From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V7 #140 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Saturday, April 6 2002 Volume 07 : Number 140 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe from this digest, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the BODY of the email * . * For the latest news on what Jewel is up to, go to * the OFFICIAL Jewel web site at http://www.jeweljk.com * and click on "calendar" * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V7 #___ gives fellow list readers * no clue as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [EDA] Top Ten things you didn't know ... M2M ["elchubbo" ] Re: [EDA] Top Ten things you didn't know ... M2M ["elchubbo" ] RE: [EDA] RE: Britney and co-writing songs ["Crystal" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 12:29:36 -0500 From: "elchubbo" Subject: Re: [EDA] Top Ten things you didn't know ... M2M DID I say I DONT think opera signers are hot....NOO.....I said they dont use their T & A to sell their music!! steve lostanddelirious - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 3:08 AM Subject: Re: [EDA] Top Ten things you didn't know ... M2M > <<> 3. Your opera comment may be true...But at least the written stuff that > > OPERA singers choose to perform is of a CLASSIC nature...Most of which is > > original and has won many awards...AND THEY DONT USE THEIR SEXUALITY TO > > SELL > > THEIR MUSIC...>> > > > > Are you saying you don't think opera singers are hot? > > > ~~Richard > The Angel in Devils Shoes > http://cixelsyd.cjb.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 12:30:38 -0500 From: "elchubbo" Subject: Re: [EDA] fans and artists I WAS TALKING ABOUT ARTISTS IN THE MUSICAL SENSE...AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM AND PERFORMERS..Now your just being picky... steve lostanddelirious - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry G." To: "Stacey Hamilton" ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 2:59 AM Subject: Re: [EDA] fans and artists > Well, Michelangelo sure had a lot of male fans. > > Stacey Hamilton wrote: > > > > >EG why do u think BRITNEY has so many male fans!!! > > ------------ > > > > Why do you think JEWEL has so many male fans???!!! HELLO! > > > > >She is a performer..ARTISTS play instruments or write their > > >own music > > --------- > > > > I guess Da Vinci and Michaelangelo weren't artists then? LOL > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 12:32:52 -0500 From: "elchubbo" Subject: Re: [EDA] Top Ten things you didn't know ... M2M BRITNEY LIPSYNCS...IVE SEEN HER LIVE SHE IS NOT SINGING!!!! If you can replicate EXACTLY what u did on the record YOU ARE LIP SYNCHING!!!! And its pretty much been proven she does anyways steve lostanddelirious - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stacey Hamilton" To: Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 2:52 AM Subject: Re: [EDA] Top Ten things you didn't know ... M2M > Her instrument is her voice, and she "plays" that quite well. AND, she has > played guitar before too. > > > >From: "elchubbo" > >To: "JEWEL EDA" > >Subject: Re: [EDA] Top Ten things you didn't know ... M2M > >Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 23:41:01 -0500 > > > >Whether its ONE SONG or FIVE SONGS...its still CO-writing...and she still > >doesnt play her own instrument...and my opinin onhow she SELLS her music is > >not changed > > > >steve > > > >lostanddelirious > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Shachar Segal" > >To: "elchubbo" > >Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 2:49 PM > >Subject: Re: [EDA] Top Ten things you didn't know ... M2M > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "elchubbo" > > > To: "JEWEL EDA" > > > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:54 AM > > > Subject: Re: [EDA] Top Ten things you didn't know ... M2M > > > > > > > > > > care. Britney is a skank and she doesnt write her own music so thats > >why > > > I > > > > hate her... She uses her sexuality to sell her music and thats it...NO > > > > TALENT... > > > > > > 9 out of 10 female singers don't write their own music and 10 out of 10 > >use > > > their sexuality to sell their music.Jewel also *expresses* her sexuality > >in > > > her music.If you hated her badly enough you might say she *uses* her > > > sexuality to sell her music.Our sexuality is not something like a > >lipstick > > > we smear on or a shirt we put on.It's an unseparable part of us which we > > > will express whether we intend it or not. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 12:34:59 -0500 From: "elchubbo" Subject: Re: Re: [EDA] Top Ten things you didn't know ... M2M What...Now we are getting into a verbal name calling match...NOW WHOS IGNORANT...ALL I SAID FROM THE BEGINNING WAS I WAS STATING MY OPINON...and truthfully if u want to believe that BRITNEY is a gifted sonfwriter and a talented musician...YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS BEING TOTALLY IGNORANT!!! You are a POP marketing executives wet dream...I bet you believe everything you hear and read now dont you... Steve Lostandelirious - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stacey Hamilton" To: Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 2:51 AM Subject: Re: Re: [EDA] Top Ten things you didn't know ... M2M > Strike Two. You're really quite ignorant. > > > >From: "elchubbo" > >To: "JEWEL EDA" > >Subject: Re: Re: [EDA] Top Ten things you didn't know ... M2M > >Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 23:34:45 -0500 > > > >OH I STAND CORRECTED...I checked and she CO-WROTE one song...OMG co-wrote > >one song...Well lets all stand up and cheer...My opinion of her stays the > >same...And if u dont like it too bad its my opinion...I didnt say you > >couldnt have your own... > > > >steve > > > >lostanddelirious > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Pablo" > >To: ; > >Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:58 PM > >Subject: RE: Re: [EDA] Top Ten things you didn't know ... M2M > > > > > > > *CLAP* *CLAP* *CLAP* *CLAP* *CLAP* (the cheering of the crowd) ... > > > AAAAAAHH!! > > > > > > Pablo Pablito Pablote > > > the angel ;P of the scrambled name ;) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Elizabeth Nguyen > > > To: ; jewel eda > > > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:43 PM > > > Subject: Re: Re: [EDA] Top Ten things you didn't know ... M2M > > > > > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > > Why do you sound so angry? I suppose it's just > > > > because tones don't come out correctly over the > > > > internet. I didn't want to enter this > > > > conversation, but I just had to make a > > > > correction. How are you POSITIVE Britney didn't > > > > write any of the songs?! I KNOW for a fact she > > > > DID. I remember allt he hype there was for this > > > > album because everyone wanted to hear the songs > > > > Britney wrote on her _Britney_ album. This is > > > > from Britneyspears.com. You may think it's not > > > > reliable, but I'm just using it for a > > > > reference. > > > > -------------------- > > > > "I wanted to make [Britney] nastier and funkier" > > > > she told MTV in October. Mission accomplished. > > > > Not only is she not afraid to curse on this > > > > album, Britney also explores new musical styles, > > > > including funk, soul, and rock. Not to mention > > > > songwriting  five of the songs are co-written > > > > by Britney herself." > > > > --------------------- > > > > Okay, in addition, she wrote one or two songs in > > > > her _Ooops ..._ album .. the ending song, I > > > > think it's called "Dear Diary" or something and > > > > something about a mirror. Did, you do any > > > > research? I'm not saying I'm a big full-blown > > > > bubblegum pop music fan, but they really get so > > > > much crap from people who just assume things. > > > > NSYNC also wrote most, I believe ALL, of their > > > > new songs on their new album. In the one > > > > before, they got to write a few. You know, it's > > > > like O-Town also. It's not the artists' choice > > > > that they don't get to write their own music. > > > > It's tough out there, it's not easy to get > > > > signed and then demand to be able to sing what > > > > you want to sing. You sing what they want you > > > > to sing, like Tom Hanks' Mr. White in _That > > > > Thing You Do_. "You sing what I tell you to > > > > sing because that is what it says in the > > > > contract you signed." Only when they get a bit > > > > of power out there can they start controlling > > > > thier stuff. Granted people like Jewel, Tori > > > > Amos, and many many other singers DO get to do > > > > thier own material, but there are also many many > > > > artists who don't. I mean, the likes of Michael > > > > Jackson and Madonna didn't start out singing > > > > their own crap. People need to give these > > > > upcoming young artists more slack. Even if you > > > > don't like their music, realize they're just > > > > doing their thing. I would LOVE to have a > > > > singing voice like any of those singers. I LOVE > > > > MUSIC, so any musical talent is great. They > > > > just want to do what they love .. give them a > > > > break. They have to go through a lot of crap > > > > and they work hard too. They exercise and > > > > practice almost everyday too. I mean, think > > > > about it .. do actors perform their own material > > > > all the time? They don't write their own stuff > > > > all the time. How come no one says anything > > > > about that? Great classical music, like opera, > > > > doesn't require one to be able to write their > > > > own operas. In fact, most opera singers perform > > > > classical operas written long long ago. > > > > > > > > sigh .. sorry, for this incredibly long spiel, > > > > but I just think people just need to lay off > > > > some artists. Even if you don't like their > > > > music, at least respect them for do their thing > > > > and making a living do what they love. I mean, > > > > you can't tell me that Britney or NSync don't > > > > love singing. They've been doing it since they > > > > were little. Why would someone sing since they > > > > were little if they didn't like it? > > > > > > > > Elizabeth, the tennis-ball-whacking angel > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus conscience does make > > > > cowards of us all; > > > > And thus the native hue of > > > > resolution > > > > Is sicklied o'er with the > > > > pale cast of thought > > > > - > > > > Shakespeare, "Hamlet" > > > > Perfect for the Jewel Kilcher Fan! Get your Free E-mail at > > > http://jewel.zzn.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at > > > http://www.zzn.com. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 12:36:46 -0500 From: "elchubbo" Subject: Re: [EDA] njc Britney Spears (Enough Already) The reason she will never be like MADONNA is because MADONNA is talented and worked her butt off to get where she did...She used her sexuality to sell music but at least she BLATANTLY came and out and said she was doin it...and AT LEAST she waited till she was legal enough to vote to do it..LOL steve lost and delirious - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 1:35 AM Subject: Re: [EDA] njc Britney Spears (Enough Already) > In a message dated 04/06/2002 1:08:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, > froggie0424@yahoo.com writes: > > > > I know we are encouraged to talk about other artists, > > to a point, on this list, but this Britney Spears > > thing needs to stop. Some people like her and think > > she's talented, other's think she's a skanky, > > untalented, twit. I tend to lean towards the latter, > > but I'm sick of getting huge posts in the digest about > > both sides... > > > Oh my god thank you for saying something!!! > > I feel the exact same way! I hate how everyone has been comparing her to > Madonna. There is NO comparision. Nobody will EVER be as good as Madonna is. > She tries too hard to be like her, and it just doesn't work. > -katie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 13:22:25 EST From: DixieJewelAngel@aol.com Subject: Re: [EDA] Top Ten things you didn't know ... M2M britney lip singing...i thought she said she does lip sing whenever she is dancing, but when she is just sitting down its all her...maybe im wrong... ~The *Dixie* Angel~ ~*~mIcHeLe mAnDeViLLe~*~ Listen to Jewel Break Me Here http://www2.fanscape.com/jewel/emails/breakmefriend.html Don't ever give away what you can't take back-Jewel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 13:35:07 -0500 From: Fairy Angel Subject: Re: [EDA] Top Ten things you didn't know ... M2M Yeah, I think that's right. ~ Fairy Angel ~ On Sat, 6 Apr 2002 13:22:25 EST DixieJewelAngel@aol.com writes: > britney lip singing...i thought she said she does lip sing whenever > she is > dancing, but when she is just sitting down its all her...maybe im > wrong... > > ~The *Dixie* Angel~ > ~*~mIcHeLe mAnDeViLLe~*~ > Listen to Jewel Break Me Here > http://www2.fanscape.com/jewel/emails/breakmefriend.html > > Don't ever give away what you can't take back-Jewel > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 14:32:41 -0500 From: "jake skyles" Subject: [EDA] grading jewels cds I'll give it a shot as well THIS WAY: standing still- A jesus loves you- B+ everybody needs someone sometime- C break me- A do you want to play-D till we run out of road-B+ serve the ego-A this way-B cleveland-A+ i wont walk away- A love me just leave me alone- B the new wild west-A+++++ grey matter-B ( I like the version where she doesn't mess up all the words) sometimes it be that way-B (I like the version with all the verses) SPIRIT: deep water- A whats simple is true-D hands-B+ kiss the flame-B down so long-A (The innerchange version gets an A+++++) innocence maintained- A jupiter-B (the remix gets an A+) fat boy-C enter from the east- B barcelona-A life uncommon-B do you-A+ absence of fear-A+ I agree tha POY is a little difficult to rate. But my three favorite are: Foolish Games Little Sister I'm Sensitive _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:39:57 -0800 From: "Crystal" Subject: RE: [EDA] RE: Britney and co-writing songs Hey guys, Remember what happened last time we had a huge argument on the list? IT WAS SHUT DOWN BECAUSE WE KEEP FIGHTING!!!!! SO IF YOU WANT TO CUT ALL OF US OFF BECAUSE OF FUCKING BRITNEY SPEARS KEEP IT UP! ITS WORKING! Crystal ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 15:41:25 -0500 From: "Sandy" Subject: [EDA] The Artist/Vocalist debacle... I just have something very quick to say about this, that I know I've said before on the list but... What in the *world* is wrong with someone singing another person's music? Why does everyone have to rip on someone for not writing their own music? I can totally understand having *more respect* for someone who does indeed write and perform by themselves, but why does that automatically mean you have to have a lack of respect for those that sing someone else's music? Personally, yes, most if not all of the music I listen to on a regular basis is written by the artists themselves, but I'm not going to rip into someone else because they don't have the creative capability to write good music, yet have a pleasant/nice/amazing/whatever singing voice. There is absolutly nothing wrong with singers and songwriters collaborating... if someone can write this amazing song, but it sounds as if they threw a monkey into a burning room when they sing, why should they not have the opportunity to have their song made into a real song? and why should someone with a nice voice not have the opportunity to sing that song? I personally, am not a huge Britney fan, but not because she doesn't write her own music - it's just not my cup of tea. There is absolutely nothing wrong with her singing music written by someone else, and it is in no way a reason to rip on her....I'm sure you can find many more valid reasons to use.... but it's being rather close-minded if you don't take the time to actually think about it before judging someone like that. I have an awful voice, but I love my guitar, and I love writing...I'd hate to think that if I was actually good at it, and wanted to hear someone else sing my song, that they should have to feel as though they are less of a person just because they aren't creative-oriented. ~ Sandy ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V7 #140 ***************************