From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V7 #295 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Thursday, June 27 2002 Volume 07 : Number 295 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V7 #___ gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] Avril etc [Fredsteve@aol.com] [EDA] wallingford/oakdale reviews..... [Pixi42@aol.com] Re: [EDA]NJC: Avril etc ["Rachel DeSchepper" ] [EDA] Upper Darby Show ["Shannon Mackie" ] Re: [EDA] NJC: Avril is not teeny-bopper rock [Amber ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:15:20 -0400 From: Fredsteve@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Avril etc I think most of you know my opinion on Avril Lavigne, and her peers.. so I won't get into that again. However, I do think Avril Lavigne, Michelle Branch, Vanessa Carlton and all those young artists represent something that's more and more prevelant in the music industry these days - the lack of artist *development*. This is something Jewel has discussed as one of the reasons for starting Soul City Cafe. One of the smartest things that Atlantic did when they signed Jewel, was letting her develop on her own terms, rather than turning her into carefully marketed gloss. She released a very minimally produced debut CD that was along the lines of what she had been doing musically prior to being signed... and went about touring heavily to build a fanbase organically. That's artist development. That's why she has managed to remain a serious commodity in the industry. Anyone can have a hit on the radio and have millions of teens flocking to by her album, but will it last? No. That's why that initial period was so important for Jewel. These young things are being signed and sent to a producer, where any talent they may have is being eclipsed by some slick sound. The record companies then release the debut single with a fanfare of press and promotion, creating huge amounts of hype and rocketing these artists into instant stardom... and it's unfortunate because I think it robs them of ever learning the value of a true work ethic in the industry. Jewel travelled the USA for a year and a half touring solidly, winning over crowds and learning how to perform (beyond what she learnt as a child), and I think that's part of the reason that Jewel will sustain herself (perhaps at a much smaller level) for years to come while these other people might just fade away. And yes, it's true, since Jewel broke big, Atlantic have attempted to turn her into slickly marketed gloss. Spirit was slickly marketed gloss, but I think she's been able to overcome that because she has firm roots as an artist.. I don't think This Way is slickly marketed gloss. I think it's a serious album by a serious artist and I think it's been promoted and recieved in a serious way. There was no fanfare, no major magazine covers. Jewel did the regular press rounds.. but I don't think they tried to sensationalize her or create any kind of an image in particular. It was well handled in terms of continuing to develop Jewel as a musician to be taken seriously.. but perhaps not well handled in terms of trying to create a "sensation". Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:17:49 EDT From: Pixi42@aol.com Subject: [EDA] wallingford/oakdale reviews..... If any of you guys see reviews of the wallingford show, please send them to the list! I want to print it out and put it in my scrapbook:) Heidi }:}i{:{ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:24:50 -0500 From: "Rachel DeSchepper" Subject: Re: [EDA]NJC: Avril etc Hey angels, I swore I wouldn't get into this argument-- usually I enter too late and the list shuts down shortly afterward. Anyway, all I have to say, and I'm sure many agree with me, is that Michelle Branch, Avril and Vanessa Carlton may be young, not as developed etc... but they have so much room to grow. And although they aren't as mature, thank goodness they aren't another boy band, Christina Aguilera, Britney or Jessica Simpson. Am I wrong?? ~Rachel~ >From: Fredsteve@aol.com >To: jewel@smoe.org >Subject: [EDA] Avril etc >Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:15:20 -0400 > >I think most of you know my opinion on Avril Lavigne, and her peers.. so I >won't get into that again. > >However, I do think Avril Lavigne, Michelle Branch, Vanessa Carlton and all >those young artists represent something that's more and more prevelant in >the music industry these days - the lack of artist *development*. This is >something Jewel has discussed as one of the reasons for starting Soul City >Cafe. > >One of the smartest things that Atlantic did when they signed Jewel, was >letting her develop on her own terms, rather than turning her into >carefully marketed gloss. She released a very minimally produced debut CD >that was along the lines of what she had been doing musically prior to >being signed... and went about touring heavily to build a fanbase >organically. That's artist development. That's why she has managed to >remain a serious commodity in the industry. Anyone can have a hit on the >radio and have millions of teens flocking to by her album, but will it >last? No. That's why that initial period was so important for Jewel. >These young things are being signed and sent to a producer, where any >talent they may have is being eclipsed by some slick sound. The record >companies then release the debut single with a fanfare of press and >promotion, creating huge amounts of hype and rocketing these artists into >instant stardom... and it's unfortunate because I think it robs ! >them of ever learning the value of a true work ethic in the industry. >Jewel travelled the USA for a year and a half touring solidly, winning over >crowds and learning how to perform (beyond what she learnt as a child), and >I think that's part of the reason that Jewel will sustain herself (perhaps >at a much smaller level) for years to come while these other people might >just fade away. > >And yes, it's true, since Jewel broke big, Atlantic have attempted to turn >her into slickly marketed gloss. Spirit was slickly marketed gloss, but I >think she's been able to overcome that because she has firm roots as an >artist.. I don't think This Way is slickly marketed gloss. I think it's a >serious album by a serious artist and I think it's been promoted and >recieved in a serious way. There was no fanfare, no major magazine covers. > Jewel did the regular press rounds.. but I don't think they tried to >sensationalize her or create any kind of an image in particular. It was >well handled in terms of continuing to develop Jewel as a musician to be >taken seriously.. but perhaps not well handled in terms of trying to create >a "sensation". > >Steve _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:39:21 -0400 From: "Shannon Mackie" Subject: [EDA] Upper Darby Show So I don't know who else was there, but I was the little short girl wearing the same outfit as Jewel but with little feathered angel wings. Anyways, she started off with "Won't Walk Away" and played mostly stuff from "This Way" including "Jesus Loves You", "Do You Want to Play", "This Way", "Everybody Needs Someone Sometime", and others. She then played "Hands" and a few other favourites. The lights then went down and it was just her and her guitar. It was time to make requests, and I was dead-set on having her play "Race Car Driver". It took a lot of screaming from my tiny little body, but she eventually heard me. "I wanna know what THIS section wants to hear." pointing to my section. I continued to scream out "Race Car Driver", and she said "So you guys wanna hear 'Race Car Driver'?" She only played half of it and decided she didn't know the lyrics and just stopped. Seriously. And I knew the rest of the song, too, damnit. The lights then were brought back up, and she continued to play more songs from her album. She started to totally rock out and played "Everybody Needs Someone Sometime" and had us all stand. She then played her skatting rendition of "Who Will Save Your Soul" with a long instrumental introduction where the bassist was "sexed-up" by a nearby fan. Jewel then ended her song by her typical competition with the nearby electric guitarist in where she sings certain notes certain ways and the guitarist copies her. She left for a short while, only to come back out and sing "Foolish Games" and "the Other Woman". I had an awesome time, and I would kill to see her again. Unfortunately, I did not get a camera or a recorder in time, so all that is left is memories. Unless, of course, someone else captured it ;-) Love, Haizee Angel xoxoxo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:58:28 -0500 From: Amber Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: Avril is not teeny-bopper rock Ok, first of all, if any music is fit to be called 'teenybopper' anything, then it's stuff like BSB, NSync, Britney, Christina, and the like. Avril isn't even close to that. Second, teenybopper usually is used to describe a certain type of fan. You can see teenyboppers at a BSB concert, an Avril concert, a Jewel concert, a Greenday concert, or any other concert. Teenyboppers are everywhere and listen to all sorts of music. Just because you may get a greater proportion of them at an Avril concert than, say, a Black Crowes concert is not because Avril is 'teenybopper rock' but more likely because she is closer to the age of said teenyboppers. And I'll add that I'm not that crazy about "Sk8r Boi" but I still like Avril's music. One song doesn't define an artist. I get sick of people hearing one or two songs and then going "oh they aren't any good, they don't deserve equal airplay"...yadda yadda yadda. Yeah, some of her lyrics are simple, but she's only 17...geez. A rare few 17 year olds are lyrically mature. And to tell the truth, there are a lot of older artists out there who have some pretty lame lyrics as well. They just cover them up well with really good music and vocals. Amber Dawn Reed singer/songwriter http://www.amberreed.com ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V7 #295 ***************************