From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V8 #277 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Monday, June 16 2003 Volume 08 : Number 277 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V8 #___ gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] re: Message From Lenedra [Ray Wong ] [EDA] Re:YOU MISS THE WHOLE POINT ["Mark Austin" ] [EDA] bleh ["Mark Austin" ] Re: [EDA] Re:YOU MISS THE WHOLE POINT [JeWeLNuMbEr1FaN@aol.com] [EDA] irving azoff [Fredsteve ] RE: [EDA] Re:YOU MISS THE WHOLE POINT [Dan Cole ] [EDA] Chill Winston [Dave0828@aol.com] [EDA] NJC! The Best new artist I've heard since Jewel arrived [Dan Leveil] [EDA] Photo of Jewel at Broadway Under the Stars ["Scott" Subject: [EDA] re: Message From Lenedra Well, I've been resisting the urge to respond until we heard something official, and now we have. My take: It's really OK that Nedra won't be Jewel's manager. She's still involved in Jewel, Inc., as it were. :) She just won't be the primary person who has to deal with all the nasty music biz issues. I notice that most of those who talk negatively about Azoff are on the music biz side of things... That is, I can't think of too many ARTISTS who seem overtly hostile to him. Having the labels think of HIM as the bad guy actually HELPS, because they don't associate their hostility with Jewel directly. If they didn't like something Nedra said, they'd blame Jewel in some way, because she's obviously going to be close to her mom. (this isn't some legal thing, it's just that the entertainment industry is well known for resentment and grudges. By picking a well-known guy like Azoff, Jewel insulates herself a little. ) plus: > in terms of what is happening in the music industry. With the crisis the > industry is in, things have become much more difficult for artists. > Downloading and other factors have greatly impacted artists revenues, and We'd heard them parotting this industry line before. It's clear that both Jewel and Nedra have been so cut off that they must rely on the industry people around them for info. As such, they can be manipulated even if they ARE trying to stay true to themselves. > a high level of business expertise is needed now. Harder times have > drastically changed the relationship of artists with all areas of the > industry, making the management role as guard dog more important than Fortunately, they have at least some sense of this. They know the role of a powerful and knowledgable manager is critical to her survival. Nedra may be great and brilliant and loyal, but she doesn't have a lifetime of dealing with industry insiders. So, overall it sounds like okay news to me. It's one of those change things that is long overdue. Whether it works out or not will be told in time, but the decision being made looks to be about as good as it could be. Ray Wong PO BOX 6163 negativl at best.com, negativl at rayw.com Hayward, CA 94540-6163 Member #11537, Deborah Gibson International Fan Club Co-Founder and Charter Member, Sutton Foster International Fan Club ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:26:29 -0230 From: "Mark Austin" Subject: [EDA] Re:YOU MISS THE WHOLE POINT ... I think you're the one missing something. I don't have much time (studying for finals) so I'll write this e-mail pretty loosley here, excuse that please. In the past I believe it was you who started the whole "SELLOUT" thing, and this now, despite I believe you recently mentioning going to her concerts, etc. Anyways, I think if you rely on a cd to keep you alive... Its sad. Its nice therapy and all, I heard Spirit called a "spiritual balm" before. But to rely on someone like that isn't right. You can't expect Jewel to be making the same music all of her life, it just doesn't work that way. Jewel doesn't want to stagnate. Yes she is doing things her way, and yes she can do what she want. But she shouldn't feel guilty for it. She didn' t go into this industry with the idea of being the light of hope for a bunch of people. Its nice thats shes saving people as does this, but thinking "I'M HERE TO CURE THE HEROIN ADDICTS" wouldn't have gotten her very far. I doubt she ever thought that way. Besides, shes already saving lives with the Clearwater Project and HGH. Anyways, right now shes just making music to keep you happy. Maybe if things didn't focus on depressing subjects, you wouldn't be as depressed. Its happy music. Happy music makes you happy. Get it? While her other albums didn't cheer me up as much as realize things about myself or just made me calm down and become mellow, this album makes me happy. So theres an example of this album helping people for you. And even then, people who prefer her older music literally have HUNDREDS of songs to go and listen to right now. Maybe shes trying to cover all kinds of people this way? Who knows. Also, Jewels critical success has remained pretty much the same throughout her entire career. She wasn't getting non-stop reviews saying "SHES AMAZING" to all of a sudden "shes s***" when this album came out. Its been mixed reviews her whole career. And besides, its stupid to rely on a biased critic to tell you if something is good or not. And Jewel hasn't sold out, become part of the industry, or a "corporate whore." (My middle finger goes up to the person who said that, and its justified.) ***Just because you don't like her present music style does NOT make her into a horrible person, sell-out, or anything else bad.*** You just don't like the music, and thats the only problem. Thats you putting yourself into the wrong, making biased comments that piss me off. I've given the "not a sell-out" speech many many times and backed myself up over and over again, so I hope you bothered to read those e-mails. Im not typing that out again. Amen is beautiful, I love that song. Acoustic Jewel was amazing. But that doesn't mean that she shouldn't do anything else. And right now pop Jewel is doing amazingly. Compare 0304 to so many other pop albums out there. Besides, you talk like the acoustic Jewel is gone forever. Doesn't she still play acoustic at her concerts? Even entire acoustic tours? And if its not the next album, I gaurentee you that at some point, we WILL get another acoustic one. Its bound to happen so just chill out. I know I say we should act kind and really be Everday Angels, but I'm not going to be a pushover and put up with crap because of that. Jewel sings "We will fight, not out of spite, because someone must stand up for whats right." So there you go. If this e-mail comes across as harsh, its justified. Its nice to have opinions good and bad, but when you are rude and have a biased opinion and just dont shut up about it and repeat yourself over and over, its downright annoying and puts a damper on the list and its whole point of existance. If you rely on Jewel so much, have some faith in her. Just keep in mind she will not conform to cookie cutter ideas all her life. Staying the same for the sake of a few fans even when she wants to change is just as bad as "selling-out" because in a sense it is selling out as well. Its her way or the highway I guess. I think I covered everything. Man some of the posts on this list lately sure have been bothering me. Again, I like to hear all opinions, but not when its the same rude thing over and over and over. This is a list for Jewel fans. Please keep that in mind. Peace, Mark _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:07:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "kevin maguire" Subject: [EDA] SCC/EDA's Hey Ya'll ... wzup! who's going to the Soul City Cafe thing? Is there any EDA meetings/Partys going on? Any cool eda's in LA/SD areas want to hang? Well i am in town this whole week so email or call me. And lets try to do something for the SCC thing. Kevin the Carnivore.... 831-252-8450 The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:44:55 -0230 From: "Mark Austin" Subject: [EDA] bleh Even after saying it was justified, I still feel bad for that post. I'm just saying, what a horrible thing to put that weight on someones shoulders, that they have to live a certain way for others to rely on, when that person just wanted to do what they love and make beautiful music and make a difference along the way. But Jewel is still doing that. The Jewel you loved is still there, the same meaningul songs along with the usual simplistic and love songs, just in pop form. And shes still doing acoustic stuff, and will continue to do so all her life. So yeah. Mark _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:09:03 EDT From: JeWeLNuMbEr1FaN@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Re:YOU MISS THE WHOLE POINT :-o!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Im suprised... i dont know what to say, I ........I can't believe yall are ditching JEWEL!!! You people are nuts...This is a list for LOVE of Jewel not to call her a "industry whore" ..grr...This is why most of the time I dont even read the eda mail, because no one even writes anything worth reading.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:57:51 +1000 From: Fredsteve Subject: [EDA] irving azoff Well this is good news! I'm glad for Jewel. I do think Nedra has done a good job (despite the private email that I accidentally forwarded to this list !!! lol) over the years, but as she herself admits, the music industry is in a place right now where Jewel needs someone with more specific business expertise. I think it's a good quality to be able to admit when your skills/interest no are no longer suited to your job! Anyway - to everyone that's posting all this stuff about Jewel's new manager. Do you think he does these things to his CLIENTS? No! He does these things on BEHALF of his clients. As Nedra put it - he has a reputation for being tough. Good. Jewel needs someone a bit hard-nosed protecting her career. I think it's impressive that he has had a similar client-roster/staff for 30 years. It shows that he works on behalf of the people he represents, not against them. We'll see what happens. Steve. PS - Jewel looks like she might drop out of the Top 10 in 2nd week sales. She'll probably lose about 40% of her original tally and wind up with 80 000 sold in the 2nd week. A little dissapointing but not exactly surprising - there are 6 albums debuting this week, all of which will probably come up ahead of her. She'll level at some point (hopefully at 80 000 lol) and then sell approximately the same amount of copies each week for the next few weeks at least. The single is holding on to it's bullet and showing signs that it might actually recover (maybe... but don't get your hopes up!). I *really* hope that happens, because the higher she can get in terms of airplay, the more she will sell. We really can't get into the habit of comparing the 2nd/3rd/4th week sales with This Way cause it's a totally different situation. This Way benefitted HEAVILY from the fact that it was released in the Christmas season... it managed to sell over 100 000 copies a week for several weeks, which is why it sold most of it's copies early on. 0304 won't have that benefit on it's side. So Jewel needs singles on the radio, and to just level out at a reasonable weekly sales figure... if she can hold on in the Top 50 for the better part of the next 6 months, she too will benefit from the Christmas sales period. But it's gonna be a bit harder for 0304 than it was for This Way. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:41:05 -0400 From: Dan Cole Subject: RE: [EDA] Re:YOU MISS THE WHOLE POINT "whores" is actually an anagram for "shower." Think about it. But seriously, folks. If you don't have anything nice to say about Jewel, go somewhere else. I'm all for open dialog and all, but if you think she's such a sell-out, just unsub scribe from the list. We hear enough mixed reviews of her stuff from critics without having to hear them from her most diehard fans. What will happen next? Will the Jewel Faithful get flamed by the Heretics? Tune in tomorrow for another exciting episode of Everyday Angels: The Great Schism Part IV! - -Dan *Angel Needs a Name* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:11:38 EDT From: Dave0828@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Chill Winston Alright - first person to tell me what movie the subject line's quote is out of wins a free piece of Angel Food (of my choosing). I've had a pretty good day - I'm just going to chime in with one thought and I'll leave it to you to do what you will with it. CHILL - does anyone here really feel like Jewel's best work is behind her at the age of 29? Just because you don't agree with something right now - that doesn't mean that she's not coming out with something else that will blow your mind? I for one feel that Jewel's best work is yet to come. If not on disc - then live. Relax - we don't need to be calling her a corporate..... whore(?) - did I read that right? Is that really necessary? Hang tight - the best is yet to come - if you don't believe it, where is your faith in Jewel? - she's one of a kind. We all figured that out some time ago or we wouldn't be getting this mail in our in-boxes. Later, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:14:41 -0400 From: Dan Leveillee Subject: [EDA] NJC! The Best new artist I've heard since Jewel arrived >> >> Thought some of you might dig this. >> >> Check this out: >> >> http://www.katypfaffl.com/sound/questions.mp3 >> >> >> >> >> Katy Pfaffl is simply amazing. I came across her by accident >> >> >> on Tonos.com >> >> > >> >> [Image] >> >> Katy's Web Site ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:26:49 -0400 From: "Scott" Subject: [EDA] Photo of Jewel at Broadway Under the Stars http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/030617/168/4eytv.html Does anyone know what Jewel sang? She looks great. Very sultry. - -- Scott http://scott.rocket-fish.org/ http://syd.rocket-fish.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:36:31 -0700 From: "Ashley Ascione" Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC! The Best new artist I've heard since Jewel arrived Hey...I like! Very nice :) Alli - ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Leveillee To: Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 7:14 PM Subject: [EDA] NJC! The Best new artist I've heard since Jewel arrived > >> >> Thought some of you might dig this. > >> >> Check this out: > >> >> http://www.katypfaffl.com/sound/questions.mp3 > >> >> > >> >> >> Katy Pfaffl is simply amazing. I came across her by accident > >> >> >> on Tonos.com > >> >> > > >> >> [Image] > >> >> Katy's Web Site ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:34:32 -0400 From: "Miguel A. Gonzalez" Subject: Re: [EDA] Photo of Jewel at Broadway Under the Stars Scott wrote: >http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/030617/168/4eytv.html > >Does anyone know what Jewel sang? She looks great. Very sultry. > > > "I'll Be Seeing You" (Music: Samy Fain/Lyrics: Irving Kahal) and "Always True to You in My Fashion" (Kiss Me Kate) Someone needs to remind Jewel she needs to bow at the end of these things and not just saunter off into the darkness.... Mike Longtime EDA (I don't think I've posted for eight years or so...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:54:32 EDT From: DavsAngl@aol.com Subject: [EDA] a few thoughts........ Okay i have read many of the recent posts and now is my turn to fire away a few thoughts...not intended in any way to slam anybody here just using a few quotes to put a few things in perspective..... >>>>>>> > The point is---she USED to be a very well respected songwriter among > the most critical oF critics...and now--well to be honest she is NOT. The > inspiration for the hopeless, helpless, those who felt alientated, those who > felt alone. -HAS left US. The NEW JEWEL 'the FUN" Jewel---is not what > people in > NEED or who NEEDED her wil l want to hear..its just NOT the kind of music > those HURTING listen to--and belevie me--she USED to be a soothing calm for > MANY > people HURTING. And there arent many to REPLACE her...Its sad....So the > commericalism she now wants (POPSTAR) with the LIGHT airy songs....is a > dismay to > anyone ..in PAIN, IN ISOLATION, FEELING DESPERATE..ETC. SHE IS LETTING > DOWN...THOSE WHO counted on her..to SAVE THEM...she wont be SAVING THEIR > SOULS....I > KNOW I KNOW--perhaps shes TIRED of "saving peoples Lives" and she "Wants to > have > fun" and "cant she have fun if she WANTS to have fun".....the answer to that > is--SHE SURE CAN--she can do WHATEVER she WANTS--but it IS on her conscience > to ignore...those who counted on her for so long as a ray of hope i na world > of > Chaos, confusion, and lies. This NEW JEWEL is PART of the problem of the > music industry--the commercial downfall....the HYPE to sell as many records. > Jewelblues@aol.com>>>> one is of course entitled to one's opinion, however I completely disagree. Jewel is still a respected songwriter and still very inspirational. She is doing a very brave thing, nothing wrong with experimenting as an artist. Nothing wrong with having some fun. In the wake of September 11th I think we are entitled to have some fun...have some people already forgotten this??? Let me refresh memories for those that have ...the World trade Center no longer exists in physicality, the Pentagon may have been repaired but no one can drive by , see a picture or even mention it and forget that an airliner with real people crashed into it, there is a field in Pennsylvania off the turnpike that will forever be hallowed ground. Let's see what else has happened ,oh yes ...Anthrax letters --killed people--no purpotrator caught as yet...West Nile Virus--causing painc with every mosquito...the DC area Snipers terrorized the entire area for 3 weeks in October 2002, not to mention SARS and now monkeypox....and oh yeah a little thing called "the War in Iraq"....all these things have happened since that fateful day not to mention more personal tragedies in peoples lives that have occurred since then. I think we have earned the right to have a little fun for a change( including Jewel) one cannot WALLOW in depression and despair forever least ye become the thing that we loathe. Speaking as someone who is in the business of saving lives one cannot expect someone else to take full responsibility for someone else's mental health....one saves him or herself ----others involved whether it be professionals, friends or favorite artists are merely helpers and to put responsiblity on them and not oneself is misguided and unfair. Also, those of us who are in the lifesaving business( this would also include Jewel since the quote put her in that light) need to cut loose and have fun once in a while else you would find us in a corner with a pistol to our heads. >>>>>> I think that in the end it would be Jewel's decision on whether to get bodyguards, dancers, and do merchandise marketing like you see with Britney, Nsync and pop stars like them. >>>>> Of course it would. She is the one who hired the management agency, she can fire them too should they want her to do something she doesn't like or she doesn't feel comfortable. Does anyone think she hands over her brain when she hires a new manager????Or perhaps she did since she committed the cardinal sin of Rock and Roll-----she made a ---{ GASP!!!!! } POP sounding record!!!!!!!OH MY GOD hide the women and children!!!!!!!!! Something we forget here---Jewel has something that pop stars like Britney and the like don't have. Potential for longevity...Why? TALENT------real TALENT---God struck her with a thunderbolt from Above kind of talent. The others HAVE to perform all the mass media marketing blitzes because they know they have to strike while the iron is hot because they also know that their careers are short lived. They have to milk it for all its worth because in a few short years they won't be around to make the millions why??because they have no real talent and they can't evolve and their fans are fickle and will turn on them for the next Big Thing. Artists who have a career over a lifetime have talent and the courage to evolve and go in new directions. Sometimes the attempts are not popular with fans sometimes it doesn't translate to $$$$ in record sales but so what ?????It just means the next attempt may be even greater because the artist was daring enough to do what they wanted to accomplish. It's about the art not the dollars, its about the music --not the hype. Jewel is going to be around for a long time I look for great things from her, her best work is ahead of her. I refuse to believe it's behind her. She is human afterall and there may be songs I don't like or even whole albums ,but I don't have to listen or buy them and I certainly don't have to repeatedly bash them or her if that is the case. > I also quote another very Rockin' gal who also got raked over the coals > for making a too"POP" sounding record "I'm gonna Soak up the Sun and tell > Everyone to Lighten UP!"~~~Sheryl Crow > > Peace, Light and Comic Rays, ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V8 #277 ***************************