From: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org (jinglejangle-digest) To: jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Subject: jinglejangle-digest V1 #47 Reply-To: jinglejangle@smoe.org Sender: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jinglejangle-digest Friday, March 27 1998 Volume 01 : Number 047 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [MLL] Re: jinglejangle-digest V1 #46 [Bill McNair ] [MLL] Jimmy Bruno/summer [Rachel ] [MLL] Reuters article -- MLL at SxSW [Michael Zwirn ] [MLL] Re: jinglejangle-digest V1 #46 [Zerowork ] [MLL] selling out [Zerowork ] Re: [MLL] sell-out?, etc, etc [SeanJordan ] [MLL] Levi's [Rachel ] [MLL] my two cents worth [John Valter ] RE: [MLL] Jimmy Bruno/summer [John Valter ] [MLL] He Had You [bliss69@juno.com (Jaymes F Horton)] [MLL] Austin, 3/21/98 (long) part 1 [doug319@io.com (doug m)] [MLL] Austin, 3/21/98 (long) test B [doug319@io.com (doug m)] [MLL] Austin, 3/21/98 (long) part 3 [doug319@io.com (doug m)] Re: [MLL] He Had You ["Lee S. Kilpatrick (Mr. Breeze)" ] [MLL] I'm talking to you ["Aaron Alberti"] [MLL] Mary Lou VS Jewel ["Hanson Ho" ] [MLL] I'm Talking To You [Kevin Wan ] Re: [MLL] I'm talking to you [Cinnamon ] [MLL] sell out?!?!?! [Kill Yr Idols ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:58:14 -0600 (CST) From: Bill McNair Subject: [MLL] Re: jinglejangle-digest V1 #46 Look, I'm a new fan and if MLL did as you say sell out then maybe you need to look at the reasons she might have done. First, any artist needs to have people see or hear her/his art; second, do you know how hard it is to sell records independently? The only one, right off the bat, that I can think that is really successful at it is Ani DeFranco. A local band (Chicago) Poi Dog Pondering had a major deal with Columbia and lost it because of health problems with the leaders S.O. and they are now doing it alone and they are happy selling 20,000 albums. No, if she did sell out she did it because she had to, and a successful first album and WORK will give her more of an opportunity to do the kind of music she wants to. Again, I'm not saying she did or didn't sell out, and I really don't care as I love the album, I'm just tryoing to explain why she might have had to do it. Bill McNair "Our contest is not only whether we Member, Knights of Xenu (1997) ourselves shall be free, but whether there mcnair@cig.mot.com shall be left to mankind an asylum on mcnair@enteract.com earth for civil and religious liberty." Samuel Adams (1722-1793) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:59:57 -0500 (EST) From: Rachel Subject: [MLL] Jimmy Bruno/summer That last song "On The Avenue," is by Jimmy Bruno, who also wrote "I'm Talking to You." In '95 in SF he sang "I'm Talking to You" with her at Bottom of the Hill and also another of his songs. Mary Lou said the other night she may do an acoustic tour or something with Elliott this summer, but Rocktropolis/allstar (www.allstarmag.com) reported last week or so about the Vogue/Lilith spread and also had her as a confirmed Lilith act. They both might be right because not all Lilith artists, at least last year, were following the entire tour. I selfishly hope she does the Jones Beach part though. Rachel - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- my Mary Lou Lord page is at http://pages.nyu.edu/~rkb200/ To join the Mary Lou Lord mailing list, email Majordomo@smoe.org with ONLY "subscribe jinglejangle" OR "subscribe jinglejangle-digest" in the BODY. For info on my zine I'M NOT WAITING go to http://pages.nyu.edu/~rkb200/zine.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:15:00 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Zwirn Subject: [MLL] Reuters article -- MLL at SxSW This is a bit from a Reuters article, dateline Austin, TX, by Gary Graff: :Just walking along the bar-packed Sixth Street -- where music fans mingled :with movie folks in town for South By Southwest's film festival -- music :fans could find Mary Lou Lord, promoting her new album ``Got No Shadow,'' :busking in front of a Kinko's and seemingly everywhere but an official :festival showcase. :On Friday night, she was joined by British troubadour Billy Bragg, who :was previewing material from an upcoming album of songs composed for :lyrics Woody Guthrie had written but never recorded. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael J. Zwirn zwirnm@ari.net alm_zwirnm@carleton.edu Kibbutz Music Reviews: http://carleton.edu/~alm_zwirnm/kibbutz.html Current: Victoria Williams and Chris Stills in concert - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:06:43 -0600 (CST) From: Bill McNair Subject: [MLL] Re: jinglejangle-digest V1 #46 After listening to all of the sell out talk I can only say that I'm sick of most of you. My only exposure to MLL has been GNS and I can only say that I love her as an artist. I'd give anything to hear her early stuff but unfortunately most of it will be hard to get. Yes, I've ordered her E.P.'s. None of you seem to know what it takes to be independent and until you walk in MLL shoes you have no reason to complain. Be happy you've got you 12", E.P. and boots and enjoy them and her. I wish I had discovered her a few years earlier. BTW, I, as well as a few of you believe that WORK thinks that MLL is the next Jewel, but I happen to believe that MLL is better that Jewel. Bill McNair "Our contest is not only whether we Member, Knights of Xenu (1997) ourselves shall be free, but whether there mcnair@cig.mot.com shall be left to mankind an asylum on mcnair@enteract.com earth for civil and religious liberty." Samuel Adams (1722-1793) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:16:38 EST From: Zerowork Subject: [MLL] Re: jinglejangle-digest V1 #46 In a message dated 98-03-26 04:37:34 EST, you write: << And I blame it all on the production. >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:37:05 EST From: Zerowork Subject: [MLL] selling out In a message dated 98-03-26 04:37:34 EST, you write: << And I blame it all on the production. >> Which was not done by the major label, just paid for by them, Tom Rothrock and Rob Schnapf produced it, if you don't like their production, that is one thing, 'selling-out' is another....I was there, I know how hard it was for Mary Lou to make this album, and it was the first time she has ever done such a project, which is a big deal and she definitely learned a lot in the studio....and no one has made Mary Lou change....trust me, pepole have tried and failed miserably......there are many people who would love to see MLL wear a dress on stage like Jewel, has anyone seen her do it?.....and would Mary Lou make a commercial...probably, if it was cool, she really liked the Ruby - Mountain Dew commercial.....Luscious Jackson made a decent Gap commercial.....this is how many musicians make a living....and for all the fans of the northwest indie scene I know of a few important artists to that scene who have done commercial work that you will never kow about.....at the end of the day, look at how honest a musician is to the music and themselves...any time someone does press, or tours, or hosts a tv show, they are giving up a little to sell their music...that may be selling out, but this leads to a much larger discussion of how our society values art and how artists are suppossed to pay rent....what does it mean when Sonic Youth gets payed $30,000 to play a show with Built to Spill and Sleater Kinney on a Budweiser sponsored stage? Did all three of those bands sell-out? Do you hate them for it? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:39:56 EST From: SeanJordan Subject: Re: [MLL] sell-out?, etc, etc In a message dated 98-03-25 19:21:12 EST, you write: << So Mary Lou had a big time production job on GNS. Big deal, I mean, what's wrong with some polish. it doesn't mean she's a sell out. She hasn't had any of her music in a commerical yet, which to me world be something of a sell out-but it wouldn't make me like her any less. >> Oh god, I know some have already addressed this, but I just think the whole "sell-out" topic is so deconstructive, and so much that "I'm-better-than-you- because-I-like-bands-you've-never-heard-of"-kinda additude. It is my opinion that you should like a musician because of the music they make, otherwise don't you realize that you are just wrapped up in the image yourself? As a fan of great songs, I want as many people in the world as possible to hear songs I like. You should be happy when these beautiful songs find a new market, and another thing, I feel music is an ever-growing artform that is constantly building upon what has come before, and a single artist can often make an ever-lasting impression on his/her entire genre - I for one want the sounds I like to blossom. Now as far as selling out, with you saying she'd be a sell-out if her song appeared in a commercial... Is there any difference between that and Mary Lou appearing in a LEVI'S add that will soon appear in VOGUE magazine? I've had my fair share of experience in the music industry, I think I have a good grasp of marketing, and I just don't really believe musicians that only want their material heard by an elite group of snobs. As far as commercials go, I think the LUSCIOUS JACKSON GAP ads are fantastic and catchy, and I love the fact that in recent years, many companies are turning to lesser-known acts to give their commercials more appeal. I love that VICTORIA'S SECRET is now using MASSIVE ATTACK in a commercial, and I love the new VW commercial I saw last night that features The ORB's "Little Fluffy Clouds." (VW is also using STEREOLAB, HURRICANE #1, SPIRITUALIZED, and FLUKE in this campaign...) ... And would your theory of commercials apply to songs appearing in film as well? You can take this to its farest extent with Elliott and GOOD WILL HUNTING, but even Mary Lou has had a song featured in a film before, and it was a Pauly Shore film (BioDome)... <> <> I gotta say, I agree with the above two comments... I've been keeping my hands across my mouth from going on and on about the album, but I'll touch upon that lightly.... Do I think GNS is a great album? Yes. Do I think it is the best Mary Lou can do? Not at all. But ask me again in a few weeks... See, I hope you'll agree that a great album does not a first listen make. Yes, I can love an album after the first time I listen to it, but often the albums I end up liking the most are those where I fall for one song, and then another, and then another, having brief affairs with each track as they are added into my own life. The first time I listened to GNS was in a room full of people who hadn't heard Mary Lou before, and they really loved the songs. I've heard a number of the tracks on it and missed the acoustic sound of hers I love, but still really liked it. When I first was introduced to Mary Lou through a 7" for "somejinglejanglemorning," I listened to it again and again, and still liked it more than her first EP for a couple of months, likewise with the 2nd EP (though I don't think it took me quite as long...), I was just so smitten by these songs that it took me a few listens to take them up to that level of being smitten-able. And likewise with GNS... I really hadn't listened to it that much since it came out, for no real reason than I've been listening to alot of radio, etc, etc, and I can always go back to GNS and enjoy it. Well this has started to change since I saw her play the other week, and I find myself popping the disc in more and more... ~sean ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:41:15 -0500 (EST) From: Rachel Subject: [MLL] Levi's To continue this rapidly-getting-worn-out thread, how is appearing in a Levi's ad or whatever different from the Levi's Live From the Road tour diary? People don't have to read that tour diary (there's a link to it from www.mllord.com if you click on NEWS) but I find it really fascinating and if it took Levi's to do that, great. I like Mary Lou's music, whether she's making it on the street, subway, for KRS or for WORK. I understand people disliking the album, you don't have to like the album just because you like her older stuff or anything, but again, the album is Mary Lou's creation, with help from many other people, but hers ultimately because she orchestrated how she wanted the songs to finally appear on the album. No, I don't *like* the fact that to see, say, Ani DiFranco in Central Park I have to support a company that I may not believe in, but my other choice is not to see her, and that is not what I want to do. Then again, the Virginia Slims-sponsored club tours very much rankle me, but why shouldn't beer and tobacco companies not be supporting music, when they support sports and other fields? Ultimately it helps them, which I don't really care about, but if being in a Levi's ad helps Mary Lou, then I do care. I think we should be able to separate how we feel about the music from the other issues involved. Like, Alex, you don't like the album that much, because of the music, and I guess because you perceive her having changed to get on the radio, etc., but *if* you did like the album then I assume that her reasons for making it sound this way would not bother you. That I understand, but the "sellout" part I do not, and I also think it's unfair because many people are discovering Mary Lou right now, and will likely seek out her older work, but if she didn't have this new album out now and the attention from the media/radio, these people might never have heard of her. - -- Rachel - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- my Mary Lou Lord page is at http://pages.nyu.edu/~rkb200/ To join the Mary Lou Lord mailing list, email Majordomo@smoe.org with ONLY "subscribe jinglejangle" OR "subscribe jinglejangle-digest" in the BODY. For info on my zine I'M NOT WAITING go to http://pages.nyu.edu/~rkb200/zine.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:30:39 -0600 From: John Valter Subject: [MLL] my two cents worth I'll throw in my opinion about Mary Lou not playing guitar on the new album. The new album is solid, albeit a slight departure. I don't have a problem with her not playing guitar, and in no way is she "selling out," whatever the fuck that really means anymore. But I am bothered by the fact that the cover pictures her with a guitar. Not overly bothered, but I think it was a bad decision on somebody's part. Anyway, saw Steve Earle at the House of Blues last nite. Amazing, as always. Spoke with after the show and asked him what was in heavy rotation on the bus right now. Time Out of Mind by Mr.Zimmerman, the new Mavericks album, and, yep you guessed it, Got No Shadow, which made me extremely proud because I gave him a copy of the KRS release back in 1996. Jay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:54:42 -0600 From: John Valter Subject: RE: [MLL] Jimmy Bruno/summer Mary Lou told me at the New Orleans show that she would indeed be doing an acoustic tour w/ Elliott this summer. She was very evasive about the Lilith Fair deal, but all signs point to her doing the tour. It is very possible that she could do both, even playing the entire Lilith tour as it's not gonna last ALL summer. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Rachel [SMTP:rkb200@is5.nyu.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 26, 1998 6:00 AM To: Some Jingle Jangle List Subject: [MLL] Jimmy Bruno/summer That last song "On The Avenue," is by Jimmy Bruno, who also wrote "I'm Talking to You." In '95 in SF he sang "I'm Talking to You" with her at Bottom of the Hill and also another of his songs. Mary Lou said the other night she may do an acoustic tour or something with Elliott this summer, but Rocktropolis/allstar (www.allstarmag.com) reported last week or so about the Vogue/Lilith spread and also had her as a confirmed Lilith act. They both might be right because not all Lilith artists, at least last year, were following the entire tour. I selfishly hope she does the Jones Beach part though. Rachel - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - --- my Mary Lou Lord page is at http://pages.nyu.edu/~rkb200/ To join the Mary Lou Lord mailing list, email Majordomo@smoe.org with ONLY "subscribe jinglejangle" OR "subscribe jinglejangle-digest" in the BODY. For info on my zine I'M NOT WAITING go to http://pages.nyu.edu/~rkb200/zine.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:35:50 -0500 From: bliss69@juno.com (Jaymes F Horton) Subject: [MLL] He Had You I was wondering if anyone has the Bevis Frond's "He Had You," and if the lyrics are different (beside's the he's and she's) from Mary Lou's version, "She Had You." If so, can someone give me those lyrics? Thanks! Jaymes _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:32:05 GMT From: doug319@io.com (doug m) Subject: [MLL] Austin, 3/21/98 (long) part 1 On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:08:01 -0500 (EST), Rachel wrote: >Only bad >thing about yesterday was Mary Lou having had to cancel the planned >Berkeley instore because she wasn't feeling well and was tired from SXSW. >THat sounds like it was a blast. I had been hoping someone would write about sxsw, at least someone finally mentioned it. I've been meaning to write for awhile, but I'm still recovering. I'm sure many of you would have spent friday and saturday following mary lou from show to show, but life is full of choices and there is so much going on during sxsw, especially if you purchase a wristband. to give an example, on thursday we saw fred eaglesmith, sonic youth, a techno band called perfume tree, ian maclagen, a blues band from dallas, joe ely and others, and i was still disappointed i missed the calexico/op8/giant sand show. on friday we weren't even in austin. on saturday we saw mary lou's instore at urban outfitters and later busking on 6th street. she played other places on saturday too, but there were a lot of good bands playing all at the same time, and some I would not even be able to see once. anyway........ - -- doug m south austin doug319@io.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:34:32 GMT From: doug319@io.com (doug m) Subject: [MLL] Austin, 3/21/98 (long) test B Urban Outfitter's instore - first of all, this age of the internet is kind of weird. some of the stories she told I had heard from the webcast of the westbeth show, but she also mentioned the troubadour show with elliott and minnie driver, which had been a couple days earlier. I hadn't seen the cybercast but had already read reviews here on the list. anyway the songs she played at the instore were: I'm talkin' to you, ND world, I figured you out, western union desperate, she had you, lamest flame, that kind of girl, two boats, lights are changing,and polaroids, in roughly that order although I may have missed one or two. for the longest time my favorite mary lou song had been 'the bridge' until I heard 'I figured you out' on the webcast. I had always liked this song, but when she performs it by herself it is just so beautiful, even on the web with all the hum and static. mary lou says it is a pissed off song and who am I to argue, but I hear it a different way, a bittersweet but ultimately optimistic song about realizing you have made a bad emotional investment and realizing that it is time to cut your losses and move on. anyway, hearing it live with just mary lou's voice and guitar it is just so beautiful and I wish the people talking would just shut up and listen to it. it's interesting to hear 'she had you' performed solo. personally, I think most of mary lou's songs sound best this way, but I like the recordings with the loud guitars. I like the gns version of this song better, but this version is good too. I first heard 'lamest flame' performed in this store a year ago, with mary lou singing the guitar parts and talking about making an album with a band and recording an acoustic disc to be given away with the first ten thousand of them. I still like this version better. I've heard the song 'two boats' but never really stopped to listen. She compared it to the movie kramer vs. kramer, and did say that if they were making a movie like that today, that she would push to get this song on the soundtrack. This is the first time I have listened to the words of this song. as I said, I think most of the songs sound best performed solo, but to hear them first with a band makes them seem more intense when you hear them in a different setting, with the other instruments stripped away. since mary lou played the song I would have requested early on, I had been thinking of another and wanted to ask for 'that kind of girl' but could not think of the name of it to save my life......I kept singing the song in my head while she played other songs, but couldn't get to the title. I've never heard her play this live before, and it kind of freaked me out when she did, since I had been thinking of it. as she got to the line "she liked smashing pumpkins, she'll smash one on your head", I turned around hoping to see someone laugh or at least smile. no one did (except me). that line always cracks me up, no matter how many times I hear it. before she plays 'lights are changing' she tells an interesting story. when nick solomon had been writing this song he had come to a bit of an impasse and the TV was playing a children's show, champion the wonder horse, in the background. mary lou then sings the theme of the show "like a silver bullet from a gun an arrow from a bow, like an equine star you'll hear about him everywhere you go, champion........." I'd never paid attention to the lyrics to lights are changing, but sure enough it includes the theme of an english tv show. for her last song, she plays 'polaroids'. this song and another one by elliott smith were the ones that had first caught my attention when I heard her play them busking on sixth street two years ago. I had heard her say before that she always saves this song for last, and had thought it was because it has a special meaning to her but this time she mentioned it's because it's in an open tuning. doh ! she asks the people who had requested it earlier if they know all the words, in case she forgets a few. after the song she tells of watching shawn colvin write this song a few lines at a time over a long period of time. I've seen her do this once before, and find it odd....playing her last song and then telling a story about it. oh well, mary lou is off to play at waterloo and we are off to see the free concert in the park................. - -- doug m south austin doug319@io.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:35:42 GMT From: doug319@io.com (doug m) Subject: [MLL] Austin, 3/21/98 (long) part 3 ............on the way back from seeing los straightjackets at waterloo brewing company, we walk towards kinko's, which is mary lou's corner. there is a bit of a crowd listening to her sing western union desperate, this time with the cure coda. I try to nonchalantly drop a dollar in her case, but the wind takes it just a bit, so i pick it up and try again, turn to mary lou and shrug my shoulders, and my friend and I are off across town again. an hour (or is it two) later I have separated from my friend, and pass by kinko's. this time she is playing polaroids. part of me thinks that mary lou remembers seeing me at the instore [I swear she looked right at me :-) ] and remembers me missing with my dollar last time, but in reality I know that she watches people come and go all day long. in any case, I wad my dollar up as small as possible this time make sure not to miss. it was so small, I think she looked to see what it was, but I am off to see the john doe thing (who rocked !!!) another hour later I pass by again. she is playing an unfamiliar song. she thanks me for giving her a dollar and this time I am a comedian playing to an audience of myself: "hey, I have to go see johhny winter, can you play I figured you out". I had no idea how she would react, but she just smiled sweetly and said "sure". As she tells a condensed version of the story of elliott being nominated for an oscar, I kneel down a few feet away. the crowd tonight is very quiet as she plays, and it is such a beautiful song, it's as if she is playing it just for me, and actually she is playing it for me! I give her a dollar, tell her "thanks a lot", and I'm off to see johnny winter. another hour later I return, it is 2am and all the clubs are closed. someone else is finishing playing a song on mary lou's guitar, she takes it and plays lodi (the ccr song). this is more like the mary lou i first saw here on this corner two years ago, the rest of the songs are unfamiliar to me. a pink floyd song, a request (for a joy division song i think) where she asks 'how does it start', starts playing then asks 'how does the chorus go ?' then finally gives up. a few more songs, then 'junior', her power supply runs out of juice (people had apparently given her a hard time about plugging it into the wall, 'stealing electricity'. i ask the guy selling cd's which ones he has, hoping to find mind the gap, but end up buying the krs '45 of western union desperate, which rocks! it occurs to me to ask if he is on the internet and of course he is zerowork who had gotten me on the list to friday's sony party, although i was 200 miles away in dallas that day. he is very friendly and it is the second time that night that I have met a faceless name from the 'net. mary lou signs my friend's cd and asks if anyone has a cigarette. someone else beats me to it, but she asks if she can still have one of mine for the ride back. I give her three and tell her they are very light, that she should break the filters off. someone tells her there is a convenient store near by and she offers them back, but I'll not let her return my small gift, even though I know they are too light and she'll probably end up throwing them away. I tell her that I had first seen her playing in this spot two years ago, had thought she was from austin, and that I'm glad to see she is doing so well. I'm still disappointed I missed mary lou's show here with her band a few weeks ago, but given a choice I would prefer to watch her play in front of kinko's for an hour anyway. I really hope she will continue to play here during sxsw, and advise any of you on the list to come down next year if she does, whether it is to follow mary lou around town, or like me to see as many bands as you can (there is quite a selection to choose from). It's been chilly the last couple years and we're about due for one with really beautiful weather. hope y'all enjoyed my story. as I said, I'm not much of a writer. - -- doug m south austin doug319@io.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 98 15:42:35 -0500 From: "Lee S. Kilpatrick (Mr. Breeze)" Subject: Re: [MLL] He Had You > I was wondering if anyone has the Bevis Frond's "He Had You," and if the > lyrics are different (beside's the he's and she's) from Mary Lou's > version, "She Had You." If so, can someone give me those lyrics? > Thanks! He sells windows, whereas she sells makeup. The lyrics aren't included with the Bevis Frond CD (you have to send in to get them), but I'll try and do a comparison to the Mary Lou Lord version soon & let you know any other differences. Lee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:56:54 -0800 From: "Aaron Alberti" Subject: [MLL] I'm talking to you Does anyone have the lyrics to I'm talking to you. I know Jimmy Bruno wrote it but I can't find the lyrics on the internet. Aa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:13:52 PST From: "Hanson Ho" Subject: [MLL] Mary Lou VS Jewel I personally don't think its fair to compare Mary Lou with Jewel. Although their music is similar, they target audience is TOTALLY different. Yes, when you listen to their CDs, there is a faint similarity, but the singles are what the general public will use to judge an artist. Foolish Games and You Were Meant for Me are probably the worst 2 songs on the album, yet the adult contemporary listening sector likes it! Lights Are Changing, on the other hand, appeals to (generally) a younger audience while the last 2 Jewel singles appeal to a more, shall we say, more Celine Dion-inclined audience. (though I don't want to compare the Dion with Jewel cos she can't write songs or play instruments) Who Will Save Your Soul? kicks ass. That, along with a few other Jewel songs, are the reasons why mary lou is being compared to jewel. I like them both, but I still think Mary Lou is better. ps I just got a fanatsy baseball team at cnnsi.com called MaryLouLord! preem ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:25:45 -0800 From: Kevin Wan Subject: [MLL] I'm Talking To You Here are the lyrics to the best of my knowledge. I did these for my webpage, but I haven't gotten around to putting anything up on it yet. I'm sure there are some errors, but for the most part I think they are accurate. Enjoy. "I'm Talking To You" Well I was high and mighty for quite a long time Doing what was natural just to try to unwind Then I took a tumble and promises were mumbled Fixing that I know, I wake up in this jungle I feel my heart is pumping to the beat of the band Certain things have happened that I dont understand Everyone is glarin, the saxaphone's blarin Hope you understand but I just can't keep from starin I'm talking to you I'm talking to you I'm talking to you Well I walk around town with a dime store smile Tryin to find a little comfort tryin to show a little style Men try to fake me and others try to take it Never really sure if you're ever gonna break it Sittin in this bar, I'm almost broke Chokin on emotion and your cigarette smoke As long as you can pay the band is gonna play Hope you understand but I feel I gotta say it I'm talking to you I'm talking to you I'm talking to you I'm sittin in this bar, and I'm almost broke Chokin on emotion and your cigarette smoke As long as you can pay the band is gonna play Hope you understand what I feel I'm talking to you (can you hear me singin) I'm talking to you (can you hear me baby) I'm talking to you Nobody but you Yes I am Yes I am Ciao... Kev - ------------------------------------------- My Mary Lou Lord Webpage at http://members.aol.com/mloulord ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:32:53 -0500 From: Cinnamon Subject: Re: [MLL] I'm talking to you You can find the lyrics (and the guitar tablature!) on another MLL site called MY INDIE WORLD at http://www.rpi.edu/~wolfeb/lord/talking.txt - --Cinnamon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:46:48 -0800 (PST) From: Kill Yr Idols Subject: [MLL] sell out?!?!?! << Can't we simply enjoy the flight of MLL? Why does it have to come back to the issues of lack of her integrity or selling out? Don't make that an issue, she is allowed to grow and change. Parts of her and her music will always be the "same old same old." But please don't slam her and call her a sell out. You need to have confidence and trust in her judgement. In other words, leave her alone, if you have nothing nice to say, then say nothing at all.(didn't you learn that in kindergarten?) Thanks for listening>> In responce to this and all the others...fine she didn't sell out I don't care what you call it I just don't like the way it was produced...I don't care if she did it or GOD or WORK...it dosn't fucking matter to me...the music just dosn't grab me...as far as selling out in general...I think it happens when your muiscal desisions are made on not enterially artistic merits...I don't really care if she does a levi add...I mean she will get alot of money just for a day of having sombody take pictures of her...it has nothing to do with her music...if she sells a song to a VW commercial as it is...what does it matter? It's all about the music pure and simple...and I liked the way the older stuff sounded alot more then GNS...not that I don't like it just that I like the other stuff alot more...and it isn't even like I am one of those supper diy people that thinks everything should be mixed on a crappy 4-track in yr bathroom or whatever...but this big budget bland pop production didn't work for MLL or I guess for me here... - -Alex turneral@elwha.evergreen.edu http://192.211.16.13/individuals/turneral/home.htm ------------------------------ End of jinglejangle-digest V1 #47 *********************************