From: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org (jinglejangle-digest) To: jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Subject: jinglejangle-digest V7 #70 Reply-To: jinglejangle@smoe.org Sender: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jinglejangle-digest Thursday, May 6 2004 Volume 07 : Number 070 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [MLL] Courtney Love [Thomas Mckelvy ] Re: [MLL] From the mouths of babes.... [Donna Taylor ] RE: [MLL] Courtney Love ["Dino Dimuro" ] Re: [MLL] Courtney Love [Snsetblaze@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 01:43:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Thomas Mckelvy Subject: [MLL] Courtney Love Hey Everyone, Sorry to bring up this topic, but actually it is in response to all the discussion that has been going on about Courtney on this list lately. Before I start (and maybe this will piss some of you off and I'm sorry) I'd like to say that I first heard about Mary Lou from an article that Courtney Love wrote (in 1998) called "Bad Like Me". In that article she claimed that Mary Lou was insane and cut off a kitty's head and stuck a syringe in its' cornea and put it on her doorstep. That was enough to intrigue me. I had wondered to myself who is this Mary Lou Lord and why would she ever cut off a kitty's head? So the next day I went to the record store and looked in the Mary Lou Lord section. I bought "Got No Shadow", "Martian Saints", and the self titled EP. After listening to all 3 albums it was clear to me that Mary Lou would never cut off a kitty's head, but furthermore it was clear to me that Mary Lou is an amazing musician!! I fell in love with her music instantly. At the time (1998) I was still very trapped in my highschool grunge phase of music. Mary Lou was refreshing and totally out of the norm of my genre of Nirvana, Hole, Bikini Kill, L7, 7 Year Bitch, and Pixies phase of likes. Mary Lou brought me to my true love "folk inspired rock/alternative". I even now write folk songs with my friend Jamie who sounds and plays a lot like Mary Lou. I play all the percussion. Aside from all that I still have a liking for Courtney despite all her flaws and negative media portrayals. There is something to be said for what she did for women in rock and for the music she has made. Without a doubt "Live Through This" was and still is an amazing album, "Celebrity Skin" was good and there are even good things about "America's Sweetheart". I can't help but feel compassion and empathy for her situation at this point. It is obvious that Frances Bean loves her and needs her Mommy and that touches me! I am a buddhist at heart so despite all the negative images Courtney portrays I can't help but feel sorry for her and hope she pulls through all of this. If not for herself hopefully for her baby Frances. So in closing Courtney Love was my favorite when I was 17 and in my adolescence but now at 26 Mary Lou Lord touches me in a way that Courtney could never touch, although I do still listen to her now and again and feel reminiscent of my earlier crazier days which is always fun! I guess the point of me writing this email is to say, yeah it's easy to critisize someone in the limelight who is definitely not in the norm, but let's not underestimate the power of compassion and empathy. I think we owe it to Frances Bean to not be so mean!! Thomas Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 08:50:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Donna Taylor Subject: Re: [MLL] From the mouths of babes.... Wow - even to this day 9 year olds can recognize what Ms. Love is all about! Thanks for your story, Randy! The story I remember hearing/reading (someone please correct me if I am wrong) when Kurt & Mary Lou were dating, Kurt had told his friends in Olympia that he was going to marry Mary Lou. Mary Lou was busking in Olympia alot back then (Kill Rock Stars label is in Olympia). Courtney finds out about this then shows up at his doorstep with a present of a heart shaped box apparently containing black tar heroin. Her glowing personality wasn't enough to attract anyone - she needed something way more powerful to steal him away. I have a copy of Heart Shaped Box from Outcesticide that was recorded with alternate lyrics that say "I've been locked inside your heart shaped coffin for two weeks" All Apologies he sings "married.....buried" It doesn't take Freud to figure out what he means by this. I'm sure he knew full well he was tripping down death's doorway being with her and doing heroin. But why he was attracted to someone who represented everything he stood against, has always amazed me. The Lexus purchase is the perfect example. She bought it - HE made her take it back. "She has Four Seasons and Hiatt's and I got a day break view from a Greyhound" Mary Lou was much more like Kurt - unpretentious, tenderhearted, shy and very talented - everything Courtney Love will never be. I am convinced had he ended up with Mary Lou he'd still be with us - happy and alive. But then Mary Lou wouldn't have Kevin and Annabelle. So Mary Lou's part of the story has a happy ending. And she still is unpretentious, tenderhearted, shy and very talented! ~ Donna "Hansen, Randy" wrote: Funny story that I thought you would all enjoy... I was killing time in the Virgin Megastore in Burbank, CA, before my daughter arrived at the airport. While browsing through the discount bin, I heard a 9-ish girl behind me say, "But dad, I don't understand why he ever married her. She's so mean and ugly and full of drugs and stuff. Courtney Love is just gross." Her father replied with a much straighter face than could've mustered up, "Well honey, (big sigh) you just can't tell what some people can see in another." - -Randini Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 10:33:21 -0700 From: "Solomon, Aidan" Subject: [MLL] what got me - - Courtney actually compares herself to the ranks of Bob Dylan as an artist in this month's Rolling Stone article. I just about fell out of my chair. I'd compare her to a trailer park manager myself, and a bad one at that. ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of IMSTP.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:00:26 -0700 From: "Dino Dimuro" Subject: RE: [MLL] Courtney Love Tom, Your points are well-taken. I would never gloat about someone else's misfortune. The article in Rolling Stone (and all the other news reports) makes me sad about Courtney's condition more than anything else. But what does piss me off is someone who wastes money (or anything else, for that matter.) I bought Marilyn Manson's book and found it quite intelligently written, but there are sections where he talks about hanging around a recording studio for days on end, without inspiration, doing drugs and being an asshole... anything but recording. For independent musicians who have to stretch a buck, this is sickening. For my CD Train Going Nowhere I recorded all my live drum tracks in six hours, and I have to say they sound pretty good. Would I have liked more time? Of course! But that was all I could afford. With all the time Manson wasted, I (and I'm sure most independent musicians) could have recorded an entire freakin' CD. So when I hear Courtney crying about being broke, I really have to wonder where all the money went considering her income stream: the Nirvana catalogue, related Kurt items, the Hole catalogue, movie roles... if you waste that kind of wealth, the call of your karmic (and financial) debt will be swift. You also have to remember, Courtney went out of her way to fuck with Mary Lou. At one point she spammed Mary Lou's aol folder with posts like: "Hi, I'm Mary Lou Lord. Oh goody, another donut!" It's almost certain that it was Courtney who stole Mary Lou's aol password and posted a bogus confession in the Hole folder from Mary Lou about stalking Francis Bean. It was vicious and unnecessary. There was the night when Court chased a half-naked Mary Lou down Sunset Blvd. But like you say, I have Courtney's bile to thank for making me curious about Mary Lou, and I actually met her through the Hole folder. Given all of the above, I think we treat America's Sweetheart pretty well. Dino ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 15:03:12 -0400 From: Snsetblaze@aol.com Subject: Re: [MLL] Courtney Love She's broke because she spends it all on legal fees ... and drugs and alcohol. Just kidding. And Courtney's idea of broke (like most celebrities) is not the same as most of America's idea of broke. She's not going to be at the unemployment office looking for a job and won't be worried about where next meal is coming from or worried that she's going to be on the streets. I'm also one who got interested in Mary Lou after reading about the shenanigans years ago. I do like her music - even the new one - but she is crazy. I haven't read the article because I gave up reading Rolling Stone a couple of years ago. I got tired of the half-naked women actresses and musicians/singers on the cover without equal time for half-naked or fully naked men. Grin. Alycia ------------------------------ End of jinglejangle-digest V7 #70 *********************************