From: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org (jinglejangle-digest) To: jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Subject: jinglejangle-digest V7 #56 Reply-To: jinglejangle@smoe.org Sender: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jinglejangle-digest Wednesday, April 21 2004 Volume 07 : Number 056 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [MLL] cosmic rough riders [Carsten Wohlfeld ] [MLL] Re: jinglejangle-digest V7 #55 [MojoShivers@aol.com] [MLL] That's Why... [Bopst@aol.com] Re: [MLL] cosmic rough riders [Andrewbcjk@aol.com] [MLL] Lisa Said [Recordings@aol.com] [MLL] Why [Lisa Price ] Re: [MLL] That's Why... [Concertina9@aol.com] [MLL] PS [Concertina9@aol.com] RE: [MLL] Two Lisas ["Dino Dimuro" ] [MLL] Christene LeDoux ["Steve Gilmore" ] Re: [MLL] That's Why... [Concertina9@aol.com] RE: [MLL] Two Lisas [Lisa Price ] Re: [MLL] That's Why... [Lisa Price ] [MLL] flames ["Solomon, Aidan" ] RE: [MLL] Lisa: The Price is WRONG, Bob! ["Dino Dimuro" ] Re: [MLL] Sad ["Cinnamon Brunmier" ] [MLL] some music news ["Solomon, Aidan" ] RE: [MLL] flames ["Jonathan Gillespie" ] [MLL] Oh My God... [Bopst@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:01:55 +0200 From: Carsten Wohlfeld Subject: [MLL] cosmic rough riders Mary Lou wrote: > Hiya guys...on another topic...Hav any of you guys heard a band from Scotland > called the "Cosmic Roughriders"...I'm doing a show with them and the M's from > Cicago at tt the bear's in early May...The 7th I think...I was just wondering > if any of you guys have heard them... they are a good band, nothing spectacular though. apart from the 60s power pop, they have a bit of a folk influence (they say it comes from scottish folkies like hamish imlach oder alex campbell). funnily enough i got to talk to them about richard thompson once... turns out that their singer daniel really likes the song "wall of death". carsten - -- http://carstenwohlfeld.com http://carstenwohlfeld.de "what's wrong with wanting to be at home with your record collection?" ~ nick hornby ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 05:45:53 EDT From: MojoShivers@aol.com Subject: [MLL] Re: jinglejangle-digest V7 #55 My question for lisax136 is why even write to this list if Mary is such a stupid ass. I mean--I don't know about you but I have better things to do than join a mailing list for someone you seem to have such contempt for. I don't usually post on here very often but I do get this mailing because I rather enjoy hearing news about Mary Lou and about others who enjoy her too. To take time out of your life, join this mailing list, and leave scathing posts about people who you obviously feel are beneath you is just stupid. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to sign yourself up for this list just to badmouth Mary is just pure sadism. I happen to love Mary's music and that's why I'm here receiving these mailings. What's your reason for continuing to be here? - --Patrick P.S., Mary-- love the new album and I am very sorry I missed you while you were here in L.A. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:16:40 EDT From: Bopst@aol.com Subject: [MLL] That's Why... The reason Lisa is on this list is more than likely because she is a Courtney Love fan...She more than likely doesn't really know anything about me or the music, but she is curious about me. she knows I am accessable...That I "actually" post on this list....I think it gives Lisa a "rise" to "defend, or "fight" for Courtney....I have gone through this many times with many a young and "early" Courtney Love fan...In the beginning (when these young women liked and respected Courtney ie...(.before Prada Versache took hold) these chicks would come into my folder and cause trouble...Interestingly enough, they too had never heard my music and knew nothing about me, but as the years went on, they figured out that thier role-model was less than someone they figured she was...I got many an apology and actually made many friends *after the fact* with women who um..."grew up"....The average age of those women then was 17...that was in 93...God, these gals are almost 30 now...Give Lisa another couple of years to figure out that her role model, CL, is no one that any woman, as far as I can tell, should aspire to want to " be like"....Courtney Love was once in a position where she could have done SO MUCH for the causes of women and she blew it...She became in my opinion a self-obsessed materialistic person that cared about one thing..."herself and her *LOOKS*"...There is no triumph in that...There is no respect in that..That's one of the things that women should be overcoming.... So, if you guys are wondering about Lisa...that's what's going on here..She's more than likely a young and *new* Courtney Love fan defending her Idol.... Lisa...if you're reading still...There are better people to follow other than Courtney Love.... There are so many women out there who are strong talented and loving and awesome role models for young women...I think some of Courtney's records are awesome....I think she's cool in many ways, but in many ways, she just sucks....Believe me....I think I would like her too if I didn't know so much about her....There's just no *goodness* in that woman's heart....It's just black.... - -Mary Lou ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:37:08 EDT From: Andrewbcjk@aol.com Subject: Re: [MLL] cosmic rough riders carsten my brother.. i respectfully disagree i think the cosmic rough riders are super great... i have really enjoyed their record "too close to see far" and live they can totally pull off the harmonies - all 4 guys sing - big pop hooks - very teenage fanclub, big starish... not that far really from bands like the thrills, minibar, maplewood. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:38:06 -0400 From: Recordings@aol.com Subject: [MLL] Lisa Said Fellow Bohemians, For anyone who wasn't around in the glorious days of the Hole and MLL folders on aol, Lisa's post is a good example of the kind of shit that was flung almost daily at Mary Lou, often by Courtney herself (I have many of these archived.) I started reading the Hole posts just out of curiosity, and this constant bashing of Mary Lou had the inverse effect of making her name very well-known. And then, BY SHEER COINCIDENCE, my boss Wylie had her cassette Real because he knew her first manager, Sanford Ponder (sp?)... and I put it on, and it was magic. So, Lisa's post (and don't ever mix her up with the GOOD Lisa Tski) is like a stroll down memory lane, the Greatest Hits of 1995, except that Mary Lou has proven her worth over and over since then... and in case anyone hasn't noticed, this isn't the 60's where artists are allowed to build a fan base over several albums. Being dropped from a label after one release is the rule, not the exception (WORK no longer exists either.) It was a nice paycheck for ML and an exciting time for us, but Mary Lou never needed the majors. Oh, and thanks for calling us bohemians! Makes me feel like having espresso at City Lights while reading Ferlinghetti. With Deep Bohemian Regard.... Dino (Guaranteed 100% Starry-eyed Love-struck Mary Lou Fan Content) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:14:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Lisa Price Subject: [MLL] Why First off, The only thing I said, that perhaps I should have worded differently was the 'onstage banter' comment. In retrospect, I see that it makes it sound as if MLL was being cynical, and using ES's death to score points. That is not what I meant to say. What I was saying was that ES threw his life away, and should have gotten help. I know that it's easy for me to comment on what he could or could not do, as I did not know him, nor did I know the tremendous pain he must have endured leading up to that moment. I know that MLL would mention ES as he was her good friend, and that she would want to share that with her audience. I just did not put it the right way, and now it's all this. MLL then went beserk and called me a 'Peice Of Shit' and other things, and my feelings were hurt. Thats why I hit her back the way i did! Mary Lou... i understand that you were angry but give you didn't give me a moment to answer or expain what I meant! I am not angry at all now. I am dissapointed! It wasn't Courtney Love who inspired me to write and sing my own songs and learn guitar. IT WAS YOU! I even learned your songs and played them. I am sorry I will not post here again, i probably have been banned anyways. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:50:24 EDT From: Concertina9@aol.com Subject: Re: [MLL] That's Why... I can't understand why anyone would bother being a part of this list just to be an asshole and harass Mary Lou. There's music out there I don't like - Ms. Love's attempts being one of them - but I don't feel the need to insult them directly, especially when I don't even know them personally. I am appalled that anyone would suggest Mary Lou or anybody else for that matter is benefitting from Elliot's death. I think that when anyone feels that the only way out is to take their own life, it is always tragic. The contributions that Elliot Smith made to music only add to the feelings of sorrow that I have - if someone like Elliot could feel as if life is not worth living, I can only imagine how it might be for so many other people. This list should be a forum about music - primarily about Mary Lou, but since we all (ahem) enjoy her music, it is a reasonable asessment that we would also enjoy the other things people on the list enjoy. ALRIGHT. I felt like I had to weigh in here. I sometimes just can't stand the way people treat one another. And PS Mary Lou - love you muchly and I hope I get to see you play soon. It has been way too long!! -- Leigh in SC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:53:27 EDT From: Concertina9@aol.com Subject: [MLL] PS Dino - you make me laugh whenever I read your posts. I like your take on things! Thanks! - Leigh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:31:38 -0700 From: "Dino Dimuro" Subject: RE: [MLL] Two Lisas Hey Lisa, In all seriousness, wasn't this YOU? >FOR CHRIST SAKE GET ME OFF THIS FRIGGIN LIST! I DONT CARE ABOUT SOME OLD WEIRD CHICK WHO SINGS ON THE SUBWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!< If so, how could THIS be you too? >It wasn't Courtney Love who inspired > me to write and sing my own songs and learn guitar. IT > WAS YOU! I even learned your songs and played them< > I am genuinely puzzled. Do you share your account with someone, or is it a SYBILL thing? D > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" > http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:41:13 -0500 From: "Steve Gilmore" Subject: [MLL] Christene LeDoux I just joined this list, but I was aware of Christene through the DarList (Dar Williams). Agree - she's a real gem as a singer songwriter. Steve Gilmore Charlotte, NC USA Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:19:07 -0700 From: raven@igc.org Subject: Re[2]: [MLL] Hi there... At 08:51 AM 04/13/2004, Mary Lou asked: >anything we should be listening to? And I mentioned two, Melissa Ferrick (from Boston area) and Jeff Lang (from Australia), but I forgot to mention another artist that follows much of the same music path as Mary Lou herself, her name is Christene LeDoux She is a storyteller! No matter whether she is playing her guitar or just talking to you off-stage, she is a storyteller, and what stories she has... I have known her for some time, and she always has new stories to tell me, amazing stories. She has won awards for her artistry, her full-length CD is in it's second pressing and will soon reach it's third. She totally manages her own career, handling all booking and management of her record label, "Little Pumpkin Music". Prior to answering her calling as a singer/songwriter, she lived all over the US, from Alaska to Arizona, Colorado, and Connecticut, taking any job she could find, from fueling airplanes in the Grand Canyon to working in real estate and photographing skiers (and much more). In 2001 she braved the well-known shopping/tourist area at Fisherman's Wharf singing for hours (the big San Francisco equivalent to the subway busking of other cities), singing for hours by day, and burning her first CD sampler at night. She has done an amazing variety of concerts in the US and Europe, from small intimate house concerts, to clubs and coffeehouses, to being an invited guest at festivals. Her guitar work is always intriguing, enchanting, and inviting, her lyrics are personal, but you are somehow included in them, and I especially love her live shows, I am always captivated. She tours constantly, she essentially lives wherever she's singing at the moment, she's currently in Europe and the UK for one month, but she normally tours all over the US, and (unlike most artists) she includes some really small towns. And big surprise, I just discovered that she's a member of the jinglejangle list. :) - -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:47:32 EDT From: Concertina9@aol.com Subject: Re: [MLL] That's Why... Here's a personal note I recieved: Who's an asshole? Do you know how to read? When did anyone suggest that MLL was milking Elliot's death? BTW. it was MLL who started the whole thing by being vulgar, and conducting herself like a tramp off the street. I know southerners tend to be a bit slower than those of us who are above the mason-dixon line, but for god's sake read. The only asshole is you! Hey guys - I was just wondering if anyone else thought that what I had to say made me sound like an asshole - I was just supporting Mary Lou. Sorry if I offended anyone. Hopefully when I get back to Harvard this summer I'll speed up my thinking process and catch up with the rest of the civilized world. Leigh PS - anyone who's in the Boston area might want to check out Christine Kane when she plays at Club Passim in May. She is another one of my favorites - I got to know her when she played at the college where I was in school. http://www.chritinekane.com I think the Passim show is a cd release show for her new album. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:00:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Lisa Price Subject: RE: [MLL] Two Lisas Dino, If you must have an explanation, I sell my CDs online, and on top of that, I get spammed quite a bit. I requested off this list to help alleviate the volume of email I was/am receiving. It was/is a strain and I was really not posting very much. That said, I don't know what kind of point you are trying to make, nor do I undertand what reasoning skills you utilized to infer that somehow my wanting off this list is irreconcilable to my musical influences. To equate that to the story of 'Sybil' (a purported case of Multiple Personality Syndrome) is just an uber-reach, with little or no though behind it. I suppose if I wear a red jacket that means I hate Blue. And here you are spouting off like a television detective who has found a smoking gun! So let me understand this, my wanting off this list, means that MLL could not have influenced me musically, and I am either a liar, or I have more than one personality!? Uhh ok! Dino, if you must engage in a battle of wits, you should'nt show up un-armed. Thank You, -Lisa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:04:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Lisa Price Subject: Re: [MLL] That's Why... Yes Leigh, I think you are! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:59:14 -0700 From: "Solomon, Aidan" Subject: [MLL] flames Can't we all just get along? XO - Aid ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:44:06 -0700 From: "Dino Dimuro" Subject: RE: [MLL] Lisa: The Price is WRONG, Bob! >So let me understand this, my wanting off this list, means that MLL could not have influenced me musically, and I am either a liar, or I have more than one personality!?< No Lisa; you are a liar or have more than one personality because your posts have veered from clueless lurker, to character assassin, to pathetic ass-kisser. You told me I should have better ammunition. How about your own words? 2/22/04 How do I get removed from this list? 3/28/04 HOW DO I GET TAKEN OFF THIS LIST?? AHHHHHHH Putting jinglejangle@smoe.org on block obviously doesn't work. 4/9/04 FOR CHRIST SAKE GET ME OFF THIS FRIGGIN LIST! I DONT CARE ABOUT SOME OLD WEIRD CHICK WHO SINGS ON THE SUBWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 4/18/04 ...what did (Elliott Smith) die for? So that we may find his lyrics all the more poignant? So that MLL can allude to this tragedy in her onstage/street/subway banter?(This is no slur on MLL, by the way!) 4/19/04 (Mary Lou), let me say how much I enjoyed your post. I have always been enchanted with the simple wit of imbeciles. Well if I can make it onto the subway some evening when you are rasping, or yodeling, or whatever it is you do, I will be glad to introduce myself. I often chat with all sorts. You are a joke... (IT GOES ON FROM THERE.) 4/20/04 It wasn't Courtney Love who inspired me to write and sing my own songs and learn guitar. IT WAS YOU! I even learned your songs and played them. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:04:01 EDT From: EmilyLesh@aol.com Subject: [MLL] Sad I love Mary Lou Lord, and that is why I am on this list. I enjoy reading personal posts from one of my favorite artists, as well as hearing news about her from other fans. Which is why I am extremely disappointed by the numerous emails I've been getting this week from this list -- the majority of which have been about some immature battle with Courtney Love, who I really could care less about. I would love to remain on this list, as I have been for years, but if my email box continues to be flooded with emails about a "musician" I have no interest in hearing about, I will have to be get myself taken off the list. As I hope to avoid this, can't everyone just ignore this Lisa person and stop responding to her innane, meaningless comments -- that aren't worth any response at all? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:17:01 -0700 From: "Dino Dimuro" Subject: [MLL] RE: Sad Okay, Emily. My flames are out. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:32:34 -0700 From: "Cinnamon Brunmier" Subject: Re: [MLL] Sad I totally agree with Emily. I am in law school all day long and hear enough "back and forth" there. I am not on the MLL list for anger and resentment & catfighting. Maybe we could get back to positive posting about mary lou? and other "unknown" artists we are listening to? Thanks, - --Cin ----- Original Message ----- From: EmilyLesh@aol.com To: DDimuro@soundelux.com ; lisax136@yahoo.com ; jinglejangle@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 5:04 PM Subject: [MLL] Sad I love Mary Lou Lord, and that is why I am on this list. I enjoy reading personal posts from one of my favorite artists, as well as hearing news about her from other fans. Which is why I am extremely disappointed by the numerous emails I've been getting this week from this list -- the majority of which have been about some immature battle with Courtney Love, who I really could care less about. I would love to remain on this list, as I have been for years, but if my email box continues to be flooded with emails about a "musician" I have no interest in hearing about, I will have to be get myself taken off the list. As I hope to avoid this, can't everyone just ignore this Lisa person and stop responding to her innane, meaningless comments -- that aren't worth any response at all? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:46:53 -0700 From: "Solomon, Aidan" Subject: [MLL] some music news I know this isn't MLL related, so don't yell at me. It's music related and I think you guys might find it interesting. William Hung's album (of American Idol reject fame) has passed Courtney love's new album in sales and on the Billboard top 40 (> ' ')> Aidan <( ' '<) <( ' ' )> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 02:23:23 -0500 From: "Jonathan Gillespie" Subject: RE: [MLL] flames I think it would be better if we all just got a bong. And something I've noticed...it seems that sometimes this list drops messages to some subscribers. Has anyone else noticed this? It seems random to me, but I've seen replies to messages which I never got, but obviously some other people did. Is it a glitch in the smoe system or something? Just curious. Jonathan *holding his bong up high and hoping for peace on the jingle jangle list* _________________________________________________________________ Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 04:13:22 EDT From: Bopst@aol.com Subject: [MLL] Oh My God... You guys...first of all...I know that many of you guys on this list are used to a sleepy little list that you've subscibed to, not meaning to get FLOODED by high -school equivelant quarrelling by silly people you don't care to know about it...He he...I'm so sorry ya'll.....I hope that this pitter patter calms down soon and this list returns to its sleepy little (but extremely musically and integrity riddled state it's always been in....) I'm sure it will....Jesus..I really do feel like I'm In "highschool again"...Dino...I don't know about you, but I am confused about the posts...One minute she hates me and the next she thinks I'm "the shit" ...I don't get it.....whatever...I'm just somewhat embarrassed by how many silly posts have entered this mailing list...I'm SOOO SORRY you guys.... Your pal.. - -Mary Lou ------------------------------ End of jinglejangle-digest V7 #56 *********************************