From: owner-joni-digest@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #236 Reply-To: Sender: owner-joni-digest@jmdl.com Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, July 2 1998 Volume 03 : Number 236 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC Devicevness (sp?) ["Kakki" ] Re: Loaded Words (sjc) [Thomas Ross ] Re: JC/SJC: The Garden, accordion redemption, my videodoc [Thomas Ross ] so bitter and so sweet..(JC) [Wolfebite@aol.com] (NJC) JMDL and Handling NJC ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Republicans fight -- NJC [catman ] Caribbean Trip [Michael Paz ] Re: so bitter and so sweet..(JC) [Marsha Doyle ] threads and topics and flames, etc. NJC of sorts [Mary Grace Valentinsson] These times [Sue ] Re: Hurt feelings (NJC) [Marsha Doyle ] Contemplation of Burmese (connectionlessness) [DKasc13293@aol.com] No Apologies [DKasc13293@aol.com] Re: Joni in stock [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Joni in stock ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Clarinets NJC [TerryM2442@aol.com] Drag & dropping articles ["Daugherty, Stephen" ] Re: threads,topics and flames, etc. SJC [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: so bitter and so sweet..(JC) [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: so bitter and so sweet..(JC) ["Don Rowe" ] JC: Trivia Update [kbarnicle@ensr.com] NJC Divisiveness [Steve Dulson ] chicago performance [Alex Neubert ] Remember the large/small venue thread? ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Pope bans contraception, euthanasia, women priests [jan gyn ] The "dinosaur" thread ["Don Rowe" ] Joni in Chicago [Denisongs@aol.com] Michael Hedges (SJC) ["Kay Ashley" ] Re: Joni in Chicago [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: chicago performance [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] Re: Drag & dropping articles [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] Hurt feelings (NJC) [Bounced Message ] Re: NJC: Best this year ["H. Paul Davis" (by way of] Horse With No Name [Bounced Message ] Woodstock questions [Bounced Message ] more joni's voice [Bounced Message ] bitter so bitter [Wolfebite@aol.com] Re: Pope bans contraception, euthanasia, women priests [JRMCo1@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 01:11:39 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC Devicevness (sp?) Steve Dulson wrote: >Obviously, Mr Date is aware that the two issues that have caused the >most trouble on this list are sexuality and politics. Flame wars, >people leaving, people being banished. Just as the mother/shame >furor is dying down, Mr Date wants to stir things up again. I >consider these posts to be deliberate incitement (sorry if my >spelling aint too good right now. I'm a little upset). Two cents: Honest and sincere disagreement in views sparks spirited and often enlightening debate. Baiting and throwing out controversial topics unconnected to any thread just to get a rise out of someone tends to insult and offend the collectively high I.Q. of the people on this list who can tell the difference. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 05:56:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Ross Subject: Re: Loaded Words (sjc) On Wed, 1 Jul 1998 FredNow@aol.com wrote: > From: Marsha Doyle > > > > IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > > > Obviously, you need to smoke some of Crosby's "collector's only" killer weed > > > for there lyrics to start making sense! ;>) Don't forget 'stop making sense' (David Byrne?). . . and before that, Samuel Beckett: 'I hate common sense.' There are Croz stories regarding this I could relate. . . and my friend/student Will called sensemilla 'senseless amnesia'. .. but although I love it my vocal cords don't: the upper range goes! this together with youth's pliability waning can kill a song, or songfulness. I suspect this has happened to Joan also. I've found that smoking anything not only curtails singing, it buries your voice back inside you. The words trundle along and maybe even rev up higher, but SONG, Song, song gets ever harder to hear and call up. - - hence her recitative in recent albums. and: with one exception (!) none of the words on *Horse of Stone* came from a loaded state. To expand a little on a nugget: The tear thief dreams he cries the less you sleep, the less you dream steal with your eyes awake, stay with your feeling unable to weep, the grief that you keep turns to fear here I think the words get progressively clearer and less dreamlike, finally nailing a truth. FWIW the 1st lines are transpositions from W S Merwin's *Asian Figures*, translations of proverbs: the needle thief dreams of spears and no sleep, no dreams TR > >>Pass me one of them while y'ur at it... > > Marsha, needs some altered > >>state of consciousness right now > > You can't, Cros smoked it all up. It's gone ... there ain't no mo'! > > -Fred > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 06:10:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Ross Subject: Re: JC/SJC: The Garden, accordion redemption, my videodoc I'd love to but 70 BUCKS!?#@ sorry kids. although I'd love to hear the new band. Her drummer was in town here while I was out, alas. yeah the squeezebox family is a big one. standing reeds. the bane of North Indian music, the harmonium, is a relative: it has almost replaced the lovely sarangi, ideal for accompanying vocal because of the slides and nostalgic echo (it's a bowed inst w/leather soundboard and about 30 sympathetic strings!). There are class reasons for sarangi getting edged out also, but harmonium is a clunker compared to it. Similar fates threaten to befall traditional Irish music, where the melodeon easily drowns out the fiddle and whistle. Cool project, Kate! Reminds me a bit of Salinger's families. TR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 12:28:45 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Republicans fight for the soul of the Party-- NJC Al, gays are only tolerated to a certain degree.I hate that word anyhow-it implies something unpleasant. the last gay thread got many gays upset and now don't post much(i know this from private posts). When a gay thread gets going people soon start to complain. Yet the parenting one went on and on without a moan in sight. The JMDL is no different to life in general. colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 12:28:59 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Pope bans contraception, euthanasia, women priests Of course Sinead was right about the Pope-why do you think she was treated so appallingly?!!! colin a recovered catholic ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 08:29:16 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: Republicans fight -- NJC At 12:28 PM 7/2/98 +0100, Colin wrote: >When a gay thread gets going >people soon start to complain. Yet the parenting one went on and on without a >moan in sight. >The JMDL is no different to life in general. Colin, After being on this list for some time, jmdler's probably know by now that some times I take things too personally. So ok, I know you are not referring to me, Colin EVEN though I was active in the parenting thread---As "Don Juan's Fertile Daughter," how could I not be? but I must say that from the bottom of my heart this "deviciveness" discussion has nothing to do with homophobia. Instead I see it as the way Kakki wrote it : "Honest and sincere disagreement in views sparks spirited and often enlightening debate. Baiting and throwing out controversial topics unconnected to any thread just to get a rise out of someone tends to insult and offend the collectively high I.Q. of the people on this list who can tell the difference." For all of you new to the list, I would like to make a generalization and say that I find the jmdlers are a very, loving group of people, who are here in part for the divirsity (sp?) of individuals who post every day. So sometimes we argue and disagree, big whoop. Conversation dynamics fasinate me. If it does you too, read Mary Tannen's "You Just Don't Understand." Julie ZW ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:50:16 EDT From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: so bitter and so sweet..(JC) kids just took gene out to the airport for the start of his vacation out on the westcoast, and on my way into work- crawling through rush hour traffic- i turned on the radio for some relief- xtc's 'earn enough for us' was on- great song- then the dj says- "news of a rare concert appearance by joni mitchell here in chicago coming up in the next half hour" I shouted out loud- and started to cry right there- what a friggin bomb to drop on the expressway!!!!! sweet several commercials/songs later- "Joni mitchell- in chicago in september right after this."..... i was crazy with excitement- thought i might hurl right there on the Kennedy expressway! so the skinny so far is this sept 18, 8pm- a gala benefit concert by joni mitchell and peter yarrow for the opening of the Old Town School of Folk Music's new Folk Music Center. and get this!!!! 425 seat theater! I'm trying to call to get ticket info- but this i fear will be the bitter part! It's a GALA BENEFIT, with dinner and concert, which in this town usually falls in the triple digits! the OTSFM, where I take my dulcimer lessons, is a venerable organization that's moving into the limelight as it were- excellent relations with the city (the new center is in a WPA style city library building that has been closed for many years- the city practically gave it the the school) and aggressive fund-raising! oh, btw, after the announcement, they played 'case of you' -which sounded so fresh! will keep you posted doug (in chicago) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 06:20:22 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: (NJC) JMDL and Handling NJC If anybody wants to find out just how cool most folks are on the jmdl, check out the "Combining Threads" thread ... where we prove that we can laugh through the fire and make up as well as, or better than any other bunch of virtual group therapy participants! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 14:35:30 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Republicans fight -- NJC julie - Iwasn't accusing you or Steve or Kakki. What I wrote had nothing to do with what any of you said. i was pointing out to Al that we gay people do not wish to be tolerated. I was also pointing out that the parenting thread(which I took a part in) went on for quite some time and no one bitched about it. yet when a gay themed thread gets going people soon jump in and complain about it. I was not refering to steve's or Kakki's post, but to Al's. I thought that was clear. colin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 08:41:54 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Caribbean Trip Hi Julie- We started in Miami and took the Cruise Ship Carnival Destiny to San Juan, Puerto Rico, which took two days a sea (very restful). The next day we hit St. Croix, very pretty, but very poor people there. Next it was St. Thomas which is pretty and has some nice beaches, lots of shopping duty free, cheap booze. The two days at sea again passing up Dominican Republic, Haiti, and Cuba. Very restfull trip. I am from Honduras and the island of Roatan is beautiful. Check it out on the web or with your travel agent . Cheers, Michael P.S. I played a bit in the Piano Bar when the guy who was booked there was getting off his shift. I did a couple of my Beatle standards and then closed with Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody. A couple of younger kids asked me about the Joni song afterwards and I talked to them along time about Joni and of course told them about the web page and list. The rest of the crowd was the usual could give a shit unless you play something that has been done in to the ground and I don't do Stairway or Freebird or Jump. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:47:38 -0400 From: Marsha Doyle Subject: Re: so bitter and so sweet..(JC) Wolfebite@aol.com wrote: > > sept 18, 8pm- a gala benefit concert by joni mitchell and peter yarrow for the > opening of the Old Town School of Folk Music's new Folk Music Center. and get > this!!!! 425 seat theater! Oh, Fred...calling Fred Simon... I'll be heading up to the Windy City for sure if tickets aren't snatched up by the glitterati. And my dear, dear, friend, Dougie...your post operative cyber-nurse looks forward to seeing your orchid collection... YeeeeHaaaaa! (Tennessee Yell), Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 07:14:59 -0700 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: Accordians - NJC Al Date drops the mother fixation and moves to accordions, (:-D And MG chimes in with the forbidden "ME TOO!" I've seen "Those Darn Accordions," and they are a blast! Rock classics done over: "We're an American Band" by GFRR translates into: "We're a polka band, we're coming to your town, we're going to polka down." Such fun and worth a night out. The last few bands to play here at Valley featured accordion players and the promo guy told me that other week: "Accordion players get all the chicks." Food for thought, huh? OK, I'm done wasting the bandwidth. Back to work. MG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 07:21:24 -0700 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: threads and topics and flames, etc. NJC of sorts From a digest I read: >>>it looks like, now that mr. date has had his jollies inflaming the faithful with his cruel and sophmoric judgements of joni and her family . Sorry, have to weigh in with "that's unfair." I totally side with Al in bringing up these issues. What I read was someone who just wanted to know about Joni. So what if it was her personal life? As he pointed out, she herself has put her personal life on the table for viewing. Bill D., ( I think) and others have posted that they are only concerned with the art as it hits them personally. Others like the techniques. Well, I am one who enjoys knowing more about an artist's personal life. Not in a "National Enquirer" sort of way, but in a "what makes them tick." Neither way is wrong or to be avoided. I never took Al's posts as "jollies flaming," but rather out loud musings about an artist and what may be behind the muse. That's all. MG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:27:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue Subject: These times I was just thinking what a wonderful time to be a part of this cyber community. When I first started haunting jonimitchell.com (February '96) there was dim talk of a new album sometime in the next year. Now I think of all that has happened since: Les doing lunch Joni and Kilauren reuion Joni reading some threads on Cafe list JoniFest Joni tour Joni meeting the Breesemeister Joni setting up private taping and inviting JMDLers JMDlers meet Joni Joni @ Woodstock What a wonderful time to be an appreciator of SIQOMB's art. Anyone else have a special moment from their time on the list to relate? Sue Cameron (Suze) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 10:33:53 -0400 From: Marsha Doyle Subject: Re: Hurt feelings (NJC) All this bashing of accordians and kazoos is really hurtful to me and a lot of listmembers. I might have to do the "un" word, if my fond memories of roller skating to The Hokey Pokey (accordian version --- check it out!) get further sullied here... Worried, Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:50:39 EDT From: DKasc13293@aol.com Subject: Contemplation of Burmese (connectionlessness) What a day! Questions about Sonic Youth's "Washing Machine"/Washington D.C. and answers of when you mat, cover the white border around the image of the poster. Saw John Kelly do "Little Green" a couple of nights ago in his new "Talk Show". Martha Graham and Joni Mitchell on the same stage was an enchanting experience. That night, I was loving the warm "Breezes" beckoning a thunderhead, which failed to fall on us enroute to the theatre. I've been thinking about the timely issue of Joni's parents' mortality and it having an impact on her art and frame of mind. Myrtles' line is obviously open. "Facelift" represents Joni's communication line is open too. Nothing better. Contemplating the beautiful Gothic details carved into the spiral staircase above the grand piano in Joni's living room. The warmth of the terra cotta floor in the Bel Air sun, juxtaposed against the vast space and vaulted ceilings is in good balance. Considering what people eat on the other side of the world could be worse. Pale orange jumbo shrimp, curry coconut heat and pineapple yellow, snow pea green. Heralding the onset of a hejira coming on, to Washington to the art galleries and fireworks. Remembering to bring my copy of Night Ride Home. Have a good weekend everyone! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:54:32 EDT From: DKasc13293@aol.com Subject: No Apologies Oops, forgot that I sent this post already! Have a good weekend everyone. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:54:46 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in stock In a message dated 7/1/98 4:27:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Gertus@aol.com writes: << I sense that there is an increase of interest in JM in the UK at present so this could be an ideal time for her to visit and promote the new album >> I've been noticing the same thing here (U.S.); the record stores have a much better Joni selection these days, and the bookstores are all carrying her poem/lyric book, which I promptly pull out and openly display for all the uninformed. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 08:03:44 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Joni in stock This is quite true ... thought I'd pass on something I'd been noticing at Blockbuster Music here (St. Louis, so could be regional). They've been doing a 3-$25 sale, and the following titles have been in the rotation week-to-week: Court and Spark (HDCD) Ladies of the Canyon (HDCD) Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (HDCD) Dod Eat Dog Song to a Seagull (HDCD -- I think) so can you say personal feeding frenzy? You betcha! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:08:40 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Clarinets NJC In a message dated 7/1/98 11:41:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net writes: << With that the poor woman let a tremendous fart and of course was visibly embarrassed and distressed. The salesman quickly recovered and said, "That's ok lady, your gonna shit when you hear the price!"..... >> I smell another Hall Of Famer. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:10:05 -0500 From: "Daugherty, Stephen" Subject: Drag & dropping articles This is no invite for a flame, but as a working person who grabs the digest and is overwhelmed by long articles thrown into the forum I would like to make a suggestion. It would be beneficial for me (and perhaps others) to limit the cutting/pasting of articles UNrelated to Joni to perhaps one paragraph? Wouldn't that be enough to make a point? Brevity and clarity are the scapel of persuasion - not? All the long drag & drops just make me want to hit DEL fast. Perhaps other agree... I love free discourse and do not suggest the forced gagging of mouths and opinions....... Loving everything Joni-always. Steve D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:13:18 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Re: Republicans fight -- NJC In a message dated 7/2/98 9:41:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hejira@lycosmail.com writes: << I was also pointing out that the parenting thread (which I took a part in) went on for quite some time and no one bitched about it. >> Actually, as I recall, there was discussion of "enough is enough" on the parenting thread as well. IMHO, this is a group of very intelligent people, who have very diverse and interesting things to say. Usually, when the threads get to a point of people starting to repeat the same points, someone suggests that we start fresh. I also really appreciate the humor when it gets a little intense. I took part in both the "gay" thread and the "parenting" thread, and I feel there is room for everyone's views and threads on this list, (appropriately labeled, of course). The reason I stay on this list, and take the time (which I have very little of) to read everything is because of the wonderful diversity of this crazy group. Thanks to all of you for the "extended family," with all the richness that it encompasses. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:15:40 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Little Green Michael said about a week ago: >In the midst of this adoption thread the lyrics have come up from >"Little Green": > >"You're sad and you're sorry but you're not ashamed" > I think it's important to write out the whole line when discussing what Joni means here you're sad and you're sorry but you're not ashamed of Little Green Have a happy ending I think if she felt shame about getting pregnant or disappointing her parents or giving the child up for adoption, she was not ashamed of this beautiful child who was created out of all of that. This shows the real strength involved in deciding on adoption. It was for the sake of the child, in my opinion. ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:17:43 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: threads,topics and flames, etc. SJC In a message dated 98-07-02 10:20:33 EDT, MGV1@valley-media.com writes: << Sorry, have to weigh in with "that's unfair." I totally side with Al in bringing up these issues. What I read was someone who just wanted to know about Joni. So what if it was her personal life? As he pointed out, she herself has put her personal life on the table for viewing. Bill D., ( I think) and others have posted that they are only concerned with the art as it hits them personally. Others like the techniques. Well, I am one who enjoys knowing more about an artist's personal life. Not in a "National Enquirer" sort of way, but in a "what makes them tick." >> I agree with MaryGrace here. Though I think Al's views and opinions were a little distorted and he might have gone about his questioning of the issues in a better way, certainly we all could do better in that area, especially me. Though I didn't care for some of the things Al said in his musings and inquiring, and disagreed with him on many points, he certainly has the right to do so. I could not care less about guitar tabs (sorry, Sue), but as MG said, "what makes people tick," not only Joni but me and the rest of you who admire/enjoy/idolize her is what I find most interesting. Paul I (With "Getting Better Every Day" wishes to Wally B.!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:20:38 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: so bitter and so sweet..(JC) Wolfebite@aol.com wrote: > > sept 18, 8pm- a gala benefit concert by joni mitchell and peter yarrow for the > opening of the Old Town School of Folk Music's new Folk Music Center. and get > this!!!! 425 seat theater! Good choice of lyrics for this subject. I just called OTSM. Bitter: Tickets are $5000.00 a pair! No word yet on if it's Joni with band or solo. Gala indeed! You also get your name on a seat in the new theatre. I offered to be an usher. The program director said no. :-( Hey! Maybe Oprah or Michael Jordan will sponsor me. A guy can dream, no? - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 08:31:15 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: so bitter and so sweet..(JC) $5000/pair!!! ... "Holy hope in the hands of Snakebite evangelists and racketeers And big wig financiers ..." With great wailing and lamentation ... Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:55:08 EDT From: kbarnicle@ensr.com Subject: JC: Trivia Update Hello all! Many thanks to all those that have been sending in the trivia questions. Wow, have I got some studying to do!! I haven't had time to respond to all individually since I am trying to compile all of the info and work a full time job (to support my JoniHabit!). Keep those questions coming. We'll take anything and everything. For the Team of Joni Specialists/Trivia Masters, I believe everyone that has volunteered to date will be on the team. I'll update y'all later. **** Send your questions and/or answers to trivia@jmdl.com **** Katie from the Cape Happy 4th ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:32:57 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: NJC Divisiveness Yesterday I wrote: > Obviously, Mr Date is aware that the two issues that have caused the > most trouble on this list are sexuality and politics. Flame wars, > people leaving, people being banished. Calmer heads than mine have pointed out that "sexuality and politics" should have read "sexuality and religion", and that the only people ever booted off the list, permanently or temporarily (to my knowledge), were for inapropriate behavior, not related to the discussion of these topics. Thanks to Roberto, I now know how to spell "divisiveness". :) Other than the above, my remarks stand. Best, ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 11:36:25 -0400 From: Alex Neubert Subject: chicago performance i'm sure it's already been posted but just in case: (it's sort of lengthy but it's about JONI!!) Joni Mitchell Headlines Old Town School of Folk Music Grand Opening Benefit Concert at School's New Home -- The Chicago Folk Center, Friday Evening, September 18 Intimate Concert Marks Mitchell's First Chicago Engagement in Over 10 Years; September 18-20 Festival Weekend Also Features Old Town Reunion Concert CHICAGO, July 2 /PRNewswire/ -- A rare and intimate performance by the legendary singer/songwriter Joni Mitchell, with special guest Peter Yarrow, will inaugurate the Old Town School of Folk Music's new home, the Chicago Folk Center, at 4544 North Lincoln Avenue, on Friday evening, September 18, 1998, at 8 p.m. The grand opening benefit concert will be performed in the Old Town School's new, state-of-the-art, 425-seat concert hall and marks Ms. Mitchell's first Chicago appearance in more than ten years. Concert tickets will be available on a first-come, first-served basis, and include a pre-concert gala dinner. For ticket information, please call the Old Town School at 773-525-7793. The concert marks the start of the School's Chicago Folk Center inaugural season, generously sponsored by Sara Lee Foundation. The concert also kicks off the Old Town School of Folk Music Grand Opening Festival, the weekend of September 18-20, celebrating the School's new 43,000-square-foot home. The public is invited to visit the Chicago Folk Center at two free open house events, Saturday, September 19, and Sunday, September 20, from 10 a.m.-5 p.m., including participatory workshops, featured performances, informative demonstrations and tours. Main stage performers over the weekend include Special Consensus (bluegrass), Sons of the Never Wrong (folk), Jackie Allen Band (jazz), Bucktown Barbecue Band (blues), Efambody (music of Senegal), Sones de Mexico, Larry Nugent & Friends (Irish), and more. Family stage performers will include Jodi Koplin, Linda Robertson, Mark Dvorak, Ralph Covert, Sandy Lucas, Reggio the Hoofer, and the Old Town School Kids in performance. Saturday evening, September 19, a special surprise guest (to be revealed shortly) will take the stage at 8 p.m., in the first public concert at the Chicago Folk Center. Sunday afternoon, September 20, will be a special Old Town School Reunion concert with Ray Nordstrand, School Founder Frank Hamilton, Fred Holstein, Corky Siegel, Ella Jenkins, Jim & Janet Post, Mark Dvorak, Bonnie Koloc, Ed Holstein and other members of the Old Town School family. The inaugural season momentum continues through December, with a series of exciting headliners and monthly free, open houses. Fans of folk, world, and acoustic music will have reason to rejoice as the Old Town School of Folk Music, America's oldest permanent school of folk music, unveils its new $7 million home -- the Chicago Folk Center -- dramatically expanding the concert, education and resource facilities which have made the School a national folk music authority in its 41-year history. The expansion, spanning 43,000 square feet over four floors, will offer students and concertgoers a new concert hall, double the number of teaching spaces now available at the School's current home at 909 West Armitage, an enlarged music and information resource center and a public cafe. The 909 West Armitage site will remain open as the Old Town School of Folk Music's Children's Center. The Old Town School is honored to present as the inaugural performer in its new home, Joni Mitchell, arguably the most talented female singer-songwriter of the Woodstock era and beyond. Born Roberta Jean Anderson in November 1943 in Alberta, Canada, Joni Mitchell turned to folk singing while at art school and performed in the folk clubs of Toronto's Yorktown area. From there, she became a regular on the East Coast folk circuit with her then folksinger-husband, Chuck Mitchell, and some of her earliest songs were recorded by Judy Collins and Tom Rush. Mitchell's numerous hits, such as ``Both Sides Now,'' ``Woodstock,'' and ``Big Yellow Taxi,'' span 30 years of one of the most influential recording careers in contemporary music. A Reprise/Warner Bros. recording artist since her first release, ``Joni Mitchell,'' in 1968, Ms. Mitchell is putting the finishing touches on her latest, ``Taming the Tiger.'' The Old Town School Grand Opening Festival weekend is sponsored by the Carlucci Hospitality Group, Draft Worldwide, the Richard Driehaus Foundation, WFMT-FM, and WXRT-FM. For more information on Grand Opening Festival activities, please call the Old Town School of Folk Music at 773-525-7793. Alex Neubert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 08:45:50 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Remember the large/small venue thread? For those who are interested in seeing Joni in a small venue ... as we all are I'm sure, check the Chicago benefit price quote -- 425 seat venue w/tickets a mere $5000/pair. Suddenly that audio at the West coast hockey arenas sounds damned good! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 21:24:27 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Pope bans contraception, euthanasia, women priests >As did I. And then was terribly dismayed to hear the audience at a Bob Dylan >tribute booing her soon after ... Bob Dylan, mind you! The irony ... > >-Fred > That's one of the reasons I despise most of those dinosaurs... well, the male ones, anyway's. They've become compliant and soft, and it shows in their muzak. At least Joni tries new things: vocal styles, instrumental combinations, etc.. And sometimes they're not totally successful. But IMHO, Joni's wobbly experimentation is way more valid than, say, Dylan doing a clean, crowd pleasing 'Hwy 61' or Neil Young playing grunge guitar hero in a flannel shirt. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 12:21:06 -0400 From: Marsha Doyle Subject: Re: so bitter and so sweet..(JC) Don Rowe wrote: > > $5000/pair!!! ... > > "Holy hope in the hands of > Snakebite evangelists and racketeers > And big wig financiers ..." > > With great wailing and lamentation ... AND LACRIMATION!!!!!! Marsha, going out to buy lottery tickets ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:33:08 -0400 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: joni mother-shame fixation I was trying to reply to Sue's letter and accidently deleated it. Please pardon me if I miss quote. The jist of your letter had to do with Joni relating to VanGogh and basicly that Joni is uncompromising in her work dispite momma. I'm reading a book on self esteem and a paragraph hit me because it related to this thread. The book is "Honoring The Self" by Nathaniel Branden. "...the people we are likely to admire are precisely those who manage to perserve in faithfulness to their own vision, without a good deal of positive reinforcement, without the understanding of others, their approval, or their applause--in fact, often in the face of hostility and opposition. When we see those who possess a fundamental certainty about themselves that remains relatively untouched by the vicissitudes of life, we sense that an unusual psychological achievement is involved; we may not identify that what we are looking at is high self esteem." I see Joni in that paragraph all the way. She has been scorned and critisized by the best of them, maybe even momma, yet she remains true to herself in her style and lyrics. I don't consider her as someone with a shame or guilt problem! Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:31:57 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: The "dinosaur" thread Careful there jan gyn, lest the extinct "dinosaur" thread be revived ... or as Jurassic Park's Dr. Malcolm once said, "It always starts this way - -- then comes the running and the screaming." :-0 D Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:49:47 EDT From: Denisongs@aol.com Subject: Joni in Chicago I liked someone's Oprah idea. Maybe she could have her on her show as a guest while she is in town. That would be easier to get tickets to. I just emailed her to ask about the possibility. It can't hurt to ask, and maybe she'll take it more seriously if more people suggest it. Just an idea. Denise : ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:28:14 -0400 From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: Michael Hedges (SJC) Hello All, I wanted to share my adoration for Michael Hedges after reading the recent brief thread about him. I saw him perform 6 times between 1993 and 1997, and I must say that the first show I went to changed my life (no exaggeration). He was (I also have a problem with "was" -- he was such a vital person, it seems that he should always be referred to as "is") an absolutely brilliant performer, the best I've ever seen (caveat: I have yet to hear Joni live, but I honestly don't expect Woodstock to change my ranking -- he was that great). Anyone on this list who has not listened to him, should, because Joni was one of his biggest influences. (His "desert island disks" include "anything by Joni Mitchell, after Clouds through Mingus" [he especially loved "The Wolf That Lives in Lindsey" -- the mark of a true Joni fan]). If you want to hear someone who took open tunings and the guitar itself beyond their known limits, listen to Michael Hedges. Unfortunately, while the CDs are wonderful, they don't fully capture the amazing bundle of energy that was Michael. He was someone who really became musically complete in a live setting, and he always gave it his ALL - -- he was a wonderful, humble man who truly appreciated his audience, which is very refreshing in this egomaniacal music industry we all support :-). He always made time to speak with people after his shows, and I was lucky enough to meet him after the first show I saw, and also to have had a great conversation with him about Bela Bartok (another of his influences) & other music topics at NYC's The Bottom Line just two weeks before he died. Anyone interested in learning more about him should check out http://www.nomadland.com, his website, where you can also order CDs and other products (if you do want his albums, I would just like to recommend that you purchase through the site - that way, more money goes to his 2 young sons; Michael was not wealthy and did not have life insurance). His management is in the process of releasing some full-length concert videos, which I imagine will be available through the website before they're available in stores. So, while there is some official live video out there - -- short appearances on Windham Hill Live, and a short PBS video called "A Portrait of the Artist" (which is available through Nomadland) -- there are not any legal full-length concert videos available. But that will change soon. I recommend checking these out when they become available; then you can get a truer glimpse of the brilliance and the depth and breadth of this truly great artist -- someone I should think Joni would be proud to know was a musical child of hers. Kay P.S. Michael Hedges is a guest artist on David Crosby's "Oh Yes I Can", CSN's "After the Storm," as well as Pat Martino's "All Sides Now" (another Joni connection -- the jazz great does a remake of "Both Sides, Now" with Cassandra Wilson (!!) on vocals [check out her remake of "Black Crow."]). A full listing of his recordings and guest appearances is on his website. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:00:01 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in Chicago In a message dated 98-07-02 12:52:26 EDT, Denisongs@aol.com writes: << I liked someone's Oprah idea. Maybe she could have her on her show as a guest while she is in town. That would be easier to get tickets to. I just emailed her to ask about the possibility. It can't hurt to ask, and maybe she'll take it more seriously if more people suggest it. Just an idea. Denise : ) >> Great idea, Denise. Timing should be perfect for the TTT release. I'll e- mail Oprah, too. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 98 17:07:22 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Re: chicago performance Chicago, hmmm. I smell an Oprah appearance on Sept. 18th (which is great cause Oprah always gets 2-3 songs out of her musical guests -- at least she did with McCartney & Madonna). So maybe we'll *ALL* be treated to a little Joni concert on TV. Anyone know if Oprah is a Joni fan? -Kenny Alex Neubert wrote: > i'm sure it's already been posted but just in case: > > Joni Mitchell Headlines Old Town School of Folk Music Grand Opening Benefit > Concert at School's New Home -- The Chicago Folk Center, Friday Evening, > September 18 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 98 17:07:20 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Re: Drag & dropping articles Hey Stephen, I agree that long articles (especially long NJC) articles can be a little trying. I think that the ideal thing to do, when articles need to be referred to, is to simply mention that there is an article on such and such, and to provide the URL location. Those interested in the subject will visit (lord knows I've followed *many* links that were posted on the JMDL). From there, a few sentences (or a paragraph) can be copied for discussion...seems alot cleaner and takes up much less bandwith. -Kenny "Daugherty, Stephen" wrote: > This is no invite for a flame, but as a working person who grabs the > digest and is overwhelmed by long articles thrown into the forum I would > like to make a suggestion. It would be beneficial for me (and perhaps > others) to limit the cutting/pasting of articles UNrelated to Joni to > perhaps one paragraph? Wouldn't that be enough to make a point? > Steve D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 11:13:16 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Hurt feelings (NJC) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 10:05:15 -0400 From: Marsha Doyle All this bashing of accordians and kazoos is really hurtful to me and a lot of listmembers. I might have to unsu.bscribe, if my fond memories of roller skating to The Hokey Pokey (accordian version --- check it out!) get further sullied here... Worried, Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 11:03:44 -0600 From: "H. Paul Davis" (by way of Les Irvin ) Subject: Re: NJC: Best this year >NP: Lucinda Willaims, 'Car Wheels On A Gravel Road' >... excellent... Anybody interested should check out this very, very good album. I highly recommend it, and give it my vote for the best album (by far) this year. Paul - Who now thinks Lucinda may be the best lyricist recording today. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 11:12:29 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Horse With No Name Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 08:38:45 -0500 From: Michael Paz Hi folks- I was wondering if any of you out there know what the song Horse With No Name by America is about. Alot of you seem to be very good at this sort of thing. I have been puzzled by this song for years. Also I thought if those of you who like to eat, there is a local radio gut that has a food newsletter which always has great reviews, recipes, etc. To su.bscribe send a email to menu@csi.com and write su.bscribe in the body of the letter. There is also a web page a www.nomenu.com Best, Michael NP-Dreamland ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 11:11:40 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Woodstock questions Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 08:56:19 -0400 From: Deb Messling I'm still waffling about attending the Woodstock show. Given my druthers, I'd rather see Joni in a more intimate setting. My argument in favor of going is that the steep ticket price will keep casual fans away. If Lou Reed, Richie Havens and Pete Townsend tour on a regular basis, wouldn't many of their fans wait for a cheaper event? Leaving the festival to rabid Joni fans who haven't seen their heroine in 15 years? But *DO* these guys tour regularly? I think Lou Reed does. But is a Townsend show a big, freaking event??? Deb Messling Internet Services Librarian Bergen County Cooperative Library System Hackensack, New Jersey http://www.bccls.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 11:10:02 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: more joni's voice Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 12:29:56 -0700 From: Catherine Turley Joni's voice has certainly changed, but I can't think that it has declined--for me it packs a bigger emotional punch these days. All the recent discussion on this topic calls to mind an experience that I had at the Friday night Warner Brothers taping in May. During the second half of the evening I sat next to a woman who hadn't been a particular Joni fan--her boyfriend was a part of the Warner's production staff, which is how she got her VIP pass. She apparently didn't know Joni's early work, and her reaction nicely illustrates that Joni's voice is still powerful on its own terms, regardless of what it used to be. This woman spent the whole time I sat next to her clutching my elbow and knee, in one little ecstasy after another over Joni's voice. I for one, will be listening for her in the background of the home video when it comes out--don't know how the microphones could have failed to pick up on forty minutes of "Oh my gawd! Oh my gawd! Do you hear her? Do you hear that voice? My gawd! I had no IDEA!" Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:18:19 EDT From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: bitter so bitter well- i just returned from morning job reviews, after my early morning post, to ring up the old town school and find the $5,000.00 ticket price was A WEE TAD BIT out of my range.... as you all have found out too. i'm ready to cry again!!! but the possible bright side is joni on oprah? joni doing something else in town? we should all hit up wxrt to sponsor a parallel event. www.wxrt.com. they are co-sponsoring this event. they do these morning live shows with visiting performers called breakfast w/ bremer (sp?)- lynn bremer is a morning dj- i'm going to email them and suggest they do the same (small venue- live audience- breakfast- on the air- really nice) for joni. so if all of ya would hit oprah and wxrt with request as joni as a guest- maybe something would come of it- and it would make your midwest cousins very very happy!!!! doug ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:20:19 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Pope bans contraception, euthanasia, women priests In a message dated 98-07-02 12:26:00 EDT, jgyn@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us writes: << And sometimes they're not totally successful. But IMHO, Joni's wobbly experimentation is way more valid than, say, Dylan doing a clean, crowd pleasing 'Hwy 61' or Neil Young playing grunge guitar hero in a flannel shirt. -jan >> Uh-oh. Don't tread on Neil. He is clearly one of the most experimental rock artists in history, right up there with Joni, IMO. And like Joni, he took alot of flack for his forays from fans and detractors alike. I remember seeing him in Austin, Texas during the 80's on his "Trans" tour. One of his "fans" near the front raised his arm with his middle finger prominently extended every time Neil did an experimental-type song. To many he is a bonafide hero, me among them. Plus, he's a super-nice guy. I sat next to him and his son at a hockey game a couple of years ago. - -Julius ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #236 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?