From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V7 #293 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Wednesday, June 26 2002 Volume 07 : Number 293 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V7 #___ gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] Toronto Show - Song to request [Fredsteve@aol.com] [EDA] NJC: Got Wings? Shirts ["Sarah Dowling" ] [EDA] wallingford show [LAJEWEL10@aol.com] Re: [EDA] Toronto Show - Song to request ["Sandy" ] Re: [EDA] NJC: teeny-bopper rock [GnG849@aol.com] Re: [EDA] NJC: Avril is not teeny-bopper rock ["Stacey Hamilton" ] Re: [EDA] NJC: teeny-bopper rock? ["Stacey Hamilton" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:04:53 -0400 From: Fredsteve@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Toronto Show - Song to request Hey Guys I was so inspired by the idea that the Chicago EDAs had (having a mutual song to request)... that I thought maybe all the EDAs going to the Toronto show on Friday could do the same. My personal request would definitely be Nicotine Love. I have a friend coming to the show and we're 8th row, so I'm gonna get her to help me scream for it. If all the Toronto EDAs requested it too she might definitely be convinced to play it. I'm also bringing lyrics. However, I was thinking that if she can't remember it at all it would be good to have a backup - a song we all know she knows, but that's rare anyway. Considering she played Carnivore in Wallingford, without any request or anything, I think that's the perfect choice. So - what do you guys think - Nicotine Love, first request, and if she hears us and says she can't remember it, and doesn't want the lyrics, then we scream for Carnivore. Who's with me? Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:15:36 -0500 From: "Sarah Dowling" Subject: [EDA] NJC: Got Wings? Shirts Hey, guys! I know others have posted about this recently, so I apologize: but does anyone know the address to website with the EDA shirts? I'd love to buy one before I head off to the concert in late July... Thanks so much!Sarah - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:21:26 EDT From: LAJEWEL10@aol.com Subject: [EDA] wallingford show hey angels... last night's show rocked! :) i went to both boston and wallingford and i think wallingford was a little better! of course they both were good... but ya know... i think the solo part last night was the best! she seemed to be strumming more... like she played sometimes it be that way!!!!!!!! awesome! :) well i did sneak a camera in.... but didn't get to take like any pics! i took a couple without the flash.... then i thought i'd try to take one with the flash.. and right after i did some lady came over and took it away!!!!! ahhhhhh!! i was like... um? camera? i don't have one.... hehe.... but she demanded it!!! grrrr! the only good thing is that she gave it back after the show. :) oh well.... i took some pics at the boston show so maybe those will come out. we'll see. well i just wanted to say that the show rocked! even my friends liked it! i didn't see any other angels there tho.... everyone says they are going to wear their shirts... but i never see anyone!!!!! oh well... i was just wearing the tour shirt that i bought at the boston show. :) i really wish jewel was doing a solo show around here.... but no luck for all of us over here!!!! oh well.... maybe next time! ~laura~ ps: if anyone taped the boston or wallingford show.... i would love to get a copy!!! i have lots of angelfood to trade!!! please get back to me!! =) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:25:14 -0400 From: "Sandy" Subject: Re: [EDA] Toronto Show - Song to request Oh, I was so happy to see she played Carnivore, that is my favourite song! and I was kinda upset knowing she wouldn't be able to play it if requested because she couldn't strum, but it seems like she's strumming again, and I would love to hear it! So I'm with you on that, hopefully she'll remember the words to Nicotine Love *and* play Carnivore on her own :) I was just going to write the the list that we should request either Here When Gone or 1,000 Miles Away for picking songs when I read that :) Yay! This makes me even more excited to go the concert :) ~ Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: Fredsteve@aol.com To: jewel@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 3:04 PM Subject: [EDA] Toronto Show - Song to request Hey Guys I was so inspired by the idea that the Chicago EDAs had (having a mutual song to request)... that I thought maybe all the EDAs going to the Toronto show on Friday could do the same. My personal request would definitely be Nicotine Love. I have a friend coming to the show and we're 8th row, so I'm gonna get her to help me scream for it. If all the Toronto EDAs requested it too she might definitely be convinced to play it. I'm also bringing lyrics. However, I was thinking that if she can't remember it at all it would be good to have a backup - a song we all know she knows, but that's rare anyway. Considering she played Carnivore in Wallingford, without any request or anything, I think that's the perfect choice. So - what do you guys think - Nicotine Love, first request, and if she hears us and says she can't remember it, and doesn't want the lyrics, then we scream for Carnivore. Who's with me? Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:00:29 EDT From: LuckyStarr42@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] (EDA) Pittsburgh Show I'M GOING, I'M GOING. Sorry, I'm really really excited. My seats are section 3 Row B Seats 3&4. I'm little with long blonde hair I'll be wearing a purple EDA tank top and either a denim or khaki skirt, and I'll probably tie a blue ribbon an my wrist. If you spot me be sure to say hi cause I have never met any other EDA's before. Also what time are you planning on going? The ticket says 7:00 (I think) and I want to get their early, but not insainely early. Alright e-mail me back. xoxo ashley staggers the Pi Beta Phi angel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:17:54 -0400 From: "cymbaline" Subject: [EDA] NJC: teeny-bopper rock just my opinion... but that avril chick just invented her own genre. no... not teenybopper pop. but teenybopper rock. to see what all the hype was about, i downloaded some songs to decide of the CD was worth buying. Its not. It sucks. Don't waste youir money. get serious.... Sk8ter Boi??? yeah, thats real sophisticated songwriting there. oh and "marry me today"... okay! and everytime i hear Complicated on the radio, i cringe. why is everyone requesting it? If radio keeps playing crap like that, real music... GOOD music might never get played again. Radio as we used to know it, is dying... and its because of the teeny boppers. cymbie "Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and dance like no one is watching." - -Bono ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:32:59 EDT From: GnG849@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: teeny-bopper rock Complicated is the only song I've heard from her, but I think the teenybopper rock thing is funny. I thought we were finally getting away from the bubblegum pop stuff. I don't know, it's hanging in there. I live in NH, and Kiss 108 is starting to play really bad music like Nelly (sorry, I just don't like him. I HATE that thing he wears on his cheek.) I want more Ani Difranco, Jewel, and India Arie. Love Megan, the smiley angel =0) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 17:09:26 -0600 From: "Stacey Hamilton" Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: Avril is not teeny-bopper rock >It sucks. Don't waste your money. >If radio keeps playing crap like that, real music...GOOD music might >never >get played again. - ----------------- First, she doesn't have a song called "Marry Me Today", and I'd like to remind you that we were all told not to bash other artists. So please don't. If you choose to dislike a particular artist then that is fine, but you don't need to rant and rave about it on an e-mail list. Do that on your own time please. Talking positively about other artists (even IF some may not care for them) promotes the artistry of music and does offer those who MAY like that particular artist the opportunity to hear them and potentially to gain interest....as many EDA's have with Avril. Just because you can't relate to her or her music, doesn't mean millions of others can't or won't. Just like not everyone can or would care to relate to the music you like hearing. Doesn't make anyone better or worse than the other, just different tastes. I don't like green peas. You might. You may not like corn, I do. Just an example. I don't go around saying green peas suck though (even though they do) I hope you get the idea at least. And the reason so many people are requesting "Complicated" is because they LIKE it. Same reason people request any song. You seem to think because you don't like an artist, then no one has the right to, almost as if you're looking down at them in a way for that. So thank you for your not-so- kind words about her and in the future please refrain from the bashing. There's nothing productive about it. Thank you. ~Stacey~ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:14:00 -0400 From: "Scott" Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: Avril is not teeny-bopper rock Haha, to stay out of the big Is-she-cool-or-not? fight, I just have to say that I am EXTREMELY disappointed that Sk8er Boi is the next single. It's the weakest, cheesiest song on the album. I'd much rather see Losing Grip or Anything But Ordinary be the next single.. I'm still undecided on the chick.. I know it's carefully marketed gloss, but I still enjoy it. =) scott.evans [[mind is DISCONNECTED. but my heart is WIRED.]] AOL IM: sevans112 . Yahoo! IM: sevan112 . scott@tanweb.com PICKING UP | A Syd Fansite -- [[ http://outofhabit.org/syd ]] Neurotik. (my personal page) [ http://scott.outofhabit.org ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 17:17:41 -0600 From: "Stacey Hamilton" Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: teeny-bopper rock? Actually "Complicated" is not a good representation of how Avril's entire CD sounds. Anyone who has purchased it can verify this. It IS one of the more pop-sounding song on it....as Avril as admitted herself in fact. So someone shouldn't base the whole CD on that one song. Of the 13 tracks, I probably like that song about 6th or 7th best, and I'm a huge fan of hers too. What we do seem to be getting away from is the bubblegum pop, as you mentioned. But that isn't Avril. It is things like NSYNC, Backstreet Boys, LFO, even Britney somewhat. Times are changing. Of course not everyone is going to like everything. If the airwaves were filled with Ani, India, etc., sure many of you may enjoy that, but you also aren't the millions around the world either. There's always going to be a flipside to everything. Can't ever avoid that. What you CAN do though is simply change the channel. I don't have a problem doing that when bands or songs come on that I don't like....which could be ones some of you do like. I don't complain though, I just push the button to another channel. Freedom of choice. - ------ >Complicated is the only song I've heard from her, but I think the >teenybopper >rock thing is funny. I thought we were finally getting away from the >bubblegum pop stuff. I don't know, it's hanging in there. I live in NH, and >Kiss 108 is starting to play really bad music like Nelly (sorry, I just >don't >like him. I HATE that thing he wears on his cheek.) I want more Ani >Difranco, >Jewel, and India Arie. > >Love Megan, the smiley angel =0) _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:30:28 -0700 From: Gerrit Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: Avril is not teeny-bopper rock Stacey Hamilton wrote: > ....she doesn't have a song called "Marry Me Today".... "marry me today" is a phrase in one of her songs. it's not the name of a song. :P it was just an example of childish lyrics. i don't think any of us are here to promote the music industry as a whole. we're into different music artists and are here airing our diverse views. if everyone just agreed and posted positive fluff, it would all be boring and actually smell a lot like the recording companies. discussion, good or bad, actually promotes the music anyhow cuz more people are motivated to check out the music and decide for themselves whether they like it or not. Gerrit ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 17:30:32 -0600 From: "Stacey Hamilton" Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: Avril's next single Has this become official yet? I wasn't sure if it was or not but I've heard these rumors also. If so, then I'll have to agree with Scott on this. Skater Boi could be my least fave as well, or in the bottom 3 anyway. I wish they had chosen Losing Grip, Unwanted, Anything But Ordinary, or even something like Mobile. There are a good 5 or 6 tracks that could be great singles. I understand why they chose that one though, to appeal or target a certain group. Not sure if that's the best choice but there will be time for a 3rd and 4th single so that's fine. We'll just have to see how it pans out. There's alot more to Avril than many people are seeing through the marketing. The small town gospel singer with a voice that could overpower some of the best. People are focusing alot on the tie and her outfit and when songs like Skater Boi come out as a single (which is the *only* song of it's type on the entire CD), that probably won't help matters alot. If Arista wants to knock people off their feet, they should release "I'm With You" as the follow up to "Complicated". But it could be the 3rd single very easily. Her vocals in that song are outstanding. Sometimes people get too caught up in the marketing though, and lose sight of the true talent of the artist. Don't blame the artist for the plan their record company has. I mean, think about how some of us may view Jewel compared to someone who bought This Way as their first Jewel CD? Think about that. Ones who've never heard of Innerchange or Rare Angels or Jewelstock. Jewel is being marketed alot as well. But since we all know where she came from we don't tend to let that bother us quite as much, since we know what she as a person is capable of. Give people like Avril a chance. Don't let the marketing overcome the artist before they've even been given a fair shot to prove themselves. I think the best way to let them is to see them in concert - live. If they still suck to you, then fine. At least you tried. I give artists a chance. I see them perform without the production of the CD behind them, then I make my decision. ~Stacey~ - --------------- >Haha, to stay out of the big Is-she-cool-or-not? fight, I just have to say >that I am EXTREMELY disappointed that Sk8er Boi is the next single. It's >the >weakest, cheesiest song on the album. I'd much rather see Losing Grip or >Anything But Ordinary be the next single.. I'm still undecided on the >chick.. I know it's carefully marketed gloss, but I still enjoy it. =) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:32:02 -0700 From: Gerrit Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: Avril is not teeny-bopper rock Scott wrote: > I know it's carefully marketed gloss, but I still enjoy it. =) While I don't care for Avril, I can certainly agree with enjoying music regardless of it being "carefully marketed gloss". Hey, I'm a big fan of "Garbage", and if that's not "carefully marketed gloss", I don't know what is! Gerrit ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:26:35 -0700 From: Gerrit Subject: Re: [EDA] NJC: teeny-bopper rock cymbaline wrote: > just my opinion... but that avril chick just invented her own genre. no... not > teenybopper pop. but teenybopper rock. yeah, she proclaims to be "skate punk". Uhmm.. she's about as far from punk as you can get! > to see what all the hype was about, i downloaded some songs to decide of the > CD was worth buying. > Its not. It sucks. Don't waste youir money. what? like they actually buy cds anymore? ;P eheh > get serious.... Sk8ter Boi??? yeah, thats real sophisticated songwriting > there. oh and "marry me today"... okay! her lyrics are quite shallow and lame actually. all i did was listen to sound clips on amazon's site and it was quite obvious how cheesy her entire album is. even the very kind amazon review says "Let Go's lyrical shortcomings drag the teenager's musically impressive recording entrie into the realm of the typical". not that i can see how the album is musically impressive in the least.. but the lyrics are definitely the worst part. > and everytime i hear Complicated on the radio, i cringe. why is everyone > requesting it? If radio keeps playing crap like that, real music... GOOD music > might never get played again. yeah, fortunately the six radio stations i listen to in so cal don't play her or any of that crap. :) > Radio as we used to know it, is dying... and its because of the teeny > boppers. i think you need to move to CA to get away from those cheesy teeny bopper radio stations! ;P eheh Gerrit ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V7 #293 ***************************