From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V8 #78 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Saturday, March 8 2003 Volume 08 : Number 078 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V8 #___ gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] NJC: Norah ["Lew - New World Warehouse" ] RE: [EDA] "A naked thigh has much to talk about . . . . ["Mark Austin" Subject: [EDA] NJC: Norah I will have to agree with the whole thing with Norah being more of a musician than Britney, but I still think just bashing Britney in general is kinda bad. I mean, she's definitely a commercial puppet in my opinion, but I think the thing that everyone should try to be is more tolerant in general. That would keep a lot of the crap off of this list and less stress for everyone involved. Either way, just wanted throw my two cents in... Hey, Minh you better jump in - they're messin with your woman (Norah) - heh.... Oh - shameless plug: Those in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area - Coilback is playing on March 15th at Dreamworld in Arlington - come support an EDA (pleeeeeze). Lew www.coilback.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 17:39:57 +1100 From: "Steven J Neville" Subject: [EDA] NJC: Singers vs Singer/Songwriters Hey all Just wondering why so many people seem to hold in higher standing those artists who write their own songs. Sure, someone like Jewel has the ability to write some amazing songs, and then perform them in the manner that they deserve, but why look down on someone who only performs songs written by someone else? There are many people who can create incredible songs but couldn't sing them well if their life depended on it. If someone can take a good song and make it sound great through their own particular vocal style, does it matter whether or not they wrote it? I don't think Ella Fitzgerald, as an example, wrote her own songs. Does that diminish her standing as one of the world's greatest singers? I personally don't believe so. Steven J Neville - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - --------- Sarchasm: The gulf between the orator of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - --------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 01:44:40 EST From: JeWeLNuMbEr1FaN@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: Singers vs Singer/Songwriters Me either, that is so dumb to me I write songs, but can sing worth a shit...SO why can't I let someone else sing my songs? .....I dont see what the big deal is! And it makes me mad when I hear "norah shouldn't have a got the grammys cause she didn't write the song" That is SO stupid....Ugh! That pisses me off, lol...She is a good artist..not everyone is as great as Jewel and can write awesome songs and sing them ;) I dont know if this even makes, sense and its prolly just repeating..but yea..it makes me mad when people say that! Norah's voice is awesome...Even jewel loves her voice ;) She plays piano..and she said shes learning guitar....i bet her next album she'll be writing a lot of songs... anyway thats just me "2 cents" ~MicheLe* The not so angel, Angel :) angelfood http://www.geocities.com/jewelnumber1fan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 02:23:10 EST From: Dave0828@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: Singers vs Singer/Songwriters While you can never really discount someone's singing ability whether they sing their own songs or someone else's songs, you can discount their credibility as an artist when they do not write and perform their own songs. It seems to many that it's a lot more meaningful to write a song yourself, then perform it live. Jewel's live performances are that much more heartfelt because she takes a song that she wrote from personal experience and relives some of that emotion every time she sings the songs live. It's something that a lot of people who are not country music fans have always taken issue with. If you watch almost any video on CMT there is usually a songwriting credit. So - the record company took the right face and voice and packaged them with someone else's work to churn out some hits. One notable exception to this in the world of country music is Shania Twain. She wouldn't allow Nashville to write her songs for her. Her songs all have her name by them. But, most country music stars are 'acts' or 'singers' - most people don't consider them to be artists. They're just put into the right package like pop-stars (i.e. N-SYNC - Britney - Backstreet Boys). When you write a paper in school are you prouder of the paper that you wrote every word of or the one that you paraphrased someone else's work just to get through the assignment faster? In the case of someone like Norah Jones it's just a simple statement that while many people enjoy her singing, they'd likely like to hear what she can to when she puts her own pen to paper. This takes nothing away from her singing ability and certainly no one is lumping Norah into the same category as Britney - or at least they shouldn't be. Jazz and blues artists (I like the previous e-mailers Ella Fitzgerald example) have been reinventing and interpreting the same songs for years. Pickup Stanley Jordan's Standards Vol. 1 (there is no Volume 2 to date - about 15 yrs now). You'll hear him play other people's songs in a way that you'll never hear anyone else ever do them. His proficiency at his instrument is not to be questioned. But, he didn't take the idea from its inception and take its through its evolution. He took what someone else created and expanded upon it. Of course, this is just an example of one other highly respected artist. Stanley is actually on the same label, Blue Note, as Norah Jones. Stanley has recorded many of his own compositions as well. No one, due to his unique style of guitar playing and composition skills, will ever question him as an artist. People are just wanting to see Norah Jones have the same level of success using her own compositional skills. The line that is being blurred in this conversation is the one that separated singer and artist. Many people simply believe that a singer is a singer, but a singer / songwriter can better be called an artist. I believe this. I play guitar. But, I usually play someone else's work. So, I call myself a guitar player - I don't call myself an artist. Norah Jones sang someone else's songs. She didn't have to conceive the ideas and make them grow into the final product. She took someone else's ideas and honed them into what they became on her record. So - many people, me included, are simply going to respect someone who creates their own work more than someone who expands on someone else's. To steal from Kevin Smith - Holden McNeil drew the Bluntman and Chronic comic in Chasing Amy. Banky Edwards was the inker (have I watched this movie enough times?). While the finished product was not complete until Banky added color and definition, there were those who respected Holden's work far more because he drew the original artwork while Banky never went outside the original ideal in his additions to the original drawings. Nobody is faulting the songwriters for handing Norah the songs so that she could perform them the way that they felt they needed to be performed. Nobody is faulting Norah for choosing the proper songs to perform. Everybody is simply stating that they would rather see someone who put their own blood, sweat and tears into the creative process win awards on Grammy night. And that's all I have to say about that. (for now) Later, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 02:36:54 -0800 From: "Larry G." Subject: [EDA] "A naked thigh has much to talk about . . . . More of you should have followed Kevin's call for an EDA trek to hear Steve Poltz at the Hotel Cafi in L.A. last night. Not only did Steve have a great show, but Jewel did as well. To the delight of the crowd of about 35, Jewel arrived mid-set and joined Steve and Doug Pettibone on stage to sing "I Thought I Saw You Last Night" and (after not being able to remember the words to "My Body Is Changing") "Old Liver Sauce." Steve then asked Jewel to sing some songs for him (and the rest of us). The set: "Cowboy Waltz" (a/k/a "Fly To Me Angel") "Louisa And Her Blue Guitar" (Yes. Really. Awesome.) "Near You Always" Then, on request (after a certain kookybaka EDA delivered Jewel a bottle of water and got a kiss from Jewel), she reluctantly sang "Violet Eyes." (She was reluctant because she didn't think she could handle the sadness of it, but she nailed it. There was white light in the room emanating from Jewel during this song.) Then (also by request) "Carnivore" (the best rendition I've heard; the white light remained.) After that, Steve (and Doug) re-joined Jewel on stage, and together they did: "You Were Meant For Me" "Silver Lining" (a crack-up version), and, finally, "Love Is A Rose" (A total hoot, as usual. The best Jewel verse ended with "Boy does Jesus deliver." Ask me privately.) What an awesome (and screamingly funny) show. Kevin even got his picture taken with Jewel. Next time, - -=-Larry-=- kevin maguire wrote: > > > Whats going on with the EDAs? Lets do something up here in the Bay Area, San Francisco, Santa Cruz, Monterey? Meet in LA or SD for a Poltz concert... Or any EDAs in the area want to just chill and hang out, swap Angel food.... > > Let me know... > > kevin... POLTZ ROCKS! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 12:13:41 +0100 From: "Michiel" Subject: RE: [EDA] "A naked thigh has much to talk about . . . . Wow larry this really kicks!!! I can imagine how the atmosphere would have been! The more i think i live in europe, the sadder it is. I wish i could go to a lot of shows, and i am really happy that you enjoyed yourself so much! to see jewel, steve poltz, and doug pettibone, good old one from the spirit tour :) made a funny and memorable event for you! i would loved to have been there that night, i think it was funny to see jewel perform!!! Did you record this or any other fan, or did some one take some photos! what a good show, and what spontaneous of jewel to arrive at steve poltz set. the more i think of it, the more i wished i would have been there! but great review, and the songs that jewel played were great, she still can do some good accoustic tracks, which is good to know, especially with her new record coming out! did anyone ask her about her new single, and what can you tell us what jewel was wearing this night, it is so fun that she arrives as unexpected guest at a steve poltz show! you and kevin must be lucky larry! but i enjoyed your review!! bye michiel - -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-jewel@smoe.org [mailto:owner-jewel@smoe.org]Namens Larry G. Verzonden: zaterdag 8 maart 2003 11:37 Aan: jewel@smoe.org Onderwerp: [EDA] "A naked thigh has much to talk about . . . . More of you should have followed Kevin's call for an EDA trek to hear Steve Poltz at the Hotel Cafi in L.A. last night. Not only did Steve have a great show, but Jewel did as well. To the delight of the crowd of about 35, Jewel arrived mid-set and joined Steve and Doug Pettibone on stage to sing "I Thought I Saw You Last Night" and (after not being able to remember the words to "My Body Is Changing") "Old Liver Sauce." Steve then asked Jewel to sing some songs for him (and the rest of us). The set: "Cowboy Waltz" (a/k/a "Fly To Me Angel") "Louisa And Her Blue Guitar" (Yes. Really. Awesome.) "Near You Always" Then, on request (after a certain kookybaka EDA delivered Jewel a bottle of water and got a kiss from Jewel), she reluctantly sang "Violet Eyes." (She was reluctant because she didn't think she could handle the sadness of it, but she nailed it. There was white light in the room emanating from Jewel during this song.) Then (also by request) "Carnivore" (the best rendition I've heard; the white light remained.) After that, Steve (and Doug) re-joined Jewel on stage, and together they did: "You Were Meant For Me" "Silver Lining" (a crack-up version), and, finally, "Love Is A Rose" (A total hoot, as usual. The best Jewel verse ended with "Boy does Jesus deliver." Ask me privately.) What an awesome (and screamingly funny) show. Kevin even got his picture taken with Jewel. Next time, - -=-Larry-=- kevin maguire wrote: > > > Whats going on with the EDAs? Lets do something up here in the Bay Area, San Francisco, Santa Cruz, Monterey? Meet in LA or SD for a Poltz concert... Or any EDAs in the area want to just chill and hang out, swap Angel food.... > > Let me know... > > kevin... POLTZ ROCKS! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 08:16:43 -0500 From: "Pupecki, Stacy" Subject: [EDA] NEW CD the big question about her new cd is.... will there be any yodeling on it? ;-) Stacy p. "ct angel needs a ride" (\o/) /_\ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 10:56:19 -0330 From: "Mark Austin" Subject: RE: [EDA] "A naked thigh has much to talk about . . . . Ohhhhhh... Out of all of the Jewel shows I would've wanted to be at, THAT would've been the one if I had to choose. Such a small crowd, and so spontaneous, and the few songs played were awesome. (I LOVE Louisa and Her Blue Guitar, I'm glad it was resurrected!) Also you said she did the best rendition of Carnivore yet... And hasn't it been a while since shes been around Poltz? So yeah. I envy you a LOT! I'm stuck in Newfoundland, where Jewel will probably never ever perform. Europe sure beats Newfoundland. Its sad. Oh well! When I have money I'll have to go to the states just to see her! Peace, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 09:36:28 EST From: GAMGRIFF@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Re:Nora and Jewel are similar Hey, I have read that Nora's record company never expected to sell more than 100,000 copy's. Jewel's first time out her company never expected to sell more than 20,000 copy's. Both of them went against the grain as to what was/is popular at the time. They both were major successes with just raw talent. I don't wonder at all why Jewel picked Nora. John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 08:56:46 -0600 From: "Rob Hanning" Subject: [EDA] NJC-- Norah Jones: Tracer, etc. I think Dave just came up with the title for Norah's next album! Guess I'll go ahead and chime in on this one, since I've got nothing else to do this morning while listening to Scott Simon ramble on. As to Norah specifically...her disc did nothing for me. I had read the early buzz on her in several magazines, but I finally broke down & picked up the disc when some guy named Steve that some of us talk to occasionally recommended it to me. Her voice was good, but I got no emotion from it... frankly, it put me to sleep. While that's not necessarily a bad thing, these days most of my listening is done in the car, so... I listened to it a few times, and none of the songs stuck in my head, so I sold it. I am definitely one of those people who favors singer/songwriters over those who sing other people's material. In my mind, it's all about the emotion that I seem to hear in songs people wrote for themselves; it just seems to be lacking somehow when they cover someone else's material. One disc I bought recently serves as a perfect example. Sinead O'Connor recently released a disc that is entirely made up of covers of traditional Irish songs. It's a great vehicle for the instrument of her voice, but it just didn't hit home. For me, it seems that Sinead will never get any better than The Lion and the Cobra, her first disc. The material on it seems closer to her heart to me, and her voice just drips with raw emotion from first track to last. That album came out roughly 15 years ago (!), and it's still brilliant every time I hear it. However...Patty Griffin seems to be able to transcend that boundary...at least for me. When I listen to her cover Springsteen's Stolen Car, or Tomorrow Night, which has been done by many artists... she makes them her own. If you can get your hands on a live version of her doing Tom Waits' Ruby's Arms, don't miss it. That song, and what Patty does with her voice in it, marks the only time I have ever had a chill run through my body, from fingers to toes, at a live show. I think it may have something to do with the fact that she herself is an admirer of the other versions of the songs. To her, they weren't just songs that some writer gave to her to sing in the studio. They were songs that she loved, and couldn't resist putting her own heart and soul into. Jewel sounds fabulous doing The Other Woman, and Too Darn Hot, and all the other cover songs she's done onstage over the years. Don't get me wrong there. But to hear her on the verge of tears while doing Violet Eyes, or Emily... it just doesn't get any better than that. So I think I'll stick w/ people who can write their own stuff. Oh, and...Dave... Your mother's a tracer!!! ;) Later, all. Rob - ----------------------------I go inside and all is silentand seems as empty as the inside of me - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V8 #78 **************************