From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V8 #129 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Wednesday, April 2 2003 Volume 08 : Number 129 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V8 #___ gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] rolling stone - VERY FUNNY! [Stephen Hallowes ] RE: [EDA] Jewel in the next Rollingstone's ["Kristen Kelley" ] [EDA] Jewel on the next rollingstone's !!! ["Fanny Roberts" ] [EDA] Intuition MP3 download [Paul Schreiber ] [EDA] excerpt from press release [Stephen Hallowes Subject: [EDA] rolling stone - VERY FUNNY! Yes well.. that was a mighty fine April fools joke. I didn't like the haircut but the prospect of Jewel being on the cover of Rolling Stone got me SO excited for a minute there... and then I realised... wait... it's April Fools Day!! Turns out the Rolling Stone picture server is based in France.... I wonder why that would be? Even more interesting is the fact that Jewel's hair was strangely in tact at the Rick Dees interview yesterday (of which there are photos and audio to come soon at www.rick.com)... so - NICE TRY whoever crafted that one up... but you didn't fool me for long. :) Steve PS - I hope the RS cover thing is true, though. Hopefully! :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 16:13:43 +1000 From: Stephen Hallowes Subject: [EDA] was i right or was i right? Hey guys This is what Fabio wrote about what Jewel said about Intuition on the radio: "She said it's a piss-take song, or something like it, of the pop culture. She's just having fun playing with pop icons, such as J LO (J's big butt), Kate Moss and Charlie Sheen. It is a some sort of critic, yes, and the video may explain it all better." Uhhh - was I RIGHT or was I RIGHT??? Thankyou! From the horses mouth... it's a piss-take. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 06:20:20 +0000 From: "Jennifer Teapot" Subject: [EDA] Intuition Hi everyone, I'm a bit of a lurker. I heard "Intuition" just then and I'm going to try and express what I want to say carefully, as I don't want to be flamed or anything. From the sounds of Intuition, we're certainly not in kansas anymore! It just didn't sound like Jewel! Which is not to say I don't like the song, I do. I didn't mind it at all, actually. I love the chorus and the lyrics. All I'm thinking is, if I didn't know it was Jewel singing and writing the lyrics, I wouldn't give it a second glance. Actually, I probably would, but just to download that one song, and that's it. But since it's Jewel, and I've been a fan since 1995 and I'm not about to stop supporting her now, I'm going to shell out $30 + on the album. I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but I think she sort of is selling out BUT, let's face it, hollywood and the music industry has done that to the best of musicians. Listening to Pieces Of You now and comparing it to Intuition, they are completely different sounds. I know Jewel has to grow musically or whatever crap, but did she have to grow so very much?! I just yearn for the old days, that's all. All in all, I like "Intuition" and I'm quite looking forward to the new album, but I can't see it becoming a classic in my collection like POY. I know ya'll are going to have differing opinions to mine and by all means, go ahead and voice them, but don't call me names or tell me to get a life. Be intelligent about it, yeah? ************************************************ Now Playing: "Pieces Of You" Jewel Please Visit: http://datura.glitterkitty.net "Help, Marge! The doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me!" Homer Simpson ************************************************ _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_mobile.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 01:14:10 -0500 From: "Kristen Kelley" Subject: RE: [EDA] Jewel in the next Rollingstone's HA HA Very Funny....April Fools!! :) ~KiKi~ "Sometimes I take your picture and I turn it to the wall, cuz you are still a cliff and baby I still know how to fall" ~Kris Delmhorst~ E2-O: The presence of this footer indicates the message has been scanned for viruses by the WebShield e500. [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] E2-O: The presence of this footer indicates the message has been scanned for viruses by the WebShield e500. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 01:26:51 EST From: ReducedToYou@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] was i right or was i right? hahahaha steve. yes you were right. as was i with my "Two Cents." ::high-five:: ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 1:57:48 -0500 From: Subject: [EDA] Does anyone else think it sounds like Shakira? Hey guys, Long time lurker, but I had to post this one. Not sure if any of you listen to Shakira, but listen to the song "Objection (Tango)". The opening of it is almost the exact same as Intuition, with that wierd latin beat that permeates both songs. Maybe its just me, but it sounds exact to me. As for liking the song, EHH its growing on me but I have a feeling (unlike previous Jewel) I may get sick of it a bit faster. But if she wants to try something new, all the power to her! Steve lostandelirious > > From: "Tom H" > Date: 2003/04/01 Tue AM 02:20:28 EST > To: > Subject: [EDA] My thoughts on "Intuition" > > I definitely thought twice before sending this post. Mainly due to the > hypersensitivity of EDAs now, and the likelihood of getting accused of chronic > masturbation if I say too much against Jewel. But then I figured I could > handle the flames, because my delete key has had a lot of excercise over the > last few days. > > I like the song, at the same time as disliking it. I like the lyrics. I > understand what a lot of you are saying about the irony of it all, the fact > that Jewel's playing with the whole 'pop' theme. Yeah, the lyrics are good, > witty and a bit clever. And you're right, that's is the most important thing. > *But* you can't enjoy a song if you don't like the sound... > > And I don't like the sound at all. I expected this new "funky" Jewel to at > least sound original. This song sounds like Jessica Simpson - you know, trying > to sound like Britney, but not quite as cool. Don't get me wrong, it's not pop > music I'm against. I'll readily admit to having Justin Timberlake's album (I > even bought it myself) and not being averse to singing along to Britney or > even (on a rare occasion) Christina. I just don't like the sound of this song. > It sounds like it's been done too many times before. It just doesn't sound > original. And I don't expect Jewel to not be original. > > I'll still be buying the new album. I have every faith that the whole CD won't > be like this. The thing I'm really worried about is how this is going to > affect Jewel's career. Everyone seems to think this is going to be a huge > single for Jewel and that everyone's going to love it. I really hope so, for > Jewel's sake. But I can't see it doing that well. As I said above, it sounds a > little too generic. And I can just see people thinking 'Jewel's trying to cash > in'. I'm worried that people are going to think Jewel's trying too hard. > > As for the arguments... This happens every time a new album is coming out. > It's old and it's boring, but kind of reassuring that, while Jewel changes and > evolves, the EDA's will never change :P. > > OK, that's it, I'm off to Mrazturbate again. > > Cheers, > Tom > > NP - > 1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 08:19:39 +0100 From: Marcus Ngo Subject: [EDA] A NEW NON AOL-VERSION (192KBS) Hi, I have just uploaded the non AOL version (without the man in background saying AOL FIRST LISTEN). Go to my site and download it! =) http://www.student.lu.se/~ihm02mng/jewel-intuition_jeweljk.zip */Marcus Ngo _____________________________________________________________ Hdr bvrjar internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis internet pe http://www.spray.se Hitta rdtt pe internet med Lycos - http://lycos.spray.se/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 03:47:48 -0500 From: "Fanny Roberts" Subject: [EDA] Jewel on the next rollingstone's !!! Hello everyone, As many of you guessed, and the pics from the yesterday's show revealed: Jewel hasn't changed her hair ! All this story was an April's fool. Thanks for the 'AP style' press release to MrBB, then for the rollingstone cover, just have a look at those 2 following urls : A Google image search : http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=blonde++short+hair&btnG=Google+Search An face from : http://www.jewelgallery.nu/picture/posed/posed110.jpg I just hope next year people which will guess right will keep the secret for the day, in the traditional April's fool way. So, she won't make the next rollingstone's cover, and please don't worry anymore : Jewel don't currently wear a Wig (as i've read on a forum). Gotcha you next year ! Fanny.... huh Francois ;) - -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 01:55:50 -0800 (PST) From: boyCradle Subject: [EDA] Foolish Games --- CLASSIC WOW! I've seen MTV classic and they're now playing Foolish Games in their list. I think Foolish games deserves to be a CLASSIC. ~~`boyCradle` Proud To Be A Pinoy!!! JEWEL PHILIPPINES http://www.geocities.com/jewel_philippines/ email: boyCradle@pinoy.org Visit Philippines 2003 Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 20:32:39 -0800 From: Paul Schreiber Subject: [EDA] Intuition MP3 download Well, I shelled out the 99 cents for the "Intuition" download. Here's what you're getting, i.e. the details on the MP3: *** Tag information for 01 Intuition.mp3 === TT2 (Title/songname/content description): Intuition === TP1 (Lead performer(s)/Soloist(s)): Jewel === TAL (Album/Movie/Show title): Jewel Promo === TRK (Track number/Position in set): 1/1 === TEN (Encoded by): iTunes v3.0.1 === COM (Comments): (iTunNORM)[eng]: 000016BF 00001608 0000B0D4 0000D6AC 00023034 00023034 00008F55 00008FC0 00026E3E 00026E3E === COM (Comments): (iTunes_CDDB_IDs)[eng]: 1++ *** mp3 info MPEG1/layer III Bitrate: 192KBps Frequency: 44KHz Cool that the used iTunes to do the encoding. :) And it's a 192 KBps file, which is nice. Everyone appears to be getting the same file, i.e. it's not watermarked. $ ls -l 01\ Intuition.mp3 - -rwxr-xr-x 1 paul paul 5581895 Mar 18 14:50 01 Intuition.mp3 $ sha1sum 01\ Intuition.mp3 668e719e305122ab5dd092ea0990ae3ff3db0df5 01 Intuition.mp3 $ md5sum 01\ Intuition.mp3 c0d9ad887a0d754043cae3ef0e9d7053 01 Intuition.mp3 What's funny is the zip (for PC) and stuff (for Mac) the files: - -rw-r--r-- 1 paul paul 5427683 Apr 1 11:32 Jewel-Intuition.zip - -rw-r--r-- 1 paul paul 5582336 Apr 1 11:31 Jewel-Intuition.sit.bin There's no point to this since the MP3 file is already compressed. And the .sit.bin file ends up being *larger*, too. Can't say I love the song, though. Paul shad 96c / uw cs 2001 / mac activist / fumbler / eda / headliner / navy-souper fan of / sophie b. / steve poltz / habs / bills / 49ers / "A kiss is a lovely trick designed by nature to stop speech when words become superfluous." -- Ingrid Bergman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 20:18:54 +1000 From: Stephen Hallowes Subject: [EDA] excerpt from press release Hey guys When they announced Intuition a couple of weeks ago they released this press release, which we've seen most of. But I found a paragraph that I thought was quite interesting. Here: "Since she recorded her first album nearly a decade ago, Jewel has continued to explore fresh avenues, branching out from her folk roots to incorporate rock, pop, country, blues, jazz, and classical influences into her work. Each successive album has found her experimenting with new sounds and widening her artistic scope, while retaining her uniquely personal lyrical style and musical authenticity. Still in her twenties, Jewel enjoys a rare career longevity among her generation of artists. Her four previous albums have sold 25 million copies worldwide." I know that's released by her record company... but I like it. Also - 25 million albums worldwide confirms that This Way sold 2 million worldwide. So that's 1.5 million in the states and 500 000 internationally. Steve. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 23:27:07 +1000 From: Stephen Hallowes Subject: [EDA] the new single - differing opinion I think we have to all stop bickering over this. Expressing your opinion in a mature fashion is not a bad thing, even if you are expressing a distaste for the song. As fans, it's our job to be critical - and everyone who has criticized the song... that's your right. Nobody should be allowed to tell you it's "wrong" to criticize Jewel cause that doesn't make you a true fan. True fans are critical... that's the nature of it. However, I do think we all have to realize what is is we're arguing about. If one more person says "she's sold out, the song sounds like Britney" I might explode. It has been well-established, by Jewel even, that this song is intended as an ironic critique of pop culture. Now, I can totally understand disliking the song despite that, just because it is very pop on face value. But claiming she's selling out to pop fads by releasing this song is pretty much missing the point, and I think we all know that. We should be discussing how successful Jewel is in her "critique"... and what kinds of effects this will have on her career. I was looking at Jewel's UK message board and somebody made a very valid point. What if the song just alienates everyone? What if it's not a convincing enough pop song to stand out and catch the attention of the fickle pop fans? And what if it's not smart enough to at the same time catch the imagine of more discerning listeners? I mean Jewel is venturing into *dangerous* waters here. What if she captures the imagination of a bunch of Britney fans, loses her core audience, and then at the end of it all when the Britney fans move on (as they do), she's left with nothing. There was a comparison made with Blink 182 - when they released All the small things... it was too pop for their punk fans, and then when they tried to release more serious material later on the pop fans deserted them. Will Jewel's fans be loyal? I'm not saying I agree with this at all. Personally I think the song does strike the right balance to work. I think it's fresh enough on face value to entice pop music listeners. I also think a lot of discerning music fans have a soft spot for this kind of pop song. I know I've shockingly found myself liking all of Justin Timberlake's singles so far... I also think the loyalty of Jewel's fans will depend on the album. I know if the entire record sounds like Intuition I'll be dissapointed. But I don't think it will. I also don't think that this has "been done" as much as some people are claiming. I can't think of another pop song in recent times that has also stood as a parody/critique of pop music and culture. The Blink 182 song doesn't cound cause it was just a video... the song had nothing to do with pop culture. I posed this question to somebody on the UK boards and she suggested the pet shop boys and david bowie. Not sure the songs she was referring to - but that's good company to be in, in my opinion. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 08:59:29 -0700 From: "charlie watkins" Subject: Re: [EDA] Does anyone else think it sounds like Shakira? I think it sounds more like Annie Lennox (Eurythmics). And I thnk it's fantastic! JewelPop lives! Chopped Liver (Charlie) watkins@selway.umt.edu http://members.aol.com/cwatkins/jerra.htm - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:57 PM Subject: [EDA] Does anyone else think it sounds like Shakira? > Hey guys, > > Long time lurker, but I had to post this one. Not sure if any of you listen to Shakira, but listen to the song "Objection (Tango)". The opening of it is almost the exact same as Intuition, with that wierd latin beat that permeates both songs. Maybe its just me, but it sounds exact to me. As for liking the song, EHH its growing on me but I have a feeling (unlike previous Jewel) I may get sick of it a bit faster. But if she wants to try something new, all the power to her! > > Steve > lostandelirious > > > > From: "Tom H" > > Date: 2003/04/01 Tue AM 02:20:28 EST > > To: > > Subject: [EDA] My thoughts on "Intuition" > > > > I definitely thought twice before sending this post. Mainly due to the > > hypersensitivity of EDAs now, and the likelihood of getting accused of chronic > > masturbation if I say too much against Jewel. But then I figured I could > > handle the flames, because my delete key has had a lot of excercise over the > > last few days. > > > > I like the song, at the same time as disliking it. I like the lyrics. I > > understand what a lot of you are saying about the irony of it all, the fact > > that Jewel's playing with the whole 'pop' theme. Yeah, the lyrics are good, > > witty and a bit clever. And you're right, that's is the most important thing. > > *But* you can't enjoy a song if you don't like the sound... > > > > And I don't like the sound at all. I expected this new "funky" Jewel to at > > least sound original. This song sounds like Jessica Simpson - you know, trying > > to sound like Britney, but not quite as cool. Don't get me wrong, it's not pop > > music I'm against. I'll readily admit to having Justin Timberlake's album (I > > even bought it myself) and not being averse to singing along to Britney or > > even (on a rare occasion) Christina. I just don't like the sound of this song. > > It sounds like it's been done too many times before. It just doesn't sound > > original. And I don't expect Jewel to not be original. > > > > I'll still be buying the new album. I have every faith that the whole CD won't > > be like this. The thing I'm really worried about is how this is going to > > affect Jewel's career. Everyone seems to think this is going to be a huge > > single for Jewel and that everyone's going to love it. I really hope so, for > > Jewel's sake. But I can't see it doing that well. As I said above, it sounds a > > little too generic. And I can just see people thinking 'Jewel's trying to cash > > in'. I'm worried that people are going to think Jewel's trying too hard. > > > > As for the arguments... This happens every time a new album is coming out. > > It's old and it's boring, but kind of reassuring that, while Jewel changes and > > evolves, the EDA's will never change :P. > > > > OK, that's it, I'm off to Mrazturbate again. > > > > Cheers, > > Tom > > > > NP - > > > > 1 ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V8 #129 ***************************