From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V8 #279 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Tuesday, June 17 2003 Volume 08 : Number 279 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V8 #___ gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] criticism and Amen and Intuition [Barry Howarth ] Re: [EDA] Godd to be back/0304 [GroovGerLC@aol.com] [EDA] easiest/hardest songs to play ["Lindsay" ] Re: [EDA]- Photo of Jewel at Broadway Under the Stars ["~* Caro *~" Subject: [EDA] criticism and Amen and Intuition Hi Angels, Criticism of Jewel has a very legitimate place on this list. If it was just all mindless worship (or whorship, as Beckett or Joyce put it) all the time, it would be boring. While I don't share them, I understand JewelBlues' feelings of loss and betrayal. It's a long way from "Amen" to "intuition", musically. "Amen" has all those strings and a classical feel and "intuition" is pop for dancing. But neither are just Jewel and her guitar and both share Jewel's fundamental outlook on life. "Intuition" has a message that someone trying to kick heroin might listen to. It's the same message that's in WWSYS, "Hands", and many other songs: look to yourself and don't be ruled by what others are saying. "Who will save your soul, if you don't save your own." From what Jewel has said, 0304 was intended to help people with their troubles, just as she perceived swing music in the 1940s did by giving people the opportunity to forget the horrors of the war and grab a few moments of fun. So she sees 0304 as being able to do just what JewelBlues has seen her earlier music like "Amen" as doing -- not that I could see "Morning Song" or"Near You Always" being drawn on in the same way. But I think Jewel forgot that 1940s swing music was the pop music of its day and served the same function then as pop music does now: blotting out the troubles of the real world -- pop music as the opiate of the masses, in a sense. Because Jewel instinctively rejects this -- she wants it to be smart, thoughtful -- she added her critique of contemporary pop music and culture to the record and effectively subverted her own intentions, creating a record that can't really achieve either of its aims. I'm getting a lot out of 0304 when I concentrate on the lyrics and block out the music as much as possible, but for the first time I'm using a Jewel record as background music while I work (on the doings of Genghis Khan), hearing the music and not much of the lyrics (but enough occasionally to remind me that it is Jewel). "Amen" is a great example of a song where the words and the music are in harmony. "Break Me" on TW and a lot of 0304 are examples of a lack of that harmony. It was brilliant on NWW and is pretty close on "Haunted". But "Break Me" solo acoustic is just wonderful, like "Emily". As for the Great Schism, that was in full swing when I joined this list in late 1997 -- plus ga change ... Take care, Barry Howarth "And it's driving me crazy not having you, baby, to keep me company in my own private world. You're my one true girl." JK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 03:46:03 EDT From: Pixi42@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Re: JeweLink: Message From Lenedra awww that was so sweet of nedra to write that! she loves us:) lol when the rain came you asked me how it felt i told you to stand outside yourself for a while but, silly me you had an umbrella ~Nancy Micciulla~ }:}i{:{ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 03:08:23 -0500 From: "Lew - New World Warehouse" Subject: [EDA] Jewel - My rant with extra bonus track included Okay - since everyone is going back and forth on this, I figure - hey, why not give everyone my totally useless opinion and give all the people who are really THAT bored something to read. Maybe if you make it through all of this, I'll find something for you to do. Anyway, I notice a lot of people are going back and forth on the album or Jewel or the way she dresses - blah blah blah....keep in mind this is just MY opinion. If you don't like it - fine - delete the email, or scroll past it. First, let me start with the album. For an album by any old artist, it's marginally ok...for Jewel - it sucks as an album. There I said it - yeah, it sucks. I've had it since it came out and listened to it several times. While it's got some very good songs on there, overall, it's her weakest one to date. Do I think she sold out ? No. Do I think her career is over ? No. It's just a crappy album...that's all nothing more. I think some of the songs are great, but this is the first album that I can't just sit and listen to the whole thing without feeling the need to go past a few songs. I know some of you think it's great - good for you, I'm glad you enjoy it. I don't...that's all. Just from what I've perceived of Jewel, I'm predicting within a year or two, she'll probably say, "What was I thinking ?" in regards to this album. Every artist lately (i.e. Metallica), seems to be a little "lost" musically when it comes to their approach and direction. I'm sure it'll straighten out in a year or two... Second, just because I don't like the album doesn't mean that I don't respect Jewel as an artist. I know a lot of artists have their sorta "crap" albums that are off the beaten path they've made for themselves. I've always felt it was smarter as a career move to do any vastly different sounds as a "side project" rather than market it as your main sound. That way, it's easier to discount if it doesn't do well, but if it does, then no worries. Either way, I think her songs are still good and her worse songs on the 0304 album are still MUCH better than 90% of the pop music out there - so it's still not horrible. Now, I'm definitely not the type that wants an artist to release the same exact sounding stuff over and over again - as a matter of fact, I actually LIKED Spirit more than many seem to because she managed to thicken her sound a bit more. This Way, was good too, just more country influenced than I usually prefer. I wish her pop sound would have reflected more of the sound like "Serve the Ego" was doing rather than the 80s New Wave thing that she's going into. I'm thinking maybe a lot of you seem to like this "new fresh" direction she's taking because you might have been too young to suffer through the original 80s New Wave sound...her song "America" really makes me immediately jump into "We're the Kids in America"...ugh....my apologies to fans of that music....once again - if you like it - more power to ya. Third - what's she wearing...jeeze. If it's one thing that irratates me more than anything is how many people freak out about what other people are wearing. Her clothes have NOTHING to do with her music...unless she's got some sort of outfit that makes it hard to breathe or something...then the vocals get tougher - but that's about as far as it goes. I know a LOT of women that get into their "hoochie" phase - they just want to let loose a little. Big deal - she ain't posed in Playboy or anything, so calm down. Despite what many moral organizations say, naked bodies are not evil - if so, we're all going to hell - unless you don't shower or something. She ain't in a thong or anything so calm down. I know she's worn a few short and revealing items in her past (RockFest comes to mind - first time I saw her live....then there's the incident at the awards show with the see-through dress..heh), so this is nothing new - I think it's more noticable because she's performing in the stuff more and because people that already hate the new direction need bitching ammo. That's it...here's your summary for those too lazy to read the whole thing and just skimmed - My opinion: Album - sucks, Some Songs - good, Jewel - still respect the hell out of her and her music, clothing - leave the poor girl alone, she looks damn good. Ok, as for your "bonus track" - I did some screen captures of the Intuition video. I'll warn you people now who are gonna complain - I did the more "guy oriented" shots...hey - how many times have us guys got to see some of this stuff in her videos ? So anyway, feel free to go to http://www.shoplynx.com/jewel/ and download the pics. Do me a favor and at least check out my band's website. If you want, email me if you are an EDA and I'll mail you a free CD of ours. Jewel Does It Lew www.coilback.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:12:48 +0200 From: GMX Subject: [EDA] Godd to be back/0304 Hi, this is Cris(formerly known as "the transatlantic Angel") After first joining this list in 1997, I took a long break from itafter the Spirit album and tour, for a numerous reasons.1st: Back then the list was in a state where the slighest bit of Jewel-criticism, even those which tried o be as objectively as you can imagine. was considered as some sort of blasphemic act. 2nd reason: I just couldn't handle the amount of Mails anymore. 3rd and most sad reason for not being here for so long: on Jly 1st2000 I suffered a stroke (age 26!)from which I'm still recovering now. Ihad no PC available to me for about 9 month. So only today can I get back on the list. And now for my 0304 opinion: Well, to me it has achieved what it obviously was supposed to do. It is a fun record to listen to. But that's about all IMHO. I'm serously missing just one single song that would challenge(and let shine) her incredible voice in any way. Otherwise it's real fun I think. And , more important, you can feel when listening, that this is relly her on that record. It's what SHE wants to do. To me that's the most important thing about 0304 Cheers! Cris t - -- Best regards, GMX mailto:raceman@gmx.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 05:15:30 EDT From: GroovGerLC@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Godd to be back/0304 Welcome Back! Christel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:03:09 -0400 From: "Lindsay" Subject: [EDA] easiest/hardest songs to play for all you musicians out there... I wanted to get an idea of what your opinions are on the easiest and hadest Jewel songs to play. thanks! Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:33:54 +1000 From: "~* Caro *~" Subject: Re: [EDA]- Photo of Jewel at Broadway Under the Stars Seeing this pic of Jewel planted one thought in my mind.. Jewel woulda made a FINE! Roxie Hart in Chicago. She does look like a Jazz/ Lounger singer Caro the Noosa Angel - -------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:26:49 -0400 From: "Scott" Subject: [EDA] Photo of Jewel at Broadway Under the Stars http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/030617/168/4eytv.html Does anyone know what Jewel sang? She looks great. Very sultry. - - -- Scott http://scott.rocket-fish.org/ http://syd.rocket-fish.org/ _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:42:03 EDT From: Lseids@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Jewel at Broadway Under the Stars Jewel Sang two songs. "I'll be seeing you" Music by Sammy Fain/Lyrics by Irving Kahal. I think this was a hard song to sing and she sounded good, but seemed to struggle a little. Afterward, she apologized for her voice being raspy because she has a cold. But then the second song kicked butt. She sang "Always True To You In My Fashion" from the show Kiss Me Kate Musics and Lyrics by Cole Porter. It's worth hearing. The show was being filmed and I wonder if it may show up on PBS one night. I'll have to check the Brant Park Website and see if any of their other shows in the park are televised. Got my cd signed too. It was a full day! By the way, I'm kinda in shock over Lenedra not managing Jewel anymore, but moreover I'm interested to see how the new management plays out. Does anyone think that Jewel's new image is just for this particular CD or do you think pop Jewel is here to stay? I kinda miss her jeans, but I guess not altogether. Laurie. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:10:43 +0100 From: "Chris Groves" Subject: [EDA] Lenedra Carroll: economical with the truth? I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't she forgotten that Inga Vainshtein was Jewel's original manager. It was Inga who led Jewel through the peak of her career during 1997. One version of events from http://www.eonline.com/News/Court/9812.jewel.html "[Inga Vainshtein] discovered the singer [Jewel] and nurtured her career, vaulting her to "the pinnacle of pop music stardom" and helping her achieve "a level of fame, fortune and success known to but a very few artists." But Jewel's mother, Lenedra Carroll, sabotaged their professional relationship, leading to the manager's firing, according to Vainshtein's complaint. In her $10 million breach of contract suit, Vainshtein says Carroll interfered so she could grab a piece of her daughter's newfound wealth. As a result, Vainshtein claims, she was "deprived of the fruits of her labor at a time when Jewel is finally beginning to reap the financial rewards of her success." Because of this, she claims she lost out on millions of dollars in commissions. Back in 1993, court papers state, Vainshtein attended one of Jewel's performances at a coffeehouse in San Diego. At the time, Jewel was living in a Volkswagen van and making $50 to $60 a week. Vainshtein introduced herself to Jewel, who later hired the woman as her "sole and exclusive worldwide personal manager." But as her daughter rose from obscurity to fame, Carroll began a series of "calculated, sometimes bizarre" actions to destroy Vainshtein's relationship with the star and substitute herself as Jewel's manager, the complaint says. This included a "sham psychological assessment" of Vainshtein conducted by Carroll's lover. According to the manager, she was eventually asked by Jewel to share a third of her 15 percent commission with Carroll. Vainshtein agreed. But on February 18, 1998, she was faxed a letter by Carroll ordering her to "cease any further representation and business on behalf of Jewel." - -------- and another... http://jam.canoe.ca/AllPop-Jewel/981201_mother.html LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Jewel's former manager is seeking more than $10 million from the singer, claiming she was fired after Jewel's mother engineered a rift between them. Inga Vainshtein, who says she discovered the 24-year-old singer five years ago in San Diego, filed a lawsuit Monday in Los Angeles County Superior Court. The suit claims that Jewel's mother, Lenedra Carroll, shadowed Vainshtein as a "co-manager" to learn how to handle Jewel's business affairs, then urged her daughter to fire Vainshtein when she learned enough to do it on her own. Jewel's mother also told the singer that advice from Vainshtein had to be approved by a "channeller" who purportedly sought advice from an entity referred to as "Z," the lawsuit claims. - --------- Chris http://www.jewelfan.co.uk : Jewel - Pieces Of UK http://pub70.ezboard.com/fmusicpromosdiscussionfrm14 : Official UK Jewel Forum ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:32:44 EDT From: StuartnDee@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Lenedra Carroll: economical with the truth? I think Inga lost that lawsuit and it turned out she didn't even have a manager's liscense or something like that. Isnt one of her lawyers Larry an EDA? Does anyone know what ended up happening? :)Dee In a message dated 6/17/03 11:11:38 AM, cmgroves@easynet.co.uk writes: > I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't she forgotten > that Inga Vainshtein was Jewel's original manager. It was Inga who > led Jewel through the peak of her career during 1997. > > One version of events from > http://www.eonline.com/News/Court/9812.jewel.html > "[Inga Vainshtein] discovered the singer [Jewel] and nurtured her > career, vaulting her to "the pinnacle of pop music stardom" and helping > her achieve "a level of fame, fortune and success known to but a very > few artists." But Jewel's mother, Lenedra Carroll, sabotaged their > professional relationship, leading to the manager's firing, according to > Vainshtein's complaint. > > In her $10 million breach of contract suit, Vainshtein says Carroll > interfered so she could grab a piece of her daughter's newfound wealth. > > As a result, Vainshtein claims, she was "deprived of the fruits of her > labor at a time when Jewel is finally beginning to reap the financial > rewards of her success." Because of this, she claims she lost out on > millions of dollars in commissions. > > Back in 1993, court papers state, Vainshtein attended one of Jewel's > performances at a coffeehouse in San Diego. At the time, Jewel was > living in a Volkswagen van and making $50 to $60 a week. Vainshtein > introduced herself to Jewel, who later hired the woman as her "sole and > exclusive worldwide personal manager." > > But as her daughter rose from obscurity to fame, Carroll began a series > of "calculated, sometimes bizarre" actions to destroy Vainshtein's > relationship with the star and substitute herself as Jewel's manager, the > complaint says. This included a "sham psychological assessment" of > Vainshtein conducted by Carroll's lover. > > According to the manager, she was eventually asked by Jewel to share > a third of her 15 percent commission with Carroll. Vainshtein agreed. But > on February 18, 1998, she was faxed a letter by Carroll ordering her to > "cease any further representation and business on behalf of Jewel." > -------- > > and another... > http://jam.canoe.ca/AllPop-Jewel/981201_mother.html > LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Jewel's former manager is seeking more than $10 > million from the singer, claiming she was fired after Jewel's mother > engineered a rift between them. > > Inga Vainshtein, who says she discovered the 24-year-old singer five years > ago in San Diego, filed a lawsuit Monday in Los Angeles County Superior > Court. > > The suit claims that Jewel's mother, Lenedra Carroll, shadowed Vainshtein > as a "co-manager" to learn how to handle Jewel's business affairs, then > urged > her daughter to fire Vainshtein when she learned enough to do it on her own. > > Jewel's mother also told the singer that advice from Vainshtein had to be > approved by a "channeller" who purportedly sought advice from an entity > referred to as "Z," the lawsuit claims. > --------- ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V8 #279 ***************************