From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #213 Reply-To: who? Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, June 23 1998 Volume 03 : Number 213 IMPORTANT - The JMDL has moved! Post all messages to from this point on. Update your address books! ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 03:13:09 -0400 From: "Eric W Taylor" Subject: PLEASE SING THIS AT WOODSTOCK JONI! Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. - --- start of message ---- (Where crows gaze -- vigilant on wires Where cattle graze the grasses Far from the digits of business hours The moon clock wanes and waxes -- But here all time is stripped away Nowhere on these plains Is a sprout or an egg in evidence To measure loss or gain... Only a little Indian band Come down from some windy mesa No women to make them food and child No expression on their faces. I'm low in a helicopter And the wind from whirling blades Flaps their woven blankets And flags their raven braids How came they to this emptiness? How came they to this dream? How came they to this view From a flying machine Of earth and air and water And a band of Indian men Without herbs or flocks or crops Or families to tend? Like a phoenix up from ashes now A blanket figure springs With a fist raised up to turquois skies Like liberty And at the point of vanishing Where the sky and the earth meet A bomb blooms Deadly mushroom White Gold Heat Like a phoenix up from ashes Up from violent mysteries And growing 'till the giant blast Is to it like the golfer's tee There comes a child's beach ball And memory takes me back To the beach to toss it up To the garage to get it patched A pink and yellow beach ball Rolling Grand Detached Turning the blues and greens of earth From space probe photographs I float out of the hovercraft Naked as infancy And weightless And drifting Horizontally Like a filling to a magnet Like the long descent of rain I am drawn I fall against the ball And lose paprika plains I suckle at my mother's breast I embrace my mother earth I remember perforated blinds Over the crib of my birth. And just as ancient Eve succumed To reckless curiosity I take my sharpest fingernail And slash the globe to see Below me -- Vast Paprika plains And the snake the river traces And the little band of Indian men With no expression on their faces)." Paprika Plains always lands me on the perfect planet. I will endure the mud and crowds of Woodstock 98 just to hear you, Joni! I missed the original concert. But, then, so did you... Will Woodstock 98 be held on Yasgur's farm? E.T. NP: Song To A Seagull ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:44:37 +0100 From: Linda Brady Subject: Liz, the mudda, and Laura (kinda long) Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. - --- start of message ---- Hello Joniphiles. As a digest (usually) lurker, I have a lot of catching up to do. Apologies in advance for the length of this post :) On the subject of my dear Liz Phair, who I will defend to the end!, she herself is a mother, and from all I know, it hasn't changed her approach to lyric-writing. Of course, it has changed her life, but not the way she expresses herself. And that word "morality" is quite a dangerous word to apply to any artistic endeavor. I think it should be left out of any argument altogether. It's like some of the rap groups singing about "bitches" and "hos". I don't like it, but they gotta say what they gotta say, so that people I do like can express themselves. As far as Liz "resorting" to "rubbish," as always, this is opinion, and you're entitled to it, but many of us think she is eloquent and that she has that ability that so few artists do, of encapsulating a moment that we can relate to. To me, "resorting to rubbish" in this case equals "breaking boundaries." I mean, people said that about Joni when she made Mingus: "ah, who does she think she is? She thinks she's a jazz singer? Harumph!" She was doing something different and new that a rock singer hadn't really done before. That's what Liz Phair has done, and that's hardly resorting to anything. Liz Phair fans are some of the most *intelligent* people around. You have to be; she's very clever, and if you read her lyrics at face value you're missing out. I suggest you listen to "Exile in Guyville" five times before drawing a conclusion about her or her music. Speaking of which, nobody has mentioned her music. She uses some of the most interesting chords and effects around, while still creating great pop. Joni should be proud that her cool tunings and production have been embraced by her descendants. On the subject of another cool woman, someone (sorry I deleted your name!) wrote: >Are >"Tendaberry" and "Xmas" like Nested? I would really love to hear 'that sound' >some more - any advice would be appreciated. I think Nested is really good (especially "Crazy Love"), but to me, anyway, Tendaberry and Xmas are far superior, just for the consistency of songwriting. I do not think either of them are particularly like Nested, though, as there was about 10 years between Nested and those records. NY Tendaberry is a moody, funky, fascinating record. It takes a bunch of listens to really get into, but it is SO worth it. And Christmas and the Beads... is weird: side one (on the record anyway) is this funky, Stax-like, horn record, and side 2 is more like Tendaberry: moody and introspective. Really ace. I totally recommend both. Thanks for letting me ramble. Linda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 04:53:02 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Liz, the mudda, and Laura (kinda long) Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. - --- start of message ---- >Thanks for letting me ramble. > >Linda Linda, Linda, Linda! Were we separated at birth? WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 03:48:15 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Re: Liz Phair (NJC) Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. - --- start of message ---- David wrote: > Not to lower Terry M.'s and Paul I.'s and whoever else's opinion of this song >even further, but though on Exile the word is "minions" I have read that the >original line here (on her Girlysound recordings? Jase?) was "and your >GIRLFRIEND too" -- at which the record company quailed, to the detriment of >the song, IMHO. Yes, in the original lyrics of "Flower," as heard on Liz's Girlysound Demos, the line was indeed "and your girlfriend too." I never really bought into the stories that Matador asked Liz to temper the line to "minions," as they really don't seem to be the type of label who would object to such content, and also, from what I've heard, they never got to hear any of the tracks while work on _Exile_ was in progress; I don't believe they heard anything from the album until Liz had completed it and turned it in. For those on the list who are fans of Liz, if you haven't already, you really need to get ahold of a copy of Liz's Girlysound tapes. The collection consists of two tapes of recordings Liz made on a four-track after college. Liz had long been writing songs and playing guitar, but kept her music to herself; no one around her was aware of the fact that she played or wrote songs. While studying at Oberlin, Liz became intrigued with fell into the local indie scene, dating and making friends with many of the musicians, playing the role of the "band wife" as she later called it, all the while continuing to write songs in private. After graduating, Liz moved out to San Francisco with some friends, and they had many plans for theatre productions and other artistic ventures, but nothing ever came to fruition. During the latter part of Liz's stay there, she was feeling down about all the things they hadn't accomplished but had set out to do, and it was at this time that a friend of one of the women Liz was rooming with came to visit. This friend was Chris Brokaw, who at that time was a member of the band Codeine, and he would later join Come, another influentional indie band. Chris happened to hear Liz play, and ended up sitting around playing guitars with Liz during most of his stay. Liz played him many of the songs she had been writing, including one entitled "Johnny Sunshine," which would later appear on _Exile in Guyville_. Impressed with her songwriting ability, he asked Liz to make him a tape after she returned to Chicago. Back home, living with her parents, Liz retreated to the suburban bedroom of her childhood and started recording. She completed one tape, which she dubbed 'Girly Sound,' and sent out two copies: One to Brokaw, and one to another friend, Tae Won Yu, who was in the band Kicking Giant. Liz then worked on and completed a second tape, and again sent out copies to these two friends. Both were impressed with what they heard, and started making copies of the tapes for other friends in the underground music scene. While they were the only direct recipients of Liz's homemade efforts, their dubbing decks soon spawned a sea of Girly fans. The tapes were soon circulating freely as others started dubbing their copies and passing them along, usually several generations away from the original source. It wasn't long before the tapes found their way to various labels, including Matador, who were intrigued enough to sign Liz. But what of the music? Well, it's essentially bare-bones, consisting of Liz's voice and guitar. Sometimes she would overdub other guitar parts, or vocal parts, allowing her to create counter-melodies or to harmonize with herself. Sometimes Liz would weave different vocal parts around each other, something she does with great skill and which has become one of her trademarks on her official releases. Another trademark of Liz's is her unconventional guitar playing, and there are many glimpses of this on these recordings. While Liz hasn't experimented with open tunings to near the extent Joni has, she made use of them on the songs "If I Ever Pay You Back" and "Shane." She also tends to play a lot of non-traditional guitar chords, which is also in evidence here. As for her songwriting, one thing that has always been intriguing about Liz is that a lot of the time she has an adversion to the conventional verse-chorus-verse song structure, a fact which is apparent in many of these tracks. Thematically, these songs are wide-ranging: while there are many of the relationship songs that would dominate the bulk of both _Exile in Guyville_ and _Whip-Smart_, there were also a lot of exceptional narratives, commentary on the Gulf War (which was taking place at the time Liz was recording these tapes), and explorations of everything from fame to isolation to trying to find one's place. There were many flashes of humor in the songs, sometimes dark, occasionally crude, at times both. Liz also borrowed from rock history, filtering it through her own sensibilities and making plays on what had come before her. On "Wild Thing," Liz took the well-known song and rewrote it; on a few other tracks, she would incorporate the melodies from other songs into her own compositions. At times, she even borrowed from jump-rope chants to create the effects she was trying to achieve. In a sense, what she was doing was not all that different from what is a commonplace in rap -- sampling -- only instead of using reels of tape, Liz would play the melodies herself, sort of "manually sampling" them. These recordings have an air of intimacy to them, aided by Liz's barely-amplified electric guitar and occasionally hushed vocals. In some ways, it's like eavesdropping on someone whose door has been left ajar while they are playing. The lo-fi aesthetic helps to enhance this feel. Not everything on these tapes is brilliant, as Liz was still finding her voice as a writer, but a lot of these songs do stand up to the quality of those on her official releases. In fact, some of these songs did find their way onto her albums in vastly reworked versions (it's quite interesting to compare these originals to the versions that appear on her albums since the contrast is usually great). Liz does make a few stumbles here and there, and a couple of the songs seem more like half-finished musings than completed works. The thing is, where her music or lyrics sometimes fails her, Liz's conviction generally carries her through. You can tell that this is music that comes from her heart, and that can't be denied. It's a strength that has carried over onto her other recordings as well; you can find in all of her work. These tapes really are an essential for any Liz fan, as they really do allow one to see just how much she has grown as a writer and musician. The tapes circulated fairly widely intially, so it's no surprise just how widespread they are among her fans now. It's quite easy to get ahold of copies, with fans happily dubbing copies for one another -- the same spirit in which they originally circulated. Five of the original Girlysound tracks have seen official release on the _Juvenilia_ EP (essentially a CD single for "Jealousy" from _Whip-Smart_) but unfortunately, the songs selected were among the weaker efforts on these tapes, with the exception of "Easy," which is one of the true highlights of Girlysound. It's unfortunate, but downright embarrassing efforts such as "California" were included in place of excellent songs like "If I Ever Pay You Back" or "Sometimes A Dream," which rank among Liz's finest. >I'm very glad you have posted, Jase, BTW....Liz Phair will make you like it, >and Jase will make you like Liz Phair!..... Well, I do try my best. ;) Seriously, though, Liz does have a lot to say and I really feel that she is the most significant new songwriter this decade. As an avid music fan, when I come across such a great talent, I do wear my heart on my sleeve and try to inspire as many others to check out what has impressed me so greatly. Part of why I posted the lyrics to some of the other songs on _Exile in Guyville_ a few days ago was because I didn't want anyone to judge Liz solely on the merits of "Flower" and potentially be turned off. That's just one side to a multifaceted talent, and just one song out of dozens. I hope that maybe a few people will be inspired to give Liz's music a try after all of this discussion. She really does have a lot to offer, and no one single song could possibly sum up her vast talents (as Rachel pointed out in an earlier post, much like the very person this list honors). So, check her out if you're so inclined -- in one of the songs from her upcoming album, Liz proclaims, "I can be a complicated communicator," and while it's true, that's part of what makes her so special. Jase NP: Liz Phair, _The Girlysound Demos_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:17:54 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: TI / time signatures and the Joni Guitar Shuffle Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. - --- start of message ---- From: Susan McNamara >I love this song, and coincidentally I've been working out my own version >of it because the time signature she plays it in is so difficult. The >woman is a genius, have I said that before? > >So, Howard Wright, what time signature is Joni playing this song in? I >think I've sped it up to 6/8. There was a discussion of rhythms/time signatures a while back I think. All of Joni's great guitar shuffles (TI, Cherokee Louise, Crazy Cries of Love, Harlem in Havana etc) can be seen as being either 6/8 or 12/8. The way I break it down is: there is a basic, slow, even beat of 4. (In "Crazy cries", think of no PAPer thin WALLS no FOLKS aBOVE - these are the 4 strong beats) Then, for each slow beat, count three faster triplet beats (Imagine repeating "paper thin paper thin paper thin paper thin" - it's like 123 223 323 423). This is the basic shuffle rhythm. You can see the songs as having just two strong beats per bar (this would be 6/8) or 4 (12/8) - it doesn't make a big difference, you just end up with twice/half as many bars, but the effect is the same. I usually think in terms of a slow beat of four, with triplet beats on each of the 1-2-3-4, which makes it 12/8. Of course, the basic rhythm is only the starting point - what Joni does is to alternate bass and treble string strokes, throw in some guitar "percussion", use accents etc to spice up the basic rhythm, and create something awesome, like TI, Harlem etc ... (They ain't *never* gonna know where ONE is !!!) Howard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:09:11 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: Liz, the mudda, and Laura (kinda long) Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. - --- start of message ---- At 08:44 AM 6/23/98 +0100, Linda Brady wrote: >expresses herself. And that word "morality" is quite a dangerous word to >apply to any artistic endeavor. I think it should be left out of any >argument altogether. Hi Linda, In terms of using the word "morality", I was referring to Al Date's quote: >At 04:56 PM 6/22/98 -0700, Al wrote: >>It is now in the process of liberating women from the >>oppressive moral expectations of THEIR OWN MOTHERS. And Linda, I have to admit, I am now intrigued by all the support here for Liz Phair by my fellow Joni Mitchellidians, who tend to have exquisitie taste in music..... I will have to give her music a listen to! - ------------------------------------------------- Marilune wrote: >yeah, what's up with that? I've been struggling with my parents over this for >a while. mostly it's my father who opresses me. He tells me I can't do things >"because he says so". I don't care what you say dad, I'm old enough to take >care of myself and I don't want your BS anymore. I'm not 5. mariana, As a teen, I too felt the same way about my father. He's still over protective! When he heard that I was hosting a Jonifest at my home, he did everything he could to talk me out of it. I still love proving him wrong! Julie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:33:03 EDT From: DKasc13293@aol.com Subject: Visualize, visualize Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. - --- start of message ---- Fabulous morning reading on the Homepage folks Recapping Wally's conversation with Joni! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:38:44 +0100 From: catman Subject: NJC:UK Age of Consent. Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. - --- start of message ---- Last night Parliament voted by a majority of 207 to lower the age of censent for gay sex to 16 yrs-the same as str8 sex. There is still a way to go before we get equal protection in law, along with legal marriage and pension rights, but it is a start. colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:38:27 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Liz Phair Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. - --- start of message ---- Heather wrote: > >Women's liberation has long-since succeeded in liberating women from > >the dominance of men, at least in the democratic West. It has, > >in fact, given women 100% control of human reproduction, which > >is unprecedented in human history. I know Heather didn't write the above- Don't know who did. I think it is in inaccurate. maybe women do have more control over whether or not they get pregnant or stay pregnant. However, MEN still hold the power. Men get paid more at work , still, and they also dominate politics and the way we live. Womens Liberation has awfully long way to go.colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:40:19 -0500 From: "Mark Domyancich" Subject: Lost Verse of MATW Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. - --- start of message ---- Hi everyone! It takes cheerful resignation Heart and humility That's all it takes A cheerful person told me Nobody's harder on me than me How could they be And, nobody's harder on you than you Is this verse from Moon at the Window sung on WTRF? I've only heard this song on the tape trees and what sounds like a studio recorded version with guitar. Was this song originally on the guitar? And why haven't I heard Joni sing this in the tape trees? BTW, call me a dork, but I laminated the cover to my Complete Poems and Lyrics book! Avoiding the flying tomatoes, _________________________________________ Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net "Shadows have the saddest things to say." _________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:39:44 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Liz Phair Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. - --- start of message ---- Heather wrote: > At 06:14 PM 6/22/98 -0700, you wrote: > > > >Well all I can say is that as a man I certainly thank the Maker that > >nobody can question *my* right to burp and fart and use foul language > > >whenever & wherever I please! And I just *know* you women are living > > >for the day when you can have those rights too! Now, come on, > Ladies! > >Admit it! You're envious! Just like you're so envious of that other > > >thing that men have that you don't, right?? > > > WELL MARK! Get your tounge out of your cheek and go to this website! > I've had my say! According to the member of monty Python that died from liver cancer, graham sombody, one of the greatest pleasures in life is to fart in bed and stick your head under the covers. colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 05:47:11 -0700 (PDT) From: joe horne Subject: real music and real media creations Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. - --- start of message ---- Someone mentioned Alanis Morisette, I think comparing her to Liz Phair. Careful! Alanis is the equivolent of a Spice Chick. Both Spice Clones and AM are media creations. Their careers are built on hype and sensationalism. This is not to say Liz Phair rules the world. SHe doesn't. However, her songs are real and they say something about the human condition. AM speaks in record sales and concert revenue. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:54:47 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Welcome joni Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. - --- start of message ---- why the address change? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 06:23:05 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: The latest Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. - --- start of message ---- The latest report from Jim... I'll be spending some time with Wally on Saturday afternoon - Leslie > >Visualize, vizualize ... > >Wally started eating again yesterday. To start off, the nurse brought up a few >glasses of fruit juice. After she left the room, he said what he really wanted >was something like some kind of creamed soup; at that moment, the nurse came >back in with a complete lunch tray. "Well, I didn't order a lunch tray for >you," she said, "but for some reason they brought it up anyway. So here it is >if you want it." On the tray: a cup of cream of mushroom soup! That brought a >chuckle. > >Just after he got done eating, the phone rang. Still in visualization mode, >Wally said "Ah, that must be Joni" as he picked up the phone. And it was! > >Joni had just returned to LA after taking a short post-tour breather -- >looking through a large stack of paper that had accumulated while she was >gone, she'd found a memo from her manager telling her that Wally was in the >hospital (Wally had advised Joni's management that he was going to be out of >action for a while, and they apparently forwarded the contact information >directly to her). The memo didn't elaborate on the reason for the >hospitalization. > >Needless to say, Joni was very sorry and concerned when she found out what was >wrong. She voiced her distress about the prevalance of cancer, about how it's >"in the air and in the food and everywhere," and told Wally about a few >related experiences she's had. One acquaintance had colon problems and treated >them by taking natural therapies like slippery elm bark, and a certain kind of >mushrooms (I've forgotten the name) that you would size up before you ate them >-- if the mushrooms looked like angels, they were good to eat, but you'd avoid >them if they looked like devils. > >Wally recalled that her kahuna (that's Hawaiian for medicine man or woman, >I've learned) had battled colon cancer. Joni wondered where a kahuna would go >when they get sick -- her kahuna unfortunately wasn't able to cure herself. > >They talked about healing energies, too. Joni, as most of you probably know, >had polio as a child, and learned the power of "tone" at a young age. The tone >that you put behind what you say can be even more important than the words >you're saying, she told him, as she recalled her early experiences with that >dynamic. ("I'm not going to be a cripple!!") They also talked about energy >centers at different locations in the body, what I know as chakras -- Joni >said that she often uses the 6th chakra (or "third eye," located in the >forehead) in her work. Wally had me tell Joni about "body enneagrams," a >series of movements I've learned that identify one's dominant chakra (everyone >has one principal chakra that tends to be more open than the others) and helps >to open and balance the others. Wally and I are both "5's" in enneagramspeak, >meaning our dominant chakra is the 6th or crown chakra at the top of the head >(it governs comprehension and understanding). > >Wally told Joni about how the JMHP project has provided healing energy for >him, how it got him through his first bout with cancer and helped him keep >going; she agreed that it's a good thing to have somewhere to direct your >energy. He was thrilled to hear that Joni had visited the site with Kilauren >and her boyfriend Teddie just after Laura Nyro died last year. She said she >read an amusing exchange in the Cafe section (the JMHP's discussion area, >which Wally later released to Les and is now the JMDL) about "who was more >oriental -- Joni or Laura Nyro;" Wally voiced his opinions about the value of >discussion lists and the opportunity they give fans to share experiences, >correct misconceptions, and explore feelings about late-breaking news. > >They also talked about the tour; Wally told Joni that he had a great time. He >also told her that he'd known about the cancer recurrance before the tour >started, but didn't bring it up because he was afraid somebody would become >concerned and wouldn't want him to go. He also mentioned how visits to the >JMHP increased dramatically during the tour (48,000 visits as opposed to >36,000 visits the previous month), which to him proved that "interest really >increases when you're out there." > >"You do get attention out in the limelight," Joni agreed. She asked if Wally >had heard that she'd picked up a bug at the Gorge and wasn't feeling well for >much of the tour; he remembered when she mentioned it during the performance. >He learned that Joni also developed an allergy to some kind of glue on the >tour bus, which, together with the "Gorge bug," left her feeling a bit dazed >and "on automatic" at times. As far as Wally was concerned, it didn't affect >her performance at all. He told her that if anything, the bug gave her voice >even more depth and served to emphasize her poetry. > >The conversation turned to comparing notes on reactions they had heard to the >tour. Wally told Joni about many positive remarks that had been made by Dylan >and Morrison fans who were impressed with Joni's unique guitar sound (she used >twelve tunings on the tour), and they spent a few moments puzzling over some >of the odd comments made by reviewers. "Ignore 'em, they don't know what >they're talking about," Wally said. At one point, Joni wondered if a Bay Area >reviewer who had made some "senselessly negative remarks" (my words, not >Joni's) was the same one who panned Carroll O'Connor's recent play, prompting >him to quit the business; she sensed a sameness in the bitter shades of the >writing. > >(This reviewer, I remember, is the yutz who had never thought of Bob Dylan as >anything other than Jakob Dylan's father up until the night of the San Jose >concert -- as I said in my Internet Community review of the second LA concert >at Pauley Pavillion, "Now, there's somebody with a far-reaching sense of >perspective -- reviewing concerts for a major metropolitan newspaper! Get a >clue!") > >As Joni and Wally talked about the taping sessions May 29/30, she mentioned >rumors that she was going to play a lot of oldies had somehow started to >circulate. She's sorry that so many people just want her to concentrate on >recycling her old material; Wally agreed and told her that he wished more >people were interested in looking at music in a "historical" way, watching >artists grow and mature long term instead of clamoring for oldies all the time >or just hopping from one "flavor of the month" to the next. > >Joni has seen the raw footage of the two taping sessions and thinks there are >enough magical moments in the tapes to make up a really good set (I can't >wait). The Eagle Rock Productions footage apparently makes the background >black behind her -- she expects that some Super 8 footage taken by Don Freed >will be used as well, because it shows the audience comfortably draped over >couches in the set she designed. She originally expected to direct as well, >but it now looks like she'll come in later to make the changes she wants >before the final version is released. > >She said that she had a harder time connecting at the Friday night taping >session due to an overflow of industry types, but Wally said that he didn't >think there was any noticeable effect -- he thought Joni looked great during >the tapings and told her so, prompting a short exchange about "Hollywood Hair" >and "Hollywood Makeup." Paul Starr, who did her makeup for the show, is an >"artist who just picked faces to paint," she said. She did look wonderful, if >I do say so myself -- we're all in for a real treat later this year (probably >around October). > >By now, they had been talking for almost an hour and a half and Wally was >starting to worry about taking up too much of her time (although she >apparently didn't mind hanging with him on the phone for a while longer). >Before they hung up, they talked about Taming the Tiger for a while; Wally >mentioned that he thought "Harlem in Havana" would have fit nicely on Don >Juan's Reckless Daughter. The song is a childhood recollection of a carnival >she went to -- she told Wally that songs that come to her when she's thinking >about her teenaged years always end up as shuffles (think "Cherokee Louise" >and "Ray's Dad's Cadillac'). She'll most likely just sing if she does "Harlem >in Havana" live, as it's a difficult song to sing and play at the same time. > >After making some preliminary plans for a pre-Taming the Tiger interview (once >Wally's up to it), the conversation ended with a few recuperation >recommendations from Dr. Mitchell: "Watch some comedies, like Nick at Nite or >comedy movies -- laughter is a healing thing." > >"Well, I am kind of a drama queen, but OK, I'll take your advice. Bye, Joni." > >Well, well! That sure perked him up! > >I brought Wally home (to my place, that is) around noon today. He's in my >living room watching TV as I type (Judge Judy can be a great source of healing >laughter). More on how he's doing tomorrow. > >Remember: visualize, visualize ... > > Leslie Mixon stevem@cruzio.com http://www.cruzio.com/~stevem ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 06:36:22 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: The Dancin' Close and Slow thread Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. - --- start of message ---- What's your favorite Joni MItchell song to slow dance to? Mine: "Two Grey Rooms." > -Julie Z. Webb, Don Juan's Fertile Daughter > I've got to go with "Ray's Dad's Cadillac", though I've also been known to cut a rug to "The Chinese Cafe" and "Blue Hotel Room" ... hope this repeat message gets through to the new address (didn't see the change until later on in the 67-message list. Mia culpa!) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 06:37:59 PDT From: "David Packer" Subject: Tribute album... Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. - --- start of message ---- Hey guys, A quick question... I've heard that a Joni Mitchell tribute album is going to be released, with Janet Jackson singing a track on it (Beat Of Black Wings, actually). Anyway, does anyone know when this album is being released??? Cheers, David. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:43:54 EDT From: Denisongs@aol.com Subject: Re: She Called! Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. - --- start of message ---- In a message dated 98-06-22 19:32:21 EDT, you write: << i was supposed to call her last night and totally forgot. she didn't happen to leave her number with you did she? cause i can't find WHERE i left it. really wally. post me privately (we wouldn't want the riff raff on this list to get ahold of that number, for chrissakes!!) and leave me the number. i just hate the thought of her sitting by that phone... >> Well, I have had a long day already and it isn't even 10:00. This post made me laugh out loud! Thank you !...........Denise : ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 06:56:10 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Alanis and other pretenders Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. - --- start of message ---- Al writes ... >>Alanis and Liz Phair dare to go where not even Joni Mitchell >>>dared. > Oh brother! To even mention the whiny, pop-culture pseudo-victimization that Alanis embodies and the SIQUOMB in the same breath has got to be some sort of crime. Or a sin at least. Does anybody else get sick to death of these little-black-dress, jagged- little-pill wannabes passing out lyrical blame like campaign promises and accepting no personal responsibility? How to describe Alanis: Just think of Joni and remove all reason and accountability ... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:58:47 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Is shock art? NJC Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. - --- start of message ---- Could post some Joni lyrics here. >Know what I mean? > >Robert Glenn Plotner Hi Robert! Enjoyed your post and I think these Joni lines would apply: Every bristling shaft of pride Church or nation Team or tribe Every notion we subscribe to Is just a borderline. Good or bad, we think we know; As if thinking makes things so! All convictions grow along the borderline. I think it's very hard to judge what an artist feels is their inner voice and what is just bluff for attention. Usually time deals with the wheat and the chaff, but if someone creates something original out of their experience and another is changed by it, it's art (imho). My first smoe post! Sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ < "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:13:15 -0700 From: MTDS Subject: Re: Alanis and other pretenders Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. - --- start of message ---- At 06:56 AM 06/23/98 PDT, Don Rowe wrote: >Oh brother! To even mention the whiny, pop-culture pseudo-victimization >that Alanis embodies and the SIQUOMB in the same breath has got to be >some sort of crime. Or a sin at least. Does anybody else get sick to >death of these little-black-dress, jagged- little-pill wannabes passing >out lyrical blame like campaign promises and accepting no personal >responsibility? > >How to describe Alanis: > >Just think of Joni and remove all reason and accountability ... > Let us not forget Joni was once described as such ... :) Only time will tell the truth. Michelle =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= SunDown Lady's Ilse of Tranquility Appearing in the Cruise Lounge the Funk Maestro ! Chat Room is now OPEN http://www.sundownlady.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:21:22 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: [Fwd: Re: Joni housewares] Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. - --- start of message ---- Message-ID: <358FB7B1.2A71@mpimedia.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:12:01 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Reply-To: howard@mpimedia.com Organization: mpi media group X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: joni@listbox.com, Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: RE: Joni housewares Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Subject: joni throw pillows & other rambles well my dear friend jimmy (hi jimmy- lurking somewhere on digest) brought me a taming the tiger t-shirt all the way here to chicago from L.A. I was thrilled! then i tried it on- it was a medium- and though i'm slim, it was uncomfortably tight- so i'm making it into a pillow! painting on front- logo on back. starting my own line of joni housewares...... the last time I saw richard dishwasher and coffee perculator set.... yellow checkers for the kitchen climbing ivy for the bath... marketing a line of joni mitchell paints, in colors like motel pink scarlett conquering motelroom blue cellophane black taxi yellow turbulent indigo brash fields butterscotch sunshine roses blue oily tafetta pastel walls brown (for dreary decorator) spring is born green what else? doug DON'T FORGET Exxon Blue and Radiation Rose ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:34:03 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Top Five of Hejira Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. - --- start of message ---- From: "Eric W Taylor" Subject: Hejira's Strange Boy Medric Faulkner wrote: >Hejira for me was one that had to sink in for a while. >It was probably my least favorite selection on my otherwise >favorite album for twenty years. Now it is the first one I go for >when I feel a need for the earlier stuff. I have listened to Hejira more than any album in my life and have always considered Blue Motel Room my least-liked Joni tune. But then last week I cranked it for the millionth time only to discover what a brilliant song it truly is! Perhaps the most overlooked song on Hejira is Strange Boy. Nobody ever talks about this gem. Every time I hear "We got high on travel / and we got drunk on alcohol / and on love, the strongest poison and medicine of all" I am overwhelmed by the Lady's pure genius. E.T. ABSOLUTELY! "What a strange, strange boy!" "A thousand glass eyes were staring in a cellar full of antique dolls, I found a grand piano . . . " I have always thought that there are five major songs on Hejira: Coyote, Strange Boy, Song for Sharon, Hejira, and Refuge of the Road. After seeing JM in LA, Amelia rose to those ranks. I have never liked Black Crow or Blue Motel Room. I was thrilled when CDs could be programmed and I could skip those two songs. I got around them somehow on the vinyl but I don't remember how . . . I was never thrilled with Furry Gets the Blues either. Give me a big confessional Joni anthem any day. Howard Motyl Producer, MPI Teleproductions http://www.mpimedia.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 06:58:57 -0700 From: steve@psitech.com (Steve Dulson) Subject: (NJC) Hair Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. - --- start of message ---- >This means you stripped, right? >Dulson disrobed and joined the chorus...wow... Scary thought, huh? Well, I *hate* to disappoint anyone, but.... the cast disrobed at the end of the first half (were they singing "The Flesh Failures/Let The Sunshine In"?), and at the end of the *second* half invited the audience up to dance with them. Right, Kakki? It was, well, groovy! You know, we really *were* going to change the world...guess we never quite got around to it... ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:57:39 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: HAIR (NJC) Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. - --- start of message ---- Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:50:27 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro "Tell him Angela and I don't want the two dollars back, just him." Jerry Kakki wrote: > "Good morning starshine, the earth says hello, you twinkle up above, we twinkle > below" (or something like that). I still love that song. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:58:46 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: The Dancin' Close and Slow thread Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. - --- start of message ---- From: "Don Rowe" Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 06:26:24 PDT Don Juan's Fertile Daughter writes -- >What's your favorite Joni MItchell song to slow dance to? Mine: "Two Grey Rooms." > I've got to go with "Ray's Dad's Cadillac" ... though I've also been known to cut a rug to "The Chinese Cafe" and "Blue Hotel Room" ... quite a selection, huh? DRowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:58:12 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: HAIR (NJC) Post JMDL mail to . Please update your address books. - --- start of message ---- Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:54:47 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Mark or Travis wrote: > . So at least I got to hear all those nasty words my mother > tried so hard to protect me from! I played the album at my house day and night and my mother never really listened to the words. One day she did hear something (probably, "Masturbation can be fuuuuuuunnnn.") and she was shocked. She said These are those little ditties you've been singing all these times??? Yes, Mother.And yes, Steve, those were the days. Thank God I didn't miss 'em. Jerry ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #213 ************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?