From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V11 #106 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Friday, April 28 2006 Volume 11 : Number 106 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V9 #___ gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: NJC: RE: [EDA] anyone planning on going to Anaheim show? [Tom Proven ] Re: [EDA] Re: BRITNEY BABY [Sasafrass ] Re: [EDA] anyone get decent seats via unedited? (and who is going to chicago) [Hersheys98@a] Re: [EDA] dreadful overproduction ["Blue Djinn" ] Re: [EDA] GBAW [Me ] [EDA] velvet rope [Jenn ] Re: [EDA] GBAW [tface151@aol.com] [EDA] just me? [nikossong@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 06:34:02 -0400 From: Tom Proven Subject: Re: NJC: RE: [EDA] anyone planning on going to Anaheim show? At 10:23 AM 4/26/2006, Mike Connell wrote: >Gerrit wrote: > > Hey Elizabeth, > > > I'm Gerrit from Gerrit's Jewel Page (http://endor.org/jewel). I've > > been a fan of Jewel since '95. July 1st is my birthday, and I'll be in > > Southern California on business. > >Elizabeth, trust me on this one. If you do go with Gerrit, >you should drive. ;-) > >Late 90s Bearville attendees will know what Im talking about. > >Mike :-) Preachin' to the choir, Mike. Why do you think I drove the last 18 hour shift from Cheyenne to SF on 3 hours sleep? It certainly wasn't because of my deep enjoyment of driving! But at least we got to stop at the In N Out in Auburn, CA for our final meal. :-) Yes, it was worth it all. /Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:14:25 -0400 From: Sasafrass Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: BRITNEY BABY Where'd this news come from? I haven't seen anything in the headlines about it. - --------------------------------- Visit my forums! http://darkangelfans.proboards43.com http://www.geocities.com/sasafrass452/darkangel.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sassyscorner JewelBlues@aol.com wrote: > She wants a GIRL (baby)..so that child can one day take over the POP TART > reigns...and be the NEXT "spears" to rule the pop world for 20 years ..just > pray she doesn't drop THIS new baby on his head...cause shes such a GREAT > mother hahaha dave > > > > In a message dated 4/26/2006 1:32:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org writes: > > Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:03:47 -0500 > From: "Matt Sullivan" > Subject: [EDA] NJC: britney spears... > > she's not that innocent. she is OFFICIALLY pregnant again and due in october > > =] > > no comment ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:27:42 EDT From: Hersheys98@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] anyone get decent seats via unedited? (and who is going to chicago) I didn't join Unedited this year, but I was hoping to get seats for the Chicago via the internet presale on ticketmaster (I assumed I would received a password since I am on the promoter's e-mail list). However, I haven't received the password and their tickets go on sale this morning at 10 am. Is anyone on Livenation/Elevated Concerts e-mail list and if so did you receive the ticketmaster internet presale info? Otherwise I will just have to buy tickets when the general public's go on sale tomorrow. Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:47:37 -0700 From: "Blue Djinn" Subject: Re: [EDA] dreadful overproduction Well, I haven't heard any of the new CD yet, but anticipate I'll not like it. There are few people that really appreciate a singer's true talents by hearing their voice and their instrument unedited or changed electronicallly. That's real, that's raw, that's how a few of us were first attracted to Jewel. However, the masses are not like us. They like electronics and alterations and bands added in. That's what will sell and make the most money because the audience is larger. Jewel always wanted to be a "rocker girl". That's her choice. Nothing wrong with that. Just leaves us few starving for some good ol play it around the campfire without a mic music from Jewel. Michael Carmona _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:52:21 -0400 From: tface151@aol.com Subject: [EDA] GBAW Over all. I only kinda like the album. I think it's cute that she did a special dedication to TY in the liner notes...a whole page! It's very pretty. I love A&A, Long slow Slide, and GBA, Good day isn't as good on the album as it was live. I'm not a fan of her talking instead of singing. This is where the album goes down hilll. Satellite is horrible. I listened to it over and over hoping it would grow on me, but it didn't. I long for the original version. This one is WAAAAAAAAAY to poppy. Only one too and words get in the way are cute upbeat songs, but they sound way to similar. Especially when they are back to back. Very 0304 Jewel. Drive to you starts the picking back up of the album. It's catchy and fun. I love this version of Last Dance Rodeo! Fragile Heart is nice....but I don't like that she put the same song on back to back albums. I think it's kinda cheezy. But it is a good version. I actually like it better than on 0304. Stephenville is GREAT!!! Where you are is an awsome song too. And to end with 1000 miles....accustic!! I love it. Ok so it's not 100% aucustic. But it's close enough It is beautiful. So not my overall favorite, but still very good. - -Teresa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:03:46 -0400 From: freckledangel@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] dreadful overproduction You're right. I listened to a few clips online during a break at work, but perhaps I shouldn't judge by a few second clips. They just didn't go over well with me yesterday. But, you're right, I shouldn't be so hasty in my judgements. I just love raw versions, rather than ones that sound so studio-glitzed over, but that's just a personal preference. I'll try to give another listen sometime. Cheers, Amy - -----Original Message----- From: Mike Connell To: freckledangel@aol.com; jewel@smoe.org Sent: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:12:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [EDA] dreadful overproduction Historically, my least favorite time on this list is the couple of weeks before and after Jewel releases a new album. I haven't heard a note yet from this new album so I cannot pass any personal judgement on any of it, but one thing that pretty much always rankled me (in the past) is people calling some songs "over produced" when if you ask me or most people they were not "over produced" at all. I swear sometimes people think if there is ANYTHING in a Jewel song that is not guitar, voice or piano that it is over produced. The main reason I say that right now is that so far there have been at LEAST four reviews of this new album's cut of 1000 Miles Away *on this list* and all of them said she barely touched it. It's clear to me we all have a very different definition of "over produced". > I couldn't take more than a few seconds of each song before Freckledangel (I won't use your real name as you did not in your post), I've ALWAYS liked you on this list and always will and I remember our too long ago AOL IMs fondly, but I'm thinking that maybe you should listen to more than a few seconds of each song before tear the album a new you-know-what? :-) Plus, from my experience of listening to MANY online song clips of songs I grew up with, the 30 second or so (if that) clips are almost always a part of the song that is the heaviest in "produced" as it typically makes the "best" sound clip. I'm guessing you'll like the entire CD a lot "more" if you give it a second chance and more than 30 seconds or so :-) Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:34:16 -0400 (EDT) From: s w Subject: Re: [EDA] dreadful overproduction No way, it's not at all like Dylan going electric. I have no problem with Jewel not being completly acoustic (as I love Spirit, and that's not like POY at all), but when she get's to the point where she turns my beloved Sattelite into some pop-rock mess, I don't know what to think about her anymore. I weathered 0304, and went to see her live twice since then, and both shows were solo-acoustic and amazing. But trust me, there were alot of fans who were quite unhappy to see she wasn't there with a band, and wasn't playing the 0304 stuff the way it was on the albulm. So she's really stuck herself in a hard place now. She has the hardcore POY fans who've stuck with her through everything, and she tried to please them with half the albulm of GAIW. She tried to please the newer fans with the other half, but to me it seems she's failed miserably on both fronts. By jazzing up favorites that old fans just wanted simple stuido recorded arrangments of, she's pissed off the POY fans. And then by including straight up Kelly Clarksonesque pop tracks. she's made them even more angry. Especially when this albulm has been hyped as Jewel's return to form, when to me it sounds like 0304 all over again. Sure it isn't as Dancey, but it's poppy enough for me to feel dissapointed. Spirit was very well produced, YES it wasn't acoustic, but it was not overproduced like these tracks sound (at least not to my ears). Spirit expanded her range to include the full band and a more mainstream sound without overpowering her basic sensibilites as a singer-songwriter. Instead, they simply accented certain things, and made them sound fuller, richer, and easier to get on the radio. This way was a great rocking country record, and while it was very stuido produced, still managed to sound fresh, raw, and very fun. This albulm and 0304 seem to lose that continuity or unity that the earlier albulms had. Just sounds like a bunch of radio fresh singles thrown together, with a few acoustic ballads to keep the old fans happy. This will please neither of us, and end up pissing off the old POY fans to the point where they will end up abandoning her as their favorite artist. I mean how can you perform two solid tours in two years as completly acoustic, and then release an albulm like this that is so overproduced it's makes my teeth ache from the sugar pop sweetness. And Im sorry, but by releasing GAIW on the website, she suckered us all into thinking the new record would be what we had all been waiting and hoping for. I've listened to the record 10 times, and I still feel duped, espeically since I have much more technically proficient and better sounding versions of all the songs I would want on these albulms on bootlegs. What reason does that give me to go back and listen to the albulm bar the song GAIW. I donno, this is just me angrily ranting, and as much as I love Jewel to death, and have spent way too much money on concert tickets and albulms and DVD's over the years, I'm pretty mad. Maybe dissapointed is a better word, and it's not smart to dissapoint your old school fans and essentially sell out if you don't have a flock of pop fans ready to back up your decision. And the failure of 0304 definetly taught Jewel a lesson, but it seems to be one she's only taken half to heart. And as for Dylan, when he went electric he expanded his sound and went into a different medium with amazing success. He transferred his acoustic sensiblities into the rock format, and met with huge success beyond his wildest dreams. Yes he met with crticism like mad, but he also made some of the greatest records of the 20th century in that timeframe. He also became a huge star, and had more fans than he'd ever had when he was acoustic. Fans more than willing to back up and defend their favorite star by buying his electric recordings. That's something Jewel doesn't have, and I think it leaves her in quite a precarious position as an artist for her next record. Steve James McGarry wrote: Mike Connell wrote: > produced" at all. I swear sometimes people think if there is ANYTHING > in a Jewel song that is not guitar, voice or piano that it is over > produced. The main reason I say that right now is that so far there > have been at LEAST four reviews of this new album's cut of 1000 Miles > Away *on this list* and all of them said she barely touched it. Remember when Dylan went electric? Its sorta like that. ;-) James. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:00:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Me Subject: Re: [EDA] GBAW Enough with the spoiled!! Some of you think it's over produced b/c it's not just Jewel and her guitar. That was how most of us fell in love with her. That was Jewel Stock. But serously, get over it. Love love!! tface151@aol.com wrote: Over all. I only kinda like the album. I think it's cute that she did a special dedication to TY in the liner notes...a whole page! It's very pretty. I love A&A, Long slow Slide, and GBA, Good day isn't as good on the album as it was live. I'm not a fan of her talking instead of singing. This is where the album goes down hilll. Satellite is horrible. I listened to it over and over hoping it would grow on me, but it didn't. I long for the original version. This one is WAAAAAAAAAY to poppy. Only one too and words get in the way are cute upbeat songs, but they sound way to similar. Especially when they are back to back. Very 0304 Jewel. Drive to you starts the picking back up of the album. It's catchy and fun. I love this version of Last Dance Rodeo! Fragile Heart is nice....but I don't like that she put the same song on back to back albums. I think it's kinda cheezy. But it is a good version. I actually like it better than on 0304. Stephenville is GREAT!!! Where you are is an awsome song too. And to end with 1000 miles....accustic!! I love it. Ok so it's not 100% aucustic. But it's close enough It is beautiful. So not my overall favorite, but still very good. - -Teresa ~*~*~ The Faithful Angel ~*~*~ - --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1"/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:47:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenn Subject: [EDA] velvet rope I wish they were still doing velvet rope. That was the only reason I joined Unedited when it first came out. But they do not do it anymore so I will consider if I will join again next year. Jennifer the MD angel.. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:55:26 -0400 From: tface151@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] GBAW So I'm not allowed to have an opinion? Sorry. Also for your information This Way is my favorite Jewel album. And i would have to say that is definatly not just Jewel and her guitar. I also really liked 0304. And learn to read, I didn't mention ANYTHING about it being over produced. I said it sounded too POPPY!!! Like buble gum music. the 2 things are very different. So before you flame me for my opinion at least get all of your facts straight. I hate that everytime anyone on here expresses an opinion that isn't "Jewel is wonderful, jewel is god" They get flamed. Where is the love on the list? I'm still going to buy GBAW It's just not my favorite. And I still stand by my opinion that Satellite is terrible. - -Teresa - -----Original Message----- From: Me To: tface151@aol.com; jewel@smoe.org Sent: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [EDA] GBAW Enough with the spoiled!! Some of you think it's over produced b/c it's not just Jewel and her guitar. That was how most of us fell in love with her. That was Jewel Stock. But serously, get over it. Love love!! tface151@aol.com wrote: Over all. I only kinda like the album. I think it's cute that she did a special dedication to TY in the liner notes...a whole page! It's very pretty. I love A&A, Long slow Slide, and GBA, Good day isn't as good on the album as it was live. I'm not a fan of her talking instead of singing. This is where the album goes down hilll. Satellite is horrible. I listened to it over and over hoping it would grow on me, but it didn't. I long for the original version. This one is WAAAAAAAAAY to poppy. Only one too and words get in the way are cute upbeat songs, but they sound way to similar. Especially when they are back to back. Very 0304 Jewel. Drive to you starts the picking back up of the album. It's catchy and fun. I love this version of Last Dance Rodeo! Fragile Heart is nice....but I don't like that she put the same song on back to back albums. I think it's kinda cheezy. But it is a good version. I actually like it better than on 0304. Stephenville is GREAT!!! Where you are is an awsome song too. And to end with 1000 miles....accustic!! I love it. Ok so it's not 100% aucustic. But it's close enough It is beautiful. So not my overall favorite, but still very good. - -Teresa ~*~*~ The Faithful Angel ~*~*~ Blab-away for as little as 1B"/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:19:38 -0400 From: nikossong@aol.com Subject: [EDA] just me? OK, I can't stand it anymore. This may have been brought up, but as an almost decade-long member of the list, I have slacked off on my post reading. Anyway, with that said, I am ready for the flames. Am I the only one that notices her amazingly annoying "cute" voice that has appeared on almost everything lately? Jewel's voice used to be very pure and melodic, but now it just says to me "Sure I"m over 30, but can't you see how adorable I still am?" I've only listened to a few songs off the new album, but each of these songs has that babyish voice. Am I the ONLY one that has noticed it? Or am I the only one that can't stand it? Bring on the flame, I can take it. Jenni ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V11 #106 ****************************