From: owner-joni-digest@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #214 Reply-To: Sender: owner-joni-digest@jmdl.com Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, June 23 1998 Volume 03 : Number 214 IMPORTANT - The JMDL has moved! Post all messages to from this point on. Update your address books! ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== Re: HAIR [Bounced Message ] =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:=A0_Joni_housewares?= [Bounced Message ] Re: The latest [sherrie.good@chronicle.com] "Woodstock 98" shaping up to be Jonifest [JRMCo1@aol.com] Top 5 on Hejira [steve@psitech.com (Steve Dulson)] JM-Ultra Rarity [Susan McNamara ] canadian joni tribute [joe horne ] Curtis Mayfield has leg amputated - NJC [JRMCo1@aol.com] IMPORTANT! Re: JM-Ultra Rarity [Les Irvin ] Fiscal Folly Sound Check ["Eric Jaimes" ] All's Phair [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: IMPORTANT! Re: JM-Ultra Rarity [Jill Tamada ] Laura Nyro ["Serkes, Jody" ] Re: motel pink and others [Melinda Everett ] Re: IMPORTANT! Re: JM-Ultra Rarity ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Joan Armatrading (NJC) [Bounced Message ] Alanis et al ["Eric Jaimes" ] Re: The latest [catman ] Closer to Fine (NJC) [Melinda Everett ] Closer to Fine (NJC) [Melinda Everett (by way ] NJC - This Is A Test! [steve@psitech.com (Steve Dulson)] Re: IMPORTANT! Re: JM-Ultra Rarity [sherrie.good@chronicle.com] Way to go, Wally! [steve@psitech.com (Steve Dulson)] re: she called! [Don Sloan ] The Jungle Line [Chilihead2@aol.com] Re: Horse Plug (njc) [Bill Dollinger ] Re: Joan Armatrading- long (NJC) [Wolfebite@aol.com] Emmylou, Lucinda (NJC) [sherrie.good@chronicle.com] Re: IMPORTANT! Re: JM-Ultra Rarity [Susan McNamara ] Re: Emmylou, Lucinda (NJC) [Bill Dollinger ] joni in usa today [Bill Dollinger ] Re: Joan Armatrading [Alan Larson ] Re: joni in usa today [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Fiscal Folly Sound Check [Alan Larson ] Re: Joan Armatrading (VLJC) [sherrie.good@chronicle.com] the last time i saw "chuck" ? [Alex Neubert ] last time i saw richard [Michael Heath ] woodstock [Tortorici@exchange.conference-board.org] Re: Alanis et al ["Eric Jaimes" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:56:51 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: HAIR Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. - --- start of message ---- Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:47:35 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Is it really the original? The Off-Broadway version? Or the Original cast recording from the Broadway version? I had them all, including Hair Pieces, Divine Hair, etc., etc. I was 19 when I first saw it in Toronto and it was experience I'll never forget. The Milos Forman movie is great, also. RickieLee1@aol.com wrote: > well hello fellow listers. > > i came home today at lunch time and found a package of cd's i had ordered from > my music club and had totally forgotten about. one of them was the original > cast recording from HAIR. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:59:56 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:=A0_Joni_housewares?= Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. - --- start of message ---- Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:12:01 -0500 From: Howard Motyl well my dear friend jimmy (hi jimmy- lurking somewhere on digest) brought me a taming the tiger t-shirt all the way here to chicago from L.A. I was thrilled! then i tried it on- it was a medium- and though i'm slim, it was uncomfortably tight- so i'm making it into a pillow! painting on front- logo on back. starting my own line of joni housewares...... the last time I saw richard dishwasher and coffee perculator set.... yellow checkers for the kitchen climbing ivy for the bath... marketing a line of joni mitchell paints, in colors like motel pink scarlett conquering motelroom blue cellophane black taxi yellow turbulent indigo brash fields butterscotch sunshine roses blue oily tafetta pastel walls brown (for dreary decorator) spring is born green what else? doug DON'T FORGET Exxon Blue and Radiation Rose ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:07:05 -0500 From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com Subject: Re: The latest Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. - --- start of message ---- oh god! i am SO glad to hear Wally is watching Judge Judy! my worries dropped 100%. Dr. Mitchell perscribed laughter for Wally, and THAT is a healing show! "you're a liar! i know a liar when i see one and you're a liar!" - --Judge Judy just last week my fave coworker and myself came out of the closet as big Judge Judy fans, and now Wally too. fabulous! Sherrie who had no doubt Joni would dial up Wally. never thought she wouldn't... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:35:13 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: "Woodstock 98" shaping up to be Jonifest The blurb below was in the L.A. Times today. I'm anxious to see who else will be on the bill. Marsha is gonna love this. I'm already chanting "we are stardust...we are golden...and we've got to get ourselves..." - -Julius > * * * ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:56:14 -0700 From: steve@psitech.com (Steve Dulson) Subject: Top 5 on Hejira Howard M. wrote: >I have always thought that there are five major songs on Hejira It's interesting that Joni performed 5 Hejira songs on the recent tour and tapings: Song for Sharon Hejira Refuge of the Roads Amelia Black Crow At the taping, someone called out for "Furry Sings The Blues" - Joni's response was something like "I don't *think* so..." Will she revive "Coyote"??? ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:48:36 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: JM-Ultra Rarity Just saw this post on rec.music.folk. Don't know if this is legit or not but might be worth someone's while to check it out: - ------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Joni Mitchell Ultra - Rarity From: ian@psychedelia.demon.co.uk Date: 1998/06/23 Message-ID: <6mnud2$op5$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Newsgroups: rec.music.folk [More Headers] Calling all Joni Mitchell fans Earlier this year a reel of tape has emerged from the collection of a well respected UK musician of long standing. This tape recorded in 1966 contains 16 completed songs in suberb quality. The tape will be sold later this year by auction or private sale. Should anyone have an interest in bidding on this item, please email me direct for full info. A preview tape will be available at cost price, so you can judge and authenticate your self. Best wishes Ian ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:02:51 -0700 (PDT) From: joe horne Subject: canadian joni tribute A friend of mine said that several Canadian artists did a Joni tribute album recently (that included Andy Stochansky, Ani Difranco's drummer boy). What is this album? Where can I get it? joe _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:11:15 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Curtis Mayfield has leg amputated - NJC Sad news below. I just bought the 25th anniversary edition of Mayfield's "Superfly" soundtrack, which is classic. Quoting from the liner notes: "In a way, Superfly is the black Sgt. Pepper's, an album whose influence is impossible to overstate, its impact impossible to measure, and its appeal impossible to deny." I wish him well. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:17:26 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: IMPORTANT! Re: JM-Ultra Rarity At 11:48 AM 6/23/98 -0400, someone wrote: >Calling all Joni Mitchell fans Earlier this year a reel of tape has emerged >from the collection of a well respected UK musician of long standing. This >tape recorded in 1966 contains 16 completed songs in suberb quality. The >tape will be sold later this year by auction or private sale. Should anyone >have an interest in bidding on this item, please email me direct for full >info. A preview tape will be available at cost price, so you can judge and >authenticate your self. Hi Joniphiles - No one really knows if this tape or this person is legitimate or not. However, a few of us are aware that this offer exists and have been carefully looking into it. I have a true favor to ask of all list members. It has to do with the law of supply and demand. If this tape is genuine, it is obviously of great value to Joni fans like us. And, the more requests and inquiries this guy gets regarding the tape - the higher the price will go. The higher the price, the further out of our reach it will be. My request is this: PLEASE do not contact this person about the tape. We have a MUCH better chance of hearing this if the "demand" for it is not known by the seller. If we are able to secure the tape, it may very well end up on a tape tree for free - for everyone to enjoy. The economics lesson is over. :-) Thanks for your co-operation folks! Les ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:22:20 -0400 From: "Eric Jaimes" Subject: Fiscal Folly Sound Check Testing this new e-mail address coming to you live from the bowels of Corporate America, where creativity and sensitivity are scorned in favour of profound fear which manifests itself as avarice and eminence, where minds are delighted to be cluttered with fiscal and political concerns so that there is simply no room left for pondering metaphysical matters or one's own mortality... I've been quiet, it's true. Can't keep my mind off "The Fez," and when Joni will play there, if ever. I wish no one had ever brought it up as it is apparently not true, she is not playing New York. Now it's all I can think about when I read the list. That's not to say the posts aren't interesting anymore, they certainly are. I particularly like the discussion about Trent's biting lyrics (offensive to some, poignant to others like myself) and about sad songs - I think Joni's saddest song for me is "The Silky Veils of Ardour," which is also one of my favourites. Elton John's got a few gems in that department as well - I have one in mind in particular which I can't place the name of, it's on Madman Across the Water, I think, and it begins: "...so now that it's all over the birds can nest again a lonely snow and the sun comes out I shine only when it starts to rain and if you want a drink, just squeeze my hand and wine will flow into the land and feed my lambs.... For I am a mirror....." etc. anybody recall the name of that song? C minor. Another one of my favourites. Signing off, back into the abyss of Fiscal Folly.... Eric NP - Tori, From the Choirgirl Hotel (which is outstanding - eagerly awaiting July 28....) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:22:30 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: All's Phair Apparently Liz Phair is a good friend of Rosanna Arquette, I saw a photo of them cozying up together, along with Wynonna Rider. Didn't Rosanna introduce Joni at her recent taping? I would've loved to have been a fly on the wall to hear what Joni and Liz talked about, musically and otherwise. If they've ever met. That Rosanna gets around...Madonna, Joni, Liz and you know there may be more... - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:26:54 -0700 From: Jill Tamada Subject: Re: IMPORTANT! Re: JM-Ultra Rarity Les is right. We need to pool our resources, keep the demand low and get this tape if it's legit. Might make a nice get well present for Wally too. - -Jill - wanting to know where to send her contribution towards buying the tape for the JMDL. Les Irvin wrote: > If we are able to secure the tape, it may very well > end up on a tape tree for free - for everyone to enjoy. > > The economics lesson is over. :-) > Thanks for your co-operation folks! > Les ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:19:46 -0400 From: "Serkes, Jody" Subject: Laura Nyro So nice to hear from people who appreciate Laura, even Joni did, which as we know comes slowly. She tends to be more critical. As a long time consummate fan of Laura Nyro and Joni Mitchell, it took me this long to figure out how to post. I have been a supporter of Wally Breese since he started his wonderful page dedicated to JM, and just got back from the Pauley Pavilion show and my review is posted on Wally's site. As far as Nyro, Eli and the 13th Confession is to me her consummate work. I am dedicated to the preserving the value of her work, and to turn as many people on to her a humanly possible. Her work spanned 60's-90's and all is worth a look. I think most people will enjoy the first 5 albums immensely - First Songs, Eli and the 13th Confession, New York Tendaberry, Christmas and the Beads of Sweat, that is a good start. Most recent, is a compilation release of her work spanning all of her career. Please get it , it is a double CD and worth every penny. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:46:20 -0500 From: Melinda Everett Subject: Re: motel pink and others Doug, > motel pink > scarlett conquering > motelroom blue > cellophane black > taxi yellow > turbulent indigo > brash fields > butterscotch sunshine > roses blue > oily tafetta > pastel walls brown (for dreary decorator) > spring is born green > Having just finished painting my new room, I looked through tons of paint samples with the most ridiculous names. these, however, these colors sound like just what I was looking for! Maybe you've found a new calling?! ;-) Melinda - -- Support the OLGA Blue Treble Clef Campaign! http://www.olga.net/support.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:39:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: IMPORTANT! Re: JM-Ultra Rarity On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, Jill Tamada wrote: > -Jill - wanting to know where to send her contribution towards > buying the tape for the JMDL. I'll second that. All I want is to listen to such a gem, not own it (but a copy would be nice!) Unfortunately, since it is pre 1978 Joni wouldn't own the rights to it in the U.S., but she may under Canadian copyright. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:43:10 -0400 From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: Jaco's bass on Hejira & DJRD I've been slow to catch up on digests and slow to catch on to the new address... anyway, I remember reading that someone didn't care for Jaco's playing on Joni's records... I find this interesting -- to me Jaco's bass is integral to Hejira, and to DJRD as well. It's haunting and huge and resonant... I think that it works so well on these albums because the enormity of the sound seems to describe a landscape, and so much of these 2 albums is related to place and motion. I think of the covers of both albums... it's like Jaco's playing is right on the horizon line, the thing that joins the earth and sky, the thing that joins the head and heart of Joni's music at this time. I can't imagine these songs working without Jaco. Just my opinion. Kay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:50:56 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Joan Armatrading (NJC) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:01:53 -0400 From: The Yarn Kollection > Sounds like you guys haven't listened to her latest cd yet. "What's > Inside" is brilliant - you'll laugh, cry, dance, love. Joan, like Joni, > is getting better with age. > Brett and All, I've posted in the past about my hugh love of Joan and her music. I've seen her twice in concert - once with Al Jarreau and Dave Sanborn - also with Richard Thompson. Both times at The Mann but years a part. The last being about 1-1/2 years ago. I totally agree with you about "What's Inside". When I first got this cd I must have played it over and over again. Esp. "Lost The Love" The guitar in that cut just puts you right in the heart of the song. Feeling the lost expressed by the words and the pain of realizing that often when you hurt someone, you do just as much damage to yourself. "Shapes And Sizes" : ' Obituary columns are filled with love Don't wait until it's over Before you say it's all been fun... ... Don't wait until I'm waving and drowning in a sea of tears.' Simply expressed but powerfully delivered. "Shape Of A Pony" : The rhythm of this tune just sweeps you along and the desperate emotions are so clearly pictured by the words - - 'Works so hard but he just can't get it Youth all spent on a pie in the sky Ace is high But the thing is to try Lady luck Won't you give up a smile ... ... These are but a few of the cuts that makes this offering from Joan live large. I too 'recommend the love', care and artistry that Joan expresses in this body of work. As well as the older stuff. She is another Joan that gets a fair share of spins on the spiral in this house. Mendi - -- "Don't listen to the din rising behind you. Look at life like a train wreck and one finds you. Light a match and your fear of fire will burn you down." P.L. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:57:30 -0400 From: "Eric Jaimes" Subject: Alanis et al Don wrote, "Oh brother! To even mention the whiny, pop-culture pseudo-victimization that Alanis embodies and the SIQUOMB in the same breath has got to be some sort of crime." And I reply, How can we expect everyone on the list to have the same taste? We cannot. Surely Alanis is no Joni, and if she stays on the same path as today's musical heros it is unlikely that Alanis will grow and develop the way Joni did, as few artists have. But people with taste will discern that Alanis, judging from her one and only album to date, is a formidable artist. I sometimes get tired of defending Alanis, because so many people with narrow vision who don't really EXAMINE something before they pass judgement dismiss Alanis because of the tone of her voice, or even worse, her videos (which are among the worst rock videos ever made). However, her writing is heartfelt and often powerful, and full of the spirit of rock-n-roll. "Pseudo-victimization?" Hmmm. Shall we sling generalizations or discuss the facts? I don't have the album with me, but let's look at the songs (at least the ones I can recall by memory). This is not an answer key, these are my own interpretations of the songs, simplified to one sentence: 1) You Oughta Know - about being pissed off at an old lover who dumped her, the anger of first love lost and end of naivety 2) Right Through You - about "seeing through" record company execs and other people who are full of shit - "posers" 3) Hand in My Pocket - about approaching things with a laid back attitude, taking it with a grain of salt 4) Not the Doctor - about the importance of individuality vs. the classic "needy" type, esp. in relationships 5) Forgiven - Growing up under the hypocritical doctrine of Roman Catholicism 6) You Learn - little lessons that life experience teaches you 7) Mary Jane - about the importance of gaining self respect and self esteem Is any of this "jagged- little-pill wannabes passing out lyrical blame like campaign promises and accepting no personal responsibility?" That's all I can remember right now. I saw her live at Tramps from the front row just before the Circus got a hold of her, and it's a show I won't forget. Oh, there's one more song I remember - called "Wake Up." I forget what that one's about actually. Maybe it's about how judgemental folks should wake up and have a LISTEN. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:52:53 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: The latest sherrie.good@chronicle.com wrote: > Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. > --- start of message ---- > > oh god! i am SO glad to hear Wally is watching Judge Judy! my worries > dropped 100%. Dr. Mitchell perscribed laughter for Wally, and THAT is > a > healing show! > > "you're a liar! > i know a liar when i see one > and you're a liar!" > --Judge Judy > > just last week my fave coworker and myself came out of the closet as > big > Judge Judy fans, and now Wally too. We watch her here too! What a woman! Wouldn't like to mess with her! colin > > > fabulous! > > Sherrie > who had no doubt Joni would dial up Wally. never thought she > wouldn't... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:24:12 -0500 From: Melinda Everett Subject: Closer to Fine (NJC) Hi all, Any Indigo Girls fans out there who know the chords to Closer to Fine? I would normally go right to OLGA and obtain the song there, but, alas, I can do this no more. I know the basic riff, but need the chorus and other parts that deviate from that famous G/D riff. Can anyone help me? I would be so grateful--I wanna play the whole song! Thanks, Melinda - -- Support the OLGA Blue Treble Clef Campaign! http://www.olga.net/support.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:12:22 -0600 From: Melinda Everett (by way of Les Irvin ) Subject: Closer to Fine (NJC) Hi all, Any Indigo Girls fans out there who know the chords to Closer to Fine? I would normally go right to OLGA and obtain the song there, but, alas, I can do this no more. I know the basic riff, but need the chorus and other parts that deviate from that famous G/D riff. Can anyone help me? I would be so grateful--I wanna play the whole song! Thanks, Melinda - -- Support the OLGA Blue Treble Clef Campaign! http://www.olga.net/support.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:11:29 -0700 From: steve@psitech.com (Steve Dulson) Subject: NJC - This Is A Test! Please ignore - just trying to resolve some communication problems. Les - I sent this to the list without the @uunet extension. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:14:54 -0500 From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com Subject: Re: IMPORTANT! Re: JM-Ultra Rarity good idea Les - let one JMDL member buy it at a decent price, then: tape tree time! we could even chip in to pay the person back for the purchase. speaking of tape trees, where is Simon? sherrie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:25:32 -0700 From: steve@psitech.com (Steve Dulson) Subject: Way to go, Wally! GREAT conversation with Siquomb, Wally! How neat that she'd call! Coupla points: >She said that she had a harder time connecting at >the Friday night taping session due to an >overflow of industry types Ha! So she noticed, too! I'm glad she knows now that there were some fans there, too. >She'll most likely just sing if >she does "Harlem in Havana" live, as it's a >difficult song to sing and play at the same time. Aha! Planning some live shows, eh? With a band, eh? I'm turning Canadian in anticipation, eh? ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:20:30 -0700 From: Don Sloan Subject: re: she called! Wally... This is great! I was wondering if there would be any contact from Joni or *her people*. It really makes me feel good that she reached out to you. I mean, get well wishes from JMDLers is one thing, but a call from Joni? What medicine!! Be well Wally... continued thoughts, good vibes, prayers and all that coming your way. Don ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:28:35 EDT From: Chilihead2@aol.com Subject: The Jungle Line This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_898626516_boundary Content-ID: <0_898626516@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi, My wife and I were in New York Sunday to see Cirque du Soleil. We stopped by the Museum of Modern Art specifically to see Henri Rousseau's paintings of the "The Dream" and "The Sleeping Gypsy". I assume this is the Rousseau mentioned in Joni's "The Jungle Line". Does anyone know more about this? Also, If any has been looking for a way to heal the split between your working everyday life and the artist in you, I recommend the book, The Vein of Gold by Julia Cameron. She also has just written a new book that deals specifically with this issue, but I've yet to read it. On my chalkboard in our living room, I wrote "It's just the summer in the young blood, ripe and juicy in the young blood!". I also added my own line, "Just another Big Fat Summer coming on." It does cause some comment. Here's wishing everyone on the list a fantastic summer and sincerely hope we get a chance to all meet in New York for a Joni concert. - -Brian - --part0_898626516_boundary Content-ID: <0_898626516@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Chilihead2@aol.com Return-path: To: who?@smoe.org Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #212 Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:58:38 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi, My wife and I were in New York Sunday to see Cirque du Soleil. We stopped by the Museum of Modern Art specifically to see Henri Rousseau's paintings of the "The Dream" and "The Sleeping Gypsy". I assume this is the Rousseau mentioned in Joni's "The Jungle Line". Does anyone know more about this? Also, If any has been looking for a way to heal the split between your working everyday life and the artist in you, I recommend the book, The Vein of Gold by Julia Cameron. She also has just written a new book that deals specifically with this issue, but I've yet to read it. On my chalkboard in our living room, I wrote "It's just the summer in the young blood, ripe and juicy in the young blood!". I also added my own line, "Just another Big Fat Summer coming on." It does cause some comment. Here's wishing everyone on the list a fantastic summer and sincerely hope we get a chance to all meet in New York for a Joni concert. - -Brian - --part0_898626516_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:39:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Dollinger Subject: Re: Horse Plug (njc) On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, Thomas Ross wrote: > > The Cormack & Ross Band's new CD 'global jazz songs' album > > *HORSE of STONE*, > > made possible by David Crosby, has excerpts and info at Isn't this a few years old? I have a copy of it on tape, but it is not really the type of music that leaves me with any emotion. The musical technique is adequate, but the lyrics leave me cold. On a related note, I never cared much for the Stone Ponies, but I love Linda Ronstadt. She is coming out with a new cd this week, I believe. She is being backed by the Heartbreakers, featuring songs by John Hiatt, Springsteen, and a cover of Dylan's Tom Thumb Blues. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:51:26 EDT From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: Re: Joan Armatrading- long (NJC) also to add my support for the latest joan armatrading project- "what's inside". It's her best since "the shouting stage"- (better i think) and ranks up there with her earlier 'classics'. Joan is someone who has continued to plug away, shaping a sound and style of her own- her signature still is the simply elegant and poignant love anthem- from willow- to love and affection- to i'm lucky- weakness in me- heaven- up to the latest albumn with the startlingly simple and direct 'in your eyes'.... (i roughly remember it as....) in your eyes i can see something something so sure. in your eyes... as bright as the stars as blue as the sky i could die in your eyes... no unique twist in lyric writing- but her smooth smokey delivery- the way she repeats "something'- as if she's trying to speak of the profound- her voice reminds me of nina simone- that kind of restrained electricity. and the rest of the works- shapes and sizes with kronos quartet- an upbeat calypso-art song about love and dying- and 'everyday boy'- another anthem to life- the wistful melancholy of 'merchant of love'.. someone help me find the merchant of love with a full quarantee and some of her most successful pop numbers in years- - get it!!! as a parrallel- 'what's inside' is the turbulent indigo of joan's career- a mature, sharp artist that has experimented with all styles of pop music and production- and has reigned in the experiences into a finely honed collection of songs i can remember hearing 'love and affection' on the radio as it a kid- and it struck me the same way 'help me' did- it sent a phantom nerve impulse, a vicarious warning, through my pre-pubescent bodycells that said- 'oh boy, do you have some fun waiting for you when you grow up'. 'killing me softly' did the same thing. at nine years old i had no idea what love, romance, heartache, surrender, abandon was about- but i had anthems in my head already - - promising me all beauty and torture I could ever want! i wanted to feel those songs for real. but alas- at 35 (in 4 days)- the songs are that- songs. and i'm still the romantic sweet sucker at the dance. we move in measures through loves changing faces needy and nonchalant greedy and gracious through petty dismissals and grand imbraces like it was only a dance doug np: jeff buckley: sketches for my sweetheart the drunk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:59:28 -0500 From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com Subject: Emmylou, Lucinda (NJC) on the recommendations of several list members (esp. Brad, being the biggest Emmylou fan here) i bought 'Wrecking Ball.' thanks to all who promoted it. it is wonderful. i was especially thrilled to hear Emmylou cover 'Sweet Old World,' a Lucinda Williams tune. then at lunch today i spotted a used CD by Emmylou called 'Cowgirl Prayers.' when i saw she covered 'Crescent City,' another Lucinda tune, i snapped it up. i also picked up 'Cooking with Queen Ida.' i love her... what is my point? i guess i am just excited because i get to see Lucinda this Sunday. i think she is one of the best things happening. a duet with Lucinda and Emmylou would probably cause the world to spin off it's axis in joy Sherrie Luxury Liner remains my all-time-fave Emmylou album ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:07:55 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: IMPORTANT! Re: JM-Ultra Rarity I reiterate Les' plea here. I had no idea what the deal was with this tape, and I think we should leave the negotiations in the hands of Les & co. for the greater good, and the good of Joni, of course. Thanks, Sue > >Hi Joniphiles - >No one really knows if this tape or this person is legitimate or not. >However, a few of us are aware that this offer exists and have been >carefully looking into it. > >I have a true favor to ask of all list members. > >It has to do with the law of supply and demand. If this tape is genuine, >it is obviously of great value to Joni fans like us. And, the more >requests and inquiries this guy gets regarding the tape - the higher the >price will go. The higher the price, the further out of our reach it will be. > >My request is this: >PLEASE do not contact this person about the tape. > >We have a MUCH better chance of hearing this if the "demand" for it is not >known by the seller. If we are able to secure the tape, it may very well >end up on a tape tree for free - for everyone to enjoy. > >The economics lesson is over. :-) >Thanks for your co-operation folks! >Les ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:07:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Dollinger Subject: Re: Emmylou, Lucinda (NJC) On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 sherrie.good@chronicle.com wrote: > cover 'Sweet Old World,' a Lucinda Williams tune. then at lunch today i > spotted a used CD by Emmylou called 'Cowgirl Prayers.' when i saw she > covered 'Crescent City,' another Lucinda tune, i snapped it up. i also > picked up 'Cooking with Queen Ida.' i love her... > Drat! Out-scarfed again in DC Bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:09:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Dollinger Subject: joni in usa today joni has a photo in mcpaper (usa today) in the life section with a brief announcement of the day in the garden "woodstock" concert. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:14:49 -0500 From: Alan Larson Subject: Re: Joan Armatrading Even though I haven't really listened to much of Joan lately, the song Love and Affection still resonates in my mind. It is such a great syncopated song, with unique rhythm and an excellent emotion to it. I agreed with all that you wrote, and so eloquently at that, Doug. Thought I'd post a copy of one of my favorite love songs of hers, often favorites chosen for their simplicity to figure out the lyrics and chords. It's called "Always." "you never say i love you you have to add always and if i cry you wipe the tears away you say you'll be here darling always but always---is a long, long time time to change so much i wanna stay with you--always (break) oh...the gifts that you bring darling you have given me the joy of living in every way after all this time things haven't changed that much i wanna stay with you always i used to say i love you... always! Also, a question for you Joan fans. What song was it they used on that riveting episode of Homicide--Life on the Streets about the daughter who needed to talk her father into testifying to help the son? a perfect fit for her music. Was it The Shouting Stage? The father was played by Rock--Charles Dutton. The music just added power and poignancy to a great dramatic episode. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:16:28 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: joni in usa today She sure is getting a lot of coverage for this. Maybe NOW is the time to release TTT! Jerry Bill Dollinger wrote: > joni has a photo in mcpaper (usa today) > in the life section with a brief announcement > of the day in the garden "woodstock" concert. > > Bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:20:19 -0500 From: Alan Larson Subject: Re: Fiscal Folly Sound Check That song by Elton John is called Goodbye. I always thought it would make a fine addition to the soundtrack of the movie Friends, which includes some gems like Season's Reprise, if you haven't heard it. Of course, I'm sure it's out of print. Entire soundtrack by Elton and Bernie. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:29:53 -0500 From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com Subject: Re: Joan Armatrading (VLJC) i've seen Joan four times. the first was the best. 'Me, Myself, I' had just come out. My friends and I saw her at the Kennedy Center. we arrived without tickets, and found a guy sitting out on the patio area with a handful of extras he unloaded for $3.00 each! i bought her very first album, (I believe it is her first) 'Whatevers For Us' when it came out because i liked the cover painting and i would buy anything if the person wrote all of the tunes (a gamble i used to take). i stayed with her through 'The Key' and maybe one more after that, then she lost me... so I am glad to hear good news about Joan. same thing with Emmylou. i have everything she did until 'White Shoes,' then i just lost interest. it is nice to hear her again too. Joni Mitchell, Lyle Lovett, Ferron... these are ones I never have to wonder "will this be good?" I race out to buy anything new they do, satifaction guaranteed! sherrie obviously not too damn busy today! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:06:34 -0400 From: Alex Neubert Subject: the last time i saw "chuck" ? hi to "the list" and a bouquet as big as the universe to wally as we all monitor your progress. my best to you. to the point at hand, i'm soooo far behind ... in response to a ? from Hayley, Sue speculated that The Last Time I Saw Richard was about Chuck M. (this has always been my suspicion also). Detroit in '68... Do I remember reading somewhere that Joni said she hadn't seen Chuck in "however many" years or was it Brad (Kilauren's father) she was talking about? Either way, was that date in '68? does it coincide with Richard? or am I completely confusing too many people and dates? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:15:04 -0700 From: Michael Heath Subject: last time i saw richard There was a long haired, full bearded guy doing the folk same folk circuits as joni back in the mid-sixties named richard...can't recall his last name...but i think he ended up in Stratford, Ontario as part of group called the Peanut Butter Conspiracy. I know he and Joni talked but as to whether he's the Richard or not...? cul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:25:18 -0400 From: Tortorici@exchange.conference-board.org Subject: woodstock This just in: Don Henley, Pete Townshend, Lou Reed, Ziggy Marley, Richie Havens, Ten Years After added to Stevie Nicks and Joni Mitchell for "A Day in the Garden" Aug 14-15 at Bethel, NY. 70 bucks per day, so much for free love. Henley, Nicks, Marley, 10 years on Friday Townshend, Mitchell, Reed, Havens on Sat. Tix go on sale this Sat at 10am thru Ticketmaster Kids under 12 free ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:36:13 -0400 From: "Eric Jaimes" Subject: Re: Alanis et al Don, It's great that you wrote such a thoughtful response to my Alanis comments, demonstrating that you are not making blind judgements and that you have listened to the stuff. That's why this list is always so refreshing to me, because the people here really put their "money where their mouth is," so to speak, it's just plain good conversation, musical or otherwise. So I just want to say ('cause you oughta know) what it is I like about some of these songs. I should begin by saying that I love the element of Rock music which is anger, whether it is Eddie Vedder's poetic angst, Pete Townshend's loner rebellion or Jethro Tull's biting satire. Joni's music doesn't really express anger often, but has a narrative kind of brilliance of its own. When I think of Joni, I think of seamless synthesis of poetry and musicianship, that makes her, well - Joni. On the Survey 2000 (at www.makoojik.com), Joni is of course in my top ten list while Alanis is not. But I digress.... >1) You Oughta Know - about being pissed off at an old lover who dumped her, the anger of first love lost and end of naivety "I'll grant you this is one of the big historical rock-'n-roll themes ...it just happens to be one of the more shallow lyrical treatments, sorry." Nobody is saying that Alanis has the poetic merits of Joni. No comparison. The only lyricists (not including poets) I put with the ranks of Joni are Eddie Vedder, Jim Morrison, and Bernie Taupin. But in this song when Alanis sings: Did you forget about me, Mr. Duplicity I hate to bug you in the middle of dinner It was a slap in the face how quickly I was replaced Are you thinking of me when you fuck her? and then ...and every time I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it...." I like the line "I hate to bug you in the middle of dinner," because it creates the two pictures, you know, the angry slighted ex and the comfy guy at the dinner table. It's not poetry, but it is sincere, biting anger. Have you never felt anger for being slighted in a similar manner? Remember, Alanis is young, so she just happened to write about this feeling that I think everyone has had at some point. Just because someone captures a moment of anger in a song like a photograph does not mean that they are placing blame or being perpetually victimized; they are just capturing a moment, a feeling. I really like this song, in spite of the radio overkill, media overkill, etc. I also love what Flea does on the bass. AND it's the only good video she has.... >2) Right Through You - about "seeing through" record company execs and other people who are full of shit - "posers" "Here's another lyrical blank blame-check for all those nasty, sexist record exec types who tried to ruin poor little defenseless Alanis ... "wine me dine me 69 me/Didn't hear a word I said" She gets her revenge though, she manages to take credit for biting the hand that feeds." Who said anything about being defenseless? Let me tell you - I myself am a musician still trying to land that big deal. Chances are it ain't coming, so I'll never get the chance to say "I told you so" to all the people who turned me down. But if I got signed - I would love to sing: Now that I'm Miss Thing (OK, in drag) Now that I'm a Zillionaire You scan the credits for your name And wonder why it's not there - to every A&R guy who ever turned me down. It's like "screw you, buddy." And anyone familiar with the business knows that A&R guys are famous for turning down talent - from Elton John to Joni to Billy Joel - you name it, many class acts are turned down by Record Execs because they don't fit into a mold. And lyrically, I especially like the chorus: I see right through you I know right through you I feel right through you I walk right through you It's not just I SEE right through you, it's I KNOW right through you, FEEL right through you, and ultimately WALK right through you. Yes indeed, she kept going. She walked right through you. She walked right through the people who, although they look for nothing else than a big selling record, couldn't sniff one which to you seems to obviously "about record sales" right under their executive noses. It's not about "biting the hand that feeds you," it's about biting the hand that didn't recognize your talent. This is probably my favourite song on the record. It is so passionate. >3) Hand in My Pocket - about approaching things with a laid back attitude, taking it with a grain of salt "If you want to approach things with a laid-back attitude, or listen to songs about it, try "Feelin' Groovy", "Everybody must get stoned ..." "That's Why I'm Here" or "FM" ..." I don't particularly like this song. I don't dislike it (the only song on the album I actually DISLIKE is "Head Over Feet"), but I'm not crazy about it. I mentioned it because I remembed it, and to point out the diversity of subject matter on the record. To get the vibe, I'd choose maybe "Take it Easy (The Eagles)" or "Into White" (Cat Stevens). >4) Not the Doctor - about the importance of individuality vs. the classic "needy" type, esp. in relationships "Really? So the way to increase your individuality is to shun others? And what good is individuality if the end result is that you only care about yourself?" I don't know what you mean here, really. What evidence is there in this song that she only cares about herself? It sounds to me like you have a problem expressing anger to any degree. Here, with a harmless bit of anger, she is singing about not wanting to be someone's crutch, or someone's "glass of single malt whiskey hidden in the bottom drawer." She would prefer, one might presume, to be in a healthy, growing, mutually beneficial relationship. Lyrically, this is one of her strongest songs, and it's another one of my favourites: I don't want to be the sweeper of the eggshells that you walk upon I don't want to be your other half I believe that 1 and 1 make 2 I don't want to be your food or the light from the fridge on your face at midnight - hey - What are you hungry for? Is that not a great image? "the light from the fridge on your face at midnight" - what the hell are you hungry for? You don't even know what it is you want.... >5) Forgiven - Growing up under the hypocritical doctrine of Roman >Catholicism Okay we've blamed the ex-lover, the music industry and it's traps specifically designed to ruin her, weak men ... sure the next easiest target has GOT to be the Catholic Church. Take a look at this one, because even Madonna, whom no one would deem a theologian, has more and better to say about this subject. And one more time, "We had out minds made up for us ..." God forbid you could admit to being able to make up your own ... I think your definition of blamed is "sung about." Well, while we're on the subject, my favourite song about the hypocricies of the church is without question "Wind Up" by Jethro Tull. My God, thank you very much, is not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays.... Again, you are right in that this song is lyrically weak. To reply to your "God forbid you could admit to being able to make up your own," or unable, as I think you mean to say, Alanis writes: "We all needed something to cling to - So we did" Don't forget how young she is, how young she was when she wrote this song, and how young she was when she was inspired to write this song. I don't look for any words of wisdom or poetic justice in her writing, just heartfelt songwriting by a young, passionate and talented girl. Again Don, these are just my opinions and yours. Glad we took the time to discuss it, it was fun! Cheers, Eric NP - Cirque du Soleil - Alegria ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #214 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?