From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V8 #119 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Monday, March 31 2003 Volume 08 : Number 119 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V8 #___ gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [EDA] AOL first listen is out there ["Sandy" ] RE: Re: [EDA] AOL first listen is out there [Marcus Ngo ] [EDA] intuition.....complete ["Jewel Worshiper" ] [EDA] Germany and Sweden Releasedates [Marcus Ngo ] [EDA] Re: ohmygod:( [V Alex Brennen ] Re: [EDA] Re: ohmygod:( ["Scott" ] [EDA] A little bit dissapointed! [Marcus Ngo ] [EDA] well... [Stephen Hallowes ] [EDA] Intuition, part 2 ["Scott" ] [EDA] Cashing in on Intuition ["Scott" ] [EDA] Intuition! ["charlie zidon" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 01:20:32 -0500 From: "Sandy" Subject: Re: [EDA] AOL first listen is out there > Remember if > you don't put the (AOL Single) part on you'll get seacrh results for the > spoof copy that the RIAA floated out there. I can't find it on there, only the 45 second clip... so if anyone has the whole AOL first listen in mp3, maybe they could put it on a webpage until some people can download it, and it'll be easier to find? also, why does everyone keep calling the short clip a "spoof"? a spoof is a fake, and it's not fake, it's just short.... ~ Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:24:32 +0100 From: Marcus Ngo Subject: RE: Re: [EDA] AOL first listen is out there I can't find it either! If you have it please share it with us!!! Thanx! */Marcus Ngo > ------- Ursprungligt meddelande ------- > > Fren: Sandy > Datum: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 01:20:32 -0500 > >> Remember if >> you don't put the (AOL Single) part on you'll get seacrh results for the >> spoof copy that the RIAA floated out there. > >I can't find it on there, only the 45 second clip... so if anyone has the >whole AOL first listen in mp3, maybe they could put it on a webpage until >some people can download it, and it'll be easier to find? > >also, why does everyone keep calling the short clip a "spoof"? >a spoof is a fake, and it's not fake, it's just short.... > >~ Sandy > > _____________________________________________________________ Hdr bvrjar internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis internet pe http://www.spray.se Vill du ockse ha 15 MB gratis? - http://www.spray.se/mail Return-Path: Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [199.201.145.78]) by lmin07.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA47225042 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:20:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from smoe.org (ident-user@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smoe.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2V6KcO6012290 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 01:20:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2V6Kcl0012288 for jewel-outgoing; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 01:20:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.73]) by smoe.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2V6KZO6012274 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 01:20:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from desktop ([24.114.234.68]) by fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with ESMTP id <20030331061928.EDCT251620.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@de sktop> for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 01:19:28 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c2f74d$a26c8a80$44ea7218@desktop> From: "Sandy" To: References: <15d.1dbff7cb.2bb9275a@aol.com> Subject: Re: [EDA] AOL first listen is out there Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 01:20:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [24.114.234.68] using ID at Mon, 31 Mar 2003 01:19:28 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=CARRIAGE_RETURNS,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OE version=2.43 Sender: owner-jewel@smoe.org Precedence: bulk > Remember if > you don't put the (AOL Single) part on you'll get seacrh results for the > spoof copy that the RIAA floated out there. I can't find it on there, only the 45 second clip... so if anyone has the whole AOL first listen in mp3, maybe they could put it on a webpage until some people can download it, and it'll be easier to find? also, why does everyone keep calling the short clip a "spoof"? a spoof is a fake, and it's not fake, it's just short.... ~ Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:29:59 +0100 From: Marcus Ngo Subject: [EDA] How to record things... Go to Volume Control and select Recording Control. Select the option "What U Hear" then you will be able to record sounds from your computer! ! */Marcus Ngo _____________________________________________________________ Hdr bvrjar internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis internet pe http://www.spray.se Vill du ockse ha 15 MB gratis? - http://www.spray.se/mail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 23:10:21 -0800 From: "Jewel Worshiper" Subject: [EDA] intuition.....complete finally!!! lol. THANK YOU SO MUCH MICHELE!!!! YOU ROCK!!! its on my site! :P - --Jewel Worshiper-- http://www.angelfire.com/crazy/jk_worshipers/main.html (my Jewel Page) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jewel is GOD WWJD --- What Would Jewel Do "if you talk, you get shot randomly" ~Jewel _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:08:43 +0100 From: Marcus Ngo Subject: [EDA] Germany and Sweden Releasedates The yet-untitled-album will be released in Germany and Sweden on 3rd June and Intutition on 12th May! */Marcus Ngo _____________________________________________________________ Hdr bvrjar internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis internet pe http://www.spray.se Vill du ockse ha 15 MB gratis? - http://www.spray.se/mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 03:12:25 -0500 (EST) From: V Alex Brennen Subject: [EDA] Re: ohmygod:( I only heard part of it but I would call this like 'electronic pop' not dance or techno. It reminded me of the pop singers from the 80's when they where using the synthesizers - like Paula Abdul from American Idol. But yeah, unfortunately I don't think it is going to be very popular. I live in Miami and I am in a different major city for a while every couple months or so and I am into the techno scene. I haven't heard anything like this in Miami or San Francisco - where I most often go to clubs. This is a mix of techno and pop that is just going to be hard to dance to though. The vocals are way to far forward and complex and there's too many traditional instruments (brass and synthesized accordion?). The song just didn't have a smooth flow because of all the instrument changes and a drum loop that got drowned out in a couple places. I was expecting some thing like Crystal Method's "Jaded", or the Chemical Brothers' "Alive Alone". I was looking forward to hearing something like that from Jewel. I think it would have been good if Jewel teamed up with someone like Crystal Method before trying to do this on her own. She totally has the mojo to do that. If she wanted it to be commercial since she's pretty corporate instead of just a jam session, she could have done it for a movie or something. Garbage is an awesome band, and they did a track with Crystal Method called "I think I'm Crystallized" which was really good. I think I first heard that at 1515 Folsom and every was just totally in it. Then when I heard there was a Cuban American producing it I though it might have be like some of the salsa electronic type stuff they play down here in South Beach every once in a while. But, there's not really any of that in the part of the song that I heard. I donno, I wish her luck. I think someone might be able to make a good re-mix of it to dance to. If I can find the vocal track on FreeNet maybe I will mess with it. If this album isn't successful, I hope she doesn't get discouraged from releasing another one. - VAB > On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 00:37:06 EST Heidi wrote: > > wow.... > I just listened to Intuition about 10 times trying to find a Piece of Jewel > in the song. I am in shock right now. I was excited to hear the full song > after hearing the clip. I Love jewel but guys this is bad. I know she is > experimenting and if you like this kind of music then i guess you will dig > the song and you wont be too upset about it but i guess im just not into that > scene and the fact that jewel is melting into it is so disappointing. its > not just so so. it is complete crap and i dont think i would like it even if > it was sung by someone that i expect this kind of "music" from. > i wish i could describe it better for those of you who are unable to listen > to it but you will hear it soon enough on the radio maybe.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 03:36:31 -0500 From: "Scott" Subject: Re: [EDA] Re: ohmygod:( <> I'd have to disagree. I don't know how much you've heard, but I personally think this is a GREAT song to dance to. Of course it won't get playes in techno clubs in this format, but in regular clubs.. Yes. Very, very good dance song. Trust me. I've been moving to it for the past few hours. - -- Scott http://scott.rocket-fish.org/ http://syd.rocket-fish.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:40:31 +0100 From: Marcus Ngo Subject: [EDA] A little bit dissapointed! I'm a little bit dissapointed! =( Sounds too much Shakira! =(=( I liked Shakira when she came out with her English album but then she has been so annoying because she was everywhere!! And I don't know if this is the right direction for Jewel to go! She should stay the way she was like on THIS WAY! Maybe she want to be more commercial I dunno. The song is still very good but not Jewel-style. But no doubt this will be a radiohit! =)=) About the backup dancers. Oh my God! Don't do this Jewel!!!! I can't either see Jewel performing this song live. Let's just hope she can make it good. */Marcus Ngo _____________________________________________________________ Hdr bvrjar internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis internet pe http://www.spray.se Vill du ockse ha 15 MB gratis? - http://www.spray.se/mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:47:08 +1000 From: Stephen Hallowes Subject: [EDA] well... Ahh...well.... hmm. I had the most frustrating afternoon. I heard the song twice (thanks to that kind EDA who lent me his AOL connection for ten minutes!) and then had to go to University and sit in an Art History lecture for two hours.... I could *not* concentrate. And you know why? Because running through my words was the melody "follow your heeeaarrt your intuiiiition it will lead you in right direction"... seriously guys, if Atlantic Records can't get a hit out of this song, they should just pack up and go home.... it's an absolute CORKER of a pop song, that's for sure. Now that I've heard it a few more times I can give you my full opinion: I like the song. It's a lot more pop than I expected, but I don't mind that. Good pop music can be great. Most of the pop music of recent times (Britney, Nsync, J-Lo) has sucked, simply because it's an exercise in marketing, not music. However, Jewel has enough artistic integrity to pull this off. The song has soul. I think the song has a LOT of good things about it - it has a GREAT groove. The beat absolutely kicks. It's also poppy in a good way - all the pop elements (the catchy melody, the strings, the beat, the vocal production) are used to good effect, and aren't cheesy. They could've been, but they aren't. I like the vocal production. They let her voice shine through properly in the verses and chorus... and use some interesting effects and filters in the bridge. I think it works. The song is very pop, however there's a lot of slightly more unconventional things about it as well. The accordian is a great addition - it creates a very organic sound around the pop beat. I also like a lot of the keyboards... very funky. Also there's something very dark about the song as well. I mean it's a upbeat pop song... but it has this kind of ... dark tone. I can't explain it. But it's very mysterious to me. And the thing I love the most are the lyrics, there's something very dark about them - the song is basically a critique of consumer culture and the fact that pop culture is basically based around "fads"... and Jewel basically puts herself into that context. Like when she says "if you want me, let me know it" she's referring to herself in the context of a pop fad, I think. I also love the line "sell your sin. just cash in" So it's like she's released this mega pop song... and then said "look closer". I think the fact that the song is so pop makes that message more impacting. Jewel isn't just singing about loving a dude or "i'm a slave 4 u"... she's asking a significant cultural question. I think the video will help hammer home this point. Personally this hits home with me because I think a lot of what she's saying is basically the entire basis of what's wrong with our society.. anyway, enough of me ranting... Having said all that - I have to say there are a lot of you who won't like this song. Listening to the song, it's almost hard to believe that Jewel is the same person who released "Pieces of You". That's not a bad thing though. She pulled that off and she pulls this off too, and whether you like it or not it speaks volumes about her versatility. Also, you have to look at this song within the context of an album. It's the first single, so it's obviously the poppiest thing on there. I WILL be dissapointed if every song on the record is like this, but I would've been severely dissapointed if every song on This Way was like Standing Still. It's not going to happen. This record is going to have it's equivalent "New Wild West", you bet (in fact I heard it's called "America"). Steve. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 02:00:28 -0500 From: "Scott" Subject: [EDA] Intuition, part 2 Ok, I know I just wrote about the song, but after listening to it a few times.. Ok, you're mostly all going to hate the song at first but... listen. Give it a few listens and think about this. Knowing from the Jewel newsletter that the video is going to spoof all the current pop stars, I noticed that half of the lyrics are typical pop stuff and the other half is pop culture references and mockery. Listen to how...almost jaded it sounds in parts. "Sell your sin, just cash in" "You'll love me, just wait and see" So I take the song as a biting mockery type deal, but even on face value it's wonderful. Accordian with a dance beat over it? C'mon, people! That's brilliant! I don't see it as Britney-esque.. It's more new-school Garbage.. That's what I thought. It sounds like an outtake from beautifulgarbage. =) I give it thumbs-up. And I know controversy and Jewel hating is impending, but that's absolutely silly. You all better check out the album when it surfaces because it'll be your loss. - -- Scott http://scott.rocket-fish.org/ http://syd.rocket-fish.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 01:32:45 -0500 From: "Scott" Subject: [EDA] Cashing in on Intuition You guys are looking at it the wrong way, in my opinion.. This whole thing is so tongue-in-cheek, it's WONDERFUL. Like, maybe the song and everything is not a complete parody, but it seems to me like the echos and mechanizations and shit are all completely on purpose.. She's using Britney's saliva to spit right back in her face.. Ok, bad analogy, but you know what I mean.. And this ISN'T NSYNC pop.. This is like...new-school Garbage. Mixed with Shakira. Totally. Great pop song. Not much depth, but it's the the frickin' SINGLE. - -- Scott http://scott.rocket-fish.org/ http://syd.rocket-fish.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 06:59:51 +0000 From: "charlie zidon" Subject: [EDA] Intuition! Hey Angels, Thanks to some "ANGELS" I got to listen to the song being a NON AOL Subscriber! I will first tell you, someone is making it sound better then putting it on their site for you all, so need not fear! You will all hear it soon!!!!:) My review: I think the song is AWESOME!!!!!!!! Sure it IS poppy, but don't let that get you! I mean I know not everyone will like it, but if you haven't heard it, DON'T FEAR ALL IS LOST!:) You may just love it! It is poppy as i said YET Jewel has a way of making things her own! She took pop and reshapped it for her voice! It is beautiful! She is just JEWEL and everything she does is JEWEL! Haha! I don't know how else to say it! I just think that she hit it home trying out this hip hop pop stuff! If you don't like the song, STILL don't be sad. Think of how much your going to get to see her dance!!!:) I LOVE to see her dance so I think this will be a very high energy and fun tour this summer! I can't wait! Dancing is another thing Jewel REALLY makes her own.. haha;) Charlie ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V8 #119 ***************************