue, on Friday evening, September 18, 1998, at 8 p.m. The grand opening benefit concert will be performed in the Old Town School's new, state-of-the-art, 425-seat concert hall and marks Ms. Mitchell's first Chicago appearance in more than ten years. Concert tickets will be available on a first-come, first-served basis, and include a pre-concert gala dinner. For ticket information, please call the Old Town School at 773-525-7793. The concert marks the start of the School's Chicago Folk Center inaugural season, generously sponsored by Sara Lee Foundation. The concert also kicks off the Old Town School of Folk Music Grand Opening Festival, the weekend of September 18-20, celebrating the School's new 43,000-square-foot home. The public is invited to visit the Chicago Folk Center at two free open house events, Saturday, September 19, and Sunday, September 20, from 10 a.m.-5 p.m., including participatory workshops, featured performances, informative demonstrations and tours. Main stage performers over the weekend include Special Consensus (bluegrass), Sons of the Never Wrong (folk), Jackie Allen Band (jazz), Bucktown Barbecue Band (blues), Efambody (music of Senegal), Sones de Mexico, Larry Nugent & Friends (Irish), and more. Family stage performers will include Jodi Koplin, Linda Robertson, Mark Dvorak, Ralph Covert, Sandy Lucas, Reggio the Hoofer, and the Old Town School Kids in performance. Saturday evening, September 19, a special surprise guest (to be revealed shortly) will take the stage at 8 p.m., in the first public concert at the Chicago Folk Center. Sunday afternoon, September 20, will be a special Old Town School Reunion concert with Ray Nordstrand, School Founder Frank Hamilton, Fred Holstein, Corky Siegel, Ella Jenkins, Jim & Janet Post, Mark Dvorak, Bonnie Koloc, Ed Holstein and other members of the Old Town School family. The inaugural season momentum continues through December, with a series of exciting headliners and monthly free, open houses. Fans of folk, world, and acoustic music will have reason to rejoice as the Old Town School of Folk Music, America's oldest permanent school of folk music, unveils its new $7 million home -- the Chicago Folk Center -- dramatically expanding the concert, education and resource facilities which have made the School a national folk music authority in its 41-year history. The expansion, spanning 43,000 square feet over four floors, will offer students and concertgoers a new concert hall, double the number of teaching spaces now available at the School's current home at 909 West Armitage, an enlarged music and information resource center and a public cafe. The 909 West Armitage site will remain open as the Old Town School of Folk Music's Children's Center. The Old Town School is honored to present as the inaugural performer in its new home, Joni Mitchell, arguably the most talented female singer-songwriter of the Woodstock era and beyond. Born Roberta Jean Anderson in November 1943 in Alberta, Canada, Joni Mitchell turned to folk singing while at art school and performed in the folk clubs of Toronto's Yorktown area. From there, she became a regular on the East Coast folk circuit with her then folksinger- husband, Chuck Mitchell, and some of her earliest songs were recorded by Judy Collins and Tom Rush. Mitchell's numerous hits, such as "Both Sides Now," "Woodstock," and "Big Yellow Taxi," span 30 years of one of the most influential recording careers in contemporary music. A Reprise/Warner Bros. recording artist since her first release, "Joni Mitchell," in 1968, Ms. Mitchell is putting the finishing touches on her latest, "Taming the Tiger." The Old Town School Grand Opening Festival weekend is sponsored by the Carlucci Hospitality Group, Draft Worldwide, the Richard Driehaus Foundation, WFMT-FM, and WXRT-FM. For more information on Grand Opening Festival activities, please call the Old Town School of Folk Music at 773-525-7793. SOURCE Old Town School of Folk Music CO: Old Town School of Folk Music ST: Illinois IN: EDU ENT SU: 07/02/98 02:00 EDT http://www.prnewswire.com To edit your profile, go to keyword NewsProfiles. For all of today's news, go to keyword News. - --part0_899401588_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:02:25 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Woodstock questions (NJC) Deb M. wrote: > If Lou Reed, Richie Havens and Pete Townsend tour on a regular basis, wouldn't many of their fans wait for a cheaper event? Richie Havens recently appeared in New Jersey, along with Jonatha Brooke. So perhaps his fans' thirst has been recently quenched and they won't be as apt to check him out at the Garden. > But is a Townsend show a big, freaking event??? Possibly. But remember, we're all older now, and hopefully more mellow ... And there's still this one thought in my mind: Joni singing "Woodstock" at Yasgur's Farm. I think this may be a once-in-a-lifetime chance ... Lori in San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:03:50 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Loaded Words (sjc) In a message dated 7/2/98 4:56:51 AM, rosst@union.edu wrote: >On Wed, 1 Jul 1998 FredNow@aol.com wrote: > >> From: Marsha Doyle >> >> >> > IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: >> >> > Obviously, you need to smoke some of Crosby's "collector's only" killer weed >> >> > for there lyrics to start making sense! ;>) Oy ... Tom wrote, Fred wrote, Marsha wrote, Paul wrote ... Just wanted to clarify before we go another level deep of quoting that I only commented on Crosby's killer weed, not Tom's lyrics, which *do* make sense to me. And, so, what does *that* say about me? (insert emoticon here) - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 10:56:58 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: (NJC) Devicevness (sp?) At 01:11 AM 7/2/98 -0700, Kakki wrote: >Honest and sincere disagreement in views sparks spirited and often >enlightening debate. Baiting and throwing out controversial topics unconnected >to any thread just to get a rise out of someone tends to insult and offend the >collectively high I.Q. of the people on this list who can tell the difference. I hereby nominate this post to be included in the "welcome to the JMDL" message that everyone receives. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:05:25 EDT From: kbarnicle@ensr.com Subject: JC: Chicago and Oprah Here is Oprah web site e-mail address: www.oprah.com/email-oprah.html I've just sent a note about having Joni as a guest when she is in town. Anyone else care to send on in! I think so! Go now! Katie from the Cape (lot's of 4th traffic outside my window) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 14:04:35 -0400 From: Marsha Doyle Subject: Re: more joni's voice Catherine Turley wrote: > This woman spent the whole time I sat next to her > clutching my elbow and knee, in one little ecstasy after another over > Joni's voice. > don't know how the microphones could have failed to > pick up on forty minutes of "Oh my gawd! Oh my gawd! Do you hear her? > Do you hear that voice? My gawd! I had no IDEA!" Kinky... Marsha, "I'll have what she's having!" from that scene in "When Harry Met Sally" and now that silly shampoo commercial ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:08:12 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: so bitter and so sweet..(JC) In a message dated 7/2/98 8:50:08 AM, docnurse@VoyagerOnline.net wrote: >Oh, Fred...calling Fred Simon... >I'll be heading up to the Windy City for sure if tickets aren't >snatched up by the glitterati. Say, Marsha, can I borrow $5000? - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:08:59 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in Chicago In a message dated 98-07-02 13:01:34 EDT, JRMCo1@aol.com writes: << Great idea, Denise. Timing should be perfect for the TTT release. I'll e- mail Oprah, too. >> So, if I may ask, why are both of you keeping Oprah's e-mail address a secret? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:11:00 -0700 From: "James A. Murray" Subject: Leon Russel's _Wedding Album_ Does anyone know where I can find a copy of this album? Was it ever put on CD? Our first dance at our wedding will be to "Rainbow in Your Eyes", but we are using the version by Al Jarreau. Great song by Russel which he sings on his album _Glow_. I'd like to hear what else Leon wrote for weddings. thanks jimbo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:11:12 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: NJC Drag & dropping articles The OTHER Steve D. wrote: >It would be beneficial for me (and perhaps >others) to limit the cutting/pasting of articles UNrelated to Joni to >perhaps one paragraph? And Kenny G.wrote: >I think that the ideal thing to do, when articles need to be referred to, >is to >simply mention that there is an article on such and such, and to provide the >URL location. Both excellent suggestions. Yes, this is my "me too!" post for the year! ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:10:42 -0700 From: Al.Date@Eng.Sun.COM (Al Date) Subject: Religion in politics--NJC In spite of my "well-established" reputation here on the Joni list, I have only been here for about 4 months, so I honestly don't know what happened in the past with respect to feminism, religion, politics, gays and/or guns. When I arrived, all I remember hearing about gays is that they seemed to be in higher proportions on the list than in the actual world--with some agreement about Joni's music being timeless and appealing to all gender-prefs? With respect to Catholicism, I don't believe that I attacked the religion. I forwarded an article that could be construed as unfavorable to the leader of that religion, but the article was sympathetic to other, reform-minded Catholics in this country. And I certainly would not deny anyone their choice to worship any religion. Religion is a private matter, and it should stay that way. But when the boss of an organized religion attempts to influence public policy, he opens himself up for criticism. The two articles I posted were relevant because they demonstrate religion creeping into politics; attempting to deny human choice-- in the one case to ban euthanasia and contraception; in the other, to marginalize homosexuals. The nations of the world which have allowed religion to dominate politics, such as Iran, have generally been characterized by severe oppression. In Europe, the Inquisition lasted over 900 years, until Napoleon finally and forcibly stopped it, in the early 19th Century. The ability to separate Church and State has made the United States one of the most tolerant and diverse nations in history, in spite of the way we mistreated the original inhabitants. At least we did learn something from our own experience of witch-burning and punishing heretics (free-thinkers). So it really gets my hackles up when I see powerful people shamelessly using religion as a tool of oppression in this country. - --Al Date ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:11:45 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Horse With No Name In a message dated 98-07-02 13:17:34 EDT, Michael writes: << I was wondering if any of you out there know what the song Horse With No Name by America is about. >> It's about 2 minutes and 48 seconds. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 14:11:46 -0400 From: Alex Neubert Subject: drag and drop i agree with steve d. it's an eyeful Alex Neubert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 13:13:50 -0500 From: "Mark Domyancich" Subject: Re: chicago performance Kenny- She seems to be a fan of everyone else. I remember when the Bee Gee's were on and she said, "Oh! I'm your #1 fan!" and when they did a song (Probably 'Stayin' Alive' cus they're 1 hit wonders) the camera was on her and she attempted to mouth out the words. Do you call that being a #1 fan? I doubt it. That would be cool if we could have a concert caravan, Chicago's 3 hrs. from here. _________________________________________ Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net "Shadows have the saddest things to say." -Joni Mitchell _________________________________________ Kenny wrote: wrote: < <> i'm sure it's already been posted but just in case: <> <> Joni Mitchell Headlines Old Town School of Folk Music Grand Opening Benefit <> Concert at School's New Home -- The Chicago Folk Center, Friday Evening, <> September 18 < ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:17:16 -0700 From: "James A. Murray" Subject: Leon Russel's _Wedding Album_ (NJC) Apologies for forgetting to mark this previous message NJC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 13:18:28 -0500 From: "Mark Domyancich" Subject: Re: bitter so bitter Just who decides what ticket prices are? I sure hope Joni didn't choose $5,000. Maybe they have the decimal point wrong? $50.00? Fellow Illinoisan Doug wrote: Subject: I'm Sorry!!!!!!!! To all listers: I just noticed that on the last digest I failed to use the NJC thing on several posts, where I ranted and for this I am very sorry. I will continue to try to keep it to Joni content and when I can't help myself I will try to use the NJC markings. In other news my boss just told me we may be going to the Woodstock 98 to actually work. Yippie I can go see Joni and get paid. Joining that new list now. Peace, Michael NP-Changes-Yes from Yesyears ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 14:19:18 -0400 From: Alex Neubert Subject: little green sue, i agree, if anyone really listens, not only to the words but the feeling which JONI puts into them, you can't help but hear the pain and realize how much she cared about this child and how much she loved this child. this is one of my fav songs but of its depth of emotion - i cry everytime i hear it - it is soooo beautiful! Alex Neubert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:20:13 -0700 From: "Hollander, Frank" Subject: not-Woodstock Townshend Deb Messling said: >But *DO* these guys tour regularly? I think Lou Reed does. But is a >Townsend show a big, freaking event??? Pete Townshend has done a fair amount of "limited" solo touring during the 90's, which means only that he's hit the biggest of the big cities, which may mean that New York folks may be a bit unimpressed. But I'd certainly trade my Bob/Joni/Van experience (the Gorge) for a chance to see that not-Woodstock lineup. Of course, if they play somewhere, there will always be bootlegs... Frank ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:25:47 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Old town show In a message dated 98-07-02 14:19:49 EDT, Harpua@revealed.net writes: << Just who decides what ticket prices are? I sure hope Joni didn't choose $5,000. Maybe they have the decimal point wrong? $50.00? >> It is a fundraiser, probably to pay for part of the cost of renovating that old library into the OTSOFM's new theater. It will raise about $1 million. It's a good cause, though it would be nice if WTTW, Chicago's public tv station, recorded it for broadcast and posterity. If I recall correctly from my Chicago days, WTTW used to produce a show called "Soundstage," which was the folk/rock version of "Austin City Limits." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:26:39 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Labor Day Weekend Jonifest- Update (NJC) Thought I would send this to the whole list in case there were some "on the fence" people out there that might topple off onto the party side. ;-) (Apologies for the bandwith for those that could care less!) I talked to Chuck E. (aka: Maestro & Master of Music) last night to roll around some more ideas for the music end of the " New England Jonifest". We are so excited- just like two little kids in a candy store! We are praying for good weather, because a lot of what we want to do will depend on cooperation from Mother Nature. Our goal is to have something for everyone, so that everyone that comes will have as much of a full experience as possible, and will feel part of the whole. From early afternoon until around 9PM, there will be a "Main Stage" outside (BostonStock) where there will be a whole sound system set up for those that would like to "perform". ****Remember, "If you can talk, you can sing."**** This "stage" will be open to EVERYONE!!! There will be plenty of blanket space, for your listening pleasure, and plenty of food, festivity, and fun! (Thanks to the Cordial Culinary Queen, the Divine Diva of Decorations, and the Sultan of Stupenduous Surprises.) We are also planning on having some space for "workshops", where those that want to learn from each other can have the space and time to do that. (Now what was that chord.....??) In the evening, after we surrender to the insects, (and retreat in deference to the neighbors), we will move the party inside and continue the party "unplugged". Along with sing-a-longs, Joni Trivia, (thanks to Katie from the Cape, aka: Terrific Trivia Transcriber) prizes and surprises, it should be a party to remember. So.....please RSVP right away if you haven't already done so, and make reservations either for bed/floor/tent space at the party site, or at the nearby hotel. (Please note: for the special hotel rate, the reservation must be made by August 5th.) Then get ready to pack your bags and your instruments, and head on down to BostonStock, '98!!! To check out more details, please send a blank message to: info-jonifestne@jmdl.com ***All attendees must get back to me ASAP with the information requested, including the questionaire. Please return the info soon, as I will have less time to sort through everything as the date gets closer. (Even if you think you *might* attend, please don't wait until the last minute to respond.) If you are interested in more "BostonStock" talk, join the special mailing list at: jonifestne@jmdl.com Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:37:14 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: I did it again!! (NJC) I wrote: << If you are interested in more "BostonStock" talk, join the special mailing list at: jonifestne@jmdl.com >> Actually, you need to send your name to Les@jmdl.com to join the list. (Sorry) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:45:20 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Woodstock questions In a message dated 98-07-02 13:17:39 EDT, les@jmdl.com writes: << My argument in favor of going is that the steep ticket price will keep casual fans away. If Lou Reed, Richie Havens and Pete Townsend tour on a regular basis, wouldn't many of their fans wait for a cheaper event? Leaving the festival to rabid Joni fans who haven't seen their heroine in 15 years?...But *DO* these guys tour regularly? I think Lou Reed does. But is a Townsend show a big, freaking event??? >> I've got tickets to Richie Havens on July 25 at Osher Marin Jewish Community Center in Marin County, California. He's performing in what is essentially a picnic area on the grounds there. Not a large venue. Very small. I'm talking tiny. He is on tour, but he wouldn't draw many people, I don't think, except for him being associated with being the first performer at the original Woodstock and his great heartfelt performance of "Freedom" featured on the Woodstock movie ("Sometimes I feel like a motherless child..."). Which reminds me, there's a great bit on Wally's website about Joni and Richie's Woodstock adventures. (http://jonimitchell.com/Roth98.html) It's near the end of Wally's interview with Mark Roth, who took all the photos for Joni's first album (STAS or JM, your call). He was Richie's manager and co- songwriter at the time of Woodstock. Great interview, Wally, per usual. (I now know that Wally and Richie are both Aquarians, among other things.) Out of curiosity I visited Haven's web site at http://www.richiehavens.com. Fairly cool. Only showed 568 hits since last May, though. Interestingly, on his "links" page there were but three links listed. One was for the web site of his guitar maker. One was for a site dedicated in part to him in the UK. The other was for our beloved JoniMitchell.com. Don't take my word for it...go see for yourself. Synchro: Havens recently appeared on Oprah it says there. I don't know much about Townsend. I think he has a few fans still. Saw him do a surprise acoustic set at Neil Young's yearly benefit 2 years ago. But remember folks, they're only selling 30,000 tickets per show...just a few thousand more than venues on Joni's recent mini tour with Dylan and Morrison. They will sell-out, I'm sure. In fact, they're betting the farm on it. ;-) - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:51:59 EDT From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: chicago media blitz: read for those interested This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_899405520_boundary Content-ID: <0_899405520@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hello all here's what I wrote to WXRT at the to: address below: (comments@wxrt.com) you too can do the same. they would be the most likely source to produce something. I like Paul's suggestion to contact our local public broadcast station- WTTW. www.wttw.com or email comments to (104124.1612@compuserve.com), the link address for comments from there website. I just emailed them a similar letter as below. I'm just beside myself to think that she'll be in chicago and not play anywhere else! maybe she will and no annoucements have been made! damn it's frustrating... maybe i should dump gene and fix myself up with a doctor...hmm.......... (sorry gene) << Subj: joni! Date: 98-07-02 13:49:58 EDT From: Wolfebite To: comments@wxrt.com hello everyone at xrt and thanks for such a great radio station! i heard the annoucement about the joni mitchell/peter yarrow concert/fundraiser for OTSFM and was thrilled! until i called about the price. $5,000.00 a pair is WAY out of my range. so dear friends at WXRT! how about a breakfast with brehmer while joni's in town? or maybe something else- another smaller, intimate concert at say a fraction of the cost? it would make soooooo many of us joni fans soooooo happy. i'm a member of the joni mitchell discussion list internet community (www.jmdl.com- also see: www.jonimitchell.com), and we keep each other posted about concerts and events- and brainstorm ways to entice joni to play out. best to you all doug stapleton wolfebite@aol.com >> - --part0_899405520_boundary Content-ID: <0_899405520@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Wolfebite@aol.com Return-path: To: comments@wxrt.com Subject: joni! Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:49:58 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hello everyone at xrt and thanks for such a great radio station! i heard the annoucement about the joni mitchell/peter yarrow concert/fundraiser for OTSFM and was thrilled! until i called about the price. $5,000.00 a pair is WAY out of my range. so dear friends at WXRT! how about a breakfast with brehmer while joni's in town? or maybe something else- another smaller, intimate concert at say a fraction of the cost? it would make soooooo many of us joni fans soooooo happy. i'm a member of the joni mitchell discussion list internet community (www.jmdl.com- also see: www.jonimitchell.com), and we keep each other posted about concerts and events- and brainstorm ways to entice joni to play out. best to you all doug stapleton wolfebite@aol.com 773.728.3473 - --part0_899405520_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 13:55:47 -0500 From: "Mark Domyancich" Subject: Re: Old town show Sorry for being so insensitive! I feel less mad at the cost now (Though I still am). _________________________________________ Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net "Shadows have the saddest things to say." -Joni Mitchell _________________________________________ > Subject: Dylan and Diversity and Joni and all that stuff Compared to Dylan fandom, Joni Mitchell seems to have a very unified fan base. Aside from being a 60's icon for both folk and electric material, Dylan has gone through the country phase, the moody Blood on the Tracks/Desire era, the born-again era, and difficult-to-pin-down era since (I'd say it's a combination of toned-down moralizing and dazed introspection). And he's been touring heavily for over a decade, yet is very distant from the fans. The Dylan fan community comes from all these eras, and they all claim ownership. What a mess! The Sinead incident is just the tip of the iceberg (my take on that is that the booing was not heavy and certainly not universal, but Sinead blew an otherwise gutsy bit of protest by not "just singing" through it). There's no safe material to discuss about Dylan among fans on the internet. Based on my years of lurking in Dylan internet fandom, the only thing that really bothers me about what I've seen here is the trashing of other performers. By this I mean the comments like "X isn't fit to tie Joni's shoes" (I made that one up). This has been pretty common in Dylan fan circles, and is appalling. With Joni Mitchell the issue is perhaps a bit more complicated because she's done something of the sort herself at times. But for people here, I encourage you to remain silent if you don't think Performer/Artist/Human X is worthy of discussion/popularity/acclaim/etc. Enjoy what you enjoy and support whom you like, but you're not fooling anyone into believing your favorites are better just because you've slammed someone else's. Frank ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 12:19:05 -0700 From: Ginny McCord Subject: NJC I am embarrassed to say that I do not know what NJC stands for. Would someone tell me? I have been mostly a lurker for about 6 months (already?) now. Reading your comments everyday has been a little luxury in my schedule, but I have more to learn about the rules… Ginny ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:21:57 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: NJC NJC means no joni content. This is just a courtesy for people who only have time to read and talk about Joni and not the other side issues that come up while talking in a large group!! I enjoy both NJC and JC content but lately the volume of posts has made it impossible for me to read everything. The labeling NJC helps me to delete with a little less remorse!!! :-) Take care, Sue >I am embarrassed to say that I do not know what NJC stands for. Would >someone tell me? I have been mostly a lurker for about 6 months >(already?) now. Reading your comments everyday has been a little luxury >in my schedule, but I have more to learn about the rules… > >Ginny ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:33:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Ross Subject: Re: Multiple Organums multiple anythings usually give levity, and sometimes beauty. tRy Howard Johnson's [sic] multiple tuba bands. one good one with Taj Mahal, WHO incidentally did a pretty good crossover record with a kora player. glenn branca: HOW many electric guitars at once, all turned up to 11? and Drs. "4" Bob (a subgenius band): "This one chick says, "Aren't one of those boys that was playing in that real strange rock 'n' roll party band that had those fifteen guitar players, all playing something different? That rock 'n' roll party band over by the old oak tree down in Forgotopay County, and they were wearing those funny hats which were beyond description, and were playing so badly that even the corn were covering their ears? And they were the ones that had those fifteen guitars all plugged into each other to create a living, self-feeding feedback force which kept growing and couldn't be stopped, even by the Fantastic Four, Super Fly, Shaft, James Bond, Kung Fu, and J. R. "Bob" Dobbs all put together, that feedback force which is destined to grow to infinite size, and alter the entire vibrational frequency of the Squirtin' Universe? That rock n'n roll party band that has a guitar hooked up into a TV set, hooked up into a telephone, hooked up into a Betamax, hooked up into Jones' big, fat dick, hooked up into a pocket calculator, hooked up into a home computer, hooked up into a machine gun? And all held together with BIG RED STRAPS?" . . . TR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:52:39 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Joni on VH1 Sorry to repeat my question from a few days ago, but since I didn't get a reply, thought I'd try again. I was on vacation for a couple of weeks, but before I left, a few people on the JMDL had posted that Joni was going to be on VH1. Has it already aired? Please let me know. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 13:18:16 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Happy 4th (NJC) Everybody enjoy the long weekend, and we'll se y'all next week! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:26:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Ross Subject: Re: NJC: Best this year YEs although I'm not a big country fan, the R Stone review (with a rare 4 and a half stars) got my curiosity up. TR On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, H. Paul Davis wrote: > >NP: Lucinda Willaims, 'Car Wheels On A Gravel Road' > >... excellent... > > > Anybody interested should check out this very, very good album. I highly > recommend it, and give it my vote for the best album (by far) this year. > > Paul - Who now thinks Lucinda may be the best lyricist recording today. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:40:34 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Joni In Chicago A few thoughts on the Chicago Joni benefit. 1) The OTSFM is a *very* worthwhile outfit to support. They do a tremendous amount of good promoting folk music and dance. 2) I was at a workshop at Folk Alliance in February where Peter Yarrow and Jim....er, I'm flaking on his last name, the director of OTSFM...discussed their very successful fundraising events. One comment Jim made: "It takes as much time to raise $10,000 as it does to raise $100". 3) 425/2*5,000 = $ 1,062,500. Whew! 4) Most people going to an event like this, and willing to shell out $5,000, are going there to socialize with their philanthropic, high society friends. They aint going there to hear "The Three Great Stimulants" or "Slouching Towards Bethlehem". 5) There is no number 5. 6) Given (4) above, how about if Joni's management buys, say, four tickets and donates them to the JMDL/JMHP. Les and Wally could then either a) auction them off to raise funds to support the list and their sites, or b) give them as prizes in a contest. Either way, it would ensure that some Joni fans were in the audience. The OTSFM gets the money, Joni's management gets the tax write-off...win-win situation. Just a thought. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:53:40 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Pope bans contraception, euthanasia, women priests From: jan gyn >As did I. And then was terribly dismayed to hear the audience at a Bob Dylan >tribute booing her soon after ... Bob Dylan, mind you! The irony ... > >-Fred > >>That's one of the reasons I despise most of those dinosaurs... well, >>the male ones, anyway's. They've become compliant and soft, and it >>shows in their muzak. Whoa, whoa, whoa, Jan ... I said that Dylan's *audience* booed her, not Dylan himself. You can't blame him for them; my comment was meant to disparage their ignorance. Besides, from the reports of the Dylan-Joni-Van concerts I read it seemed like Bob was rockin' hard and testifyin'. And his work still stands as a major legacy ... you can't take that away from him. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 01:57:36 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: more joni's voice At 02:04 PM 7/2/98 -0400, you wrote: >Catherine Turley wrote: > >> don't know how the microphones could have failed to >> pick up on forty minutes of "Oh my gawd! Oh my gawd! Do you hear her? >> Do you hear that voice? My gawd! I had no IDEA!" > >Kinky... > >Marsha, "I'll have what she's having!" from that scene in "When Harry > Met Sally" and now that silly shampoo commercial > Ally McBeal at her first JM show: Oh- My- GOD! Oh- My- GOD! etc. I just saw the Smashing Pumpkins (free ticket) and the girl behind me SCREAMED throughout the whole show. I felt like I was in a slaughterhouse or something. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:56:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Joni in stock - ---TerryM wrote: > > Jacky writes: > > << I sense that there is an increase of interest in JM in the UK at present so > this could be an ideal time for her to visit and promote the new album >> > > I've been noticing the same thing here (U.S.); the record stores have a much > better Joni selection these days, and the bookstores are all carrying her > poem/lyric book, which I promptly pull out and openly display for all the > uninformed. Good idea about the Lyric book Terry ! Every store I shop in, I always browse the music section, and being as anal as I am, I put the Joni section in chronological order. And I try to spread it into as many bins as possible, increasing her exposure. Brian _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 02:06:06 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: NJC At 03:21 PM 7/2/98 -0400, you wrote: >NJC means no joni content. This is just a courtesy for people who only >snip >Take care, Sue > Up until yesterday I thought NJC had something to do with the New Jersey Joni fans! - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 17:11:09 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: Joni In Chicago Hey! I want the entire universe to know the *REAL* reason Joni is highlighting the opening on September 18. It's because September 18th is my birthday and, with any luck at all, I will turn FIFTY. Clearly, Joni wants to celebrate. How typical of Joni that she doesn't do things part way. It's all or nothing. Cheerz, Janet, who is at the moment getting her party hats ready ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:01:25 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: 1400 yrtyrsty ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:01:25 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: 1400 yrtyrsty ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:43:27 EDT From: BH1248@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Headlines Old Town School of Folk Music... << So, naturally, I called for tickets. Just one little (not so little) problem ... tix are $5000 a pair. Can you say "Rockefeller"? >> Can you say "Raised on Robbery"? Bob NP: the new Lucinda Williams, fresh out of the shrinkwrap ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 18:04:53 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: I'm back... and wading through the messages. Had a lovely lunch w/ Wolfebite yesterday in Chi-town. Left a little gift that may help him forget about the $5000... Looking forward to Patrick and Duane arriving... On Oprah--it's definitely a possibility, but don't think for a minute that it will be any easier to get tickets. Oprah's waiting list is years-long, and people just watch whatever show they're lucky enough to get tix for. Some family from Dubuque has your tix to Joni's show already, and they got on the list in March of '96. But! I have another idea! Isn't there a second season of _Sessions at West 54th_ in the works? W/ Chris Douridas as host, I would be very surprised if Joni *didn't* perform in conjunction w/ TTT's release. And I happen to know that when Patti Smith performed anyone on her email discussion list who wanted free tix to the performance got them. So contacts, what's the scoop?! - --Michael NP: Space Monkeys, _The Daddy of Them All_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:01:25 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: 1400 yrtyrsty ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 15:50:59 -0700 From: Ginny McCord Subject: NJC Thanks, everyone for your prompt and thoughtful answer to my question, and to those I might have had! Ginny ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:19:24 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: 1400 Is this a riddle? Am I really dense? > yrtyrsty > > > ############################################################## > Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com Deb Messling "Without music, life would be an error." --Friedrich Nietzsche ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #237 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?