From: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org (jinglejangle-digest) To: jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Subject: jinglejangle-digest V1 #46 Reply-To: jinglejangle@smoe.org Sender: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jinglejangle-digest Thursday, March 26 1998 Volume 01 : Number 046 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [MLL] Mary Lou LEVI? [BlueKin ] [MLL] Naive Melody [ouellette@deccxl.zko.dec.com (Roland G. Ouellette)] [MLL] test [doug319@io.com (doug m)] [MLL] sell-out? [Kill Yr Idols ] [MLL] sell-out? (fwd) ["Mark Anthony Miazga" ] Re: [MLL] sell-out? ["Lee S. Kilpatrick (Mr. Breeze)" ] [MLL] the pace of change ["Matt P." ] Re: [MLL] sell-out? [LisaTski ] [MLL] Re: jinglejangle-digest V1 #45 [Clipamp ] [MLL] Selling Out [Cinnamon ] Re: [MLL] sell-out? [AWeiss4338 ] [MLL] (pace of change)? [bliss69@juno.com (Jaymes F Horton)] [MLL] Re: More guitars [Vercors ] Re: [MLL] (pace of change)? [AWeiss4338 ] Re: [MLL] sell-out? [Moshe96 ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:05:38 EST From: BlueKin Subject: [MLL] Mary Lou LEVI? FROM ALLSTAR MAGAZINE: So far the details are sketchy and being kept tightly under wraps, but a spokesperson for Levi Strauss has confirmed that the company is working out the particulars on an eight page Vogue magazine spread featuring artists on this year's Lilith Fair roster. "It's a work in progress," said the spokesperson, "but we have no information yet." A representative for Sarah McLachlan claims that she'd heard little of the deal and pleaded no comment, while Lilith Fair representatives were similarily secretive. Mary Lou Lord's managment, however, has confirmed that the singer is definitely "going to do" the advertising spread... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:31:26 -0500 From: ouellette@deccxl.zko.dec.com (Roland G. Ouellette) Subject: [MLL] Naive Melody > including my request, that Talking Heads song "This Must Be The Place" (I > think that's the name). Shawn Colvin plays it too and Mary Lou said it's > from the movie "Wall Street." The Talking Heads/David Byrne song is called Naive Melody (except that the dot on the i really should be a diaeresis). Shawn Colvin did the arangement with the interesting guitar part. Of the songs that Mary Lou covers, it is my favorite. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:00:52 GMT From: doug319@io.com (doug m) Subject: [MLL] test test - -- doug m south austin doug319@io.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:16:08 -0800 (PST) From: Kill Yr Idols Subject: [MLL] sell-out? <> This basically summs up what you were all saying...and all I have to say is read that interview in spin with her and elliott where she says that she bent to the will of WORK...no I dunno what this was for but it means that she was willing to sell-out...I mean listen to the production on the album if you didn't know mary lou before you would really belive all the jewle and what not comparisons...the album has such a major label over-production to it that it is hard not to say it just a little... - -Alex turneral@elwha.evergreen.edu http://192.211.16.13/individuals/turneral/home.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:28:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Mark Anthony Miazga" Subject: [MLL] sell-out? (fwd) > This basically summs up what you were all saying...and all I have to say > is read that interview in spin with her and elliott where she says that > she bent to the will of WORK...no I dunno what this was for but it means > that she was willing to sell-out...I mean listen to the production on the > album if you didn't know mary lou before you would really belive all the > jewle and what not comparisons...the album has such a major label > over-production to it that it is hard not to say it just a little... I agree with you, Alex. I think "Got No Shadow" is a good album, but nowhere near her earlier work, which is awe-inspiring. Just listen to the two versions of "Lights are changing". It's not just the fact that she was backed-up by a band. It the fact that the production took whatever raw power that song had, making it just a pop song -- albeit a really good one. GNS is a sellout, but rarely has one sounded so good. Still, it is unfortunate that this sounding good is at the expense of artistry, because before she sounded good AND moved me. Here, she just sounds good. And I blame it all on the production. The only song that REALLY does anything for me right now is "Shake Shugaree," which has some really neat, un-over-produced guitar work (from Elliot Smith, but he and MLL both have distinct and original styles so that's okay that it's not from her), and MLL's voice in its best sound ever. That's my opinion. The album's okay (I think a 7.5 or 8 out of ten), but not where it could have been. Mark - -- Mark A. Miazga miazgama@pilot.msu.edu "Cynicism isn't smarter. Michigan State University It's just easier." 206 East Akers Hall, M.S.U. East Lansing, MI 48825-1372 -- Jewel Kilcher (517) 353-2083 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 98 15:31:37 -0500 From: "Lee S. Kilpatrick (Mr. Breeze)" Subject: Re: [MLL] sell-out? > This basically summs up what you were all saying...and all I have to say > is read that interview in spin with her and elliott where she says that > she bent to the will of WORK...no I dunno what this was for but it means > that she was willing to sell-out...I mean listen to the production on the > album if you didn't know mary lou before you would really belive all the > jewle and what not comparisons...the album has such a major label > over-production to it that it is hard not to say it just a little... I feel really bad for Jewel. I saw her open for Bob Dylan a couple years ago, after her first hit single came out and she had gained some popularity. She wore jeans & a T-shirt onstage, and was really quite unassuming. It was just her & her acoustic guitar. Since then, her image has been quite a glamourous one. In all the subsequent videos she is heavily made-up, and wearing long gowns and such. There is much more of a sexual atmospere about them. I can only attribute this to record company pressure, though of course Jewel (and/or her management) may have come up with this on their own. I was concerned that Mary Lou Lord was also changing her image to fit with her major label deal. I The last time I saw her in concert, she was wearing thise high boots, and was "dressed like a rock star" in a somewhat glamourous manner. When she attended the Bevis Frond concert last fall in Boston, she ws dressed the same way. It seems like this is not the case now, at least all the time, as the concert photos I have seen posted by people here have had more of a "jeans & t-shirt" style. Also on Conan's show she was not particularly glammed-up. Lee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:18:01 PST From: "Matt P." Subject: [MLL] the pace of change I've had a problem recently w/ my mail going to the wrong house, and don't always know if it all gets to me. This has made me a bit paranoid after hearing of people receiving the "pace of change" CD around this time; to ease my anxiety I was wondering if anyone on this list would be willing to to trade/sell me a tape of it if it doesn't arrive within a week or so. hopefully this won't be necessary. thanks -Matt Phelps- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:21:25 EST From: LisaTski Subject: Re: [MLL] sell-out? First let me start with this... opinions are like Ass*oles. everyone has one. Some are just bigger and make more noise than others. Can't we simply enjoy the flight of MLL? Why does it have to come back to the issues of lack of her integrity or selling out? Don't make that an issue, she is allowed to grow and change. Parts of her and her music will always be the "same old same old." But please don't slam her and call her a sell out. You need to have confidence and trust in her judgement. In other words, leave her alone, if you have nothing nice to say, then say nothing at all.(didn't you learn that in kindergarten?) Thanks for listening Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:23:52 EST From: Clipamp Subject: [MLL] Re: jinglejangle-digest V1 #45 In a message dated 98-03-25 04:30:18 EST, you write: > Although I do like her self titled ep as much as you do, I think GNS is > great as well even if she doesn't play guitar on it. Your implying that > she's a sell out on GNS makes me want to wretch if you truly believe what > you are saying. I guarantee you that if you go to see her in concert, > you'll know what I mean. Not only can this woman play and sing, she's > definitely not a sellout. i've seen her solo twice, and on conan. i HATED the conan appearance. i LOVED the two mary lou solo performances.. - -peter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:15:29 -0500 From: Cinnamon Subject: [MLL] Selling Out Regarding Kill Yer Idols' reference to the SPIN Interview of Elliott by MLL, she actually says the following in the article: MLL: I wouldn't want to change to fit any kind of format, but there are a few changes that I made on the new record - compromises, maybe - with the production. Because I do want the songs to get the fairest shake they can. And if it has to sound a particular way to get on the radio, we've done that. it's like a beauty pageant. And the only way that I could get in is if I wore a blue bathing suit. [Laughter] And it wasn't much effort to say, "All right, instead of the purple one I'll wear the blue one." ********************* When I interviewed MLL back in September, she mentioned about a million times in the interview that what she really wants to do is eventually have her own Publishing company. That way, the next Nick or Elliott will have a champion with some resources. When I asked her about the songs she chooses to perform and the songs she has always chosen, she got this sparkle in her eye talking about Nick's music and Elliott's music and Freedy's music and she talked about how much work it is to "dig up these songs" but that it's totally worth it, if she can give them a "longer life." To me, that's what she's saying in the quote above. If she can get 1 million people to hear one of Nick's songs by using a different type of production then it's worth it, because the song deserves to be heard. I spent a decent amount of time with Mary Lou that particular day, and it was not too long after recording & production were finished. She mentioned that she knew there was a lot more things that could've (or maybe should've) been done in terms of production, but that she was really kind of working on her own with some very nice producers that were not taking a very ACTIVE role in terms of advice. They were trying to allow her to make final decisions and let her give a focus to the production, but she stated that she's not a producer and had actually been hoping for more direction from them. I have been seeing and listening to MLL for about 4 years now & other than the fact that she no longer seems blasted by her own nervousness on stage, she is very much the same. She stands in the crowd during every band who opens for her (almost every nite) and talks to anybody and everybody who approaches her...having to be literally DRAGGED away by managers and band members. To me, "selling out" means forgetting your roots or ignoring those who helped you or stood by you in the past. I don't think Mary Lou has done either of those things. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course. GOT NO SHADOW is very different than previous works and I agree it doesn't strike me the same way. But, it has nothing to do with the politics behind the making of it, more my own preference for the marriage of MLL's sweet voice and her solo jangly guitar stylings. I'll step off the soapbox now...sorry for rambling - --Cinnamon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:15:31 EST From: AWeiss4338 Subject: Re: [MLL] sell-out? So Mary Lou had a big time production job on GNS. Big deal, I mean, what's wrong with some polish. it doesn't mean she's a sell out. She hasn't had any of her music in a commerical yet, which to me world be something of a sell out-but it wouldn't make me like her any less. And inicdently I like the production of her EP's too. Compromising is not a bad thing either, everyone does it at times. No flaming meant to anyone. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:58:37 -0500 From: bliss69@juno.com (Jaymes F Horton) Subject: [MLL] (pace of change)? I finally got the pace of change in the mail today, but I don't see any songwriter credits on it. Can someone tell me who the respective songwriters are? Thanks! Jaymes _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:57:50 EST From: Vercors Subject: [MLL] Re: More guitars Interesting that it takes me something like this to get me to make my first post to the list, but of all the mailing lists I belong to, this is perhaps the single most annoying thread Ive ever run across. On a musical note, although I've been a fan of MLL for a few years now, anyone wthat would seriously want to burn her record (figuratively or seriously) because she had the opportunity to have NICK SALOMAN and ROGER MCGUINN--both of whom have a volume of extraordinary guitar work to fall back on-- play guitar on the record really needs to go back for another round of shock therapy. First and foremost, who on earth has the right to demand of an artist that she not be able to make her own choices as to who plays on her record in order to maintain some self-proclaimed purity? Last time I checked, my CD said Mary Lou Lord on the spine, not the name of any member of this list. You don't like it. listen to something else. One question, though--did you like the record BEFORE you found out who was playing on it? How different does it sound now? And what about the fact that Saloman did most of the writing on the album? Maybe it's just fortunate that I've been a Bevis Frond fan for a lot longer than Mary Lou Lord has been releasing records, but that's not really the point either. This sort of thing is typical on indie-type music lists--as soon as an artist receives a little well-deserved exposure, some people have to find reasons to trash the artist's work, for no other reason than she's not our little secret any more. Grow up. Grow the $#@% up. Big kids know how to share. And look, I made the point without sounding like I signed a sponsorship deal with the letter "f," too. Anyone want to talk about MUSIC now? Thank you. Thank you very much. Ventingly, J. - -------------------------------- If it sounds good, it is good --Duke Ellington - -------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:56:01 EST From: AWeiss4338 Subject: Re: [MLL] (pace of change)? Richard Thompson, Nick Salomen, Billy Bragg and someone named J Bruno (?). Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:04:44 EST From: Moshe96 Subject: Re: [MLL] sell-out? mary lou did not sell out. maybe she just wanted a little change in direction. maybe she wanted people to appreciate the songs. maybe she wanted a lot of things. it is not for us to judge. either you can appreciate her talent or you can shut up. if you don't like it, don't listen to it. don't sit there and bitch about it. personally, i like GNS, especially Down Along The Lea. it has such a different, ecclectic sound -- one of the best songs on the cd.. anyway, that's all i have to say - -jenny- ------------------------------ End of jinglejangle-digest V1 #46 *********************************