From: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org (jinglejangle-digest) To: jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Subject: jinglejangle-digest V1 #92 Reply-To: jinglejangle@smoe.org Sender: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jinglejangle-digest Friday, May 15 1998 Volume 01 : Number 092 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [MLL] "Southern Students for Choice" [Rachel Kramer Bussel ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:27:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Rachel Kramer Bussel Subject: [MLL] "Southern Students for Choice" Bounced submission I'm forwarding...and 2 comments from me, Rachel: Susie Bright's comparison of Lilith to Michigan Womyn's Music Festival can be found somewhere at www.salon.com at least last time I checked. Also, I doubt Courtney would have wanted to do Lilith (she called Lilith music "wussy" in an interview) and I highly doubt Mary Lou and Courtney would ever be doing a festival together. that's my 2 cents on this. rkb - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Southern Students for Choice" To: jinglejangle@smoe.org Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:38:42 +0000 Subject: anti-Lilith to pro-Lilith As the director and state coordinator of a nonprofit that will be on the road with Lilith, we can maybe make some relavent comments about artists that go from anti-Lilith to pro-Lilith. (We're typing this now from Rhode Island's only 24 hour truckstop, taking a break from driving a station wagon, doing some of the northeastern dates of the Foo Fighters. Go figure.) There were a lot of artists who last year said they were initially lukewarm on the idea of doing Lilith because of it's alleged feminist links.If MLL's comments imply she just recently got over the idea that Lilith is a women-only or seperatist event, we're surprised. Lilith is a great festival tour, but it's a festival tour foremost, not a women-only feminist music festival, which no one really could mistake it for. Susie Bright wrote a great comparison and contrast of Lilith to a feminist music festival, we'll post it or email it privately if someone wants us to. Yes, some artists might not want to do Lilith because it's reaching a different market of (relatively) mainstream teen and young adult women than they are really targeting. Courtney Love might be a good example of this. I don't know if she wanted to do any dates or if she was ever considered, but it would be hard to imagine her opening for Tracy Chapman, for example. Courtney might be better off opening for White Zombie, another band with a prominent female member who I don't think would have wanted to do Lilith. I don't know if Courtney has sent any tapes to the Ozzfest, but maybe she ought to consider doing that. Juliana Hatfield was another artist who made statements early last summer like MLL has made more recently that she was originally wary of doing a festival billed in some ways as a women-only event. Lilith never was that, not even the preview tour that they had in December 1996, it's a festival of women-fronted or-centered bands) but got into it. Juliana's Lilith performances were critically acclaimed, for whatever that's worth, and it was a much better deal for her to do than the more traditional media/club tour circut which didn't sell her latest EP "Do Not Disturb" very well.. Even if there is only a partial coincidence of market between a given artists' style/genre and Lilith's relatively diverse female patronage an artist might well still really want to do it, even if they're a second stage act. Remember the second stage is set up in the concourse, which betweeen main stage acts has several hundered to over a thousand people, more than some of the opening main stage artists would draw in a successful night in a typical club. And remember that's a **guaranteed** draw. So any difference between MLL's desire to do Lilith in the past and now is not politically based, I think, it's more likely that she realizes that given her market and her promotional needs doing Lilith this summer would be a very good thing for her and her fans. Please excuse us, our breakfast is getting cold. Martina and Burl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:50:53 -0400 From: derek Subject: [MLL] laughner yea i live in cleveland and know people that knew laughner (members of cobra verde/death of samantha and other cleve faves)...i've heard that record, take the guitar player fer a ride...does anybody know where the hell mary ever heard of peter? cuz i mean, laughner never really got famous anywhere but cleveland and the only reason people outside of this area ever saw his name was because he wrote reviews for creem and some other things. ciao people. *derek* - -- experiments de la muzika..ELEET Tapes: http://eleettapes.home.ml.org "all music is folk music. i ain't ever heard no horse sing." -louis armstrong Words of Wisdom: 50. If you don't like the news, go out and make some. 21. Your kid may be an honor student, but you are still an idiot. i'm on AOL/Netscape's IMing service, i'm CarCrashh. my ICQ # is 1213364 ------------------------------ End of jinglejangle-digest V1 #92 *********************************