From: owner-joni-digest@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #216 Reply-To: Sender: owner-joni-digest@jmdl.com Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, June 24 1998 Volume 03 : Number 216 IMPORTANT - The JMDL has moved! Post all messages to from this point on. Update your address books! ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Tribute album... ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re; Alanis ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: JONI MOTHER'S DAY [Al.Date@Eng.Sun.COM (Al Date)] Re: NJC Dirty mouth feminism ["Kakki" ] Re: woodstock [Bounced Message ] "Woodstock 98" Line-up [Bounced Message ] In the Closet ["Eric Jaimes" ] Fw: JONI MOTHER'S DAY ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: In the Closet njc ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Les' Great report on Wally - what a phone conversation!!!! ["Daugherty, S] Re: Dirty mouth feminism ["Kakki" ] Little Green [Al.Date@Eng.Sun.COM (Al Date)] Another update [Leslie Mixon ] Re: woodstock [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Fwd: Dulson finds NRH [Bmcd@aol.com] Fwd: happy/sad [Bmcd@aol.com] Reserve is respect ["Daugherty, Stephen" ] Magdalena [Bmcd@aol.com] Hejira and the Bass [Bmcd@aol.com] Oh, What a Night! [Ashara@aol.com] I'm a joni FANatic [Bmcd@aol.com] Re: happy/sad [Ashara@aol.com] Wally, (naturally) [Bmcd@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 23:09:37 -0400 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Tribute album... - ---------- > From: David Packer > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Tribute album... > Date: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 9:37 AM > > Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. > --- start of message ---- > > Hey guys, > > A quick question... > > I've heard that a Joni Mitchell tribute album is going to be released, > with Janet Jackson singing a track on it (Beat Of Black Wings, > actually). Anyway, does anyone know when this album is being released??? > > Cheers, > David. I had read in USA today that this tribute was going to be on TV in '98. Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:03:19 -0400 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re; Alanis I took my daughter to see Alanis for her 12th birthday and I must say I enjoyed the concert. I think Alanis has the potential of writing good music with deep lyrics. I do like "Jagged Little Pill". She's a diamond in the rough. Remember she too idolizes Joni. She cried when Joni criticized her. "I went to the den, found your CD's and I played your Joni" Is there another Joni in the music business she was referring to? Joni came out of the era of rock and roll. She chartered a whole new path in music. In doing so she lost a lot of her early "folky" fans. Alanis is a product of this era, punk & alternative (nothing alternative about it). I'm interested in hearing what Alanis' next CD is going to sound like. I think that as she grows older her music will mature. Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:04:30 -0700 From: Al.Date@Eng.Sun.COM (Al Date) Subject: Re: JONI MOTHER'S DAY > > are we to take this post seriously? sounds like YOU have some issues with > YOUR mum there al. save your dimestore analysis of joni and apply it to > yourself! gawd!! My mom and I get along swimmingly, but she was never much of a moralist-- and I was never much of a woman. My issues were with my father, but he is dead. So you can have your dime back, Rickie Lee. I wonder if you take issue with any of the points that I made, or any facts that I stated, or if you are just in shock that someone would piece them together and slap them up on the wall like some nasty graffiti man. It's all in the tapes. in the interviews. In the lyrics, and the lost lyrics. It's there for anyone to see. Magdalene Laundries is Joni's metaphorical autobiography. Just like that lame bulb, she has had a hard time blooming in any Spring. - --Al Date ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:14:31 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC Dirty mouth feminism Michael wrote: > Al wrote: > > <<>> > > Then Kakki wrote: > > <<>> > > Why?! I always feel uncomfortable when anyone presumes they need to "re-educate" me whether it be the younger generation or my parents' generation, don't you? Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:30:54 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: woodstock From: "Randy M DuBose" Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:57:58 -0500 I just heard this over the radio about the so called "Woodstock" event...It's actually called "A day in the garden" and is suppose to have no connection to the big 60's concert even though it's being held close enough to Woodstock's 29th anniversary and in the same place! Oh well, go figure...I agree with the fact that such a concert will never be as casual and free a thing as the original Woodstock, Too Much Business involved with it now, which is a shame :( Randy "Hold on...the night is coming...and the starling flew for days" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:31:57 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: "Woodstock 98" Line-up From: JRMCo1@aol.com Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:12:55 EDT Reed, Townshend To Play New Woodstock Senior Writer Gil Kaufman (SonicNet) reports: The Bethel Development Corporation and GF Entertainment have announced a two-day concert (Aug. 14-15) on the Woodstock festival site in Sullivan County, N.Y. According to executive producer Danny Socolof, Lou Reed, Don Henley, Ziggy Marley & the Melodymakers and original Woodstock veterans Pete Townshend, Richie Havens and Ten Years After were added to the concert's previously announced performers, Stevie Nicks and Joni Mitchell (who wrote the song "Woodstock" in 1969). Entitled "A Day in the Garden" (not "Woodstock '98," as previously announced), even though it spans two days, the festival also will feature displays of '60s memorabilia and seminars on the era. There also will be a crafts fair and specialty food kiosks. The event is being billed as the first large-scale organized concert with headline talent at the site in 29 years. Tickets go on sale Saturday at 10 a.m. EDT through Ticketmaster outlets, by phone through Ticketmaster and online at www.ticketmaster.com. The cost to attend is $69.98 per person per day. Netizens will be able to access the proceedings live on the Web through infoseek.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:35:19 -0400 From: "Eric Jaimes" Subject: In the Closet Just a final note about this Alanis issue from me: it is interesting to me that about eight or nine people wrote to me thanking me for defending Alanis, but not one cc'd their comments to the list. It's not easy or hip to admit to liking an artist with such glittery success. Same problem with Pearl Jam. Anyhow, sorry for being so long winded. I'm no huge Alanis fan, mind you, I just respect her work. Cheers, Eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:43:18 -0400 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Fw: JONI MOTHER'S DAY - ---------- > > are we to take this post seriously? sounds like YOU have some issues with > > YOUR mum there al. save your dimestore analysis of joni and apply it to > > yourself! gawd!! > I wonder if you take issue with any of the points that I made, or any > facts that I stated, or if you are just in shock that someone would > piece them together and slap them up on the wall like some > nasty graffiti man. > > It's all in the tapes. in the interviews. In the lyrics, and > the lost lyrics. It's there for anyone to see. > Magdalene Laundries is Joni's metaphorical autobiography. > Just like that lame bulb, she has had a hard time blooming > in any Spring. > --Al Date In an interview I had recorded in the late 70's Joni talked about her relationship with her mother. Yes they had some rough times. "Let the Wind Carry Me" is a reflection of that. They were very critical of each other. Joni's mom hated that song too! Through the years they mended their relationship as I had read in an artical when "Chalkmark" was released. Joni's mom loves "Tea Leaf Prophecy". As far as "Magdalene Laundries" being autobiographical, I think you are "Twisted"! Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 05:51:49 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: In the Closet njc At 12:35 AM 6/24/98 -0400, you wrote: >Just a final note about this Alanis issue from me: it is interesting to me >that about eight or nine people wrote to me thanking me for defending >Alanis, but not one cc'd their comments to the list. Ok, I perked up my ears when I first heard Alanis. When I listened to her music, I thought it sounded like no one else. I was moved by the hurt and rage she was able to convey in her songs. I found her songs to be bittersweet in that they reminded me of feelings I had when I was young. Plus her music is catchy and memorable. Hey, what's that new hit of hers about? It reminds me of Led Zepplin's "Cashmere?" The lyrics have the phrases: "like any hot blooded women" and "you're univited" in them? Anyone? I love it, but don't know what it's about, but I think she's angry again, Julie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 23:49:04 -0500 From: "Daugherty, Stephen" Subject: Les' Great report on Wally - what a phone conversation!!!! Les- thank you so much for a heartwarming report. I love seeing pieces of news that make me happy, help a human being, and bring joy to my heart. Now for my piece of belief. Wally, you are probably going to be a piece of a song to come. Your "touchpoint" with Joni is just the type of thing that brings her creative juices into a new song! Wally, I am not saying this to try to pump you up, but really - the strength of character, "chin-up" attitude...all of those things probably sound a little cheap, I guess. Way to hang in there, show your vigor, faith, and wherewithall. I guess that is all I can say. A long call with Joni?!! - medicine that transcends the best doctor in the world. From me, my thanks, prayers, and best wishes. Steve D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:45:31 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Dirty mouth feminism Al wrote: > And, if we are to believe Ms Phair, she seems to be saying that women have > very similar sex drives and fantasies as men--but that in the past women were > expected to just bottle it up. It is very life-affirming for hetero-men to > find out that they are not hopelessly alone in their lust. Is this really a new concept?! Al, I know you are in around the same "generation" as me and no one ever told me about such an expectation. The only period of time that I know of the "bottled up" female (in Anglo-American culture) was during the Victorian and Edwardian age and even then it was a passing sociological phase. > > Maybe Liz is actually parodying the > > male fantasy of the hot, wanton woman, a little. Using explicit language never > > liberated anyone. > > Kakki, did you think about that before you wrote it? If you believe that using explicit language liberates people, that is your viewpoint. I think it takes more than that - like "change in the heart of all mankind." > Well, Joni is no radical, so maybe I am barking up the wrong tree. She doesn't have to be. She lives who she is. Her life speaks for itself. > Too soon old, too late smart. What I like about the younger generation > is that they seem to be less inhibited. They tell it like it is, even if they > don't have much substantive to say. The older generation has learned to keep > its mouth shut too much--and just to be polite. Al, middle age *can* be fun, enlightened, uninhibited, bodacious, radical etc., really! Look at Joni - but first give her a little more credit. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:53:26 -0700 From: Al.Date@Eng.Sun.COM (Al Date) Subject: Little Green > According to what we've read on the JMHP, the father was an art student pre- > Chuck, but then she married Chuck as part of a futile effort to raise the > child. So she did give up the child for adoption while she was married to > Chuck. I read the same stuff and heard the interviews, and came away with a different impression...but I could sure be wrong. :) For example, in the song Little Green, Joni writes: He went to California, Hearing that everything's warmer there, So you write him a letter and say "Her eyes are blue," He sends you a poem and she's lost to you, Little Green, he's a non-conformer. It seems to me that the "He" must be referring to the father, and that the baby is "lost" before she has fully disengaged with the father. Another clue is that I don't recall Chuck Mitchell ever talking about marrying "Joni and her baby," just "Joni." But you guys are probably right. - --Al Date These bloodless brides of Jesus, If they had just once glimpsed their groom Then they'd know and they'd drop the stones Concealed behind their rosaries. Now who could that be referring to? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:58:19 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Another update Greetings: Out of the hospital and into the comfort of Jim's house... > >Sometimes I think the paperwork can be worse than the disease itself. > >Wally isn't having too bad of a day today. Comparitively minor discomfort, >compromised mobility, low (but increasing) appetite. At the moment, though, >the big concern is paperwork; the home care nurse got here about 15 minutes >ago. Even though she doesn't work for the insurance company and I'm sure would >prefer to just help him out right away, insurance questions, one after the >other, about what the HMO will and won't cover are the unfortunate first order >of business. Again, the silver lining Wally's been blessed with all along >continues -- she's very patient, friendly, and human. The distasteful >necessaries are being handled in an atmosphere that facillitates recovery; I >hear conversation punctuated by laughter, which says a lot for both of them as >far as I'm concerned. It seems like the HMO might actually be more of a help >than a hindrance at this point. > >This nurse is in for some entertainment. Wally's never been a fan of big >parties, but he enjoys one-on-one situations and has always had a tendency to >joke around with doctors, nurses, waitresses, store clerks, whoever; I'm not >sure she was prepared to answer questions about whether or not this was the >right time to take up ballroom dancing. > >When the last tube was disconnected Sunday evening, we were pretty sure that >Monday would be escape from the hospital day, so Wally's friend Brian and I >packed up the boom box and decorations in his room and schlepped it all back >home. As soon as he was ready to go around noon on Monday, no extra packing >time was necessary -- we were outta there! > >The first few hours away from the hospital were a little disorienting. Leaving >a tightly controlled hospital situation and moving back out into the world is >best experienced gradually, so driving home through the lunchtime street >hustle was more than enough initial stimulation. He felt a lot better after >sinking into a comfy chair in quiet, familiar surroundings. > >The days leading up to Wally's discharge from the hospital were a bewildering >muddle, as steady physical progress was coupled with a parade of well- >intentioned doctors, nurses and technicians coming by to assess his condition >and advise him of what's going to happen in the near future. Although he >physically felt better as the days wore on, the gravity of his situation >loomed ever larger as the haze of anesthesia and morphine wore off; there was >no time to reflect or even just relax because every time he turned around >there was something new to contend with. > >One of the most striking effects of this process has been the contrast of ups >and downs. Yes, Wally is getting better. He's also still sick and it's nowhere >near being over. During the past month, he's experienced some of the highest >highs (the tour) and some of lowest lows (the surgery) of his life -- almost >simultaneously. The agony of his illness sits alongside the joy of loving >support from friends and family contained in flowers and cards, and in a >massive stack of e-mail from around the globe. That's a lot for anybody to >process, and the potential for emotional overload is huge. > >On Saturday night, a nurse removed the tube that siphoned the acid from his >stomach. It took all of one second. It was painless. He immediately burst into >tears. Life is so precious to him, he's got so much left to give. At the same >time, the climb is so steep ... and this guy means so much to so many people >... for me, well, he's just my best pal. Sometimes I don't think I can bear to >watch him go through this, but I just scrape myself back together and pick up >the slack when I can -- I know he'd do the same for me if our situations were >reversed. I find it difficult to imagine what the tempestuous emotions he's >experiencing must be like. > >Wally put on a Stevie Nicks CD a while ago (he brings so much music over here >I don't need to buy CDs anymore) and is now napping on the couch under an >Indian print blanket I put over him, as Stevie sings "Free Fallin'" in the >background. Free Fallin', indeed. > >I'm glad Wally's home (or virtually home, anyway -- he spends lots of time >here when he's healthy too). Last night, invaluable Andrew (who's been >propping me up through this ordeal) made some of his famous homemade comfort >soup for him while I was out at a class losing my concentration; I came home >to find Wally comfortable and cheerful. He looked great -- as a matter of >fact, the surgery enabled him to get rid of a couple stubborn pounds he wanted >to lose! He stayed up late, until almost 3 AM, just enjoying the everyday >environment. > >So this how the next chapter begins. I might be posting another update as we >watch the story unfold, but for some reason I kind of doubt it. Wally has >already sat down at the computer a few times and I'll bet he'll be banging >away at the keyboard before long; I'll happily drift into the background of >the JMHP again, editing photographs and supplying Wally with the occasional >adverb. We'll see what happens ... ah, he just woke up. He's telling me the >Indian print blanket makes him feel like he's the inside cover of Chalk Mark >in a Rainstorm. What a goofball. > >Love, Jim >Leslie > Leslie Mixon stevem@cruzio.com http://www.cruzio.com/~stevem ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:05:58 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: woodstock In a message dated 98-06-24 00:43:19 EDT, les@jmdl.com writes: << I just heard this over the radio about the so called "Woodstock" event...It's actually called "A day in the garden" and is suppose to have no connection to the big 60's concert even though it's being held close enough to Woodstock's 29th anniversary and in the same place! Oh well, go figure.. >> My guess is that's a matter of avoiding copyright infringement. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:20:11 EDT From: Bmcd@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Dulson finds NRH This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_898665611_boundary Content-ID: <0_898665611@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_898665611_boundary Content-ID: <0_898665611@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Bmcd@aol.com Return-path: To: mckrutsky@gis.net Cc: joni@listbox.com Subject: Re: Dulson finds NRH Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:07:01 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-06-22 08:12:14 EDT, you write: << Karen Mc, I am glad that someone has spoken up/out about that wonderful song, Lakota. I have always loved it too. Actually, it seems to me that CHIARS does not get the respect it deserves. While I don't think it has the strength of Hejira or Hissing, I also think that it is a superb album in its own right. It's just that with Joni, the bar is so high, that if it's not a 10, but instead "only" a 7 or 7.5 (is this blasphemy??) we tend to dismiss it. How many artists actually hit a 7? Best, Maggie >> Consistently? With every album? *Not Many*, that's for sure! Anyway, I'd move all those that weren't 10's for me, to 8 and 8.5's. Yours in jonispirit, Karen Mc - --part0_898665611_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:20:43 EDT From: Bmcd@aol.com Subject: Fwd: happy/sad This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_898665643_boundary Content-ID: <0_898665643@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_898665643_boundary Content-ID: <0_898665643@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Bmcd@aol.com Return-path: To: joni@listbox.com Subject: happy/sad Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:45:11 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'm only on digest 205, *always* "running behind the times"...., so in the spur of this moment- happiest song - Carey saddest in a very melancholy way - Blue Motel Room saddest in it makes my heart hurt - Ethiopia, Little Green - --part0_898665643_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:27:35 -0500 From: "Daugherty, Stephen" Subject: Reserve is respect From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Dirty mouth feminism Al wrote: > Kak got your tongue? :) No, it's just that reams could be written, you know? It just struck me throughout the thread that so many of the males here... Kakki, your posts again show your ability to dish out reserve, respect, and clear comments on what many would find a disturbing message. Yours' was a good response. Yes, many volumes could have been written to address those comments. It was uplifting to see your well-handled addressing of "issues" raised. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:27:49 EDT From: Bmcd@aol.com Subject: Magdalena Hi Howard! I don't like to nit-pick (well,my husband would argue that!) but I do like to show off! "Magdalena's *trembling* like *a* washing on a line, trembling and gleaming, never before was a man so kind, never so redeeming.." The word trembling brings so much more sensuality to that line, don't you think? That is one of my top 100 favorite joni songs. Yours in jonispirit, Karen Mc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:35:48 EDT From: Bmcd@aol.com Subject: Hejira and the Bass Well I'm still on digest 205 and probably *really* behind on this topic,but if you haven't listened to joni's discussion about bass players and her search for a bass player who could bring the bass "up front" get thee to a Tape tree. In the KCRW interview with Chris Douridas in April '98, she discusses Jaco's bass playing, her desire to find a bass player who could do with that instrument what other bass players said couldn't be done, and finding Jaco at his young age. At the time he was playing in hotel lounges with Phyllis Diller according to joni!! Imagine! Joni also talks about playing bass for the first time on the forthcoming TTT. My understanding, correct me if I"m wrong one of you musicians, but she does this with her VG-8, right? Anyway, the interview is a must listen, and thanks to the lovely Ashara, I have it. You can to! Yours in jonispirit, Karen Mc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:39:40 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Oh, What a Night! Boy, I'll tell you, the Boston area JMDLers sure do know how to have a good time! The Brian Blade Fellowship played tonight at a great little jazz bar in Boston, so Maggie, Alex (Maggie's gracious husband), Chuck E., Barbara (Chuck's lovely wife), Heather, and myself all went to the Regatta Bar together. We had a great time. They were fantastic! Afterwards, we were all standing around outside the bar, and after awhile, we realized Heather was missing! After looking all over the Charles Hotel (the bar is in the hotel), including the ladie's room, and the lobby, we had all but given her up for lost, when out she comes from down the hall with a sly and satisfied look on her face! Seems that our own Heather (aka Divine Diva of Decorations) shmoosed her way into the Fellowship room where they were waiting to go on for the next show, and was chatting it up with Brian. She managed to get a special surprise for Wally (Wally, we love you and send our good thoughts to you from 3,000 miles away!), and then we got a picture of us with the drummer-of-drummers himself. Then on to the bar to talk about Joni dreams, pets, kids, careers, travels, and many other things. All in all, a great night. Wish we could have shared it with all of you!! Hugs, Ashara {who is still trying to catch up on Joni list mail from being away for a week.) (I think I am caught up to Friday!) ::g:: www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 02:00:51 EDT From: Bmcd@aol.com Subject: I'm a joni FANatic Charlie- Thanks for your welcome to smoe. I'm just following our leaders, Les and Wally, and the friends who help them. smoe seems like a positive thing and we are a positive group of people, so I'm glad to be here. Yours in jonispirit, Karen Mc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 02:08:28 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Re: happy/sad Happiest song from the free spirit in me: Free Man in Paris Happiest song from the hopeless romantic in me: Solid Love Happiest song from the wild dancer in me: Carey Saddest song from the global me: Ethiopia Saddest song from the hopeless romantic in me: River Saddest song from the apalled-at-the-injustices-of-the-world me: Magdalene Laundries Hugs, Sybil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 02:36:16 EDT From: Bmcd@aol.com Subject: Wally, (naturally) Jim- It's important to thank you for keeping us all up to date. Please tell Wally that the photo of him in the Mills article is very flattering and now that he's come out and let us see what he looks like, he should know, he's a handsome man, a real cutie! I certainly don't know what his sexual orientation is, or whether he's involved, but he wouldn't have any problem getting a girl or a guy based on looks. No wonder Joni gave him a big smacker right on the lips! Please tell him I have a very dear friend, one of my son's 2 godfathers, who has been through 2 bouts of colon cancer. Both involved surgeries. The second though, he was able to go successfully through surgery and then do the chemo. But Larry's great, 6 years after surgery #2. I believe that conventional treatments in conjunction with diet, meditation, faith, etc. all bring one to the center. A Dr. Anthony Satellero (spelling way off, but pronunciation ok) wrote about his cancer, very late stage and metastisized, and how he was cured. He went totally, completely macrobiotic *and* stayed with conventional treatments. Very inspiring books. Thank you dear Wally (and you, Jim, for relating it) for once again sharing Joni with us. She is a beauty, talking to Wally for so long. I suspect they are friends for life now. Before you know it, he'll be hanging pool side with her and her friends. But, I suspect, he'll stay with us too. So, Wally "here's to you...... Remember this each new day is a kiss Sent from up above with an angel's love" Yours in joni spirit, Karen Mc ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #216 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?