From: owner-joni-digest@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #233 Reply-To: Sender: owner-joni-digest@jmdl.com Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 1 1998 Volume 03 : Number 233 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NRA stuff [Heather ] Re: NJC Art meets Technology [Thomas Ross ] Sharon [Diana Duncan ] clarinet hazards (njc) [Thomas Ross ] Re: Jonis Voice/ some perspective [catman ] Re: songs about parents - add to the list [jan gyn ] Joni's next album [Steve Dulson ] NJC World Cup [Steve Dulson ] VLJC Fixin' to Die [Steve Dulson ] MOA / Clouds [MP123A321@aol.com] Re: MOA Vinyl [jan gyn ] RE: clarinet hazards (njc) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: MOA / Clouds ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Re: MOA Vinyl ["Mark Domyancich" ] Re: clarinet hazards (njc) ["Mark Domyancich" ] Re: MOA / Clouds [catman ] Joni always in stock at Tower [Jason Maloney ] Parent songs [Marsha Doyle ] A Tamer Woodstock [JRMCo1@aol.com] Birthday! and some extra [Marilune@aol.com] RE: Joni always in stock at Tower ["Wally Kairuz" (by way of Les] Re: Parent songs [RickieLee1@aol.com] EDITH, STIFLE YOURSELF? [Al.Date@Eng.Sun.COM (Al Date)] Accordion Shame, etc. [RMuRocks@aol.com] NJC - World Cup Soccer [Anne Madden ] Freedom of choice wr2 guns (NJC) [Al.Date@Eng.Sun.COM (Al Date)] RE: NJC - Dirty Laundry [trxschwa ] content (jc) (and separate thread answer) [trxschwa ] Re: Horse Plug (njc) [Thomas Ross ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:53:06 -0400 From: Heather Subject: NRA stuff Hello everyone- My thanks to Patrick for passing on the website of the trial notes from the McViegh trial. Little did I know that Primadets were the blasting caps that McViegh & Co. stole to use for detonating. This makes me feel sick. You see, I worked for the company that made those Primadets right here in little ol' Simsbury CT. Talk about degrees of separations! The right to bear arms is one thing. When and where to use them...is another. Heather Np: my turning stomach ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:04:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Ross Subject: Re: NJC Art meets Technology very cool and congrats! didn't know it measured volumes. . . that is, could work for making 3D computer models? I've done some 3d animation. Tom Ross The Cormack & Ross Band's new CD 'global jazz songs' album *HORSE of STONE*, made possible by David Crosby, has excerpts and info at http://www.barncard.com/cormack-ross.html Mizazi Recordings Box 542 Middletown, CT 06457 "Sublime. . . fascinating vocal interplay, virtuoso instrumental work and deeply creative songwriting that blends classical Asian styles with contemporary and traditional Western motifs. . . had this actually been released and recognized when it was recorded, today's music might have a wholly different sound." J. Eric Smith, METROLAND ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:11:27 -0500 From: Diana Duncan Subject: Sharon At 06:22 PM 6/28/1998 EDT, Bmcd@aol.com wrote: >way. By the way, I've been wondering if Sharon wasn't another pesona joni >imagined for herself, what life could have been like if a different path had >been taken. *Any* thoughts? I think a few months ago we decided Sharon *was* someone real. Right? However, The idea of Joni writing about following another path is very interesting. I've thought a lot about my life changing choices and what would have happened if I hadn't quit college in 1971 or if I had stayed married. With Joni's imagination I'm sure she could take this thread and write a whole album. Diana ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:09:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Ross Subject: clarinet hazards (njc) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > This story comes from Larry Long, 2nd bassoon of the Owensboro > Symphony, who swears it is true. He works as a woodwind repairman at > Music Central in Bowling Green, KY. Last week a woman called the store > asking for a repairman. The reconstructed conversation follows: > > > Woman: I need a repairman to come out to the house immediately. > > Larry: Well, Ma'am, we don't usually make house calls. Can't you > bring the Instrument to the shop? > > Woman: No, you don't understand, this is an emergency. My son has > his penis stuck in his clarinet. > > Larry: Well, Ma'am, what do you expect me to do? > > Woman: I want you to come get it off! > > Larry: Ma'am I'm really sorry but I can't do that. You'll have to call > 911 or take him to the emergency room. > > Woman: No, you don't understand, I don't want the doctor to hurt the > clarinet, because it's not paid for yet. > > > This is the end of the story as related, but Larry says several > questions come to mind: > > 1. Which end of the clarinet? > 2. E-Flat?, B-flat, A, or bass? > 3. What Is going to happen to this kid the next time that he hears > a Sousa march? > > ================== > > Top Ten List - things heard at the music store after that phone call. > > 10. Does your cork grease come in a larger tube! > 9. Yes, our emergency repair phone number l-800-db music. > 8. Will there be anything else?..Reeds, key oil, KY jelly? > 7. Do you have any LaVoz extra hard reeds? > 6. But Mom, all the guys in the low brass section said clarinetists > were pussies! > 5. Really, I was just sitting there and this clarinet attacked me! > 4. Is that a clarinet in your pocket or are you just glad to see > me? > 3. Are you the kid that got his dick stuck in his clarinet? > 2. No son, what I said was for you to practice your fucking > clarinet! > 1. Yeah, well I got mine stuck In a bassoon. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 23:22:17 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Jonis Voice/ some perspective Wally Kairuz wrote: > WallyK, who's apartment building is shaking because all the tenants are > jumping up and down after Argentina's victory over England [ see World Cup > thread] I wondered what all the screaming outside was for! Thank God! Perhaps now they'll stop bombarding us with it! colin - -- Daily Affirmations: As I let go of my shoulds and feelings of guilt, I can get in touch with my Inner Sociopath. http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 03:28:53 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: songs about parents - add to the list Anybody like the Swans? Total Gulag-core from the bowels of NYC, and they had a song from the mid 80s with the delightful title 'Mother, My Body Disgusts Me'. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:29:57 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Combining threads :) From: "Don Rowe" >>Unfortunately, it appears that Mr. Heston is previously engaged, so >>Al Pacino has been asked to render the spoken words of The Tea Leaf >> Prophecy as Tony Montana, his immortal character from "Scarface." (spoken to an accompaniment of dulcimer and soprano choir) "Who the fuck do you fuckin' think you're fuckin' fuckin' with?" - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 23:47:06 +0100 From: Linda Brady Subject: Go England, anyway > WallyK, who's apartment building is shaking because all the tenants are > jumping up and down after Argentina's victory over England [ see World Cup > thread] OW! A bunch of my flat mates are in the kitchen, crying....that was so *harsh* the way they lost.....ouch.... Linda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:43:56 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Joni's next album >FYI, I have it on good authority that Joni's next album will be an album of >accordian instrumentals dedicated to the NRA. Damn, Hanna, scooped the Swami again. I'm hanging up my turban! ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:52:29 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: NJC World Cup WallyK wrote: > who's apartment building is shaking because all the tenants are >jumping up and down after Argentina's victory over England [ see World Cup >thread] OK, OK don't rub it in! Congratulationss - it was a hard-fought game. The English players have nothing to be ashamed of. :) slightly wan, but still a :) ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:01:42 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: VLJC Fixin' to Die Fred wrote: > "How did you come to trade the fiddle for the drum" vs. "1-2-3-4, what are we >fightin' for?" Two different approaches, both very effective, one using poetry, one using humor: Come on all you big strong men Uncle Sam needs your help again Got himself in a terrible jam Way down yonder in Vietnam So put down your books and pick up a gun Gonna have a whole lot of fun! And it's 1,2,3, what are we fighting for? Don't ask me I don't give a damn! Next stop is Vietnam! And it's 5,6,7, open up the pearly gates! Ain't no use to wonderin' why Whoopee, we're all gonna die! Come on, mothers, throughout the land Pack your boys off to Vietnam! Come on fathers, don't hesitate Send 'em all off, before it's too late! Be the first one on the block To have your boy come home in a box! And it's 1,2,3, what are we fighting for? Don't ask me I don't give a damn! Next stop is Vietnam! And it's 5,6,7, open up the pearly gates! Ain't no use to wonderin' why Whoopee, we're all gonna die! (from memory) ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:08:29 EDT From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: MOA / Clouds n a message dated 98-06-30 15:11:16 EDT, Harpua@revealed.net writes: << I found the Miles of Aisles Vinyl today and I was curious as to how much it's worth (Steve D, Jerry?) I paid 3 bucks for it and it's in really nice condition. >> I'd say it's worth playing over and over and over, and then give it to someone that never heard it. Joni albums are still very available in my neck of the woods. Unless you are trying to find white label promos. Stock lp's are easy to locate and inexpensive. There is an original press of Clouds that has "runny" artwork on the back of cover, a printing error,that is supposively rare and collectible. I have seen at least 3 in the last year and passed on the last 2.The one I bought was a white label!! OK..who else is collecting WLP's out there? Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 04:10:40 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: MOA Vinyl > I found the Miles of Aisles Vinyl today and I was curious as to how > much it's worth (Steve D, Jerry?) I paid 3 bucks for it and it's in > really nice condition. > >> >According to the guy at the used record store I went to recently, it's worth >about 2 bucks. > When I started college in SF, I found a streetperson selling a used copy of that first album by the guy that had a 60s hit called 'Fire', Arthur Brown I think is his name. I paid 25 cents for it, took out my pen and cursively wrote 'arthur brown' on the cover. I then traipsed up to a used record store in the Haight. The buying guy offered me 25 cents for it, and when I pointed out it had been 'autographed', he rubbed his chin and said 'Wow...ok.... 75 cents!' - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:14:00 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: clarinet hazards (njc) >> This story comes from Larry Long, 2nd bassoon of the Owensboro >> Symphony, who swears it is true. He works as a woodwind repairman First Mark's story about teenagers sticking bicycle pumps up their butts, now you and your story about kids' dicks being devoured by clarinets. Please have mercy! Then I can't stop laughing for WEEKS!!! WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:23:47 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: MOA / Clouds At 07:08 PM 6/30/98 EDT, Maurice wrote: > Joni albums are still very available in my neck of the woods. A pleasant surprise: I was amazed at the quantity and variety of Joni Mitchell cds that "Border's Bookstore" carries. -Julie, who says that "Border's" gets an A+ for being well stocked in JM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:30:52 -0500 From: "Mark Domyancich" Subject: Re: MOA Vinyl jan gyn wrote: Subject: Re: clarinet hazards (njc) I think there's more room for heart, humor and humility than the NRA or Joni's personal life on this list. _________________________________________ Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net "Shadows have the saddest things to say." -Joni Mitchell _________________________________________ <>> This story comes from Larry Long, 2nd bassoon of the Owensboro <>> Symphony, who swears it is true. He works as a woodwind repairman < Subject: Re: MOA / Clouds I don't know if it is normal practice but everytime I go to Tower on Piccadilly Circus they have copies of every Join album, and plenty of them. that has been so for the last 4yrs of me visiting there. Joni seems popular in UK. I know Hejira did much better chartwise here than in the USA. Julie Z. Webb wrote: > At 07:08 PM 6/30/98 EDT, Maurice wrote: > > Joni albums are still very available in my neck of the woods. > A pleasant surprise: I was amazed at the quantity and variety of Joni > Mitchell cds that "Border's Bookstore" carries. > -Julie, who says that "Border's" gets an A+ for being well stocked in JM - -- Daily Affirmations: As I let go of my shoulds and feelings of guilt, I can get in touch with my Inner Sociopath. http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 01:13:46 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Joni always in stock at Tower Colin, Well, from my experience too - Tower (and Virgin, as I recall) in London always seemed to have every Joni CD available. That's how I got so into her - after CMIAR got me hooked, I was able to investigate any of her other albums I chose to get. Go to your average High Street retailer, though, and it's a completely diffferent story....... Jason ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:19:47 -0400 From: Marsha Doyle Subject: Parent songs jan gyn wrote: > > At 12:05 AM 6/27/98 EDT, you wrote: > >In a message dated 98-06-26 22:10:57 EDT, Al.Date@Eng.Sun.COM writes: > > > ><< Has anyone even THOUGHT about the parents > > of Neil Young, Bob Dylan, Van Morrison, Jackson Browne, John Lennon, ,.... > > About the only thing I can vaguely recall is Paul's grandfather in > > a Hard Day's Night! :) >> > > > > I wonder what Jim Morrison's mom thought of that song, 'The End'. No one has mentioned John Lennon's "Mother", a very bitter song. Marsha NP: Gino Vannelli's new release "Slow Love"... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:25:46 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: A Tamer Woodstock This blurb appeared in the NY Times on 6/24. Pretty much information we are all aware of, but the apparent emphasis to be placed on family comfort for the shows is of note. Also, I was amused by the writer referring to the first Woodstock as a "free-for-all." Before Joni began "Big Yellow Taxi" for the second time at the San Jose concert (she stopped the song abruptly the first time due to some glitch) she told the audience to all join in and make this one a "free-for-all." That got a big laugh. And it was. - -Julius <> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:35:15 EDT From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: Birthday! and some extra It's birthday time for a Joni fan...my mom, the infamous Marlene (usually known as "mum", sometimes as "mariana's mom", and once in a grievious error "patricia"..ha ha, ken). It's number 48 for her, but don't say I told. Oh well. The 'rents are going out to dinner which leaves me and the sis in the house for a while. I'm going to do everything I can to *NOT* call Griffin because I called him last night. sigh, yes it's true. and his brother answered and we engaged in slight conversation (di di di di di di, ect...) as follows: nathan: hello mariana: hi! (i thought it was g. who had answered. this is the second time i have done this. it's becoming a joke.) nathan: who is this? m: mariana n: oh, he's not home right now (YEEEEEEE! obviously i have now been connected with griffin. whether this is good or bad remains to be seen) m: geez, you sound the same. (at least in this conversation they did. usually nathan has a "breathier"voice) n: oh really? m: yeah, well anyway. n: i'll give him the message (what message?) m: okay, bye. n: bye. he's a dorkface, but my spirits were lifted a little and felt a little brighter. this concludes another episode as as mariana's teenage hormone raged world turns. in our next episode(ba da dummmmm!): will griffin call mariana back?or will mariana break down and call him again? what will happen? please join us next time on as mariana's teenage hormone raged world turns (and hits her on the head.) mariana NP: The beatles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:43:38 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni always in stock at Tower - -----Original Message----- From: Jason Maloney To: joni@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 6:15 PM Subject: Joni always in stock at Tower >Colin, > >Well, from my experience too - Tower (and Virgin, as I recall) in London >always seemed to have every Joni CD available. >Jason London's Tower is a thousand times better stocked than any other Tower, especially when it comes to classical music. Even the guy at the Tower near Lincoln Center once told me, " Nah...you'll never get that one here. Try London!" WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:14:02 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni mother-shame fixation In a message dated 6/29/98 10:48:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bdolling@CapAccess.org writes: << And if I was in total ignorance of the fact that Joni even had a child, it would not change what "Little Green" has offered to my life. >> I have to agree with you wholeheartedly on this, Bill. Before joining this list, I didn't even know Joni ever had a child. I never really read anything about her life, I only knew that I loved her music. Little Green has always been a song that touched me, as most of Joni's songs have, from just relating to them from my heart. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:30:23 -0600 From: Michael Paz (by way of Les Irvin ) Subject: Hello Everyone! Hello All- We made it back safe from our vacation in the Caribbean. Everyone's stress level is much lower, even tho we had a pretty hectic day today getting ready for the Essence Festival here and 4th of July activities this coming weekend. I missed the list and am terribly behind, but hopefully will be caught up soon. To Leslie Mixon- thanx so much for keeping us up to date with Wally. Please continue to convey my love, prayers, and positive thoughts for him. I am looking forward to seeing him back online soon. Get busy Wally! the world is waiting for you and there is so much to do. To dear Julius-Hey I Think I Love You and thank you so much for the gift I received just before leaving on vacation and made my vacation sooooooooo much better. It was very thoughtful of you and I want you to know I really appreciate it. When you are ready to visit New Orleans or Honduras, your house is waiting for you. I sent another email on this but I believe it got lost in space cause I did not see it in any of the digests. I owe ya big time! I'll find a way to get you back. To Wally K- Congratulations to the great Argentina on a magnificent win today. Gave those limeys a run, eh. It was a real good game. Too bad Mexico couldn't pull off the win against Germany over the weekend. Another good game. Does anyone have any specific info on the schedule of Woodstock/Back to the Garden 98? You know, who's on first? Who all is going? Caravan? michael np-Just Like This Train-Live98 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:30:21 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Parent songs how about mike and the mechanics "the living years" - a sad one! (i sure hope al date did not start this thread...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:47:48 -0700 From: Al.Date@Eng.Sun.COM (Al Date) Subject: EDITH, STIFLE YOURSELF? David Marine: >Perhaps a resonable rule of thumb would be this: post what you will, >but temper your rhetoric with the knowledge that Joni (the actual, real, >feeling person) may read your post. BZZZT! Bad idea. Even worse than my speculations on fallen woman syndrome coupled with my aggressive debating style. If Joni actually does read this stuff, she is free to blow it off as lunatic ravings. If there is anything insightful, she may value it. But only SHE can make that call. Who knows, IN ADVANCE, the Joni wheat from the Joni chaff? Further, even if YOU could KNOW what her initial emotional reaction would be to a certain posting, you still don't know whether it was actually good or bad for her to read it, in the long run. Maybe she is surrounded by brown-nosers who are afraid to give her hard advice or honest criticism--I don't know. I would hope not. But stranger things have happened. I kind of get the feeling that Van Morrison lives in that kind of a world. I have taken a lot of well-deserved heat, and actually learned quite a bit from the great folks here. I think I even gained some sorely-needed self-knowledge in the aftermath of shooting my mouth off. Would the list have been better off if I had, instead, sat here wondering how Joni Mitchell MIGHT FEEL if I posted my rantings? Aint gonna happen! Even if I am totally wrong about Joni ever imagining her mother looking over her shoulder, I am certainly not going to fall into the same trap, and erect an imaginary censor (whose feelings I could never really anticipate) to filter my thoughts! Besides, my dad is already sitting there. :) - --Al Date ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 23:01:12 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Accordion Shame, etc. I hope you guys aren't counting the 'concertina' as an accordion, because I've seen Terence Simien tear the roof off the sucka with his hair swingin' and sweat flyin' in an orgy of zydeco! If you've seen him and his band, you know what I mean. if you haven't, keep your eyes and ears open and get your dancing shoes on! Changing the subject, I saw "The Truman Show" sunday and thought it was really excellent, disturbing in many ways as Truman is a manufactured celebrity who becomes the reason for being for a lot of people. It made me think of an earlier post about being afraid to live to your potential, preferring to live vicariously through someone famous. Hit a little close to home. I think it also shows how easliy people can be manipulated. Also speaks to the fact that people will choose a dangerous freedom over a predictable, even safe imprisonment. Ed Harris' line about how most of accept our realities without question (Sorry for the repeat Ashara :-D) NP: S&L, this HDCD version is unreal! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 23:40:45 -0700 From: Anne Madden Subject: NJC - World Cup Soccer Brilliant game today between England and Argentina. I grew up a soccer fanatic. I coach two kids' teams and have done so for the last few years. What a shame in a game that England should have won it had to be decided by a shootout. Boo Hoo! Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:38:43 -0700 From: Al.Date@Eng.Sun.COM (Al Date) Subject: Freedom of choice wr2 guns (NJC) First, I apologize to those who think that this thread does not belong here. I agree with you. I have to say that the right to keep and bear arms is as dependent on Charlton Heston and the NRA to the same extent that the right to get an abortion is dependent on Planned Parenthood activists. Which is to say: Not at all. If the issue is the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, that is one discussion, rooted in the Bill of Rights, and in the intentions of the Founders of this nation. If the issue is Charlton Heston and the NRA, that is the frontpage of the Enquirer. If Charlton is a "right-wing homophobe," that is "not good," but it has nothing to do with the RKBA. I do not own a gun, nor am I an NRA member. But if I ever decide to own a gun, I expect to be able to, as a *free man.* My position is simple: I am pro-choice on every conceivable matter, including sexual relations, drug/cigarette/alcohol intake, abortion, and gun-ownership. Freedom of choice is simply too important a moral and legal principle to put it on a slippery slope, for ANY reason. Of course, I do NOT favor the irresponsible abuse of any of these choices. If you abuse your rights, and harm other members of society, or threaten other members of society, then you lose your rights, period. - --Al Date ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:34:42 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: RE: NJC - Dirty Laundry um, i have no dirty laundry here. i'm not at all ashamed of my views on the nra or gun control. you wrote Patrick, you *don't* know my situation, so please don't presume that you have all the answers regarding me and my membership in this organization. I resent your insinuation that I am guilty by association of some evil doings. For the record, it's been at least 15 years since I've paid any dues, but previous payments have given me the "life member" status. you are still listed as a member but you feel that, since you haven't been paying dues you don't have to pay attention to the org? and i was supposed to guess that and cut you slack? and you can freely announce yourself as a lifetime member, but you really don't want to be questioned about their positions? i'm sorry, but that's a big cop-out. ex-president george bush, who had probably been a non-dues paying life member of the nra for 40 years and had certainly gotten hundreds of thousands of dollars in political contributions from them, very publicly revoked his membership in 93, deeply offended by a nra mailing that referred to federal law-enforcement officials as 'jack-booted thugs'. that's responsible. claiming that you don't need to know or care about current nra lobbying because you're an honorary life-time member who doesn't pay dues is not. your name and prospective vote are still being used to browbeat legislators into submission. scott, i truly don't mean to be so attacking, i've loved many of your posts. but if you'd followed as i have the nra's effect on legislation, especially in the last 10 years arguing against such inoffensive laws as a ban on imported assault weapons and a 7-day waiting period for handgun purchases, you might have some concern about how your implied support is being used. at least i hope so. and i still haven't heard how you feel about taggants legislation. patrick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:35:27 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: content (jc) (and separate thread answer) scott wrote >gun-control debate, especially on the JMDL. It's totally inappropriate in this forum. sez you. listen, discussion always drifts on this list. on martin luther king's birthday, simon posted the text of the 'i have a dream' speech and a beautiful thread ensued. would you call that inappropriate? how 'bout the health-care one, or the wonderful parenting thread? how 'bout joni's paralyzing shame, which i found distasteful but not inappropriate. furthermore, this thread has spun off some killer wit. quite honestly, scott, i don't trust you to decide what's appropriate and not on this list. hell, i don't trust any of you out there. and you're fools if you think i could be trusted with the responsibility of naming an appropriate list of discussion topics. ;-| how 'bout this, scott? i won't presume to tell you what to talk about and you do the same. it's the same deal i have with all my jmdl friends, and it works. patrick les, i wouldn't participate in an off list discussion of this. setting up issue oriented discussion lists within the jmdl requires that someone decide which issues merit this extra work. do you want that responsibility? trust this community. if it doesn't have the strength to deal with the hard issues dead-on, then what? is there any possibility of avoiding hard issues in any community, in 1998? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 02:48:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Ross Subject: Re: Horse Plug (njc) On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, Bill Dollinger wrote: > Isn't this a few years old? 23 years, to be precise. . . but therein lies a tale. I have a copy of it on tape, if it's the same, yes it's the one David Crosby went crazy over enough to lend his guitars, get Phil Lesh to lend his bass, get Paul Kantner to loan his guitar, provide a state-of-the-art studio and his engineer, Steve Barncard (who'd done CSN albums and the Dead's American Beauty), persuade Graham Nash to loan his own studio for, and then take the result to the president of Atlantic Records. Yes it's the same one that Michael Hedges loved so much he wouldn't return the copy given him by Joni guitarman Joel Bernstein. Yes it's the same one about which Metroland reviewer J. Eric Smith said: "Sublime. . . fascinating vocal interplay, virtuoso instrumental work and deeply creative songwriting that blends classical Asian styles with contemporary and traditional Western motifs. . . had this actually been released and recognized when it was recorded, today's music might have a wholly different sound." >The musical technique is adequate, . . .then what technique in your view is more than adequate? >but it is not really the type of music that leaves me with any emotion. as in 'If You Could See Me Now' or 'Where Did You Sleep?'? >but the lyrics leave me cold. indeed, which ones? lines such as 'the tear thief dreams he cries' or 'if one dog barks at nothing o my life they all shout up the moon in me' or 'heaven is in your ears, and you hear when you want to'? No? which then? 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