From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V8 #122 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Monday, March 31 2003 Volume 08 : Number 122 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V8 #___ gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Get_excited_about_INTUITION!!!!!!!!!_it_is_jewel =B4s_best_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?song_ever!?= [] [EDA] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BEDA=5D_Get_excited_about_INTUITION!!!!!!! !!_it_is_j?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ewel__=B4s_best_song_ever!?= [] [EDA] follow your heart!!!!!!!!! [Michiel ] [EDA] SSC - voting ["Jewel Worshiper" ] Re: [EDA] Intuition ["Sam M" ] [EDA] intuition ["Elizabeth Vickery" ] [EDA] Intuition Mp3 [] [EDA] Is Florida, New York close to NYC? [SullMa84@aol.com] Re: [EDA] intuition [rawhite78@aol.com] RE: [EDA] intuition ["Miller, Jeffrey" ] Re: [EDA] intuition ["Fabio (wnet)" ] [EDA] the new single.. [QueenMander000@cs.com] RE: [EDA] intuition ["Kovacs, Mirinda" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:50:49 +0200 From: Michiel Subject: [EDA] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Get_excited_about_INTUITION!!!!!!!!!_it_is_jewel =B4s_best_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?song_ever!?= Hello Jewelfans, I am very into the new song!! The more i listen to it, the more i enjoy the new sound. It is Jewel at her best, she rocks. The deeper meaning of her lyrics are very very well. I think it is one of Jewel4s best written songs. If this song was played on a guitar by Jewel with accordions and other instruments , then everyone would be amazed. That Jewel goes a new direction, what is bad about that ?? I do think it is great to see Jewel entertaining the fans with new MUSIC!! It is great how Jewel changes her old style to a new style. And what is wrong with experimenting so now and then in music. When Madonna released for the first time Ray of light, with the animated sound we didn4t complain ??? I just want to implify that Jewel4s change to a new music is natural, and i love that she is trying to do something new! I think Jewel rocks the world, and i am happy that she is working with Lester Mendez. Intuition will be JUST the first song of a great record. Go enjoy yourself !! Listen to Intuition and decide that this new song is Jewel4s best written song. It has nice instruments, the voice and vocals are amazing!! We have to give Jewel credit for the new sound!! Do you see how much effort she put in the song?? it is a beautiful day, and jewel is making us part of that day!! We are gods hands, we are ......gods hands !! Jewel is now in a new direction in her life, which i love. A new record, with new crowds and fans. What more can Jewel ask for?? To see new faces, to get new fans! Intuition the deeper meaning of the song is amazing. It is really well done and it shows how versatile Jewel is with her music!! Jewel is making a new turn in her career, and we just have be grateful for what she does. I love the song, from the first snippet until now, i can4t wait to get my hands on the full album!!! Jewel rocks, and the new song has made a deep reflection on me. I am proud, and i enjoy the new song. Jewel, you amazed your fans hehe!! We are enjoying the new song, and it will certainly give you a lot of positive reviews in the post. Jewel is back, and she is deserving a grammy award next year! take care, Michiel the dutch jewelfan http://www.jewelkilcher.nl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:04:24 +0100 From: "Chris Groves" Subject: [EDA] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BEDA=5D_Get_excited_about_INTUITION!!!!!!! !!_it_is_j?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ewel__=B4s_best_song_ever!?= I'm sorry I can't. When's Jewel's acoustic cd coming out? Chris. http://www.jewelfan.co.uk : Jewel - Pieces Of UK http://pub70.ezboard.com/fmusicpromosdiscussionfrm14 : Official UK Jewel Forum ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:31:56 +0200 From: Michiel Subject: [EDA] follow your heart!!!!!!!!! hehe!! Jewelfans, The more i listen to it, the more i think this song has all the powers to get jewel in the right direction hehe!! THe song has al the parts of that a song needs. It has catcy lyrics, beautiful voice of jewel and great technical beats. I do love it, it is not over produced and jewel makes funny comments about the whole pop industry. It is just amazing cool, follow your heart. Jewel is great, and she is enjoying the new way she paved for herself. Jewel rocks my world and this song will make me even more excited for a new tour!! It is just wicked and so nice to listen to it over and over again! I promise !!!!!!! Jewel follows her heart, her intuition, it will lead you in the right direction!!!!!!!!!! hehe Jewel is pretty and the new song just show how versatile jewel is!! bye michiel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:00:42 -0800 From: "Jewel Worshiper" Subject: [EDA] SSC - voting http://www.soulcitycafe.com/vote/contest.asp?contestid=6#vote are there going to be more people to choose from later? 'cause i don't like any of these. :\ - --Jewel Worshiper-- http://www.angelfire.com/crazy/jk_worshipers/main.html (my Jewel Page) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jewel is GOD WWJD --- What Would Jewel Do "if you talk, you get shot randomly" ~Jewel _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:03:32 -0500 From: "Sam M" Subject: Re: [EDA] Intuition Steve, you know I like you and that I think you are a really smart guy, but you and I just have a fundamental disagreement about the appropriate interpretation of this song. Sure, I concede that it is lyrically superior to Paula or Britney or whatever other talentless marketing act may make similar-sounding songs, but I think you're off the mark in assuming that a serious artist would parody their whole art and sound in order to parody someone else's art and sound. I mean, honestly, if she's poking fun at them by bastardizing herself, what's left? I think you're just being overly optimistic and forgiving because it's Jewel, which may be valid and even noble, but I personally refuse to do the same. Moreover, you can't read so much into the satire aspect of this one song in light of the overall message about this album which has been that Jewel is consciously moving in this direction, like on purpose. Do we really think Jewel made an entire album of tongue-in-cheek references? Hard to make that idea sit well with the ordinarily heavy-handed bluntness and utter lack of guile normally accompanying her music. Anyway, all of this esoteric mumbo-jumbo doesn't change the fundamental fact that I think this tune objectively sounds like garbage (that is to say refuse, not garbage the band). Incidentally, your comment on Jewel singing her own harmonies versus backup singers was irritating. Are we going to point out spelling errors in each other's posts now too? Until you've seen credits for the song, please withhold any such speculation. Jewel used backup singers on This Way, and may have done the same here - we don't know. Sam - --- I know I've posted about a million times recently.... I read the digest and there were like 6 consecutive posts in a row from me... it was kind of embarassing. But anyway... IT WAS ALL RELEVANT, I say!! I just wanted to respond to this. They're not "backup singers"... it's Jewel singing harmonies. I think it sounds good. I like the retro 80's references, but I certainly don't think the whole song sounds like Paula Abdul. I preferred Scott's comparison to Garbage. Is nobody getting the irony contained within this song? You say she's "following trends"... what do you think she's REFERRING to in the first verse when she talks about post modern fads. That's entirely her point - - - pop culture is just a series of meaningless trends that wind up invalidating each other. With this song she's putting herself in that context - saying "if you want me, let me know i promise i won't say no"... it's like she's saying "do you want this fad?" That's part of the point of the song. If you think she's just mindlessly following another meaningless trend or fad then you're missing her point. And if you think she's just following another meaningless trend to get a hit, then you're AGAIN missing the point because in the song she talks about "selling your sin" and "cashing in" and says "you will love me, just wait and see"... which is exactly along the lines of why you think she's doing this!!!! She *wants* a hit doens't she? She *wants* people to "love her". It's IN the song.. everything you're saying. Jewel agrees with you. Except she's saying it in a much more interesting and original way than picking up good 'ol "big blue" and writing a heartful folk-ballad about consumerism. Just look beneath the surface for a minute, and you'll see what I'm saying. Seriously. I'm not saying the whole song is like a send-up.. cause send-up's are very one-dimensional. Weird Al is a sendup... that's not this song. I'm saying this song works on many levels. Jewel said herself she wanted to create a more lyrical dimension to pop music. She's taken a pop formula, and added a layer of lyrical depth within that formula, but the clever part is that the lyrical depth speaks to both the song's poppiness (in terms of pop culture in general) and *also* to all the assumptions people are going to make about how this song is Jewel selling out. And even more clever is the fact that that self-reference as a concept is extremely post-modern in itself... so therein lies another layer. Steve. - -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:15:14 -0500 From: "Elizabeth Vickery" Subject: [EDA] intuition ok, i decided to stop lurking in order to post about the new song. first of all, you are all pissing me off! come on people, just admit that unless jewel puts on poy2, none of you will ever be totally happy with the direction jewel is going in. i think "intuition" is a lot of fun. it reminds me of madonna back when madonna sang good songs, not weird, stupid songs like she sings now (don't get mad, i love madonna, just not her last couple of albums). you're all intitled to like or hate a song, but it just seems like anything she puts out that is different in any sort of way to her acoustic stuff will piss you off and you'll threaten to not buy the album. i don't know, i just think many of you are stuck in the past when it comes to new jewel. maybe i'm too "pro-jewel", but i pretty much like anything she does, because i love her and her lyrics and i'm open to any music type. it's the song that does it for me, not "i hate britney because she's pop." i don't know if this makes sense, but oh well :) oh, by the way, i think this song kind of sounds like "poem to a horse" by shakira (at least the beginning of it). so if any of you have shakira's album, you will know what i'm talking about! ~Liz p.s. I live in Philadelphia, and some of the septa buses have banners for trio, which is some new tv station (i think humphrey's was recorded on this station) and jewel is on the banners! it doesn't really look like her though, i actually thought it was cate blanchette at first! alright sorry, done rambling! _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:20:46 -0500 (EST) From: Subject: [EDA] Intuition Mp3 I thought I posted this here already, but I didn't see it in the digest, so anyway... I have the full version from AOL in mp3 format, & I'm sharing it on WinMX. If anyone wants it, my username there is X5-452. http://forums.delphiforums.com/dafanclub http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dafanclub http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jewelfans ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:24:47 EST From: SullMa84@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Is Florida, New York close to NYC? I've found a campground that claims to be 46 Miles from TImes Square. It's in florida, new york and it has cabins for $40 a night. Is there ways to get to the city from here by subway or bus or whatever? Or someplace you can park for under $20 for the day and then get a transit ride to the city? Sorry guys never been to NYC. The only big cities that i know transportation for is milwaukee and chicago! + + + + + + + Jewel's new album in stores June 3rd!!! + AOL Users hear Jewel's new single on First Listen starting Monday! + What I'm listening to: "Fighter" By Christina Aguilera "Can I Walk With You" By India.Arie "Ignition (Remix) By R. Kelly + + + + + + ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:29:58 EST From: rawhite78@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] intuition In a message dated 3/31/03 2:16:20 PM Central Standard Time, roxygrl628@msn.com writes: > Just admit that unless > jewel puts on poy2, none of you will ever be totally happy with the > direction jewel is going in. i think "intuition" is a lot of fun. it > reminds me of madonna back when madonna sang good songs, not weird, stupid > songs like she sings now (don't get mad, i love madonna, just not her last > couple of albums). > > Ummm, okay, So some EDAs liked it when Jewel sang "good songs, not weird, stupid songs like she sings now (don't get mad, they love jewel, just not her last couple of albums)" Not to say that I didn't like parts of This way personally, but I just wanted to use Liz's comments to make a point... We all have our own tastes. I may like "Die another Day" but really dislike "Material Girl" or I might dislike Intuition, but really like "Boy Needs a Bike." Just a couple of cents worth, Row ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:35:33 -0800 From: "Miller, Jeffrey" Subject: RE: [EDA] intuition > -----Original Message----- > From: rawhite78@aol.com [mailto:rawhite78@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 12:30 PM > To: jewel@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [EDA] intuition > > > In a message dated 3/31/03 2:16:20 PM Central Standard Time, > roxygrl628@msn.com writes: > > > Just admit that unless > > jewel puts on poy2, none of you will ever be totally happy with the > > direction jewel is going in. Heh.. yeah, because I dislike: > > madonna back when madonna sang good songs, > not weird, stupid > > songs like she sings now (don't get mad, i love madonna, > just not her last couple of albums). > Ummm, okay, So some EDAs liked it when Jewel sang "good > songs, not weird, > stupid songs like she sings now (don't get mad, they love > jewel, just not her > last couple of albums)" That's true enough for me. Spirit.. well, whatever. The last one had some nice bright spots, but again, fairly uneven. - -j- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:51:03 -0300 From: "Fabio (wnet)" Subject: Re: [EDA] intuition I agree. As much as I would love to see an acoustic record, I like the fun of having new different songs. Jewel can certainly pull it off, I'm loving Intuition and I am very excited to get the album. When Standing Still came out, I was like "what a poor song!". It took a long while to grow on me but now I think it's a great pop song. Intuition is also a grower but I like it more than SS, mainly because of the lyrics, which are simply fantastic! I think Intuition could get some Alternative airplay, if given a chance. It's very different. I don't see how you all think it's incredibly pop. Fabio ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:57:09 EST From: QueenMander000@cs.com Subject: [EDA] the new single.. Oh my god! lol. why does jewel give a shit if kate moss cant find a job? most certianly doesnt sound like the jewel i knew. shes doin new stuff, but its only new to her. not the same redundant churned out garbage of the majority of the top 40 pop industry. - -mander ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:08:39 -0600 From: "Kovacs, Mirinda" Subject: RE: [EDA] intuition Liz wrote: just admit that unless jewel puts on poy2, none of you will ever be totally happy with the direction jewel is going in. Give me a break!!! I have all of her CD's that she has released and I like them all. POY is actually not my favorite Jewel CD. I like This Way the best. Liz wrote: you're all intitled to like or hate a song, but it just seems like anything she puts out that is different in any sort of way to her acoustic stuff will piss you off and you'll threaten to not buy the album. Again I say bull! This Way was not an acoustic album and I seem to recall almost everyone on this list saying how wonderful it was! There were not many negative comments. People complained about certain songs, but overall I think most people liked the CD. When I listen to Intuition it makes me ill. Yeah, I agree with everyone that the lyrics are good. But how can you get past the crap to hear the lyrics? It IS pop, and to me it does sound like Britney or any of the others. I refuse to be like you and say that "i pretty much like anything she does, because i love her and her lyrics" I have a mind of my own. I may admire Jewel, and she will still be one of my favorite artists, but I will not blindly like anything that she does just because she did it. I stand by my statement that I do NOT like this song. And if the whole CD is that way I will not waste my money on it. Sorry if that pisses you off. - -Mi Rinda ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V8 #122 ***************************