From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V11 #39 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Tuesday, February 21 2006 Volume 11 : Number 039 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V9 #___ gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] NJC: Cover of the Rolling Stone! [Dennis Harris Subject: [EDA] NJC: Cover of the Rolling Stone! *** Matt wrote (before thinking, obviously): Until you're writting a column in Rolling Stone, I really don't value you're opinion. *damn* You'd better quit reading these Jewel list posts for the next several months, Matt. I don't think we have any columnists from the Rolling Stone on this particular mailing list. Then again, you meant Rolling Stone columnists AND me, right? (And I personally think that some of those RS writers are complete idiots!) BTW Matt, you have two misspelled words in the one sentence I quoted you on. Easy with the flames, they tend to spread up one's own arm rather quickly! ;-) That said, I find Matt's opinions usually thoughtful or at least entertaining, and would buy him a cheese sandwich with absolutely no hesitation should I meet him on the street. Everyone please share their opinion, and realize that the truth of any debate truly lies in the middle of the opinions being discussed. Taste is subjective, and much of it bad (no matter how comfortable we are with the tastes in our own mouths). If Jewel's new album gets you EDAs out to see her, and you accidently bump into each other along the way, Jewel has done her job very well. Regards, Harris. Trust me (tm). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:19:46 EST From: rawhite78@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: Cover of the Rolling Stone! In a message dated 2/21/2006 10:57:18 AM Central Standard Time, harrisbros@aol.com writes: :::(no matter how comfortable we are with the tastes in :::our own mouths). Actually, I carry a bar of Lava soap in my pocket, because often I am not comfortable with the tastes in my mouth! Speaking of which, I need to buy a new bar since I was listening to commercial radio yesterday. Dennis of the Harris clan also wrote: :::If Jewel's new album gets you EDAs out to see her, and you accidentally :::bump into each other along the way, Jewel has done her job very well. There it is. In fact, it is my personal opinion (and no, I do not write for rollingstone) that meeting other EDAs is far more important than goose stepping in time with the latest single. Jewel has released amazing music. She has released good music, and she has release bad music. Big deal, everyone has an off day. But, I cannot think of a single EDA gathering I've been to that was totally bad...(okay, trying to hitchhike back from NJ to Texas was kinda bad.) There is (was) a community here whose sum was (is) much more than a bunch of obsessed fans. Friendships have been forged, people have been married, children have been born, nonprofit organizations have been launched, music has been shared, support has been offered, and many other warm and fuzzy things! Perhaps one day the EDAs will realize that every opinion is valued, and maybe some other people with think back and wonder if they had more fun at the concert, or surrounded by a bunch of EDAs at a Denny's afterwards. Just my non-music-critic opinion, Rowdy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:00:36 EST From: W1GGY2@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: Cover of the Rolling Stone! Three cheers for Rowdy, Dennis, and everyone else who supports differences of opinions and stating them honestly. After all, this is a discussion list. Have you ever tried to have a discussion with 150 people who all think the same exact thing? It goes something like this: Person #1: I love Jewel's new song! Person #2: Me too! Person #3: Ditto! Person #4: So do I! Person #5: OMG, no way! I love it too! Person #6: Well, you get the idea. What fun...where do I sign up? Oh right, I already have! :-P But seriously, comparing the discussion of a Jewel song on a Jewel discussion list to Jewel picking someone out of the audience and saying her shirt is ugly is...well...not quite fair (or accurate). Now if Jewel had signed up on a "girl in the third row's ugly shirt" discussion list, then yea... :-) Amy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:55:32 -0800 (PST) From: Ben Simpelo Subject: [EDA] Again and Again on SIRIUS Satellite Again and Again has hit the SIRIUS Satellite Radio airwaves. According to the SIRIUS Stream Explorer @ http://itson.siriusbackstage.com , the song was played on The Pulse on Channel 9, which plays hits of the 1990's to the present. Dates and times played as of this posting: Feb 20 @ 2:16 AM, 12:44 PM, and 10:14 PM Feb 21 @ 7:21 AM All times Eastern. The song is not yet being played on SIRIUS' rival XM Radio, but I'll let you know if they do. Ben Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:24:30 -0500 From: freckledangel@aol.com Subject: [EDA] again and again complaints I think the person who wrote that they were disappointed with Jewel's lyrics absolutely has the right to voice their opinion. It would be a disservice to Jewel to just say everything she does is great, without being somewhat critical, especially if its constructive criticism. There's no doubt JEwel is capable of writing lyrics that are not cliche ridden or "cheesy" and unoriginal...clearly she's demonstrated she can write very original lyrics. But that's not what's on the radio these days, for the most part. So I'm sure she watered down some of her stuff to make it conform with the sap on the radio. I'm not criticizing...she's got to hold her place in the market place, and if that means "cheezification" that may be what comes through. Well, at least we still have our Jewelstock tapes with all the raw stuff and many great lyrics, some of which are incredibly original. Wonder if that stuff will ever get out to the mainstream. I haven't heard the new album and am not in a rush to hear it, but I do plan on hearing it eventually and taking it for what it is...whatever that is, I don't know yet. It sounds vaguely intriguing. I do find that as I get older Jewel holds less and less appeal for me. I really did prefer the earlier stuff, although I think I'll be pleasantly surprised if she comes out with some good stuff again that is reminiscent of the earlier stuff. Again, I haven't listened so I can't criticize yet...I also never bothered to get 0304 'cause I knew it wouldn't be my cup of tea...however, I also believe artists should experiment as they wish even if it means going "pop" and "cheeseball"...but in her case, if I"m correct, it backfired and that album did worse than the others...the less authentic JEwel seemed or the more she tried to fit in with a pop paradigm, the less people responded. It seemed she was trying to Jessica Simpsonize her persona to get more attention (and that could be an entirely wrong presumption, it could have just been her exercising her artistic muscle and practicing her range, ! although that seems more like an excuse). Anyway, I'd take Natalie Merchant or Sarah McLachlan or Norah Jones for that matter over JEssica SImpson and Britney SPears any day, but mainstream music is in pretty dire straits. So if Jewel wants to keep her claws in the marketplace, she may have to resort to cheese. Plus, a little cheese can be good as long as it's not totally velveeta. ANyway, I thought some of the lyrics I saw printed were disappointing and too obvious, too direct, no metaphor, saccharine unoriginal pop, but I haven't heard the album or seen all the lyrics so I hope that I'll find some good nuggets in there if/when I get around to listening. I do know she's capable of great lyrics like "Moon Over Austin" and "Nicotine Love"...now that's an original title right there (the latter)...but she does have a broad range and she is entitled to do as she pleases, even if means offending some of us "purists" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:24:39 -0500 From: freckledangel@aol.com Subject: [EDA] again and again complaints...my little rant I think the person who wrote that they were disappointed with Jewel's lyrics absolutely has the right to voice their opinion. It would be a disservice to Jewel to just say everything she does is great, without being somewhat critical, especially if its constructive criticism. There's no doubt JEwel is capable of writing lyrics that are not cliche ridden or "cheesy" and unoriginal...clearly she's demonstrated she can write very original lyrics. But that's not what's on the radio these days, for the most part. So I'm sure she watered down some of her stuff to make it conform with the sap on the radio. I'm not criticizing...she's got to hold her place in the market place, and if that means "cheezification" that may be what comes through. Well, at least we still have our Jewelstock tapes with all the raw stuff and many great lyrics, some of which are incredibly original. Wonder if that stuff will ever get out to the mainstream. I haven't heard the new album and am not in a rush to hear it, but I do plan on hearing it eventually and taking it for what it is...whatever that is, I don't know yet. It sounds vaguely intriguing. I do find that as I get older Jewel holds less and less appeal for me. I really did prefer the earlier stuff, although I think I'll be pleasantly surprised if she comes out with some good stuff again that is reminiscent of the earlier stuff. Again, I haven't listened so I can't criticize yet...I also never bothered to get 0304 'cause I knew it wouldn't be my cup of tea...however, I also believe artists should experiment as they wish even if it means going "pop" and "cheeseball"...but in her case, if I"m correct, it backfired and that album did worse than the others...the less authentic JEwel seemed or the more she tried to fit in with a pop paradigm, the less people responded. It seemed she was trying to Jessica Simpsonize her persona to get more attention (and that could be an entirely wrong presumption, it could have just been her exercising her artistic muscle and practicing her range, ! although that seems more like an excuse). Anyway, I'd take Natalie Merchant or Sarah McLachlan or Norah Jones for that matter over JEssica SImpson and Britney SPears any day, but mainstream music is in pretty dire straits. So if Jewel wants to keep her claws in the marketplace, she may have to resort to cheese. Plus, a little cheese can be good as long as it's not totally velveeta. ANyway, I thought some of the lyrics I saw printed were disappointing and too obvious, too direct, no metaphor, saccharine unoriginal pop, but I haven't heard the album or seen all the lyrics so I hope that I'll find some good nuggets in there if/when I get around to listening. I do know she's capable of great lyrics like "Moon Over Austin" and "Nicotine Love"...now that's an original title right there (the latter)...but she does have a broad range and she is entitled to do as she pleases, even if means offending some of us "purists" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:24:36 -0800 (PST) From: gina brumley Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: Cover of the Rolling Stone! "But, I cannot think of a single EDA gathering I've been to that was totally bad...(okay, trying to hitchhike back from NJ to Texas was kinda bad.) There is (was) a community here whose sum was (is) much more than a bunch of obsessed fans. Friendships have been forged, people have been married, children have been born, nonprofit organizations have been launched, music has been shared, support has been offered, and many other warm and fuzzy things!" Rowdy, you're right on the money. I love you Dennis Harris, for starting this thread. Now I can get all ushy gushy mushy touchy feely about the EDAs and what an integral part of my life the memories of those gatherings have become. The four years I went to Bearsville are four of the most memorable summers of my life. I made friends there that I may not talk to throughout the year, but I look forward to that gathering every summer. Experiences have been shared amongst people who would never have met had it not been for Jewel and the EDAs she inspired. I don't think my paths ever would have crossed with a Vegan genius with a minivan and cowboy hat; or a guy much older than me with a thing for all things Apple and raunchy humor; or a kid who grew up in an orphanage in Hershey, PA, who still can't stand the smell of chocolate; two of the most energetic and eclectic and wonderfully fun young ladies who've grown up so fast in the last six years; a guy with hardly any hair who can manage to get it tangled in a toy boat propellor; a spunky mom who has a blender with car lighter adaptors; a slew of people who only had one thing in common: Jewel's music and the way it touched their lives. Thanks, Jewel, for the introduction. Thanks, Dennis, for the insight. Thanks, Rowdy, for the trip down memory lane. Gina rawhite78@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/21/2006 10:57:18 AM Central Standard Time, harrisbros@aol.com writes: :::(no matter how comfortable we are with the tastes in :::our own mouths). Actually, I carry a bar of Lava soap in my pocket, because often I am not comfortable with the tastes in my mouth! Speaking of which, I need to buy a new bar since I was listening to commercial radio yesterday. Dennis of the Harris clan also wrote: :::If Jewel's new album gets you EDAs out to see her, and you accidentally :::bump into each other along the way, Jewel has done her job very well. There it is. In fact, it is my personal opinion (and no, I do not write for rollingstone) that meeting other EDAs is far more important than goose stepping in time with the latest single. Jewel has released amazing music. She has released good music, and she has release bad music. Big deal, everyone has an off day. But, I cannot think of a single EDA gathering I've been to that was totally bad...(okay, trying to hitchhike back from NJ to Texas was kinda bad.) There is (was) a community here whose sum was (is) much more than a bunch of obsessed fans. Friendships have been forged, people have been married, children have been born, nonprofit organizations have been launched, music has been shared, support has been offered, and many other warm and fuzzy things! Perhaps one day the EDAs will realize that every opinion is valued, and maybe some other people with think back and wonder if they had more fun at the concert, or surrounded by a bunch of EDAs at a Denny's afterwards. Just my non-music-critic opinion, Rowdy Come to my BLOG: The Postmortem "A few times I've been around that track So it's not just gonna happen like that Cause I ain't no hollaback girl I ain't no hollaback girl" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? 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I have different production expectations for each of the songs on the tracklist, but I don't think I'm going to be let down. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:10:07 -0800 From: "J W" Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: Cover of the Rolling Stone! perhaps you all took what we were saying the wrong way. and maybe it was partly our fault for not specifying what we were trying to say. at least i know i didn't. opinions are of course accepted on this list. even if you don't like the song. but there are ways of saying it. talk about what exactly you don't like about it. its overproduced, the music.... something something. it sounds just like every other song, etc. but to go and call it trash?? i think thats what she said and/or people have said it before... now thats ignorant. regardless if that is your opinion or not. thats basically all we're saying. have some consideration for the rest of us who do like the song or whatever the discussion may be at the time. PS - any misspelled words on mine? oh well... i don't have spell-check and plus, i don't give a damn. :) D.R. www.myspace.com/dr_rockerchic >From: W1GGY2@aol.com >To: jewel@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: Cover of the Rolling Stone! >Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:00:36 EST > >Three cheers for Rowdy, Dennis, and everyone else who supports differences >of opinions and stating them honestly. After all, this is a discussion >list. >Have you ever tried to have a discussion with 150 people who all think the >same exact thing? It goes something like this: > >Person #1: I love Jewel's new song! >Person #2: Me too! >Person #3: Ditto! >Person #4: So do I! >Person #5: OMG, no way! I love it too! >Person #6: > >Well, you get the idea. What fun...where do I sign up? Oh right, I already >have! >:-P >But seriously, comparing the discussion of a Jewel song on a Jewel >discussion list to Jewel picking someone out of the audience and saying her > shirt is >ugly is...well...not quite fair (or accurate). Now if Jewel had signed up >on a >"girl in the third row's ugly shirt" discussion list, then yea... > >:-) >Amy ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V11 #39 ***************************