From: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org (jinglejangle-digest) To: jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Subject: jinglejangle-digest V7 #54 Reply-To: jinglejangle@smoe.org Sender: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jinglejangle-digest Monday, April 19 2004 Volume 07 : Number 054 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [MLL] John Kerry's Tax Plan [Lisa Price ] Re: [MLL] website for petition [Lisa Price ] Re: [MLL] John Kerry's Tax Plan [LisaTski@aol.com] Re: [MLL] John Kerry's Tax Plan [Lisa Price ] Re: [MLL] John Kerry's Tax Plan [LisaTski@aol.com] Re: [MLL] John Kerry's Tax Plan ["Jonathan Gillespie" Subject: [MLL] John Kerry's Tax Plan Kerry Offers Middle-Class Three Times As Much Tax Relief As George BushTax Day Brings More Evidence That George Bush Doesnt Understand Middle-Class Misery April 15, 2004 For Immediate ReleaseWashington, DC As middle-class families across the country file their taxes today, the John Kerry for President Campaign released a comparison of the middle-class tax relief proposals offered by John Kerry and George Bush. The side-by-side comparison shows that Kerry has proposed three times as much tax relief for middle-class families  a result that will come as no surprise to middle-class families that have been increasingly squeezed by a President who is out-of-touch with their needs. George Bushs failed economic policies have put the middle-class in a world of hurt, said Kerry spokesperson Chad Clanton. The middle-class is struggling like never before, yet this President lavished tax cuts on wealthy Americans and stubbornly refuses to change his failed policies or propose any new solutions. John Kerry offers a new economic plan to change the direction of this country, which includes three times as much tax relief for middle-class families. According to a new Middle-Class Misery Index released this week, middle-class families are suffering more under George Bush than under any President on record. Yet with middle-class misery at an all-time high, President Bush has yet to unveil a plan to help. In fact, he has done just the opposite and pushed reckless proposals that have directly contributed to shocking increases in the cost of education and health care. John Kerry recognizes the struggles of the middle-class. He offers real solutions to help families keep up with rising costs in education and health care, like $50 billion in tax cuts for college tuition and $177 billion in tax cuts to make health care affordable for all Americans. Todays side-by-side comparison of the Kerry and Bush middle-class tax relief proposals follows. John Kerry Has Proposed Nearly Three Times As Much New Tax Relief For Middle-Class Families As George Bush Middle class families are increasingly being squeezed by the economy. The Middle class Misery Index has worsened substantially  in part because college tuition has been rising at the fastest rate on record and health costs have risen at the fastest rate in decades. At the same time the economy has lost 2.6 million private sector jobs under George Bush  falling 7 million jobs of the prediction the Bush Administration made in February 2002. John Kerry wants to extend the middle-class tax cuts and make them permanent. In addition he is proposing new tax cuts for middle-class families and job creation: Kerry Bush John Kerry Is Proposing Nearly Three Times More In Tax Cuts to Help Families Pay the Bills Education $50 billion in tax cuts  pays 60 percent of $4,000 in tuition No proposal Health $177 billion in tax cuts  part of a plan to provide more affordable coverage for all Americans. Less than half the amount of tax cuts, fails to provide insurance for most of the uninsured and fails to help middle-class families with premiums. Total Tax Cuts More than $225 billion in additional tax cuts to benefit middle-class families. $86 billion in additional tax cuts. John Kerry is Proposing Tax Cuts to Help Businesses Create Jobs; George Bush Has No Jobs Plan Job Creation New Jobs Tax Credit  covers the payroll taxes for new hiring by manufacturers, other businesses affected by outsourcing, and small business. No proposal. Small Businesses Tax cuts for small businesses that create jobs and for small businesses with health insurance expenses. No proposal. All Businesses 5 percent reduction in the corporate rate will cut taxes for 99 percent of taxpaying corporations. No proposal. Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 13:31:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Lisa Price Subject: Re: [MLL] website for petition With all due respect to Matthew, Elliot Smith made the choice to take his own life. In my opinion he, like Kurt Cobain, took the coward's way out. We all have problems. I certainly do not feel that Elliot Smith's selfish, and weak, action deserves glorification, nor does it deserve "honor". This was not Sam Cooke, or John Lennon. both of whom were murdered. Please do not think me insensitive. I just feel he know deserves a memorial. What did he die for? So that we may find his lyrics all the more poignant? So that MLL can allude to this tragedy in her onstage/street/subway banter?(This is no slur on MLL, by the way!) Suicide is very tragic. It is most tragic for the friends and family. If you want to honor Elliot Smith's memory, volunteer for the Samaritans hotline, or a suicide helpline. Do something tangible that may help another family, or other friends, avoid such a tragedy. Another meaningless memorial is a nice thought, but it's just that! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:49:59 EDT From: LisaTski@aol.com Subject: Re: [MLL] John Kerry's Tax Plan Why am I getting political Blob on the MLL list? I really dont mind the occasional off topic rant.. But I really don't want any more "political insight" Not to be a pain in the ass, but I get enough of this, and have formed my own political opinion. It's got nothing to do with Kerry or Bush. I signed up for this list for MLL news. Maybe I am a simpleton, but that is all I want, MLL related info. Thanks for reading. ~Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:24:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Lisa Price Subject: Re: [MLL] John Kerry's Tax Plan You may want to understand that this may be the most important election of your life. We should all volunteer to help elect John Kerry president! It is that important! NO WAR FOR OIL!!!!!!!! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 18:01:24 EDT From: LisaTski@aol.com Subject: Re: [MLL] John Kerry's Tax Plan In a message dated 4/18/2004 5:34:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, lisax136@yahoo.com writes: > You may want to understand that this may be the most > important election of your life. We should all > volunteer to help elect John Kerry president! It is > that important! NO WAR FOR OIL!!!!!!!! > My point is, the topic for this forum is MLL. =) Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:36:06 -0500 From: "Jonathan Gillespie" Subject: Re: [MLL] John Kerry's Tax Plan I sent Lisax a little note chewing her out for her post about Elliot, and was especially critical, to which she replied that I am a spelling Nazi (which I am) and jealous that I am not a woman. And now this 'War for Oil' garbage is seeing light. So I have officially changed my mind. It is now my opinion that keeping this list strictly MLL or closely related is a good idea. Sniff...sniff....I smell a flame war on the horizon. Everybody get out their flame retardent space suits! Jonathan _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page  FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:29:48 -0400 (EDT) From: mail@rachelkramerbussel.com Subject: [MLL] Acceptable topics for this list I really abhor having to tell anyone what they can and can't post as I don't consider this "my" list as all of ours BUT I would please ask all of you to post on topics about Mary Lou or generally related to her (Mary Lou, you have a little more free reign and if you want to post about anything, go right ahead). Hence, Elliott Smith postings are fine, John Kerry are not unless it somehow related to Mary Lou/busking/musicians or you can see a way to make it relevant to Mary Lou fans. Please also ask yourself, is my posting or response relevant to the entire list, or is it a personal note? If it's the latter, please just send it directly to that person (that means if the post starts with "Dear Maya," send it directly to Maya and not to all of us). If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me OFFLIST. I was just going through old email printouts and found many from this list circa Got No Shadow's release in 1998. It's been around for a long time with relatively little infighting or problems, and I'd love to see it continue that way. I'm really grateful that it's been so drama free around here. So please NO SPAM and try to stay on topic or at least in the musical world (like the recent postings about everyone's favorite music, at Mary Lou's instigation, have been totally fine and interesting and if not, you are all free to use the delete key). Thank you. Rachel, Some Jingle Jangle Listowner mail@rachelkramerbussel.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:19:07 -0700 From: raven@igc.org Subject: Re[2]: [MLL] Hi there... At 08:51 AM 04/13/2004, Mary Lou asked: >anything we should be listening to? And I mentioned two, Melissa Ferrick (from Boston area) and Jeff Lang (from Australia), but I forgot to mention another artist that follows much of the same music path as Mary Lou herself, her name is Christene LeDoux She is a storyteller! No matter whether she is playing her guitar or just talking to you off-stage, she is a storyteller, and what stories she has... I have known her for some time, and she always has new stories to tell me, amazing stories. She has won awards for her artistry, her full-length CD is in it's second pressing and will soon reach it's third. She totally manages her own career, handling all booking and management of her record label, "Little Pumpkin Music". Prior to answering her calling as a singer/songwriter, she lived all over the US, from Alaska to Arizona, Colorado, and Connecticut, taking any job she could find, from fueling airplanes in the Grand Canyon to working in real estate and photographing skiers (and much more). In 2001 she braved the well-known shopping/tourist area at Fisherman's Wharf singing for hours (the big San Francisco equivalent to the subway busking of other cities), singing for hours by day, and burning her first CD sampler at night. She has done an amazing variety of concerts in the US and Europe, from small intimate house concerts, to clubs and coffeehouses, to being an invited guest at festivals. Her guitar work is always intriguing, enchanting, and inviting, her lyrics are personal, but you are somehow included in them, and I especially love her live shows, I am always captivated. She tours constantly, she essentially lives wherever she's singing at the moment, she's currently in Europe and the UK for one month, but she normally tours all over the US, and (unlike most artists) she includes some really small towns. And big surprise, I just discovered that she's a member of the jinglejangle list. :) - -- John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 23:49:18 -0400 From: "Jill" Subject: [MLL] critical apology, memorial, and Elliot First, I apologize for my ignorant statements about the music criticism -- I assumed I could just tranfer my knowledge over from other arts, but I didn't even know about the website so... I am sorry. Second, to address the woman who questioned the rational behind Elliot's memorial and memory (and some other things) -- there is a fabulous book by Kay Jameson you can probably read in any big bookstore. It is about suicide. It is a compassionate book for those who do not understand why anyone would do it and for those hurt by any who suicided. It's a brilliant book. A memorial to Elliot is not to glorify suicide, but to memorialize his life achievements, which are f*cking amazing, especially given the kind of mental pain he must have lived with and through. The memorial is also not totally for Elliot, but for those who love him, to grant a way to turn anger into grief, grief into love. People come together at memorials to share their pain and their love and the good times and it helps heal the grieving process. Memorials do not celebrate suicide -- not sure how that idea got out there. The thing is -- Lisa asks "What did he die for" and suggests some (very pessimistic!) possibilities... Lisa, I think you go too far, sarcastically, possibly in your own pain, so that your suggestions become actually hurtful. No one is "benefiting" from Eliot's suicide, least of all Mary Lou and it's tasteless to suggest this. Even as you define your statement as "not a slur," and I don't believe you mean to be mean, your sentence about MLL comes out as a stinging slap. You probably did not realize this because you were fired up about the memorial topic? I want to offer an alternative point of view. We didn't really talk about this. I don't know if anyone wondered -- it seemed not to be a point of contention. This is my opinion based on direct and indirect experiences: Elliot died because his mental anguish was such that his mind was altered, depressed, in a state in which he absolutely believed he could not go on. It would be the physical equivalent, roughly, of running a race and breaking both your legs on a tree that suddenly falls on top of you. Well, I imagine his mind was in that broken state and it may be impossible to explain to anyone who has not ever been altered in this mental way. (I know people give the physical much more credence than the mental, but I know the mental is much harder (and requires more courage) to deal with.) Suicide isn't just about "having problems" and not being able to overcome them, or not being courageous enough to face them. Nor is suicide "a choice" among others. (Maybe a forced choice.) I know it seems so to those who witness it, to those left behind, to those who grieve. But I believe Elliot couldn't help it any more than someone could help having a tree falling on top of them. This may be hard to believe. I am offering my belief because I've been there. (Suicidal, not getting hit by a tree -- I would have preferred the tree, myself, a thousand times over.) Lastly, excellent suggestions on honoring Elliot by actively helping those in need on volunteer lines. (When I was an adolescent I used to call these lines and they saved me many a time, so yes they do change lives.) These are really meaningful interventions. Still, I don't think a(nother) memorial would be in lieu of anyone doing that or volunteering in other ways. And I don't think a memorial would be meaningless. Elliot did great work. He touched a lot of people all around the globe. People can come together in love and comfort -- for each other. And the tragic way that Elliot died could spur people to get help, themselves, before it is too late. Maybe there could be a fund or a center or just a helping hand to help someone, a musician or music lover, on the edge. Jill ------------------------------ End of jinglejangle-digest V7 #54 *********************************