From: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org (jinglejangle-digest) To: jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Subject: jinglejangle-digest V1 #45 Reply-To: jinglejangle@smoe.org Sender: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jinglejangle-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jinglejangle-digest Wednesday, March 25 1998 Volume 01 : Number 045 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [MLL] Re: jinglejangle-digest V1 #39 ["Hanson Ho" ] Re: [MLL] MLL Guitars [AWeiss4338 ] [MLL] I guess I must be having fun [Rachel ] Re: [MLL] I guess I must be having fun ["Lee S. Kilpatrick (Mr. Breeze)"] [MLL] MLL in philly [Moshe96 ] [MLL] the bevis frond [Moshe96 ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:02:06 PST From: "Hanson Ho" Subject: Re: [MLL] Re: jinglejangle-digest V1 #39 >yes. and someone tell me (rachel, maybe you'd know), why the hell >would you like not play a guitar on your record if you know how to >play it?! does that make any sense at all? and if this is something >to do with the major label deal, forget it, i had much more respect >for mary lou than that. personally, if i were on an indie label and >was about to break through on a major label, NO DEAL, no matter how >good the money, would make me drop my instrument, and basically leave >no musical mark of my own WHATSOEVER on my major label record. it's >rediculous. if that is the case, i really don't like mary lou >anymore,and would definetly participate in a "got no shadow" record >burning party. I don't think WORK told her not to play, you stupid piece of shit. If that were the case, then nobody on any major labels would be playing their own instruments. It was probably Mary Lou's choice, and I don't condemn her for not playing. She plays, and plays well, during live gigs and just cos she didn't play on GNS don't mean she's a "sell-out" Yes, that must be what you're trying to get at: the fact that Mary Lou, to you, is a "sell out". Well, for that, you deserve a painful anal probing. Signing a major record deal doesn't make her a sell out; rapidly changing her image (ie courtney love, alanis) is! She didn't sell out, you dumb fuck! For a person who can't spell ridiculous , "rediculous" (my spelling is probably wrong too...), you sure are! Got No Shadow burning party... fuck that! If anything should be burnt, it would have to be the song thief himself, puff "I'm a fucking moron and I deserve to be neutered" daddy! Sorry if you're offended, but when I'm pissed, I'm pissed! preem ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:43:56 -0500 From: vdd103@psu.edu (Van Duong) Subject: [MLL] MLL Guitars >yes. and someone tell me (rachel, maybe you'd know), why the hell would you >like not play a guitar on your record if you know how to play it?! does that >make any sense at all? and if this is something to do with the major label >deal, forget it, i had much more respect for mary lou than that. personally, >if i were on an indie label and was about to break through on a major label, >NO DEAL, no matter how good the money, would make me drop my instrument, and >basically leave no musical mark of my own WHATSOEVER on my major label record. >it's rediculous. if that is the case, i really don't like mary lou anymore, >and would definetly participate in a "got no shadow" record burning party. the >previous releases on krs are GREAT, especially the self-titled ep. i could >listen to that a million times and just love it more and more. What you're saying here is pretty dumb if you think about it. You would totally disregard everything an artist has done (and done well I might add) and not like this artist anymore just based on the pure fact that she doesn't play guitar on her new album. It's not like she has no talent and can't play guitar well and needs someone else to do it for her. It doesn't make her any less a great musician nor does it diminish my respect for her musical abilities or my love for her music if she chooses for some reason not to play guitar on "Got No Shadow". Although I do like her self titled ep as much as you do, I think GNS is great as well even if she doesn't play guitar on it. Your implying that she's a sell out on GNS makes me want to wretch if you truly believe what you are saying. I guarantee you that if you go to see her in concert, you'll know what I mean. Not only can this woman play and sing, she's definitely not a sellout. ~Van~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:41:35 -0500 From: LIONELHUTZ@webtv.net (JEFF WURTZ) Subject: [MLL] Re: jinglejangle-digest V1 #44 elliot smith had such a great performance last night, it was great, the other 4 were like all orchestral and overproduced and then out walks elliot with his acoustic guitar, it was great, does anyone know who he brought with him? why didt he bring mary lou? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:43:16 EST From: Zerowork Subject: [MLL] the real deal In a message dated 98-03-24 04:28:32 EST, you write: << why the hell would you like not play a guitar on your record if you know how to play it?! does that make any sense at all? and if this is something to do with the major label deal, forget it, i had much more respect for mary lou than that. personally, if i were on an indie label and was about to break through on a major label, NO DEAL, no matter how good the money, would make me drop my instrument, and basically leave no musical mark of my own WHATSOEVER on my major label record. >> according to Mary Lou -- she had the oppurtunity to have some of her favorite guitar players and friends play guitar on the album, Elliott Smith, Nick Saloman, Roger Mcguinn....so she did. It had nothing at all to do with the label. The label had little say in how this record was made....MLL wanted to record with a band and that is what she is into right now, I wouldn't doubt if we see more solo stuff released in the future and definitely more of her own songs.....but really, artists should try new things and should try to expand what they do, and MLL is doing that and it is her own decision and no one is making her do anything she doesn't want to. The major label has only given her money to do these things - like record and tour with a band, and then to market what she does. If you notice, on every EP or 7" MLL has released, and most of the songs she has had on compilations she has recorded something with a band......so I sorta think anyone who thinks she is changing for the label is ignorant of Mary Lou's history....look into some things like the first KRS 7" or the bands MLL has been in....before you attack someone's art be sure you know what you are talking about, otherwise people may take you for a fool. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:12:02 EST From: AWeiss4338 Subject: Re: [MLL] MLL Guitars I would agree with what everyone has been saying in response to the person who says Mary Lou is a "sell out" because she doesn't play her guitar on GNS. It is really stupid to say that. I'm sure Mary Lou had her reasons vfor not playing and i think we should respect that. And it doesn't make GNS into something less then wonderful. The album is, to say the least, fine. Getting on a major label doesn't make you a sell out. Doing something just for money is and Mary Lou hasn't done that at all. One listen of GOS whould tell you that. She's stayed very much true to herself. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:08:01 -0500 (EST) From: Rachel Subject: [MLL] I guess I must be having fun Well, I had written out a long message after returning from the Bottom of the Hill show last night, but my friend's computer froze and I couldn't log back in, but that was just an incredible show. The band was really "on," and the sound was good and Mary Lou did a lot of stuff alone (8 songs), including my request, that Talking Heads song "This Must Be The Place" (I think that's the name). Shawn Colvin plays it too and Mary Lou said it's from the movie "Wall Street." She also played Dylan's "You're Gonna Make Me Lonesome When You Go" and her friend Steven played on 2 songs, I think he plays on GNS, and it was just a lot of fun. My friends from SF came and so did John Miller, Aaron and Pete (is that your name? sorry....) from this list and it was cool meeting all of you. Only bad thing about yesterday was Mary Lou having had to cancel the planned Berkeley instore because she wasn't feeling well and was tired from SXSW. THat sounds like it was a blast. Also, someone from Acoustic Guitar interviewed her, so that should be in a forthcoming issue. I'm gonna go get a copy of No Depression. Also, Mary Lou said the editor of ND (forgot his name) is the one who did the lyrics to His ND World which I thought was cool, and she said the Scott Miller reference is to the same person (meaning 1 person, that Loud Family guy). OK, guitars on GNS....I think that while many of us would maybe prefer to have her playing or whatever on the album, perhaps we are bigger fans of certain songs/aspects of her playing than she is. I'm not trying to psychoanalyze her, but almost any time she plays she'll say something about how her version of a song sucks, or "any more requests of songs I can butcher?" or how she's not good on guitar, etc. So if this is her thinking about her playing, she would want people who will create the sounds she wants on her record, and why not? I know she loves to play, of course, but like David said, she's had various backing bands, or even on "Birthday Boy" from Jabberjaw, that's Elliott playing with her. I think she had really specific ideas and plans for the record that had nothing to do with what WORK wanted, but what she wanted, otherwise she could've just gone with some other label and let them do it all for her, but obviously that's not what she wanted, so I respect her decision and I also happen to like the album, but I'm gonna judge it on the music I hear not necessarily who is playing. I think part of many people's problem with her no playing is that she's holding the guitar on the cover and playing, but I don't know...she does play, pretty much every day, right? I think she said 2 7 hour busking sessions in Austin...so if she wanted her record done a certain way, that is totally up to her. my 2 cents... Rachel "your machinations leave me speechless and resigned and while I won't deny your talent I'm gonna quit wasting my time" -- sarge, "beguiling" - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- my Mary Lou Lord page is at http://pages.nyu.edu/~rkb200/ To join the Mary Lou Lord mailing list, email Majordomo@smoe.org with ONLY "subscribe jinglejangle" OR "subscribe jinglejangle-digest" in the BODY. For info on my zine I'M NOT WAITING go to http://pages.nyu.edu/~rkb200/zine.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 98 01:03:57 -0500 From: "Lee S. Kilpatrick (Mr. Breeze)" Subject: Re: [MLL] I guess I must be having fun > can butcher?" or how she's not good on guitar, etc. So if this is her > thinking about her playing, she would want people who will create the > sounds she wants on her record, and why not? I know she loves to play, of > course, but like David said, she's had various backing bands, or even on > "Birthday Boy" from Jabberjaw, that's Elliott playing with her. I th> ink > she had really specific ideas and plans for the record that had nothing to I think that she primarily looks at herself as a songwriter, and possibly performer, but not necessarily a guitar player. She has made comments in interviews which indicate that she looks at the songwriting as the main thing, especially when she talks about having a songwriting catalog, and having other people cover her songs. Also, I don't think she is really what you would consider a really good guitar player. She is passable, but as Rachael & other pointed out, she has had other people play guitar for her in the past. And in fact, I don't know that she ever played electric guitar on a recording in the past, though I think she has been starting to play it in concert over the past few months/year or so, right? (I think the last time I actually saw her was a year or more ago.) Hey, I saw Richard Thompson in concert a few months ago, and his son was there too, and performed some of hisown songs. But guess who played the guitar? If you've got incredible talents willing to work with you, there's no point in passing them up. I do think it a bit odd, though, that she plays no instruments on the whole album, and is pictured on the front with a guitar. It's also kind of odd that the "promo CD" is solo acoustic, which the album has nary a trace of. She *does* play the guitar on that, right? If she didn't, then *that* would be even more odd. Lee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:14:16 EST From: Moshe96 Subject: [MLL] MLL in philly CAN SOMEBODY HELP ME OUT? i was at Mary Lou's show at the pontiac grille in philly and she did a few acoustic tunes. i think she did one by heatmiser, but i'm not sure. i think it was the last acoustic she played. i love that song, and i want to know where i can find it, but i can't remember the name or anything. I NEED TO FIND OUT -- does any one know? thanks jenny ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:39:51 EST From: Moshe96 Subject: [MLL] the bevis frond i heard that the bevis frond is coming next weekend to the khyber in philly. true? - -jenny- ------------------------------ End of jinglejangle-digest V1 #45 *********************************