From: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org (jinglejangle-digest) To: jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Subject: jinglejangle-digest V7 #71 Reply-To: jinglejangle@smoe.org Sender: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jinglejangle-digest Friday, May 7 2004 Volume 07 : Number 071 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [MLL] Ah...Courtnee [Bopst@aol.com] [MLL] in certain respects [courtney] ["Jill Falzoi" ] [MLL] Re: jinglejangle-digest V7 #70 [MojoShivers@aol.com] Re: [MLL] in certain respects [courtney] ["Cinnamon Brunmier" Subject: [MLL] in certain respects [courtney] I practice Buddhism, too. And Yoga. But I am a "bad Buddhist" (and Yogi) because I slip up on the first tenet -- "harm no one or no living thing" -- when I happen to be clapping my hands and mosquitos get trapped in-between. Ok, I admit it; I must kill mosquitos. I don't merely trap them under a glass and a paper plate and shoo them out the open window. Just can't get past this character flaw. I avoid clapping anything else living between my hands, however. About Courtney, I can't listen to her music because she is a cruel, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing person. She is also an ill person, but her illness is not also her cruelness-- she is cruel for the fun of it, to hurt people on purpose, she gets gratification from hurting people, from the suffering (or imagined suffering) of others. She strikes people (and anyone connected with them) when they are down, at their most vulnerable, and she plays really dirty. For what??? This amuses her? This is entertaining? I want to distance myself from people who amuse themselves and avenge themselves in such cruel ways. She got him. Why the follow up? Doesn't she know the one he left is suffering enough without her antics? That's cruelty -- rubbing it in. It is hard for me to listen to someone sing, which is also a vulnerable, heartfull act, when I know the kinds of cruel things they have done and the kind of self-aggrandizing they engage in, and how they seek selfish gain by stomping on others. I can't listen -- I just can't; I don't want to hear their heart, it makes me sick to be "let in" to that kind of energy flow. And I accept the risk that I am missing out on some "talent." But I cannot enjoy letting music into my own heart when it is laced for me with everything that a person I do not respect is. And that is what music is for me -- infused with the person singing/playing/delivering it. Music has soul, story, emotion, people, energy. I wish I could just listen to music for the music, but I can't. I'll never be a Buddhist now. It's not that I have to like the musician or love their life, or anything. It's just if they are cruel in continuous ways like Courtney has acted out her cruelty toward Mary Lou -- I refuse to support them. I won't buy her records, listen to her music, watch her steal another downtown scene (and be amused?), or enable her "success"/downfall in any way. This is the first time I've talked about Courntey, actually. I am glad that she's led so many to Mary Lou. I first "discovered" Mary Lou through a neighbor's answering machine, part of a song taped there. I feel no conflict in my heart when I hear Mary Lou sing. Just warmth. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 21:59:53 EDT From: MojoShivers@aol.com Subject: [MLL] Re: jinglejangle-digest V7 #70 It's amazing how many other Mary Lou fans got turned onto her because of Courtney. It's true what they say about publicity--any publicity is good publicity. Sometimes it makes me wonder just how many Mary Lou fans were turned onto her because of Courtney. Personally, I had never heard of the whole Courtney Love/Mary Lou Lord brouhaha before I purchase Mary's self-title EP in '96. It's strange but the whole reason I wanted to find out more about this incredible singer was because of the Saturday Morning Greatest Hits album she did around the same time. I've always been a fan of Sugar, Sugar by the Archies as a nostalgic piece that I remember my parents playing on the old 8-track while I was growing up. And when I heard Mary's version of it I thought it was the best thing since peanut butter (big fan of that too). It was enough to make me check out the Virgin Megastore in Burbank that same week to see if Mary Lou had put out any solo efforts. That's when I found the little black album with the big pink heart on the cover and I've been a fan of Mary Lou ever since. In fact, the whole reason I am writing this is that I only found out about the whole Courtney Love debacle years afterwards, from reading the websites, and frankly it appalled me. I think Mary is way more talented than that woman and just wanted to show that Mary had enough talent for this fan to single her out among 18-20 artists on a compilation album to purchase an album. I hadn't heard any of the rumors or the controversy; I just heard one song on an album a friend had let me borrow and Mary's talent just shone through. That she happens to be a decent human being in "real" life makes listening to her all the more enjoyable. - --Patrick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 20:07:41 -0700 From: "Cinnamon Brunmier" Subject: Re: [MLL] in certain respects [courtney] I was inspired to write about my opinions on art. I don't much care whether the person who makes the music is a wonderful person or a horrible person. It's the art that counts for me, not the person behind it. If the person is really awful, I may never go see them live. But it doesn't change how I feel about their record or their art. Some of the greatest painters, writers and musicians have been complete assholes. And I'm fine with that. I don't need them to be pillars of society or perfect neighbors. In fact, sometimes their art is so incredible BECAUSE they are always in such turmoil and drama and squalor. That said, when I actually know the person making it or know the person making it is good-hearted, I probably inject other feelings on top of the art. Good feelings. nice feelings. All of this aside, I just don't like Ms. Love's music at all. It doesn't thrill me or change my life or make me question anything (other than why she continues to have a record deal). So whether she is a pathetic shrew or not...there's just about a million other people I'd rather listen to. Mary Lou, for example. Who does make amazing music AND is a wonderful person to boot. A side note about Buddhism: My understanding of Buddhism from my own practice is that there is no bad or good, there just IS. Everything is part of everything else (which is why you shouldn't kill -- not because killing is BAD. But because since everything this part of everything else, you are changing the all-important balance when you take away a life. Also because you only have the right over your own domain and no other). I'm not defending Ms. Love, her actions or her hatred. I think she's someone with a lot of trouble in her soul and again, someone whose music just does nothing for me. But I'm not throwing out my Iggy Pop records just because he was an asshole and an addict for a lot of years. XoX--Cin ----- Original Message ----- From: Jill Falzoi To: jinglejangle@smoe.org Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 6:33 PM Subject: [MLL] in certain respects [courtney] I practice Buddhism, too. And Yoga. But I am a "bad Buddhist" (and Yogi) because I slip up on the first tenet -- "harm no one or no living thing" -- when I happen to be clapping my hands and mosquitos get trapped in-between. Ok, I admit it; I must kill mosquitos. I don't merely trap them under a glass and a paper plate and shoo them out the open window. Just can't get past this character flaw. I avoid clapping anything else living between my hands, however. About Courtney, I can't listen to her music because she is a cruel, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing person. She is also an ill person, but her illness is not also her cruelness-- she is cruel for the fun of it, to hurt people on purpose, she gets gratification from hurting people, from the suffering (or imagined suffering) of others. She strikes people (and anyone connected with them) when they are down, at their most vulnerable, and she plays really dirty. For what??? This amuses her? This is entertaining? I want to distance myself from people who amuse themselves and avenge themselves in such cruel ways. She got him. Why the follow up? Doesn't she know the one he left is suffering enough without her antics? That's cruelty -- rubbing it in. It is hard for me to listen to someone sing, which is also a vulnerable, heartfull act, when I know the kinds of cruel things they have done and the kind of self-aggrandizing they engage in, and how they seek selfish gain by stomping on others. I can't listen -- I just can't; I don't want to hear their heart, it makes me sick to be "let in" to that kind of energy flow. And I accept the risk that I am missing out on some "talent." But I cannot enjoy letting music into my own heart when it is laced for me with everything that a person I do not respect is. And that is what music is for me -- infused with the person singing/playing/delivering it. Music has soul, story, emotion, people, energy. I wish I could just listen to music for the music, but I can't. I'll never be a Buddhist now. It's not that I have to like the musician or love their life, or anything. It's just if they are cruel in continuous ways like Courtney has acted out her cruelty toward Mary Lou -- I refuse to support them. I won't buy her records, listen to her music, watch her steal another downtown scene (and be amused?), or enable her "success"/downfall in any way. This is the first time I've talked about Courntey, actually. I am glad that she's led so many to Mary Lou. I first "discovered" Mary Lou through a neighbor's answering machine, part of a song taped there. I feel no conflict in my heart when I hear Mary Lou sing. Just warmth. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 03:08:32 EDT From: Bopst@aol.com Subject: [MLL] Hello Boston Hey guys ...just a reminder to those of you in or around Boston that I'll be at TT The Bear's tonight (Friday)...Also on the bill are Emergency Music, the M's (from Chicago) and The Cosmic Roughriders (from Scotland)...This will be my last show in the Boston area for a while...I'll be with a band and we have some awesome new songs for your ears pleasure!!! We're looking foreward to an incredible night ....There will be lots of people at this show, as this is also a launch party for mine and Kevin's new management company (he now manages Emergency Music) called "Jittery Jack Management".... Kevin's also thinking about managing a gal from Chicago called Denise Hradecky...You guys should check out her web site (mp3's) and please tell us what you think of her stuff...We think she's pretty great...She reminds me so much of Elliott....She's a real sweetie too!!! Ok folks....If you're not busy tomorrow night PLEASE come to this show....I've been playing my ass off in the subway recently and it's gonna be good to play "whole songs" for people instead of getting interrupted by the trains!!!! You REALLY should see the Cosmic Rough Riders as well!! They're awesome...sound like Elliott singing for Teenage fan-club with a bit of Del Amitri and the Beach Boys tossed in for good measure!!!! Ok...Thanks a bajillion!!!! - -Mary Lou Just a funny side-note... Yesterday Kevin and I did a photo shoot for a very big magazine in the subway...I wore like a 3,000.00 dress, Chanell shoes, crazy jewelry etc...Hair , makeup, Kevin in like, Armani...So, we're dressed to the hilt on the subway platform with the guitar and an entourage for the shoot of about 14 people....Photographer, assistant, stylists...the works... after the thing was over I changed into my jeans and played in the same spot as the shoot...I got lots of confused looks from people on thier way back home...Oh, yea...we didn't get to keep the clothes or the jewelry.... ------------------------------ End of jinglejangle-digest V7 #71 *********************************