From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V9 #160 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Monday, June 7 2004 Volume 09 : Number 160 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V9 #___ gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [EDA] The end of Angelfood ? ["Ricky EDA" ] Re: [EDA] The end of Angelfood ? ["Ricky EDA" ] [EDA] Re: live cds of shows [Mbinda03@aol.com] Re: [EDA] The end of Angelfood ? [NeOblCar@aol.com] [EDA] I have experience with these Instantlive CDs [StuartnDee@aol.com] [EDA] request to jewelfans in CA ["stan" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 06:11:45 -0400 From: "Ricky EDA" Subject: RE: [EDA] The end of Angelfood ? So does this mark the end of Jewel fans recording her shows and trading them with fans ? I mean we're now supposed to pay the $15 for the official concert recording. Plus we can't just copy these cds and trade them for free to other Angels. Right ? On the positive side, I'm sure these recordings will be better quality than most Angelfood. >From: "Stephen H." >To: jewel@smoe.org >Subject: [EDA] Jewel goes ahead with selling live cds at shows!!!!! >Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 17:42:50 +1000 > >A few months back Jewel announced in Billboard that she'd be making live >recordings of her shows available for purchase after the show... then she >said that her record company vetoed the idea. I guess Atlantic have backed >off because Jewel has partnered with Instalive Concerts to produce the live >copies of her shows. Go to http://www.instantliveconcerts.com for details, >and here's what it says on their website: > >"Another New Tour! >Instant Live is proud to announce that well be heading out on the road >with Jewel! Starting June 10, well be offering our high-quality discs at >Jewel shows across the U.S.!" > >Excellent news!!! We should have a huge number of high quality bootlegs >from now on! Go Jewel! I'm really glad she's decided to do this. It's a >great money making venture and it's good for the fans as well. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page  FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 20:33:05 +1000 From: "Stephen H." Subject: Re: [EDA] The end of Angelfood ? Fans recorded concerts was never officialy sanctioned by Jewel's team... so nothing's changed. If you want you can continue to sneak in recording equipment and record the shows against the written rules of most venues (although we know Jewel doesn't exactly MIND, she just can't officially say it's ok)... or you can pay a measly $15 and get a high quality, soundboard recording of the show without having to hassle with your own equipment. And we can trade those high quality shows instead. Sounds ok to me... Steve. > So does this mark the end of Jewel fans recording her shows and > trading them with fans ? I mean we're now supposed to pay the $15 for > the official concert recording. Plus we can't just copy these cds and > trade them for free to other Angels. Right ? > > On the positive side, I'm sure these recordings will be better quality > than most Angelfood. > > > >> From: "Stephen H." >> To: jewel@smoe.org >> Subject: [EDA] Jewel goes ahead with selling live cds at shows!!!!! >> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 17:42:50 +1000 >> >> A few months back Jewel announced in Billboard that she'd be making >> live recordings of her shows available for purchase after the show... >> then she said that her record company vetoed the idea. I guess >> Atlantic have backed off because Jewel has partnered with Instalive >> Concerts to produce the live copies of her shows. Go to >> http://www.instantliveconcerts.com for details, and here's what it >> says on their website: >> >> "Another New Tour! >> Instant Live is proud to announce that well be heading out on the >> road with Jewel! Starting June 10, well be offering our high-quality >> discs at Jewel shows across the U.S.!" >> >> Excellent news!!! We should have a huge number of high quality >> bootlegs from now on! Go Jewel! I'm really glad she's decided to do >> this. It's a great money making venture and it's good for the fans as >> well. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page  > FREE download! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 07:12:29 -0400 From: "Ricky EDA" Subject: Re: [EDA] The end of Angelfood ? >or you can pay a measly $15 and get a high quality, soundboard recording of >the show without having to hassle with your own equipment. And we can trade >those high quality shows instead. But won't Jewel and the company producing the cds be missing out on $15 for every person we trade them to ? The shows are available for sale online as well (so you really don't need to phyisically be at the show to buy it). What's the difference between copying/trading these live cds of Jewel copyrighted songs that are for sale and sanctioned by Jewel vs. a copy of 0304 or POY ? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page  FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 21:44:29 +1000 From: "Stephen H." Subject: Re: [EDA] The end of Angelfood ? Well there's a couple of ways to look at it... You could argue there is no difference... you could also argue that recording a show and trading it also equates to stealing from Jewel cause you're distributing her music without her getting any compensation. I think you have to look at Jewel's intention in doing this. She knows her shows are widely recorded by fans for the purposes of non-profit trading. By doing this she takes control over the quality of the recordings, and also makes a little bit of money out of it. I mean think about it - before, her fans recorded and traded the shows and she didn't get a piece of it whatsoever. Now, she at least will get ONE sale out of it, even if that show is traded 15 more times for free. Besides, it's not like she's losing anything. The cost of doing this is only as much as the cost of actually producing the CD's, which is miniscule.... so she's only going to be gaining, no matter how many copies of that CD are eventually traded for free. It's a little different with a big CD where the costs of producing and marketing it are extensive and if it's copied she's losing out significantly. Anyway I think it's definitely positive. Steve. >> or you can pay a measly $15 and get a high quality, soundboard >> recording of the show without having to hassle with your own >> equipment. And we can trade those high quality shows instead. > > > But won't Jewel and the company producing the cds be missing out on > $15 for every person we trade them to ? The shows are available for > sale online as well (so you really don't need to phyisically be at the > show to buy it). > > What's the difference between copying/trading these live cds of Jewel > copyrighted songs that are for sale and sanctioned by Jewel vs. a copy > of 0304 or POY ? > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page  > FREE download! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 09:53:34 EDT From: Mbinda03@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Re: live cds of shows That is great news!! now at least we will have great quality bootlegs & hopefully a lot more trading to look forward to! Thank God!! - -Matt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 10:39:29 EDT From: NeOblCar@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] The end of Angelfood ? In a message dated 6/6/2004 7:51:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Fredsteve@pacific.net.au writes: I think you have to look at Jewel's intention in doing this. She knows her shows are widely recorded by fans for the purposes of non-profit trading. I think the real thing we need to remember is "used to be" widely recorded and available. Let's face it, there isn't a whole lot of new stuff out there being treed as there once was. There's a reason for that. By doing this she takes control over the quality of the recordings, and also makes a little bit of money out of it. Exactly - this is an artist who now puts her name on a thong for christs sake. I have no doubt in my mind that Jewel's view of taping/treeing live shows today is extremely different than it was in 1996. Besides, it's not like she's losing anything. The cost of doing this is only as much as the cost of actually producing the CD's, which is miniscule.... so she's only going to be gaining, no matter how many copies of that CD are eventually traded for free. It's a little different with a big CD where the costs of producing and marketing it are extensive and if it's copied she's losing out significantly. Actually these CDs have some huge upfront costs. Plus she is lucky that she's not playing in a Clear Channel venue, where they would demand that she use their service. The equipment and staff to professional record, master and duplicate say 500 CDs within minutes following a show isn't cheap. Most of these companies have an earn out from the artist to cover their costs. Whereas the the recording company wants say $7,500 to handle all the recording, distribution, etc - they would just simply keep all the revenue from the first 500 discs sold. Then after the earn-out Jewel would get a take. If they didn't sell 500, Jewel would make up the shortfall. On the plus side for Jewel maybe she can listen to more of her own shows and actually improve her performances a bit. In the earlier article post they said that Jewel doesn't do a sound check (she sure used to). Let's just say she needs to go back to doing one. == Rob == "All the perfect drugs and superheroes wouldn't be enough to bring me up to zero," Aimee Mann ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:21:21 EDT From: StuartnDee@aol.com Subject: [EDA] I have experience with these Instantlive CDs Hate to burst anyones bubble but I have experience with these Instantlive CDs and they are not digitally copyable. We have them from a bunch of shows we went to and they are great quality and all but just like the newer big record company CDs coming out they have copygaurd protection. Most computers won't even play them let alone copy them without massive errors and flaws. Also Clearchannel which owns the Instantlive company and the RIAA is agressively prosecuting people who trade or offer these CDs online. If you find a way to copy them and do it online you do it at the risk of being prosecuted here in the US. I don't know about other countries but there is no legal difference here from copying and trading her studio albums. Most people in the trading communities do not approve of people trading anything that the artist releases and these are going to be commercial releases. I'm not trying to take sides on this issue but I know that is the way it works. Dee ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:35:00 -0400 From: "stan" Subject: [EDA] request to jewelfans in CA warning to all jewel fans: be careful who you trade with. some jewel fans from other countries other than the usa (like holland) are very poor traders and should be avoided as they never hold up there end of the bargain. ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V9 #160 ***************************