From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V7 #173 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Tuesday, April 23 2002 Volume 07 : Number 173 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V7 #___ gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- [EDA] who cares about video ["jake skyles" ] [EDA] Re: Jewel Kilcher ["Trent Smith" ] [EDA] Fuck the J-team [SeanHooks@aol.com] [EDA] Re: Innerchange Tree ["Trent Smith" ] [EDA] NJC EDA shirt [Christy ] Re: [EDA] Innerchange Tree [Mike Connell ] [EDA] re:innerchange days vs. now!(Jewel is NOT "edgy") [SeanHooks@aol.co] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 01:20:29 -0400 From: "jake skyles" Subject: [EDA] who cares about video We need to stop worrying about how horrible the video is accept that Jewel made a bad video. What's really important is that we get Break Me on the radio. We all need to call our local radio stations everyday, c'mon at least every other day, don't be nervous. Also email a lot of stations. Go here and email a bunch of random stations. This makes it real easy, if we all take just 5 minuites to email about 10 stations everyday we can make a big difference. http://radiofinderizer.net/cgi-bin/radio.cgi?artistid=artist243 Thanks, Jake _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:03:36 -0700 From: "Trent Smith" Subject: [EDA] Re: Jewel Kilcher Mike Connell wrote (responding to me): > > and the FAQ looks remarkably un-updated from back in '96, > > Yeah...I be guilty on that one. The "welcome to" message hasn't had too > many updates this century and the "real" FAQ doesn't even really exist > anymore, just e-copies here and there and maybe even the ol' Jewel-FAQ > auto-responder we had set up in 1998 or so. > Yeah, the "welcome to" message points to the FAQ auto-responder, which is so far out-of-date it clearly predates even 'Spirit.' I daresay even no FAQ at all is preferable to that. > Ahem! Call me listdad, listpop or listdude if anything. :-) > OK then, listdad it is! > >1) Was the 4th Jewelstock tape ever released/treed? > > No. There was one major stipulation as to when it could be treed, that > being "once the new CD came out". The last time the topic came up between myself and the J-team I > could tell that JewelStock tape #4 will "never" be treed. I was afraid of that, and not really surprised. By the time I originally left the list Alan (MrBB) had already strongly implied that we shouldn't get our hopes up for ever seeing that tape (this was around the same time they announced that 'Goldfish Don't Bounce' wouldn't actually be coming out in April '97 -- and that it wouldn't be called 'Goldfish Don't Bounce' after all). It's still a shame, though, as, assuming the quality of the performances and recordings were up to the level of the Unplugged portion, these would've surely been the definitive versions of those songs (better, I suspect, than the actual GDB/FCS studio versions, produced IIRC by the guy responsible for Queensryche!?). Well, I suppose I'll keep my fingers crossed for that Jewel career-retrospective boxed set in 2035 or so.... > Believe it or not, I still have all the info/emails from the JewelStock > tree, including leaf requests etc. Everything. Heck, it's only 1's and 0's > on a metallic plate. That don't take up much room :-) > Remembering the, err, "highly structured" procedure at the time (does the phrase "Tape Nazi" ring any bells?) this doesn't surprise me in the least ;-) > Having said that, as the years roll on, nothing would surprise me as to > what the J-team and their record label might release from the archives. I > just hope I'm not in a rocking chair being spoon-fed when the day comes > that cleaned up CDs of Innerchange material is released. > Well, that's good news at least (not the rocking chair spoon-feeding part, but the other bit). Maybe my perspective is skewed because my interests lie primarily (heck, almost exclusively) in older and/or (much!) less popular artists, but I really think there's be a market for these recordings as an official release. Obviously it wouldn't be a big multi-platinum seller, and a lot of the more casual/less knowledgable fans (i.e. the kids) would surely be turned off, but the older music-fan audience (i.e. Jewel's original fan-base -- the kind of folks who had the foresight to make those tapes in the first place) would eat it up, and it might even help restore some of the legit-folksinger cred she blew via 'Hands' and all those magazine covers. But maybe I'm just living in fantasy land, and once you've sold 20 million records and become a pop-star commodity there really is no looking back.... As b/4, Trent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 03:28:06 EDT From: SeanHooks@aol.com Subject: [EDA] Fuck the J-team After reading Rowdy's(who I usually like) post about how talk of treeing old shows(that everybody who's been on the list for any amount of time has anyway) would be "pissing away what good is left of the EDAs" and how we should step ever-so-carefully lest we offend the all-powerful J-Team(insert evil movie villain music here) I felt moved to post again. It was also nice to see a post from that guy Trent, an old EDA from the good ol' days, talking about how despite the crappy commercial products Jewel has put out over the last four or five years, he is still intensely moved when he goes back and listens to the Innerchange Days tapes. He(logically) assumed that Jewelstock Tape 4 would be available by now and inquired, rightfully so, about it. Now, I know that our dutiful and committed list-manager Mike Connell is an upstanding guy who likes his relationship with the J-team. Myself, I don't really give a shit. I hear people defending "Jewel's people" by saying things like: "They don't owe us anything" and, what right do we have to complain, look at all the good things that comes out of a positive relationship with them. To which I say: Fuck that shit, Pabst Blue Ribbon!(if you get that reference you're cooler than most people on this freakin' list). Anyway, let's take these arguments one at a time. "They don't owe us anything." Hmm, let's see. We're fans. We're consumers. We're the people buying their(mostly shoddy) product. If it weren't for us Jewel would still be living in her van blowing record execs behind some coffeehouse in San Diego! They can afford to piss on the hardcore fanbase and treat us like shit because they know we're gonna buy their product regardless. Therefore they spend all their marketing efforts catering to the mainstream consumer. Hardcore fan. Mainstream consumer. It's a business practice that cuts across almost all entertainment industries and other businesses as well. Be it music, movies, sports, whatever. We're stupid, we like the product and they know we'll pay to see it, hear it, go to the game, buy the cable package, whatever. The hardcore fan gets screwed because big business knows they're not gonna lose us. Plain and simple. Argument number 2: If we complain, they'll stop giving us good stuff. A concert in Nashville and pre-ordering tickets online(which I gave them credit for). Alright, one semi-private concert. Woo hoo. Storytellers, OK, gotta give you that one, even though it was like 3 years ago now. Sessions at West 54th? Sucked anyway, who gives a shit. And the whole online pre-sale for this tour? Yes, I give them credit for making a nice system that benefits the hardcore fan BUT: 1) Even without it I would've gotten in and gotten pretty good tix. Jewel demand is not that high right now and if they went on sale through regular Ticketmaster, I would've done fine either on the phone or through a walk-up. And 2) Every artist under the sun does this. Mailing lists and websites regularly offer internet presales. Tori Amos, DMB, Pearl Jam, Bob Dylan, Weezer, and a hundred other bands and artists do it too, the J-team is hardly going out on a limb for us. So I say fuck 'em. If list manager Mike wasn't such a damn upstanding person and genuine nice guy, I'd hold out and hope that one day the J-team just pisses him off and he says "Fuck them, I'm treeing Jewelstock Tape 4." But alas, that won't happen and since nobody on the list was smart enough to sneak a recorder(audio or video) into the Bearsville Theater at the time(as far as I know, I'd love it if someone did) then it looks like we're shit out of luck on the Jewelstock front. As for treeing Innerchange Days. Hell yeah fuckin' tree it. Better yet, get someone with some techincal acumen to transfer it to CDR and tree it on CD! Tree Jewelstock 1-3 on CD too!! Let's get with the program people. Fans aren't supposed to like their artists' "people," it's not supposed to be a happy loving relationship. It's an authority versus oppressor situation. And, to quote some guy named King, "Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed." (Did he just equate not getting a Jewelstock 4 Tape to racial oppression and the Civil Rights Movement? Yes he did! As my encore I'm gonna call the J-team Nazis and refer to "Mr. BB" as Hitler.) Anyway, I'm done with my rant. Hopefully you found amusement amidst the verbal effluvia. And if you have some rare, relatively uncirculated bootlegs(JS 4, Jewel at Neil Young's house, the version of New Wild West with Flea and Lanois, whatever) or know someone who does, email me! For the love of god tell me where I can obtain these items. And don't get all pissy and moany. This is all half tongue in cheek. OK, half is serious too. But only half. Don't get your collective panties in a bunch, I'm just venting, I'm bored. Later, Sean Hooks ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 01:01:39 -0700 From: "Trent Smith" Subject: [EDA] Re: Innerchange Tree rawhite78@aol.com wrote: > She and her people do not owe us anything, and if we want to have anything > like Nashbash, jewel stock, future tape trees, then we all need to just back > away from the Jstock four tape. There will never be another official tree, > and going forth with a bootleg tree on this list will effectively destroy our > battered relations with the J-Team, get us under intense scrutiny of by the > music nazi police, and pretty much flush this list down the toilet.( The > water is already starting to swirl) > Maybe I'm out of line here, seeing as how I've been out of the loop for ~5 years, but I don't really buy this argument. This list isn't an officially-sanctioned Jewel Fan Forum -- it's an independent fan/discussion group. As long as no laws are being broken, we shouldn't have to censor our discussions for fear of upsetting Jewel's 'people.' None of those early tape-trees (everything up to JewelStock) were officially sanctioned -- they were recorded and produced and distributed by devoted fans as labors of love, no one ever made a cent off of any of them, and their effect on building Jewel's initial fan-base and raising her profile was immeasurably positive. I'd be almost willing to guarantee she never lost a sale of PoY from someone hearing/owning 'Rare Angels' or 'Innerchange Days,' and in fact the exact reverse is almost certainly true (I know several folks who ran out and bought PoY after hearing some of my tapes -- of course they were disappointed to realize that 'Nikos' and 'Race Car Driver' and 'Chime Bells' and 'Sometimes it be That Way' and so on weren't on it, but by that time Jewel had already gotten her royalty and it was too late). So, if Jewel and her 'people' really want to sever their relationship with this list and/or prosecute people for continuing to re-distribute *existing* *home-made* concert recordings *for free* I suppose that's their prerogative, but I daresay doing so would reflect much more poorly on them than it would on us. And, hey, if they REALLY want to make money and stop fan distribution of these recordings, there's a very easy solution -- release them officially. I wouldn't hesitate for a second to buy an Official CD release of the Innerchange Recordings or the JewelStock shows, and I'm one of that statistically tiny group that already has both of them. Once again, maybe I'm out of line and/or misreading the present situation, but that's my take. Please don't hate me. Trent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 03:07:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Christy Subject: [EDA] NJC EDA shirt I got my EDA shirt in the mail today. A large, baby doll tee. It is cute, and I thank Elizabeth for the design though I didn't agree with it... :p It is indeed cute, and although no one will see me wearing it in the States I will enjoy my small fashion statement in Okinawa... :) Christy the Tattoed angel ===== "Lend your voices only to sounds of freedom." -- Jewel Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:04:56 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: [EDA] Innerchange Tree At 10:02 PM 4/22/02, Allan Ray wrote: >Seems to me, if someone had some low generation copies of these tapes, >they could do a cd transfer, and admisister a tree. Or at least just >provide the seed, and have someone else deal with it. The key being it'd >need to be away from this list somehow, since this list seems to be pretty >tied up with these label people. No, such an item COULD be treed on the list, no question. The examples I outlayed yesterday in my post were particular examples that ended those particular projects I mentioned. The individual person that WAS cleaning up the Innerchange Days tapes for a new tree back then chose to stop for the reasons I outlayed, but it does not mean someone else cannot take a crack at it. If they want to and do, all the more power to them. I'd like to see it. Mike :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:06:52 EDT From: SeanHooks@aol.com Subject: [EDA] re:innerchange days vs. now!(Jewel is NOT "edgy") jewel16rox@hotmail.com wrote: "I was listening to Daddy She's a Goddess... Anyway... it really offends me how some of you are talking about Jewel losing her 'edge'. She's still got it!!! I mean.. (no offence to anyone) but at least she's not like mariah carey. She used to have a very strong voice... but now its all breathy. Jewel still has her strong and powerful voice and she should all be proud of her." To which I reply. Aren't you missing your own point? If the best thing you can say about Jewel is that she's not like Mariah Carey, than she truly has lost her edge. Whether or not she still has a strong voice, "Daddy She's a Goddess" is way "edgier" than anything on Jewel's last two albums in terms of lyrics and raw folky storytelling. Now if she mentions the word "abortion" in a song that's considered dark and edgy. Compare a song like "Jesus Love You," which is mild(as opposed to scathing) satire at best and completely tame(despite being a pretty good song), to half on the stuff on Innerchange Days and it flat out pales in comparison. Jewel's whole motif now is very non-adult(as is this list, at Jewelstock the average age was early and mid 20s and a lot of folkd older than that, now it's an awful lot of young sycophant cheerleader-teens), very tame, and very non-edgy. She's gone from addressing real issues and non-compromising folk songs and risque explitive-filled stories at concerts to having M2M open for her at what will prob'ly be carbon copy setlists containing mostly sappy love songs played before early teens and their soccer moms who drove them to the show in their Ford Explorers and Lincoln Navigators. Now, you want to say Jewel still has a lot of good qualities, fine. But don't claim that she's edgy. Right now she's as docile, undangerous and non-edgy as ever. Later, Sean Hooks ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V7 #173 ***************************