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jinglejangle-digest      Saturday, March 25 2000      Volume 03 : Number 041



                               Today's Subjects:
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  [MLL] Re: jinglejangle-digest V3 #40  ["Carsten Wohlfeld" <happyjaq@confet]
  Re: [MLL] Re: jinglejangle-digest V3 #40               [AstralRose@aol.com]
  [MLL] napster, elliott smith and "sugar sugar"  [Rachel Bussel <raquelita8]
  RE: [MLL] Re: jinglejangle-digest V3 #40  ["Bill McNair" <mcnair@cig.mot.c]
  Re: [MLL] Re: jinglejangle-digest V3 #40               [AstralRose@aol.com]
  Re: [MLL] Re: jinglejangle-digest V3 #40  ["Vinyl Junkie" <leapday@goes.co]
  [MLL] pace of change ep    ["Carsten Wohlfeld" <happyjaq@confetti.ruhr.de>]

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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:50:37 +0100
From: "Carsten Wohlfeld" <happyjaq@confetti.ruhr.de>
Subject: [MLL] Re: jinglejangle-digest V3 #40

On 24 Mar 00, at 4:20, lesley wrote:

>     Now I know that was a long rant, but I think part of the goal of this 
> list is to get Mary Lou Lord and other small artists like her recognized 
> more, and I think this is a great way to do it. 

"small artist", huh? i know she ain't no michael jackson or, um,  
madonna, but mary lou does sell a lot of records. i fact i know 
many bands who'd kill to sell as many records. and if it's really 
more "exposure" she'd be after, she would know how to get it, i'm 
sure. 

i kinda like the idea of having more live stuff available, but i don't 
think putting any of her studio recordings on the web would be a 
good idea (apart from the fact that it's probably illegal, too). as far 
as i know 30 sec sound clips of almost all her songs exist on the 
killrockstars.com or mllord.com site but on various online retail-
sites.

i know that some people are looking for the "pace of change" stuff 
and maybe the cute radio version of "she had you", but if there was 
really a huge market for it, sony would've reissued those songs or 
put them out properly and not only as promos.

carsten
- --
http://carstenwohlfeld.de
"people are crazy and times are strange / i'm locked in 
tight, i'm outta range / i used to care but... things 
have changed" (bob dylan)

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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:03:59 EST
From: AstralRose@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MLL] Re: jinglejangle-digest V3 #40

<<  "small artist", huh? i know she ain't no michael jackson or, um,  
 madonna, but mary lou does sell a lot of records. i fact i know 
 many bands who'd kill to sell as many records. and if it's really 
 more "exposure" she'd be after, she would know how to get it, i'm 
 sure. 
 
 i kinda like the idea of having more live stuff available, but i don't 
 think putting any of her studio recordings on the web would be a 
 good idea (apart from the fact that it's probably illegal, too). as far 
 as i know 30 sec sound clips of almost all her songs exist on the 
 killrockstars.com or mllord.com site but on various online retail-
 sites.
 
 i know that some people are looking for the "pace of change" stuff 
 and maybe the cute radio version of "she had you", but if there was 
 really a huge market for it, sony would've reissued those songs or 
 put them out properly and not only as promos.  >>

    Ok, ok, I was trying to sound more noble in my first post than I really 
am. <sheepish grin>. The real reason I'd like to get some Mary Lou rare and 
live songs together is so that us, her fans, can have access to them - I'm 
willing to create a web or FTP site with the ones I get together (which, so 
far, isn't many). As far as I know, Mary Lou doesn't object to the sharing of 
her live stuff, and I think some of us (and I'll take on the main work for 
it) should band together to provide a site that has Nary Lou rarities and 
live shows in mp3 format on it (unless there already is one - if there is, 
someone please point me in the direction of it! :^). I'm not talking about a 
couple of songs, either - I'm talking about everything we can get our hands 
on. If you're like me, I want *more* Mary Lou than she's even offically 
released (oh, that's another thing - no studio songs on this site, unless 
maybe it's like the "Sugar, Sugar" thing from Saturday Morning).
    I'm also wanting to put something like this together for at least Elliott 
Smith and Aimee Mann, too - is anyone with me here? I know, for a lurker I'm 
suddenly coming up and taking a lot of action, but I think that as fans of a 
"smaller" (not completely unknown :^) artists, we need to band together to 
get shared resources. Please e-mail me if you think this is a good idea, and 
especially e-mail me if you'd like to help or have anything to contribute :^).
    Thanks - and if I've offended anyone with my many posting, my deepest 
apologies. :^)

~ Lesley

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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:14:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Rachel Bussel <raquelita8@yahoo.com>
Subject: [MLL] napster, elliott smith and "sugar sugar"

I feel so technologically backwards - I can't listen
to MP3s and even if I could, I don't know how, so I'm
pretty much staying out of this discussion. I do know
that on the elliott smith list
(elliottsmith@onelist.com) some people have set up an
ftp server and they put up lots of his live and
unreleased stuff.

For those of you who like the Saturday Morning
Cartoons CD and "Sugar Sugar" - I highly recommend the
video version of this. It's totally cute and fun, and
has all (I think) the songs from the CD with
accompanying videos. Mary Lou's has her playing and
eating candy and having all these pretty colorful
candies being poured into her guitar case.

And totally diverging from the previous threads, I've
been listening to the new Lois and Brendan (Canty,
from Fugazi) CD that Kill Rock Stars just put out and
it's really beautiful. Much fuller than her previous
albums and more soulful.

:)

Rachel

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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:16:47 -0600
From: "Bill McNair" <mcnair@cig.mot.com>
Subject: RE: [MLL] Re: jinglejangle-digest V3 #40

I'd be glad to help with the web site, but the real problem in doing this
lies with the hardware you'd need to do it properly. The Grateful Dead were
one of the best bands when it came to allowing bootlegs of concerts, but
they had no problems suing webmasters who needed to add advertising to pay
for the bandwidth and equipment need to run a their site. The Dead didn't
seem to want to hear that they were only using the advertising to pay to
keep the web site open. They didn't believe that it was a labor of love, the
felt that it was a profit making enterprise. To do this I think that you
will have to go the mail order route with a few people burning disk for the
ones that don't have them. Maybe do a monthly or quarterly concert.

Anyway, it can be kind of hard to do any trading when your first starting
your collection and have nothing to give in return.

Bill McNair

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-jinglejangle@smoe.org [mailto:owner-jinglejangle@smoe.org]On
Behalf Of AstralRose@aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 12:04 PM
To: jinglejangle@smoe.org
Subject: Re: [MLL] Re: jinglejangle-digest V3 #40


<<  "small artist", huh? i know she ain't no michael jackson or, um,
 madonna, but mary lou does sell a lot of records. i fact i know
 many bands who'd kill to sell as many records. and if it's really
 more "exposure" she'd be after, she would know how to get it, i'm
 sure.

 i kinda like the idea of having more live stuff available, but i don't
 think putting any of her studio recordings on the web would be a
 good idea (apart from the fact that it's probably illegal, too). as far
 as i know 30 sec sound clips of almost all her songs exist on the
 killrockstars.com or mllord.com site but on various online retail-
 sites.

 i know that some people are looking for the "pace of change" stuff
 and maybe the cute radio version of "she had you", but if there was
 really a huge market for it, sony would've reissued those songs or
 put them out properly and not only as promos.  >>

    Ok, ok, I was trying to sound more noble in my first post than I really
am. <sheepish grin>. The real reason I'd like to get some Mary Lou rare and
live songs together is so that us, her fans, can have access to them - I'm
willing to create a web or FTP site with the ones I get together (which, so
far, isn't many). As far as I know, Mary Lou doesn't object to the sharing
of
her live stuff, and I think some of us (and I'll take on the main work for
it) should band together to provide a site that has Nary Lou rarities and
live shows in mp3 format on it (unless there already is one - if there is,
someone please point me in the direction of it! :^). I'm not talking about a
couple of songs, either - I'm talking about everything we can get our hands
on. If you're like me, I want *more* Mary Lou than she's even offically
released (oh, that's another thing - no studio songs on this site, unless
maybe it's like the "Sugar, Sugar" thing from Saturday Morning).
    I'm also wanting to put something like this together for at least
Elliott
Smith and Aimee Mann, too - is anyone with me here? I know, for a lurker I'm
suddenly coming up and taking a lot of action, but I think that as fans of a
"smaller" (not completely unknown :^) artists, we need to band together to
get shared resources. Please e-mail me if you think this is a good idea, and
especially e-mail me if you'd like to help or have anything to contribute
:^).
    Thanks - and if I've offended anyone with my many posting, my deepest
apologies. :^)

~ Lesley

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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:33:07 EST
From: AstralRose@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MLL] Re: jinglejangle-digest V3 #40

<< I'd be glad to help with the web site, but the real problem in doing this
 lies with the hardware you'd need to do it properly. The Grateful Dead were
 one of the best bands when it came to allowing bootlegs of concerts, but
 they had no problems suing webmasters who needed to add advertising to pay
 for the bandwidth and equipment need to run a their site. The Dead didn't
 seem to want to hear that they were only using the advertising to pay to
 keep the web site open. They didn't believe that it was a labor of love, the
 felt that it was a profit making enterprise. To do this I think that you
 will have to go the mail order route with a few people burning disk for the
 ones that don't have them. Maybe do a monthly or quarterly concert.
 
 Anyway, it can be kind of hard to do any trading when your first starting
 your collection and have nothing to give in return.
 
 Bill McNair>>

    I can see why the Dead would sue - I would've too if there was 
advertising on it. However, I have my own web space (I'm not sure how much is 
it is - enough, at least, to rotate a couple of concerts a month, if that's 
what it comes down to), and I don't need to advertise - I don't mind paying 
for everything out of my own pocket (I have pretty much already :^) *if* 
there's an interest in it.
    As for getting the shows - I can trade quite a few Pearl Jam shows, and a 
couple of other things, but again, my problem is that I don't have any Mary 
Lou Lord. :^) Also, I'm not quite sure how you get songs off of a CD - you 
need a ripper, am I right?
    Well, anyway, as I said before, if you would be interested in a site such 
as this one, please let me know - you're in no way obligated to help out, I'd 
just like to know if people would use it. And please spread the word about it 
- - it won't include just Mary Lou, as I said, but Elliott Smith, too, at the 
very least (and hopefuly more - I hold a special place in my heart for the 
band Goodness - has anyone here ever heard of them?). 
    Anyway, any more questions, just aim them my way. And thanks for such a 
warm welcome to a lurker. :^)

~ Lesley

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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:10:45 -0500
From: "Vinyl Junkie" <leapday@goes.com>
Subject: Re: [MLL] Re: jinglejangle-digest V3 #40

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Carsten Wohlfeld <happyjaq@confetti.ruhr.de>
To: <jinglejangle@smoe.org>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 4:50 AM
Subject: [MLL] Re: jinglejangle-digest V3 #40

> i know that some people are looking for the "pace of change" stuff

Carsten et. al.,

Are these actually all gone? I know as soon as I cracked open "Got No
Shadow" and the postcard fell out, I completed it and sent it in and
received my copy of the EP a few weeks later. If this card offer was only
in the initial pressing of the disk and is no longer available, that might
be a good sign that at least Sony is already on to the second pressing.

Jeff

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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:53:42 +0100
From: "Carsten Wohlfeld" <happyjaq@confetti.ruhr.de>
Subject: [MLL] pace of change ep

On 24 Mar 00, at 19:10, jeff  wrote, re: "pace of change" ep:

> Are these actually all gone? I know as soon as I cracked open "Got No
> Shadow" and the postcard fell out, I completed it and sent it in and
> received my copy of the EP a few weeks later. If this card offer was only
> in the initial pressing of the disk and is no longer available, that might
> be a good sign that at least Sony is already on to the second pressing.

it certainly wasn't in the copy i picked up in new york last april. 
actually i haven't figured out yet, how it worked, as i know that 
some copy came with the "mind the gap" ep, too?! at least i 
recently saw a used "got no shadow" with a sticker "includes free 4 
track ep"... as far as i know there were 25,000 copies of "pace of 
changed" pressed.


talking of rarities, i know the "she had you" promo single has a 
radio edit mix in addition to the lp version, does the "lights are 
changing" single on work/sony does only have one track or different 
mixes on it, too?

cheers,
carsten
> Jeff
> 
> 


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http://carstenwohlfeld.de
"i wanna see movies of my dreams" (built to spill)

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