From: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org (jinglejangle-digest) To: jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Subject: jinglejangle-digest V7 #63 Reply-To: jinglejangle@smoe.org Sender: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jinglejangle-digest Wednesday, April 28 2004 Volume 07 : Number 063 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [MLL] Here's what I think: [Carsten Wohlfeld ] [MLL] Nanci Raygun [Donna Taylor ] [MLL] Kathleen Edwards ["Steve Gilmore" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:09:20 +0200 From: Carsten Wohlfeld Subject: Re: [MLL] Here's what I think: > From: "Jill Falzoi" > They only give her $400? > She gets the entrance fee, right? Please tell me she does. > Jill this is just an example and has NOTHING to do with mary lou & nanci raygun... it's usually a garantuee plus *some* money from the door after a certain number of people showed up and the promoter made back the money for the garantuee. however, quite often the garantuee money is all the artist will get. and believe me, $400 for a solo artist playing clubs is not as bad as it sounds. (and i'm not saying that mary lou or anybody does not DESERVE more, but the money to come from somewhere). you must consider that it costs money to put on a show in the first place - you need someone for the PA, staff for the bar, etc. etc. and there are other costs involved as well for catering, royalties etc. that will easily add up to twice the amount of the garantuee. so we're talking about $800 that the promoter will have to shell out before one single person has bought a ticket. at about $10 per person 80 people have to show up for the promoter to reach the break even. carsten - -- http://carstenwohlfeld.com http://carstenwohlfeld.de "what's wrong with wanting to be at home with your record collection?" ~ nick hornby ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:55:47 -0400 (EDT) From: mail@rachelkramerbussel.com Subject: Re: Fw: [MLL] Here's the letter I sent to the promoter: From: Xiao Jinhong To: jinglejangle@smoe.org Subject: Re: Fw: [MLL] Here's the letter I sent to the promoter: are there like a whole bunch of lawyers on this list?! heh. i'm amused. cos i'm a practising lawyer (albeit in Singapore). is there something about MLL that attracts lawyers? hey Mary Lou, if you ever want to tour South-East Asia or Australia, maybe you can stopover in Singapore and play a show here. I can hopefully put you up, even. cheers. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:44:16 EDT From: Bopst@aol.com Subject: Re: [MLL] Here's what I think: You're absolutely right, the club has overheads... However, such is the cost of doing business... One should never enter an agreement with anyone unless they are prepared to honor that agreement... As a musician whose done this for a long time, you don't know how many nights I've had a $400 guarantee and sold out the room, the club made way more profit than the band did, (not to mention that they made a fortune on liquor sales!!!). It's the nature of that business... You don't always win big, sometimes you lose some... But to attempt to weasel out of the guarantee and take advantage of the fact that a woman is on the road alone, figuring they're way less likely to show up and demand to play or be paid is a total scumbag move. It's funny because Mary Lou is a nice person and would never demand her payment... This has happened before making it all the more frustrating... Ironic, it's never happened when I've been with her and it never happened when she was on tour with the band. This particular venue is "woman operated" making it even worse... I can guarantee you that they wouldn't have pulled that shit with an all guy band... - --Kevin this is just an example and has NOTHING to do with mary lou & nanci raygun... it's usually a garantuee plus *some* money from the door after a certain number of people showed up and the promoter made back the money for the garantuee. however, quite often the garantuee money is all the artist will get. and believe me, $400 for a solo artist playing clubs is not as bad as it sounds. (and i'm not saying that mary lou or anybody does not DESERVE more, but the money to come from somewhere). you must consider that it costs money to put on a show in the first place - you need someone for the PA, staff for the bar, etc. etc. and there are other costs involved as well for catering, royalties etc. that will easily add up to twice the amount of the garantuee. so we're talking about $800 that the promoter will have to shell out before one single person has bought a ticket. at about $10 per person 80 people have to show up for the promoter to reach the break even. carsten ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:46:51 EDT From: Bopst@aol.com Subject: [MLL] and one more thing... Like I said in the letter I sent to the promoter... a dollar saved today could cost you thousands down the road... I spent about 6 hours last night e-mailing every band that is scheduled to play at that venue for the next 4 mos. Every booking agent, promoter, manager, record label and band that I could think of, advising them of what happened and encouraging them to not do business with that club. My guess is that several hundred people got the heads up on those guys and I hope their phone is ringing off the hook today with cancellations! - --Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 18:49:01 -0400 From: "Jill Falzoi" Subject: [MLL] possible venue idea Question: Has Mary Lou ever thought about performing at Joe's Pub in New York City? There is an admission price from $10 to $25 that the artist keeps, I believe. I am sure there is also a guarantee. With a two-drink (all over-priced) minimum for guests, and many people who make dinner reservations, the club (part of Off-Broadway's Public Theatre in the East Village) certainly makes money, so there is no pressure. There are many people who buy memberships who just like to witness all sorts of music, as well as fans who come to see their favorites. All ages in the audience (over 21.) I've seen Kim Cea, Carmen Consoli (I forgot to include her in my AMAZING must-be-seen/heard-list,) Maggie Moore, Kate Pierson, BETTY, Gail Ann Dorsey, and others. The talent ranges from those just starting out to those who've been at it for decades, from local to international, from folk to blues to opera to rock to experimental. Also some dance and theatre. The atmosphere is casual, intimate, nurturing. I've never seen a performer unmoved by their audience. It's a very supportive environment to premier new songs and works-in progress. You can also have sing-a-longs and (maybe because of the 2 drink minimum) people actually do sing -- they will do whatever you tell them to. You can get a taste of this venue at http://www.joespub.com/. If you're nervous about the less grimy warehouse-feeling set up, you can arrange to bill with a friend, someone you want to bring out, or someone you just feel you want to perform with. And just have fun together. I don't know of anyone who's had a bad experience at Joe's Pub. It's a very eclectic pub/club that treats their artists well, and invites them back again and again. The staff are friendly, helpful, polite and never disrespectful. Well, just an idea, looking toward the future. I am sure there is an easy way for you to find out how to arrange for booking. NOT that you need any suggestions. I just know this venue wouldn't treat you badly and I'd love to see you perform in venues that *appreciate* and *respect* you and that you would also find rewarding as an artist. It's a small place; most concerts sell out. Those that don't, are usually packed. Joe's Pub already has a name for itself. Thus, it can bring in who it wants to. And it seeks artists off the well-worn track. I imagine if only one audience member showed up, i.e.: in VA, Mary Lou would have performed for them, a full personalized set. Because they came to see her, she would play. I may be wrong, but unless the publicity girl gave her a fucked up time when she showed up, what I see in Mary Lou is more about sharing music from the heart. Her rages, too, are passionate. Music is a form for expressing and transforming and bringing the heart in touch with itself and with others, especially in touch with others. The "entertainment business" isn't very entertaining once you see the kind of back-stabbing and sliming that goes on. And realize who is in power and how they manipulate that power to use artists to gain more power and $$ for themselves. Artists' (and technitions) are the lowest on the totem pole; the most often taken advantage of, and the first to be dismissed. I sent Kevin's letter (about warning) to my performance studies list and it will reach other lists through this one. An excellent letter. So to the point. I admire that. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:01:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Donna Taylor Subject: [MLL] Nanci Raygun I am totally shocked and stunned by what happened at that venue. Obiviously the booking agent there doesn't know Mary Lou's musical influences.....she will soon. Huge mistake treating her the way she did. Anyway I had to say, I loved Kevin's letter to Ayndria and the letter to other artists. Mary Lou is in such wonderful hands with a husband and manager like him. A true knight in shining armour! Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 19:17:30 -0500 From: "Steve Gilmore" Subject: [MLL] Kathleen Edwards LOVE that Lady! "Failer" was the first release of 2003 that cried out "Top 10! Top 10!" the minute I heard it. SVG However, there is one 'relatively' recent release that I consider, without exaggeration, one of the finest albums I've ever heard, and I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned. The artist is Kathleen Edwards, and the release is her 2003 debut "Failer." Both musically, and especially lyrically, it's as close to a perfect album as I've heard in a very long time (MLL naturally excluded), and for those who aren't familiar with her music consider this recommendation my first contribution to the list. For further reference, Ms. Edwards' web site can be found at http://www.kathleenedwards.com/, and there's an audio review of the album (with plenty of clips) from NPR's All Things Considered at: http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=920387 - -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ End of jinglejangle-digest V7 #63 *********************************