From: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org (jinglejangle-digest) To: jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Subject: jinglejangle-digest V7 #62 Reply-To: jinglejangle@smoe.org Sender: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jinglejangle-digest Tuesday, April 27 2004 Volume 07 : Number 062 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [MLL] Street Team!!! [AidMerr@aol.com] [MLL] Boston Show/posters! [Bopst@aol.com] [MLL] No show tonight in Richmond VA [mail@rachelkramerbussel.com] [MLL] FW: the ladies and gents of The Sha Sha (tues april 27) NYC ["Amy E] Re: [MLL] No show tonight in Richmond VA [Rasputina11@aol.com] Re: [MLL] No show tonight in Richmond VA [Bopst@aol.com] Re: [MLL] No show tonight in Richmond VA [Eenth@aol.com] [MLL] Here's the letter I sent to the promoter: [Bopst@aol.com] [none] ["Jeff" ] Fw: [MLL] Here's the letter I sent to the promoter: ["Cinnamon Brunmier" ] Re: Fw: [MLL] Here's the letter I sent to the promoter: [Snsetblaze@aol.c] Re: [MLL] Here's what I think: ["Jill Falzoi" ] [MLL] from Kevin WARNING TO BANDS/AGENTS/NANCI RAYGUN RICHMOND VA [mail@r] Re: [MLL] FW: the ladies and gents of The Sha Sha (tues april 27) NYC [ml] [MLL] Here's what I think: ["Jonathan Gillespie" Anyone want to volunteer for a Mary Lou street team in your city??? If she's doing it in London (or elsewhere in SE England) I'm certainly up for it. If she's planning playing on the tube be warned - they're now issuing busking licences and cracking down _very_ hard on anyone busking without a permit. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:45:09 EDT From: Bopst@aol.com Subject: [MLL] Boston Show/posters! Hey Chris and Melissa, I've got a bunch of posters that need hanging for the Boston show... Whats the best way to do this??? Could we meet up somewhere or is there somewhere I could drop them off??? Chris your email doesn't allow me to send mail to you??? Whassup w/ that??? - --Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:57:59 -0400 (EDT) From: mail@rachelkramerbussel.com Subject: [MLL] No show tonight in Richmond VA (from Rachel - if there's a contract, can't they be forced to pay? But anyway, that sucks for everyone involved, I'm very sorry) Received: from Bopst@aol.com Subject: Tonights show in Richmond VA. To: jinglejangle@smoe.org Our apologies to everyone who attempted to make the show in Richmond VA. Mary Lou had driven South from DC to make the show, was 5 minutes from the venue when she got a call from the promoter. The promoter informed her that she had only sold a couple of advance tickets to the show and that they did not think they should have to pay the guarantee of $400. Mary Lou said, "well what do you want me to do, c ancel?" The promoter said that she would really appreciate it if she did. Mary Lou has now cancelled the rest of the tour and is coming home. The complete and total lack of respect shown by the promoter of the Nanci Raygun, not to mention her absolute lack of professional ethics stuns me. Can you imagine how you would feel, driving 2 hours of your time to perform, and expect to get paid... only to have someone tell you 5 mins. prior to your arrival that "guess what? I know we signed a contract guaranteeing you X amount of money, but, hey we don't think we should have to???" Our apologies to everyone who did make it out to the show, please let the venue know how you really appreciate their lack of business ethics... I find it cute that they are simply telling everyone that "Mary Lou cancelled" The Maryland show is also not happening... hopefully word gets out in advance to everyone thinking of attending... Mary Lou is pretty upset about the whole thing and has an even more sour view of the entire music industry than before... Our apologies... Kevin & Mary Lou ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:04:06 +0000 From: "Amy Emerman" Subject: [MLL] FW: the ladies and gents of The Sha Sha (tues april 27) NYC skip paris hilton's new sex video and come to some of these events instead...if you want... 8pm - 10:15pm tuesday, april 27th CATHARSIS @ Caffe Sha Sha 510 Hudson Street (between Chrstopher & W. 10th) 212-242-3021 in no special order of appearance...kevin so, amy emerman, kevin paul, amy hills, elisa korenne, gabrielle, elisa peimer, jack hardy (maybe), leslie mendelson (1 song), antje duvekot (1 song), athena reich & mark aaron james (if I forgot someone I'm sorry...I'm sleepy...) No cover, nice cafe, good music, good cheer, pretty ... then amy is involved with a few other upcoming events: singing on three or four songs with kevin paul of the band Shelterhouse on sunday may 3rd at 7pm at otto's shrunken head (terrible name for a place) which used to be barmacy on east 14th street b/w 1st and A, I think and then participating in the "chicks with guitars showcase" on may 14th at the orange bear see http://www.chickswithguitars.com for more info again, I'm sleepy so I hope I gave you the right date (I'm playing for 20 minutes around 8pm) then tuesday, may 16th at CNOTE, 9-11pm Amy Emerman & friends including Jack Hardy, Leslie MEndelson (the fabulous Miss M), and Bobby Lynn, free and on avenue C at 10th Street (I'm playing for about half hour at 9pm) then tuesday, may 25th again at the caffe Sha Sha with Rosanna Lee, Emily Curtis, Rebecca Martin, b1 & many talented others... see http://www.cdbaby.com/emerman to fill in any blanks see photos from the songwriter's exchange class reunion here http://amy.iconrate.net/gallery/ thank you and happy rainy gloomy april day amy _________________________________________________________________ From must-see cities to the best beaches, plan a getaway with the Spring Travel Guide! http://special.msn.com/local/springtravel.armx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:09:00 EDT From: Rasputina11@aol.com Subject: Re: [MLL] No show tonight in Richmond VA Is this the same thing that happened back when MLL was scheduled to come to Orlando in January? She was going to be at the Lodge, then it got changed to another venue, then it got canceled! I was so miffed! One day she'll play in FL, I hope! ~Natasha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:14:50 EDT From: Bopst@aol.com Subject: Re: [MLL] No show tonight in Richmond VA big difference, that promoter sent us a check for the promised amount and apologized profusely for the mix-up. This promoter simply weasled out of the obligation... and then is telling everyone who arrives that Mary Lou cancelled... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:38:54 EDT From: Eenth@aol.com Subject: Re: [MLL] No show tonight in Richmond VA In a message dated 4/26/2004 8:20:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bopst@aol.com writes: > This promoter simply weasled out of the > obligation... and THAT'S why people gotta help out with the street team! good music is up to us folks. (sorry, now back to lurker status....man this corner's nice!) dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:47:49 EDT From: Bopst@aol.com Subject: [MLL] Here's the letter I sent to the promoter: Ayndria... Once again I would like to express my extreme displeasure at the way you treated Mary Lou Lord this afternoon. The fact that you feel it is simply "no problem" to contact an artist that is 5 minutes from your venue and try to weasel out of a contract shows extreme lack of moral character on your behalf. In case you are unaware, Mary Lou is married with a child who is in pre-school, a home, a mortgage, car payments and all the other things that go with being an adult. She does not drive around the country playing shows for the "fun" of it... The fact that the support act cancelled "because they had an exam" is of no concern of hers. The fact that you may stand to lose money is unfortunate, however, irrelevant as you entered into an agreement with her booking agent. YOU SHOULD NEVER BOOK AN ACT UNLESS YOU ARE WILLING TO PAY THEM THE PROMISED AMOUNT, NO QUESTIONS ASKED... I find it cute that you are informing people arriving for the show that "Mary Lou cancelled", because she was running late. I've recieved 2 unhappy emails from fans already. On a personal note, Mary Lou is an extremely considerate person, and I can guarantee you that at the end of the night she would have been more than happy to work with you. She is not a greedy person who expects others to lose out while she gains... So forget the $400 she lost tonight, the potential merch money she could have made. The hotel room she paid for last night in DC so she could be at your show today or the gas money and time spent driving to your fair city. Lets not think about the fact that you made an artist feel like a total piece of shit. So upset, in fact, that she cancelled the rest of her shows and is returning home. But what do you care? I informed you that I felt that you owed her an apology if nothing else... you agreed, but never called her. You saved a couple hundred bucks right? Well, one thing you might want to keep in mind... a dollar saved today could end up costing you thousands down the road. It's a small world in the indie music community, and musicians are a funny bunch. They tend to watch each others backs... Tell them who treated them well and who most certainly didn't... So sleep well tonight, you should wake up tommorrow morning and embrace your contribution to the human race... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:49:50 -0400 From: "Jeff" Subject: [none] A guarantee is only 400 bucks?? I think I paid more than that to see her in Chicago!! You mean I could have paid that much and she'd have come to Maine and all my friends who I force to listen to her on CD could have heard her in person? I think I feel a House Concert coming up. Jeff. And I'm less of a crazed stalker than the Brighton Dude. (Just kidding, Paul.) :) - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 4/15/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:31:11 -0700 From: "Cinnamon Brunmier" Subject: Fw: [MLL] Here's the letter I sent to the promoter: I sent this to Kevin. Even if they don't have a written contract, the club could still be forced to pay under an oral K or under estoppel theory. But...hard to say if it would be worth it. - --Cin - ----- Original Message ----- From: Cinnamon Brunmier To: Bopst@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [MLL] Here's the letter I sent to the promoter: isn't there something contractual that can be done here? A contract does not have to be a written deal. A contract legally is merely an offer, acceptance and consideration (promise for a promise). In addition, under the theory of estoppel, RELIANCE on the part of on party may be enough to incur damages. I can't wait until I finish law school and pass the bar so I can protect people like Mary Lou from unscrupulous booking agents like this one. If MLL wanted to take this person to court, she def has a good case. But at the end of the day, it's probably more trouble than it's worth to actually litigate it. Just a bummer that people think they can (and do) get away with this sort of behavior. It's awful. Please, tell MLL how sorry I am. XoX--Cinnamon ----- Original Message ----- From: Bopst@aol.com To: jinglejangle@smoe.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 5:47 PM Subject: [MLL] Here's the letter I sent to the promoter: Ayndria... Once again I would like to express my extreme displeasure at the way you treated Mary Lou Lord this afternoon. The fact that you feel it is simply "no problem" to contact an artist that is 5 minutes from your venue and try to weasel out of a contract shows extreme lack of moral character on your behalf. In case you are unaware, Mary Lou is married with a child who is in pre-school, a home, a mortgage, car payments and all the other things that go with being an adult. She does not drive around the country playing shows for the "fun" of it... The fact that the support act cancelled "because they had an exam" is of no concern of hers. The fact that you may stand to lose money is unfortunate, however, irrelevant as you entered into an agreement with her booking agent. YOU SHOULD NEVER BOOK AN ACT UNLESS YOU ARE WILLING TO PAY THEM THE PROMISED AMOUNT, NO QUESTIONS ASKED... I find it cute that you are informing people arriving for the show that "Mary Lou cancelled", because she was running late. I've recieved 2 unhappy emails from fans already. On a personal note, Mary Lou is an extremely considerate person, and I can guarantee you that at the end of the night she would have been more than happy to work with you. She is not a greedy person who expects others to lose out while she gains... So forget the $400 she lost tonight, the potential merch money she could have made. The hotel room she paid for last night in DC so she could be at your show today or the gas money and time spent driving to your fair city. Lets not think about the fact that you made an artist feel like a total piece of shit. So upset, in fact, that she cancelled the rest of her shows and is returning home. But what do you care? I informed you that I felt that you owed her an apology if nothing else... you agreed, but never called her. You saved a couple hundred bucks right? Well, one thing you might want to keep in mind... a dollar saved today could end up costing you thousands down the road. It's a small world in the indie music community, and musicians are a funny bunch. They tend to watch each others backs... Tell them who treated them well and who most certainly didn't... So sleep well tonight, you should wake up tommorrow morning and embrace your contribution to the human race... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:38:13 EDT From: Snsetblaze@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: [MLL] Here's the letter I sent to the promoter: Adding to spycygrl's email - re oral contract, estoppel, etc. Especially since Marylou started to fulfill her end of the contract by being on the road to the venue, renting a hotel, etc. Mary Lou could also consider taking the club to small small claims court (or that state's equivalent). It might produce a check or some of the amount which would reimburse Mary Lou for her expenses and make her whole because the club may not want to spend the time or cost to go to court. Alycia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:53:04 -0400 From: "Jill Falzoi" Subject: Re: [MLL] Here's what I think: I am so sorry this has happened! I am not a lawyer, just worked for some: there *is* a word of mouth clause as part of contract law, and it functions as does a paper contract -- such contracts are made to protect both parties from just this sort of joke... why else have a contract? That promoter *broke* a legal contract. She should be fined at the very least. There may be other illegalities such as the slander: "there is no show because Mary Lou cancelled." I'd say that is slander, especially due to it's implications. Does this promoter have a supervisor who can be contacted about her unethical and personally abhorrent behavior? I would hope that a supervisor could arrange for some kind of payment or some grand reparation even though it's not the point and it will still feel all lousy. At least s/he would know what happened and the promoter would be watched. Or if the supervisor made her do this, is there anyone above the supervisor? The owner? Actually, I don't know if these people care... I am just thinking like a good Libra. Which often means equitable and optimistic to a fault. I guess I'm tilted. Is there a prominent newspaper in that city that was advertising the show, and that contains a "letters to the editor" section? A polite letter written in would look good. I imagine there are means of spreading this very unfortunate incident wide and far within the Indie community in order to "blacklist" this place or at least forewarn. And any other that is associated with it. They only give her $400? She gets the entrance fee, right? Please tell me she does. Jill - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cinnamon Brunmier" To: "Rachel K Bussel" Cc: Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 9:31 PM Subject: Fw: [MLL] Here's the letter I sent to the promoter: > I sent this to Kevin. > Even if they don't have a written contract, the club could still be forced to > pay under an oral K or under estoppel theory. > But...hard to say if it would be worth it. > --Cin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cinnamon Brunmier > To: Bopst@aol.com > Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 6:29 PM > Subject: Re: [MLL] Here's the letter I sent to the promoter: > > > isn't there something contractual that can be done here? A contract does not > have to be a written deal. A contract legally is merely an offer, acceptance > and consideration (promise for a promise). In addition, under the theory of > estoppel, RELIANCE on the part of on party may be enough to incur damages. > > I can't wait until I finish law school and pass the bar so I can protect > people like Mary Lou from unscrupulous booking agents like this one. > > If MLL wanted to take this person to court, she def has a good case. But at > the end of the day, it's probably more trouble than it's worth to actually > litigate it. Just a bummer that people think they can (and do) get away with > this sort of behavior. It's awful. > Please, tell MLL how sorry I am. > XoX--Cinnamon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bopst@aol.com > To: jinglejangle@smoe.org > Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 5:47 PM > Subject: [MLL] Here's the letter I sent to the promoter: > > > Ayndria... > Once again I would like to express my extreme displeasure at the way you > treated Mary Lou Lord this afternoon. The fact that you feel it is simply > "no > problem" to contact an artist that is 5 minutes from your venue and try to > weasel out of a contract shows extreme lack of moral character on your > behalf. In > case you are unaware, Mary Lou is married with a child who is in pre-school, > a home, a mortgage, car payments and all the other things that go with being > an adult. She does not drive around the country playing shows for the "fun" > of > it... > The fact that the support act cancelled "because they had an exam" is of no > concern of hers. The fact that you may stand to lose money is unfortunate, > however, irrelevant as you entered into an agreement with her booking agent. > YOU > SHOULD NEVER BOOK AN ACT UNLESS YOU ARE WILLING TO PAY THEM THE PROMISED > AMOUNT, NO QUESTIONS ASKED... > I find it cute that you are informing people arriving for the show that > "Mary > Lou cancelled", because she was running late. I've recieved 2 unhappy > emails > from fans already. On a personal note, Mary Lou is an extremely considerate > person, and I can guarantee you that at the end of the night she would have > been more than happy to work with you. She is not a greedy person who > expects > others to lose out while she gains... > So forget the $400 she lost tonight, the potential merch money she could > have > made. The hotel room she paid for last night in DC so she could be at your > show today or the gas money and time spent driving to your fair city. Lets > not think about the fact that you made an artist feel like a total piece of > shit. So upset, in fact, that she cancelled the rest of her shows and is > returning home. But what do you care? I informed you that I felt that you > owed her > an apology if nothing else... you agreed, but never called her. You saved > a > couple hundred bucks right? Well, one thing you might want to keep in > mind... > a dollar saved today could end up costing you thousands down the road. It's > a > small world in the indie music community, and musicians are a funny bunch. > They tend to watch each others backs... Tell them who treated them well and > who most certainly didn't... > So sleep well tonight, you should wake up tommorrow morning and embrace your > contribution to the human race... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:01:47 -0400 (EDT) From: mail@rachelkramerbussel.com Subject: [MLL] from Kevin WARNING TO BANDS/AGENTS/NANCI RAYGUN RICHMOND VA Received: from JitteryJackMgt@aol.com Subject: WARNING TO BANDS/AGENTS/NANCI RAYGUN RICHMOND VA The following warning is for all bands/agents considering doing business with the venue NANCI RAYGUN in Richmond VA. One of our artists was verbally intimidated out of the agreed upon arrangement in their booking contract. The clubs promoter misled the booking agent to obtain direct contact information for the artist. The artist was then contacted 10 minutes away from the venue (after driving several hours to arrive there) and intimidated into cancelling the engagement. This was done to get out of paying the guarantee. As a female artist on tour alone she did not feel comfortable showing up at the venue and demanding to play or be paid. Fans were then informed that it was the artist who had "cancelled" the show. It is unfortunate that in this day and age unscrupulous people like this continue to exploit artists. However, we feel it is our duty to inform other artists and agents of our misfortune. I would advise anyone to not do business with this venue. If you do, proceed at caution and be well aware that they may attempt to contact your artist directly. Yours sincerely, Kevin Patey JitteryJackMGT@aol.com Mary Lou Lord (Kill Rock Stars, Sony/WorkGroup, Rubric Records) Emergency Music (Man With a Gun) The Raging Teens (Rubric Records) Jittery Jack (Annabelle Records) Amy Griffin (SideOneDummy) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 01:03:14 -0400 From: mll@information-age.org Subject: Re: [MLL] FW: the ladies and gents of The Sha Sha (tues april 27) NYC Here we go again... At 12:04 AM 4/27/2004 +0000, you wrote: >skip paris hilton's new sex video and come to some of these events >instead...if you want... > >8pm - 10:15pm >tuesday, april 27th >CATHARSIS @ Caffe Sha Sha >510 Hudson Street >(between Chrstopher & W. 10th) >212-242-3021 > >in no special order of appearance...kevin so, amy emerman, kevin paul, amy >hills, elisa korenne, gabrielle, elisa peimer, jack hardy (maybe), leslie >mendelson (1 song), antje duvekot (1 song), athena reich & mark aaron >james (if >I forgot someone I'm sorry...I'm sleepy...) > >No cover, nice cafe, good music, good cheer, pretty ... > > >then amy is involved with a few other upcoming events: > >singing on three or four songs with kevin paul of the band Shelterhouse on >sunday may 3rd at 7pm at otto's shrunken head (terrible name for a place) >which >used to be barmacy on east 14th street b/w 1st and A, I think > >and then participating in the "chicks with guitars showcase" on may 14th >at the >orange bear see http://www.chickswithguitars.com for more info again, I'm >sleepy >so I hope I gave you the right date (I'm playing for 20 minutes around 8pm) > >then tuesday, may 16th at CNOTE, 9-11pm Amy Emerman & friends including Jack >Hardy, Leslie MEndelson (the fabulous Miss M), and Bobby Lynn, free and on >avenue C at 10th Street (I'm playing for about half hour at 9pm) > >then tuesday, may 25th again at the caffe Sha Sha with Rosanna Lee, Emily >Curtis, Rebecca Martin, b1 & many talented others... > >see http://www.cdbaby.com/emerman to fill in any blanks > >see photos from the songwriter's exchange class reunion here > >http://amy.iconrate.net/gallery/ > > >thank you and happy rainy gloomy april day >amy > >_________________________________________________________________ > From must-see cities to the best beaches, plan a getaway with the Spring > Travel Guide! http://special.msn.com/local/springtravel.armx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:04:32 -0500 From: "Jonathan Gillespie" Subject: [MLL] Here's what I think: That really stinks. I suppose it is the unfortunate truth about the live music industry. Promoters generally suck. Make 'em pay you cash before the gig starts. And if they pull some shit like trying to not honor the contract, you gotta show up in person right then and get your money. Demand cash, its a bar, they have cash... Jonathan _________________________________________________________________ From must-see cities to the best beaches, plan a getaway with the Spring Travel Guide! http://special.msn.com/local/springtravel.armx ------------------------------ End of jinglejangle-digest V7 #62 *********************************