From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V11 #38 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Tuesday, February 21 2006 Volume 11 : Number 038 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V9 #___ gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] again and again complaints ["Matt Sullivan" ] Re: [EDA] words get in the way? ["E N" ] Re: [EDA] again and again complaints ["E N" ] Re: [EDA] again and again complaints ["C O" ] Re: [EDA] again and again complaints [Kiera OToole ] [EDA] Re: jewel-digest V11 #37 [tface151@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:33:39 -0600 From: "Matt Sullivan" Subject: [EDA] again and again complaints I think is wonderful to have you're own opinions, but it doesn't mean that you necessarily need to voice them, and with such ignorance and rudeness. Sure you can have you're opinion, and she's a celebrity with sorta gives you the right to form one. But it is still also rude to make statements like that. It's really easy, if you don't like it, don't listen. Until you're writting a column in Rolling Stone, I really don't value you're opinion. Now if Jewel gave us her opinions about some of the things we did, you would so quickly lable her a "bitch". I'm sure every time she has a concert, she looks out in the audience and forms her own opinions about people, but unlike you, she keeps them to herself. What if she said "I see that woman in the third row. Her sweater is ugly, her make-up is horriffic, her hair is flat, her jeans don't fit, and she basically just looks horrible. Don't get mad, babies!! I'm just giving my opinon." That shit wouldn't fly would it. It's the same thing. Social graces. ============ Pixi42@aol.com wrote: >i wasnt going to say anything because i figured i would get slammed with >opposition but...I think this song is crap. i think the lyrics are trite >and i >cannot believe they are jewel's. i think the song is waaay too poppy and >the >same as every other song i change when it comes on the radio. i am >extremely >disappointed. also i am confused about a few things...jewel said in an >interview that this "new" album is kind of storylike and in order >etc...half of the >songs on this record, if the setlist that was posted recently is correct, >are > old songs...i also dont get why it took so long to put it out when there >are > only 6 or less new songs...yeah yeah she has a life too i know... :) i >love jewel and she has done many amazing things for my life, but i did not >like >0304. the lyrics on that were cliche and simple rhyming shmutz and if this >again and again song is a reflection of the rest of the new songs on gaiwl >i >guess i will be disappointed again. i just dont understand how you can go >from >writing such clever lyrics like in nicotine love, buttercup, walk away and >even the old songs she put on this new record to lyrics like again and >again..... _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:03:20 -0800 From: "E N" Subject: Re: [EDA] words get in the way? I loved "Belong With You" / "Drive to You" too. I thought that would have been a good first single. Speaking of new Jewel songs, what do you guys think of a faceoff with Jewel's "Good Day" vs. Daniel Powter's "Bad Day"? Haha. I personally think Good Day is better. At least it makes me smile. When I hear "Bad Day" I think it's good, until I listen to the words, which are so depressing to me ... Elizabeth On 2/19/06, Scott wrote: > > hey, does anyone have a copy of 'words get in the way'? i know she's > sung it live. > > also, what do people think are good potential singles? i think she > should release 'drive to you.' crowd reaction to it is always huge, > and it's very simple and radio-friendly. > > -- > > Scott > http://www.scottanthony.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:41:39 -0800 From: "E N" Subject: Re: [EDA] again and again complaints Not that I'm not saying that I agree with what Pixi/Teresa said because despite my initial feelings, the song did grow on me (and I liked 0304), but I think everyone's entitled to an opinion and CAN voice them. I did not think the email was so rude. I wasn't aware that this was a I LOVE JEWEL UNCONDITIONALLY list. I think we all love Jewel and that's why we're on the list. You can't love all the songs she does, can you? I mean, I'm a pretty big Jewel fan and there ARE songs I just don't like to listen to. AT ALL. If people are so moved to say why they like a particular song, why can't they express why they don't like a song? Dine brought up a good point about the CD being a "mask" and allowing Jewel to do what she needs to do. But I think a lot of people just wished non-EDAs could see the magic of Jewel acoustically, which is what a lot of Jewel fans like (I don't know if that makes sense). Pixi could have said much worse things ... I don't think people need to tell Pixi to not listen to the song b/c I'm sure she won't listen to it since she doesn't like it. I'm not sure what it was she said that made her ignorant? Because that's a pretty harsh thing to say. Perhaps 90% of the people don't care about her opinion, but maybe the other 10% care or might even agree with her. If people don't care what other fans say, why would people care about user reviews on Amazon and other sites? She was afraid to post it because she didn't want to get slammed. And now she is .... come on. And personally, I don't give much credence to Rollingstone anymore ... they are so "corporate" now and have lost so much credibility to me. When was the last time they gave our Jewel some love? I think 3.5 stars was the rating for 0304? just thinking outloud (is that allowed ;-) )... Elizabeth On 2/20/06, Matt Sullivan wrote: > > I think is wonderful to have you're own opinions, but it doesn't mean that > you necessarily need to voice them, and with such ignorance and rudeness. > Sure you can have you're opinion, and she's a celebrity with sorta gives > you > the right to form one. But it is still also rude to make statements like > that. It's really easy, if you don't like it, don't listen. Until you're > writting a column in Rolling Stone, I really don't value you're opinion. > > Now if Jewel gave us her opinions about some of the things we did, you > would > so quickly lable her a "bitch". I'm sure every time she has a concert, she > looks out in the audience and forms her own opinions about people, but > unlike you, she keeps them to herself. What if she said "I see that woman > in > the third row. Her sweater is ugly, her make-up is horriffic, her hair is > flat, her jeans don't fit, and she basically just looks horrible. Don't > get > mad, babies!! I'm just giving my opinon." That shit wouldn't fly would it. > It's the same thing. Social graces. > > ============ > Pixi42@aol.com wrote: > > >i wasnt going to say anything because i figured i would get slammed with > >opposition but...I think this song is crap. i think the lyrics are trite > >and i > >cannot believe they are jewel's. i think the song is waaay too poppy and > >the > >same as every other song i change when it comes on the radio. i am > >extremely > >disappointed. also i am confused about a few things...jewel said in an > >interview that this "new" album is kind of storylike and in order > >etc...half of the > >songs on this record, if the setlist that was posted recently is > correct, > >are > > old songs...i also dont get why it took so long to put it out when > there > >are > > only 6 or less new songs...yeah yeah she has a life too i know... :) i > >love jewel and she has done many amazing things for my life, but i did > not > >like > >0304. the lyrics on that were cliche and simple rhyming shmutz and if > this > >again and again song is a reflection of the rest of the new songs on > gaiwl > >i > >guess i will be disappointed again. i just dont understand how you can > go > >from > >writing such clever lyrics like in nicotine love, buttercup, walk away > and > >even the old songs she put on this new record to lyrics like again and > >again..... > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. > Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:13:40 -0500 From: "C O" Subject: Re: [EDA] again and again complaints Yes, it's "wonderful to have your'e own opinions" and "she's a celebrity which sort of gives you the right to form one". You said it Matt, not me. This fight happens on this list every time Jewel releases a new album but I'll repeat the ending to the argument so we can all stop the immature whining and start having meaningful discussion again: Just because you don't agree with a negative opinion on her music does not make that opinion rude and ignorant, this is a Jewel list, not an I Unconditionally Love Jewel list. So here's mine: I like Alice and Again but I think they sound a bit overproduced they way she is releasing them, and they do sound like everything else out there that is on the radio today. On 2/21/06, Matt Sullivan wrote: > I think is wonderful to have you're own opinions, but it doesn't mean that > you necessarily need to voice them, and with such ignorance and rudeness. > Sure you can have you're opinion, and she's a celebrity with sorta gives > you > the right to form one. But it is still also rude to make statements like > that. It's really easy, if you don't like it, don't listen. Until you're > writting a column in Rolling Stone, I really don't value you're opinion. > > Now if Jewel gave us her opinions about some of the things we did, you > would > so quickly lable her a "bitch". I'm sure every time she has a concert, she > looks out in the audience and forms her own opinions about people, but > unlike you, she keeps them to herself. What if she said "I see that woman > in > the third row. Her sweater is ugly, her make-up is horriffic, her hair is > flat, her jeans don't fit, and she basically just looks horrible. Don't > get > mad, babies!! I'm just giving my opinon." That shit wouldn't fly would it. > It's the same thing. Social graces. > > ============ > Pixi42@aol.com wrote: > > >i wasnt going to say anything because i figured i would get slammed with > >opposition but...I think this song is crap. i think the lyrics are trite > >and i > >cannot believe they are jewel's. i think the song is waaay too poppy and > >the > >same as every other song i change when it comes on the radio. i am > >extremely > >disappointed. also i am confused about a few things...jewel said in an > >interview that this "new" album is kind of storylike and in order > >etc...half of the > >songs on this record, if the setlist that was posted recently is > correct, > >are > > old songs...i also dont get why it took so long to put it out when > there > >are > > only 6 or less new songs...yeah yeah she has a life too i know... :) i > >love jewel and she has done many amazing things for my life, but i did > not > >like > >0304. the lyrics on that were cliche and simple rhyming shmutz and if > this > >again and again song is a reflection of the rest of the new songs on > gaiwl > >i > >guess i will be disappointed again. i just dont understand how you can > go > >from > >writing such clever lyrics like in nicotine love, buttercup, walk away > and > >even the old songs she put on this new record to lyrics like again and > >again..... > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. > Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:56:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Kiera OToole Subject: Re: [EDA] again and again complaints Mat, this isn't a gang up on you but I just thought I'd share my 2 cent worth. I don't it was rude. Had the comments been positive towards Jewel's latest work, I am guessing you wouldn't be on here saying that their opinion shouldn't be voiced and isn't valued. I feel that because the comments were somewhat negative, that you think that pixi was being rude and that their opinion is not valued. We must see things from both sides. Personally, I love the song. It isn't raw Jewel but it is still Jewel and I think it is a pleasant catchy tune. I suppose Pixi's comments were hard to take. I didn't like them either but at the end of the day, it is just one person's opinion. As long as the majority of Jewel fans and potential Jewel fans like it and share their thoughts, then maybe, just maybe Jewel will get loads more exposure this time around. Let's face it, she deserves it after all these years! Toodles Kiera Matt Sullivan wrote: I think is wonderful to have you're own opinions, but it doesn't mean that you necessarily need to voice them, and with such ignorance and rudeness. Sure you can have you're opinion, and she's a celebrity with sorta gives you the right to form one. But it is still also rude to make statements like that. It's really easy, if you don't like it, don't listen. Until you're writting a column in Rolling Stone, I really don't value you're opinion. Now if Jewel gave us her opinions about some of the things we did, you would so quickly lable her a "bitch". I'm sure every time she has a concert, she looks out in the audience and forms her own opinions about people, but unlike you, she keeps them to herself. What if she said "I see that woman in the third row. Her sweater is ugly, her make-up is horriffic, her hair is flat, her jeans don't fit, and she basically just looks horrible. Don't get mad, babies!! I'm just giving my opinon." That shit wouldn't fly would it. It's the same thing. Social graces. ============ Pixi42@aol.com wrote: >i wasnt going to say anything because i figured i would get slammed with >opposition but...I think this song is crap. i think the lyrics are trite >and i >cannot believe they are jewel's. i think the song is waaay too poppy and >the >same as every other song i change when it comes on the radio. i am >extremely >disappointed. also i am confused about a few things...jewel said in an >interview that this "new" album is kind of storylike and in order >etc...half of the >songs on this record, if the setlist that was posted recently is correct, >are > old songs...i also dont get why it took so long to put it out when there >are > only 6 or less new songs...yeah yeah she has a life too i know... :) i >love jewel and she has done many amazing things for my life, but i did not >like >0304. the lyrics on that were cliche and simple rhyming shmutz and if this >again and again song is a reflection of the rest of the new songs on gaiwl >i >guess i will be disappointed again. i just dont understand how you can go >from >writing such clever lyrics like in nicotine love, buttercup, walk away and >even the old songs she put on this new record to lyrics like again and >again..... _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------ Want to know more Jewel? Come join our forum @ www.jewelkilcherforum.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:33:22 -0500 From: tface151@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Re: jewel-digest V11 #37 In response to below. I LOVED 0304. I thought it was great. My complaint on "over produced" is ther are so many layers and the alter Jewel's voice it almost isn't like her. It is awsome when an artist grows and morphs into an extension of themselves. I think this overproduction is no where near Jewel (or the Jewel I see in concert). I would love to keep seeing her in concert, but she hasn't played Pittsburgh since she changed her management because Pittsburgh no longer has a "HOT AC" station. And the only station in PGh. that still plays Jewel "WYEP" won't play the new single. I embrace change, but not all change is good. I don't expect it to be her and her guitar always. But to not even get a band in to record to use old drum beats heard in every pop song. Come on, it's a bit much. - -Teresa "Take it easy... it's not an unplugged album, it's a studio album... Or am I the only one that have a lot of live songs of Jewel and her guitar? People are so insatiable? Everybody is wanting the 'album of the dreams'... when we like an album it's not only our fault, not the album... it's a "meeting" that went right... the atmosphere of the album and our feelings and experiences at that moment... why to expect that every album be the same meeting if we change? We can't control this kind of "meeting", ok? Even Jewel can't... God, people will kill Jewel if they keep wanting the same sensations they felt 10 years ago! :o/ Calm down your hearts, calm down your hearts... :o)" ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V11 #38 ***************************